1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,198 [MUSIC] 2 00:00:02,198 --> 00:00:03,164 Good evening. 3 00:00:03,164 --> 00:00:07,027 Apologies that we're a few minutes late in starting, 4 00:00:07,027 --> 00:00:09,836 but we're just letting people come in, 5 00:00:09,836 --> 00:00:15,453 cuz great knowledge that has been a slight issue with the entry gate out there. 6 00:00:15,453 --> 00:00:17,736 So I'm Sarah Stevenson Hunter. 7 00:00:17,736 --> 00:00:22,916 I'm the new staff disability advisor in the equality and diverse unit. 8 00:00:22,916 --> 00:00:26,163 I've been here three months, so I'm very new. 9 00:00:26,163 --> 00:00:32,831 This is my first time in and it's good to be here, good to see what things are like. 10 00:00:32,831 --> 00:00:37,133 It's really exciting this evening, in terms of our lecture, 11 00:00:37,133 --> 00:00:38,888 in terms of our speakers. 12 00:00:38,888 --> 00:00:43,890 And the subject matter, and I'm sure we are gonna have a great evening 13 00:00:43,890 --> 00:00:48,807 being challenged, and just encouraged to think about lots of issues. 14 00:00:48,807 --> 00:00:53,721 And the irony, but not the irony, but the good thing about this evening, 15 00:00:53,721 --> 00:00:56,003 in the spirit of true inclusion. 16 00:00:56,003 --> 00:01:01,179 You can tell the blind woman who's going to tell you about how to get out, 17 00:01:01,179 --> 00:01:03,022 and where the toilets are. 18 00:01:03,022 --> 00:01:05,657 >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] so from memory, 19 00:01:05,657 --> 00:01:08,818 the accessible toilet should be over there. 20 00:01:08,818 --> 00:01:13,381 And basically, the other toilets are back out the way you came in. 21 00:01:13,381 --> 00:01:19,087 We're not scheduled to have any sort of fire alarm or evacuation this evening. 22 00:01:19,087 --> 00:01:23,825 So if something does happen, I believe it's back up the way we came, 23 00:01:23,825 --> 00:01:26,283 I honestly don't know from there. 24 00:01:26,283 --> 00:01:28,565 But obviously, if it does happen, 25 00:01:28,565 --> 00:01:32,867 then we'll get ourselves out safely, just don't follow me. 26 00:01:32,867 --> 00:01:36,377 >> [LAUGH] >> This is my job to sorta welcome you all 27 00:01:36,377 --> 00:01:41,644 here this evening, and then I'm gonna pass over to Dr. Rebecca Surender, 28 00:01:41,644 --> 00:01:47,440 who is our university advocate and Pro Vice Chancellor for equality, diversity. 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,179 She's going to just speak for a few minutes, and then our speakers, 30 00:01:52,179 --> 00:01:54,285 introduce them, so over to you. 31 00:01:54,285 --> 00:01:57,887 >> [APPLAUSE] >> Good evening everyone, and welcome. 32 00:01:57,887 --> 00:02:02,976 I'd like to add my welcome to Sarah's, great to see so many people here. 33 00:02:02,976 --> 00:02:08,947 As Sarah's just told you, I'm Rebecca Surender, I'm the University Advocate and 34 00:02:08,947 --> 00:02:12,460 Pro Vice Chancellor for Equality and Diversity. 35 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:17,815 And I'm delighted to have been asked by Sarah, and the organizers tonight 36 00:02:17,815 --> 00:02:22,906 to say a few words of introduction, and to introduce our guest speakers. 37 00:02:22,906 --> 00:02:26,244 This annual lecture, a collaboration between 38 00:02:26,244 --> 00:02:31,601 the Staff Disability Advisory Group, and the equality and diversity unit. 39 00:02:31,601 --> 00:02:37,222 Is, of course, just one endeavor within the university's overall commitment 40 00:02:37,222 --> 00:02:42,315 to fostering an inclusive and supportive culture for all its members. 41 00:02:42,315 --> 00:02:47,670 But this lecture is always a really exciting event in the annual calendar. 42 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:51,798 And it's a significant and deliberate recognition and 43 00:02:51,798 --> 00:02:56,980 celebration of the importance of colleagues living with a disability, 44 00:02:56,980 --> 00:03:00,581 or long-term health condition in our community. 45 00:03:00,581 --> 00:03:07,343 I'd like to thank College for providing the venue for this evening's lecture, 46 00:03:07,343 --> 00:03:12,261 and most importantly, to thank the Staff Disability Advisory Group. 47 00:03:12,261 --> 00:03:16,563 And in particular, its chair, Catherine Walters not just for 48 00:03:16,563 --> 00:03:21,041 working with the EDU and organizing tonight's event, but for 49 00:03:21,041 --> 00:03:25,257 all their dedication and commitment throughout the year. 50 00:03:25,257 --> 00:03:27,712 All of course, on top of the day jobs. 51 00:03:27,712 --> 00:03:31,837 I and my colleagues in the EDU are extremely grateful for 52 00:03:31,837 --> 00:03:37,281 this incredible work going on across the institution, all through the year, 53 00:03:37,281 --> 00:03:41,580 and to everyone who gives up their time in this way, thank you. 54 00:03:41,580 --> 00:03:44,742 >> [APPLAUSE] >> The focus of this evening's 55 00:03:44,742 --> 00:03:49,396 lecture is all about the complexity in our multiple identities. 56 00:03:49,396 --> 00:03:53,963 And the issues faced by those with intersectional identities, 57 00:03:53,963 --> 00:03:58,881 specifically those who belong within more than one equality group. 58 00:03:58,881 --> 00:04:04,852 Paradoxically, however, some of the work that we undertake to promote equality and 59 00:04:04,852 --> 00:04:10,563 diversity has often been organized around single defining characteristics, 60 00:04:10,563 --> 00:04:14,163 such as age, sexual identity, gender, ethnicity, etc. 61 00:04:14,163 --> 00:04:18,114 And our work through the various charter mark schemes, 62 00:04:18,114 --> 00:04:21,888 such as the Athena SWAN, or the Race Equality Charter, 63 00:04:21,888 --> 00:04:25,840 or the Stonewall index can sometimes accentuate this. 64 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:30,226 We know, however, that none of us can be given a single label, and 65 00:04:30,226 --> 00:04:33,650 that any single label will be reductionist, and 66 00:04:33,650 --> 00:04:38,568 will inevitably ignore many other vital aspects of our experience. 67 00:04:38,568 --> 00:04:43,748 So it's great to have this particular lecture at this particular time. 68 00:04:43,748 --> 00:04:48,753 As someone who's been a qualitative researcher in my academic work, 69 00:04:48,753 --> 00:04:53,580 I'm very aware that one of the most effective and powerful ways to 70 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:58,233 learn about other people's lives is to listen to their stories. 71 00:04:58,233 --> 00:05:03,502 We are extremely fortunate, therefore, to have two speakers this evening. 72 00:05:03,502 --> 00:05:09,298 Jay Abdullahi and Kym Oliver, who are passionate about disability equality, but 73 00:05:09,298 --> 00:05:15,270 are also here to share their individual approaches to their multiple identities. 74 00:05:15,270 --> 00:05:20,100 And to help us better understand what living with intersectional 75 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:23,612 identities means in a practical, every day sense. 76 00:05:23,612 --> 00:05:27,739 Jay and Kym have branded themselves the Triple Cripples. 77 00:05:27,739 --> 00:05:30,457 And I just want to say that we of course 78 00:05:30,457 --> 00:05:34,847 recognize that the use of the term cripple is controversial. 79 00:05:34,847 --> 00:05:39,675 And in fact, I've received a couple of emails denoting surprise or 80 00:05:39,675 --> 00:05:41,607 disapproval of this title. 81 00:05:41,607 --> 00:05:46,081 However, I'm sure this will not come as a surprise to Jay or Kym. 82 00:05:46,081 --> 00:05:50,384 They have deliberately chosen to label themselves as such. 83 00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:55,212 And they are determined to reclaim the word cripple in their fight 84 00:05:55,212 --> 00:05:58,639 against layers of disability discrimination. 85 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:02,500 I should just tell you a little bit about our speakers. 86 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:07,679 Jay is a 29 year old Nigerian Londoner with polio and scoliosis, sorry. 87 00:06:07,679 --> 00:06:10,310 And Kym is a 32 year old African and 88 00:06:10,310 --> 00:06:14,964 Caribbean woman who lives in London, and has multiple sclerosis. 89 00:06:14,964 --> 00:06:19,266 Through their work, they aim to increase the visibility and 90 00:06:19,266 --> 00:06:22,603 highlight the narratives of women, femmes, and 91 00:06:22,603 --> 00:06:26,644 non-binary people of color living with disabilities. 92 00:06:26,644 --> 00:06:31,912 A recent article in The Metro in December 2018 states, Abdullahi and 93 00:06:31,912 --> 00:06:36,918 Oliver call themselves the Triple Cripples as black disabled women. 94 00:06:36,918 --> 00:06:41,043 They face three levels of oppression on a daily basis, and 95 00:06:41,043 --> 00:06:44,115 they say stories like this are rarely told. 96 00:06:44,115 --> 00:06:49,648 The data shows that people from white ethnic backgrounds with impairments 97 00:06:49,648 --> 00:06:54,915 have the lowest number of life areas restricted of all the ethnic groups. 98 00:06:54,915 --> 00:07:00,184 It shows a disparity between how people of color experience disability, 99 00:07:00,184 --> 00:07:03,346 in comparison to their white counterparts. 100 00:07:03,346 --> 00:07:05,891 The article then quotes Jay and Kim. 101 00:07:05,891 --> 00:07:09,577 Stats and figures aside, they say, we are both living 102 00:07:09,577 --> 00:07:14,495 life as disabled women of color, specifically disabled black women. 103 00:07:14,495 --> 00:07:18,622 Our lived experiences are valid, regardless of the stats. 104 00:07:18,622 --> 00:07:22,571 Jay and Kim, many thanks for joining us this evening, and 105 00:07:22,571 --> 00:07:28,454 we look forward to a really stimulating and thought provoking lecture, thank you. 106 00:07:28,454 --> 00:07:30,211 >> [APPLAUSE] >> Thank you. 107 00:07:30,211 --> 00:07:32,846 >> Yeah, you go first. 108 00:07:32,846 --> 00:07:36,448 [INAUDIBLE] I don't know [INAUDIBLE] okay. 109 00:07:36,448 --> 00:07:37,678 >> Right, wonderful. 110 00:07:37,678 --> 00:07:41,539 Thank you all so much for joining us here this evening. 111 00:07:41,539 --> 00:07:47,243 First of all, we'd like to say Eid Mubarak to the Muslim members of the audience. 112 00:07:47,243 --> 00:07:52,156 Today is, of course, the end of Ramadan, so always a great place to start. 113 00:07:52,156 --> 00:07:52,682 Yes, yes. 114 00:07:52,682 --> 00:07:55,140 >> Did everyone hear our theme music? 115 00:07:55,140 --> 00:07:59,349 I just wanna give a shout out to the person who made it for us. 116 00:07:59,349 --> 00:08:01,719 K15, a wonderful friend of mine, 117 00:08:01,719 --> 00:08:07,426 who actually has been very supportive of this project from the very beginning. 118 00:08:07,426 --> 00:08:09,445 So I'll introduce us again, 119 00:08:09,445 --> 00:08:13,658 because he did such an amazing job, but the order [LAUGH]. 120 00:08:13,658 --> 00:08:18,926 So I'm Kym, I described myself as an unapologetically black African and 121 00:08:18,926 --> 00:08:23,229 Caribbean, British, 6'1 tall fat woman with a disability, 122 00:08:23,229 --> 00:08:26,917 with a wheelchair care case of multiple sclerosis. 123 00:08:26,917 --> 00:08:27,706 This is Jay. 124 00:08:27,706 --> 00:08:29,726 >> I am [FOREIGN] Abdullahi. 125 00:08:29,726 --> 00:08:35,252 And I also go by Jay for show, because it takes up too much space on the placards. 126 00:08:35,252 --> 00:08:35,866 >> Yeah. >> But 127 00:08:35,866 --> 00:08:40,077 I am a Nigerian born British travel blogger, and I am a spice. 128 00:08:40,077 --> 00:08:41,831 >> Yes. >> But I also have polio. 129 00:08:41,831 --> 00:08:42,445 >> Yeah. >> Yes. 130 00:08:42,445 --> 00:08:47,445 >> I think the reason why we do that whole list is because we exist in many 131 00:08:47,445 --> 00:08:49,903 different places at the same time. 132 00:08:49,903 --> 00:08:52,536 And sometimes, when we look at people, 133 00:08:52,536 --> 00:08:57,011 we kind of go, okay, you're a woman, okay, you're black, okay this. 134 00:08:57,011 --> 00:09:00,872 And we think that that's the only place they exist in. 135 00:09:00,872 --> 00:09:02,451 Whereas, even Jay and I, 136 00:09:02,451 --> 00:09:04,907 we talk about this all the time >> Yes. 137 00:09:04,907 --> 00:09:07,804 >> Though we are both black disabled women, 138 00:09:07,804 --> 00:09:12,634 we both experienced life in completely different ways, because of 139 00:09:12,634 --> 00:09:16,145 the different lanes of our identities >> Yes, so and 140 00:09:16,145 --> 00:09:18,603 the kinds of disabilities we have. 141 00:09:18,603 --> 00:09:22,640 So despite that, I use crutches, and Kym uses a wheelchair. 142 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,119 There are certain differences there that are quite apparent. 143 00:09:27,119 --> 00:09:32,210 >> Okay, so if you don't know what multiple sclerosis or polio are, please- 144 00:09:32,210 --> 00:09:33,790 >> Google is your friend. 145 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:34,317 >> Google. 146 00:09:34,317 --> 00:09:36,687 >> [LAUGH] >> We read it often times. 147 00:09:36,687 --> 00:09:39,759 >> We're not going to run through that today. 148 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:44,322 So on the screen, Jay is gonna do our descriptions for the slides. 149 00:09:44,322 --> 00:09:49,147 >> So yes, so on this particular slide, we have an image of myself and Kym. 150 00:09:49,147 --> 00:09:50,377 >> Beautiful image. 151 00:09:50,377 --> 00:09:54,767 >> Beautiful image, this goes without saying, but we've said it. 152 00:09:54,767 --> 00:09:55,821 >> [LAUGH] >> And 153 00:09:55,821 --> 00:09:59,066 we are all of these things all at once, and more. 154 00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:02,224 We are black, we are women, and we are disabled. 155 00:10:02,224 --> 00:10:07,225 And so one of the reason why we created Triple Cripples, as you all know- 156 00:10:07,225 --> 00:10:09,858 >> Yeah, so the story of Triple Cripples, 157 00:10:09,858 --> 00:10:13,104 the story of TC was that I found her somewhere. 158 00:10:13,104 --> 00:10:15,210 No, we actually- >> She stalked me. 159 00:10:15,210 --> 00:10:16,175 >> I stalked her. 160 00:10:16,175 --> 00:10:21,440 No, we have mutual friend, and actually, I saw one of her videos on Instagram. 161 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,178 And I was like I'm taken aback, she's wonderful, I must meet her. 162 00:10:26,178 --> 00:10:32,677 And what really struck me about Kimberly, I've so affectionately named her, 163 00:10:32,677 --> 00:10:37,945 is the fact that she was so unapologetic about her different identities. 164 00:10:37,945 --> 00:10:43,827 And Triple Cripples was something that we had both actually wanted to create for 165 00:10:43,827 --> 00:10:44,967 a very long time. 166 00:10:44,967 --> 00:10:49,357 However, we realized that the magnitude of something of this 167 00:10:49,357 --> 00:10:53,485 particular undertaking, we couldn't do it by ourselves. 168 00:10:53,485 --> 00:10:58,402 We needed somebody that not only understood what actually means to 169 00:10:58,402 --> 00:11:02,617 be somebody that has three layers of marginalization, but 170 00:11:02,617 --> 00:11:05,339 also to keep one another accountable. 171 00:11:05,339 --> 00:11:09,289 So sometimes when I'm feeling lazy, and I'm tired, and 172 00:11:09,289 --> 00:11:14,379 I can't be bothered to do it, I'm like [SOUND] just leave them, right? 173 00:11:14,379 --> 00:11:18,853 But to Kym, I was like, okay, right, get typing, get typing, get going. 174 00:11:18,853 --> 00:11:23,506 So for something like that, because we're trying to bring about. 175 00:11:23,506 --> 00:11:25,174 >> Yeah. >> And highlight and 176 00:11:25,174 --> 00:11:26,140 amplify- >> Yeah. 177 00:11:26,140 --> 00:11:28,686 >> The stories of the global majority. 178 00:11:28,686 --> 00:11:31,232 This is something that requires so 179 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:34,830 much more than one person might be able to provide. 180 00:11:34,830 --> 00:11:37,110 >> Yeah, cuz we were kind of sick and 181 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:42,205 tired of the unaddressed discrimination and lack of representation. 182 00:11:42,205 --> 00:11:43,522 >> We don't address. 183 00:11:43,522 --> 00:11:46,331 >> Yeah, that's right, that women of color, 184 00:11:46,331 --> 00:11:50,897 people of color with disabilities experience on a daily basis. 185 00:11:50,897 --> 00:11:54,231 So we have to create Triple Cripples to try and 186 00:11:54,231 --> 00:11:58,092 change the UK landscape from a sexist and a racist one, 187 00:11:58,092 --> 00:12:02,484 into a more diverse, inclusive and progressive environment. 188 00:12:02,484 --> 00:12:05,293 That's why we kind of- >> Yeah, definitely, 189 00:12:05,293 --> 00:12:10,910 TC is definitely something that we hope and do indeed believe will make the UK, 190 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:16,706 and hopefully the world a better place, because representation is so important. 191 00:12:16,706 --> 00:12:20,390 And we are hoping to go one small way into doing that. 192 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:26,272 >> And just back to the name, people keep saying we're reclaiming the word cripples, 193 00:12:26,272 --> 00:12:28,907 and we're not reclaiming anything. 194 00:12:28,907 --> 00:12:30,748 >> Nope, it can stay in the box. 195 00:12:30,748 --> 00:12:32,327 >> Yeah, it can stay there, 196 00:12:32,327 --> 00:12:37,330 because I think the challenge that happens is that people think no, 197 00:12:37,330 --> 00:12:42,245 the world's been reclaimed, so everyone can say it now, no you can't. 198 00:12:42,245 --> 00:12:44,089 >> Don't do that [LAUGH]. 199 00:12:44,089 --> 00:12:45,933 >> You're not disabled, and 200 00:12:45,933 --> 00:12:50,321 you haven't chosen to give yourself that label, do not say it. 201 00:12:50,321 --> 00:12:53,130 >> No. >> And we were literally talking about 202 00:12:53,130 --> 00:12:58,483 actually, it was a tongue in cheek to look at the three levels of oppression, 203 00:12:58,483 --> 00:13:01,995 or the three levels discrimination that we face. 204 00:13:01,995 --> 00:13:05,155 And each of them has their own consequences. 205 00:13:05,155 --> 00:13:08,490 And so in each category, there are these things, 206 00:13:08,490 --> 00:13:13,145 there's societal structures that make life difficult for you. 207 00:13:13,145 --> 00:13:18,234 >> Cuz I think one of the things we encounter often is people being like, 208 00:13:18,234 --> 00:13:23,151 no, don't call yourself disabled, that's a bad word. 209 00:13:23,151 --> 00:13:26,750 >> It's like no, if we're talking about disabled as, 210 00:13:26,750 --> 00:13:31,138 or the word disabled, or the word disability as a social model, 211 00:13:31,138 --> 00:13:35,789 then we know that it's to do with the world not accommodating us. 212 00:13:35,789 --> 00:13:37,195 >> It's destructive. 213 00:13:37,195 --> 00:13:39,476 >> As opposed to me being a problem. 214 00:13:39,476 --> 00:13:44,126 It's in the same way we looked at the word cripples, in that sense, 215 00:13:44,126 --> 00:13:47,901 in relation to each of those ways of discrimination. 216 00:13:47,901 --> 00:13:51,588 >> And plus, we're so clever, triple and cripple rhyme. 217 00:13:51,588 --> 00:13:54,045 We were very surface level with it. 218 00:13:54,045 --> 00:13:57,817 >> I was like, I didn't wanna say anything, cuz I was like, 219 00:13:57,817 --> 00:14:00,714 I didn't wanna blow any trumpets there. 220 00:14:00,714 --> 00:14:01,855 It's all right. 221 00:14:01,855 --> 00:14:06,856 [LAUGH] so let us move on to the next slide Jay is going to introduce. 222 00:14:06,856 --> 00:14:11,330 >> On the next slide, we have three circles, one with an image of Kym, 223 00:14:11,330 --> 00:14:16,333 one of an image of myself, and we have some descriptions for ourselves. 224 00:14:16,333 --> 00:14:19,933 So Kym is a writer, speaker, podcaster. 225 00:14:19,933 --> 00:14:22,129 She does this professionally. 226 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:26,520 >> [INAUDIBLE] >> She is an for romance, dating and 227 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,399 disability. 228 00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:30,384 She's a peer reviewed vegan food critic. 229 00:14:30,384 --> 00:14:31,703 >> Self-appointed. 230 00:14:31,703 --> 00:14:32,757 >> Yes. [LAUGH] 231 00:14:32,757 --> 00:14:34,601 >> The official breasts for 232 00:14:34,601 --> 00:14:35,743 Triple Cripple. 233 00:14:35,743 --> 00:14:38,026 >> [LAUGH] >> People always ask, so 234 00:14:38,026 --> 00:14:43,469 before we carry on with the description, maybe I'll clarify that last part. 235 00:14:43,469 --> 00:14:46,103 Actually, I'll do the podcast apart. 236 00:14:46,103 --> 00:14:49,438 So other than Triple Cripples, I also write, and 237 00:14:49,438 --> 00:14:55,010 I entered Has anyone heard of the Spotify boot camp? 238 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:56,481 >> The sound up boot camp. 239 00:14:56,481 --> 00:14:57,952 >> The sound up boot camp. 240 00:14:57,952 --> 00:15:01,795 Well, Spotify had a competition and they were looking for 241 00:15:01,795 --> 00:15:03,757 people who wanted to do shows. 242 00:15:03,757 --> 00:15:05,799 I won. >> She was one of the winners. 243 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:06,861 >> I won. >> Wonderful. 244 00:15:06,861 --> 00:15:10,047 >> And so I'm producing a play, an audio play, and so 245 00:15:10,047 --> 00:15:15,195 that's one of the things I do and that's why I get to call myself a podcaster. 246 00:15:15,195 --> 00:15:19,692 And the other thing about the official breast for triple cripples, 247 00:15:19,692 --> 00:15:24,266 when we first, we I don't know we had an interview done on us by the BBC. 248 00:15:24,266 --> 00:15:28,026 And we said some interesting things, it was by BBC minute. 249 00:15:28,026 --> 00:15:32,440 And most of the comments about me were literally about my breasts. 250 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,528 So I decided, since I've been given this wonderful position, 251 00:15:36,528 --> 00:15:40,943 you know the little things coming out that was the most important 252 00:15:40,943 --> 00:15:44,214 thing I decided that I should embrace- >> [LAUGH] 253 00:15:44,214 --> 00:15:45,359 >> This new calling. 254 00:15:45,359 --> 00:15:47,403 >> Yes, this new found title right. 255 00:15:47,403 --> 00:15:48,466 >> Yeah [LAUGH]. 256 00:15:48,466 --> 00:15:53,044 >> So about Jay we have a teacher, a travel blogger, a disability blogger, 257 00:15:53,044 --> 00:15:53,861 a podcaster. 258 00:15:53,861 --> 00:15:57,214 A fine cuisine connoisseur again self appointed. 259 00:15:57,214 --> 00:15:58,195 >> Yes. [LAUGH] 260 00:15:58,195 --> 00:16:00,485 >> Professional Niger Princess and 261 00:16:00,485 --> 00:16:03,428 the official baby girl for Triple Cripples. 262 00:16:03,428 --> 00:16:05,879 >> Yes. >> It's a job I take very seriously. 263 00:16:05,879 --> 00:16:06,696 >> It is indeed. 264 00:16:06,696 --> 00:16:07,513 >> It is indeed. 265 00:16:07,513 --> 00:16:10,047 >> Right. Let's move on to the next slide. 266 00:16:10,047 --> 00:16:14,459 So we just wanted to on this, shall I do the description for this one? 267 00:16:14,459 --> 00:16:17,485 >> Yeah, that's you, cuz you have [CROSSTALK]. 268 00:16:17,485 --> 00:16:18,384 >> No, it's okay. 269 00:16:18,384 --> 00:16:22,470 >> So on the next slide we have in bold writing, in just ten months. 270 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:26,557 It's a little bit over ten months now, but I didn't update it. 271 00:16:26,557 --> 00:16:29,419 >> [LAUGH] >> So we've had over 700 views. 272 00:16:29,419 --> 00:16:30,565 >> 700,000. 273 00:16:30,565 --> 00:16:31,711 >> 700,000. 274 00:16:31,711 --> 00:16:32,855 My bad. >> [LAUGH] 275 00:16:32,855 --> 00:16:33,355 >> Hello. 276 00:16:33,355 --> 00:16:35,972 There's three extra zeros there guys. 277 00:16:35,972 --> 00:16:38,016 I've got discalcula allow me. 278 00:16:38,016 --> 00:16:40,796 So [LAUGH] we've major news features, 279 00:16:40,796 --> 00:16:43,822 interviews and high profile appearances. So 280 00:16:43,822 --> 00:16:47,909 on the screen is just an array of different media outlets and 281 00:16:47,909 --> 00:16:52,487 different logos for the people. There are about 20 up there I think. 282 00:16:52,487 --> 00:16:54,695 Of different people that we've 283 00:16:54,695 --> 00:16:58,374 encountered, been interviewed by, been featured by, and 284 00:16:58,374 --> 00:17:01,234 we just wanted to say, if we weren't needed, 285 00:17:01,234 --> 00:17:03,849 there wouldn't be such a demand. And so 286 00:17:03,849 --> 00:17:08,754 it kind of shows that the huge vacuum that exists in this particular area, 287 00:17:08,754 --> 00:17:13,334 because really and truly, there are if we're talking about a global 288 00:17:13,334 --> 00:17:14,233 majority- >> Yes. 289 00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:16,440 >> There are hundreds of thousands 290 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,791 of disabled people of color. We shouldn't have so 291 00:17:19,791 --> 00:17:23,470 much coverage in just 10 months. So that's one thing. 292 00:17:23,470 --> 00:17:26,169 I mean, we should because we're amazing, 293 00:17:26,169 --> 00:17:28,622 but that's not the point. >> [LAUGH] 294 00:17:28,622 --> 00:17:29,439 >> All right, so 295 00:17:29,439 --> 00:17:33,934 on the next slide we have three images. The first image is of the baby 296 00:17:33,934 --> 00:17:38,094 girls at the TED Talk earlier this year at Sussex University. 297 00:17:38,094 --> 00:17:39,646 >> Yes I forgot we did that. 298 00:17:39,646 --> 00:17:43,896 >> Yes, and we have Kim there stunning in a yellow wrap around dress. 299 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:47,739 And Jay is wearing an African attire with orange and blue. 300 00:17:47,739 --> 00:17:51,824 The next image is of Kim speaking at a panel on disability and 301 00:17:51,824 --> 00:17:55,504 intersectionality at the London School of Economics. 302 00:17:55,504 --> 00:18:00,083 And just below is Jay speaking at the Sussex police liaison officer 303 00:18:00,083 --> 00:18:01,064 awareness day. 304 00:18:01,064 --> 00:18:02,780 She had not been arrested. 305 00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:03,925 Stage. >> [LAUGH] 306 00:18:03,925 --> 00:18:06,458 >> You're gonna see a lot of pictures of 307 00:18:06,458 --> 00:18:07,357 us, careful. 308 00:18:07,357 --> 00:18:08,501 Are you all right? 309 00:18:08,501 --> 00:18:12,426 >> Don't draw attention, don't draw attention, come on babe. 310 00:18:12,426 --> 00:18:15,694 >> Okay, you're gonna see a lot of pictures of us for 311 00:18:15,694 --> 00:18:20,027 the rest of this presentation, because one of the reasons that we 312 00:18:20,027 --> 00:18:23,626 exist is because we're trying to create visibility. 313 00:18:23,626 --> 00:18:28,449 And so it's important that you see our disabled bodies on your screens, 314 00:18:28,449 --> 00:18:30,165 in your faces all the time. 315 00:18:30,165 --> 00:18:33,925 So we've taken lots and lots of pictures to that effect. 316 00:18:33,925 --> 00:18:38,338 I personally, just on the side, I never used to like taking pictures. 317 00:18:38,338 --> 00:18:41,608 But I realize the importance of us being visible. 318 00:18:41,608 --> 00:18:42,671 >> Yes, definitely. 319 00:18:42,671 --> 00:18:45,124 I have always loved taking pictures. 320 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:47,575 It's one of my roles as the baby girl. 321 00:18:47,575 --> 00:18:52,480 But yes, I definitely agree being that we are both visibly disabled women. 322 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,709 It is very important the fact that we are also shown in the bodies that we are in. 323 00:18:57,709 --> 00:19:02,615 We could have just had a podcast but then you're just hearing our voices, 324 00:19:02,615 --> 00:19:04,496 there's nothing behind it. 325 00:19:04,496 --> 00:19:06,048 There's no depth to it. 326 00:19:06,048 --> 00:19:10,788 There's no extra parts to say that actually, yes, they are disabled and 327 00:19:10,788 --> 00:19:14,548 they are still doing this which was very important to us. 328 00:19:14,548 --> 00:19:17,984 [CROSSTALK] >> Yeah, that's the annual vanity and 329 00:19:17,984 --> 00:19:22,235 you're not confronted by your prejudices if you don't see it. 330 00:19:22,235 --> 00:19:25,016 You can easily compartmentalize things. 331 00:19:25,016 --> 00:19:25,834 >> Definitely. 332 00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:28,285 >> Okay, so we want to ask some questions. 333 00:19:28,285 --> 00:19:31,882 >> We're on a news flight now, we've got some questions. 334 00:19:31,882 --> 00:19:32,781 >> Right. >> For you. 335 00:19:32,781 --> 00:19:37,766 So can you name a well known disabled woman of color that aren't Jay or Kim? 336 00:19:37,766 --> 00:19:39,481 >> Hands in the air if you can. 337 00:19:39,481 --> 00:19:42,914 >> Because if you put your hand up, we're gonna ask you. 338 00:19:42,914 --> 00:19:45,038 >> No one has put their hand up, okay. 339 00:19:45,038 --> 00:19:46,673 >> Okay. >> Let the record show. 340 00:19:46,673 --> 00:19:50,676 >> By the way on the last slide there was a picture of Kim and Jay. 341 00:19:50,676 --> 00:19:56,316 On this slide there's a beautiful picture of Kim and Jay each of us wearing clothes. 342 00:19:56,316 --> 00:19:58,850 And looking back, we do that sometimes. 343 00:19:58,850 --> 00:20:03,344 So do you remember the time you saw a non binary person of color with 344 00:20:03,344 --> 00:20:04,569 a disability on TV? 345 00:20:04,569 --> 00:20:05,632 Show your hands. 346 00:20:05,632 --> 00:20:08,575 >> Let the record show there are no hands shown. 347 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:09,883 >> Wow. Okay, next slide. 348 00:20:09,883 --> 00:20:11,600 >> But we're not surprised. 349 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,336 >> Next slide. 350 00:20:12,336 --> 00:20:16,749 >> Next slide is an image of Jay and Kim both with head wraps, actually, 351 00:20:16,749 --> 00:20:18,629 Jay has a yellow golden wrap. 352 00:20:18,629 --> 00:20:23,860 Whereas Kim has a beautiful blue head wrap and the question asked, have you met 353 00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:28,846 a Femme of color with a visible disability at your workplace, show of hands. 354 00:20:28,846 --> 00:20:29,989 >> We got one hand up. 355 00:20:29,989 --> 00:20:31,459 >> Two. >> We got two hands up. 356 00:20:31,459 --> 00:20:32,440 This was- >> Three. 357 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,383 >> Three, I don't have my glasses, four, four, yes. 358 00:20:35,383 --> 00:20:37,181 >> You should have put them on. 359 00:20:37,181 --> 00:20:40,044 But that's another story for another day. 360 00:20:40,044 --> 00:20:43,315 >> That's neither here nor, okay, we have four hands- 361 00:20:43,315 --> 00:20:44,051 >> Four hands. 362 00:20:44,051 --> 00:20:44,787 >> Four hands? 363 00:20:44,787 --> 00:20:45,441 >> Five. >> Five? 364 00:20:45,441 --> 00:20:46,586 >> Yeah, five people. 365 00:20:46,586 --> 00:20:47,485 >> Five hands up. 366 00:20:47,485 --> 00:20:48,466 Wow, wonderful. 367 00:20:48,466 --> 00:20:50,264 I quite like that, actually. 368 00:20:50,264 --> 00:20:53,044 I'm not gonna call anybody up [LAUGH]. 369 00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:55,823 >> [LAUGH] >> Okay, so how many black women or 370 00:20:55,823 --> 00:21:00,400 Femmes have you seen as the face of a disability awareness campaign? 371 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,462 Show of hands? 372 00:21:01,462 --> 00:21:03,668 >> You can't do us Emma May, who else? 373 00:21:03,668 --> 00:21:08,652 The beautiful hand that went up was by our friend that we met at the TED Talk. 374 00:21:08,652 --> 00:21:11,349 >> There's no hands up for this one either. 375 00:21:11,349 --> 00:21:15,761 Okay, so when was the last time you saw a disabled person of color at 376 00:21:15,761 --> 00:21:17,150 the forefront of and 377 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:22,301 included in the discussions surrounding disablity rights by show of hands. 378 00:21:22,301 --> 00:21:23,853 >> One, two- >> We got two hands- 379 00:21:23,853 --> 00:21:24,752 >> Three four. 380 00:21:24,752 --> 00:21:25,570 >> Three hands. 381 00:21:25,570 --> 00:21:27,286 Five. >> You see four hands? 382 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:28,593 I see four hands now. 383 00:21:28,593 --> 00:21:30,554 >> Six. >> Five six, wow, wonderful. 384 00:21:30,554 --> 00:21:31,453 >> Six. >> Six hands. 385 00:21:31,453 --> 00:21:34,805 >> Out of about- >> Okay, well we'll ask questions later. 386 00:21:34,805 --> 00:21:35,459 >> Yeah, yeah. 387 00:21:35,459 --> 00:21:36,767 [LAUGH] >> Yes, okay. 388 00:21:36,767 --> 00:21:37,911 So let's move on. 389 00:21:37,911 --> 00:21:43,059 I just included a slide of me and Jay being loved up because we love each other. 390 00:21:43,059 --> 00:21:45,348 >> Yes. >> And the slide says sisters for 391 00:21:45,348 --> 00:21:48,456 life because we've only known each other for 392 00:21:48,456 --> 00:21:51,970 as long as Triple Cripples has actually been a thing. 393 00:21:51,970 --> 00:21:56,874 But for both of us in our every day lives we didn't know anybody else that 394 00:21:56,874 --> 00:21:57,609 was like us. 395 00:21:57,609 --> 00:22:02,024 We didn't know anybody else that was also a disabled black woman. 396 00:22:02,024 --> 00:22:05,130 So it was like finding a home within each other. 397 00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:05,866 >> Don't cry. 398 00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:07,910 [LAUGH] >> I wasn't gonna cry. 399 00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:09,381 >> I know I'm wonderful. 400 00:22:09,381 --> 00:22:10,526 >> She's all right. 401 00:22:10,526 --> 00:22:16,085 But it was like finding a home that you didn't realize that you were searching for 402 00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:16,820 for so long. 403 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:21,152 So definitely sisters for life or at least until she annoys me so. 404 00:22:21,152 --> 00:22:23,851 >> Wow. >> Whichever, whichever happens first. 405 00:22:23,851 --> 00:22:25,568 >> I didn't see that coming. 406 00:22:25,568 --> 00:22:28,676 >> Fickle. >> We'll talk about that afterwards Jay. 407 00:22:28,676 --> 00:22:29,820 So, the next slide. 408 00:22:29,820 --> 00:22:33,499 >> Right, the next slide we are talking about key facts now. 409 00:22:33,499 --> 00:22:38,159 The first circle states that one in four black people are disabled in 410 00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:39,468 the United Kingdom. 411 00:22:39,468 --> 00:22:42,330 >> Okay, so we'll do some general stats first. 412 00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:47,317 So I don't know if anyone knows apparently there are more disabled women 413 00:22:47,317 --> 00:22:48,625 than men in general. 414 00:22:48,625 --> 00:22:50,343 >> General around the world. 415 00:22:50,343 --> 00:22:55,328 >> So I think the statistics right now are at 23% of women by comparison to 416 00:22:55,328 --> 00:22:57,944 19% of men is the general statistic. 417 00:22:57,944 --> 00:23:00,641 >> Yes. >> And in relation to the second circle 418 00:23:00,641 --> 00:23:04,323 says, black adults experience reduced participation. 419 00:23:04,323 --> 00:23:08,817 And I think that was mentioned at the beginning, in key life areas, so 420 00:23:08,817 --> 00:23:14,622 it wasn't generally people of color it is specifically black adults out of everyone 421 00:23:14,622 --> 00:23:19,936 else experienced the lowest standard of life in key life areas like education, 422 00:23:19,936 --> 00:23:20,509 hobbies. 423 00:23:20,509 --> 00:23:21,327 >> Health care. 424 00:23:21,327 --> 00:23:22,145 >> Health care. 425 00:23:22,145 --> 00:23:22,963 >> Everything. 426 00:23:22,963 --> 00:23:25,743 >> Leisure, so basically being a human, right? 427 00:23:25,743 --> 00:23:29,831 So, the next one, women, ethnic minorities, and disabled people. 428 00:23:29,831 --> 00:23:30,649 >> Especially. 429 00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:33,020 >> Are all underrepresented in media. 430 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:36,208 So, we have three different types of stats there. 431 00:23:36,208 --> 00:23:38,987 >> Yeah. The other thing is, by ratio, black and 432 00:23:38,987 --> 00:23:43,975 non-black people of color are more affected by disability because they 433 00:23:43,975 --> 00:23:48,389 are the global majority, so that's something else to bear in mind. 434 00:23:48,389 --> 00:23:50,758 So. Shall we move on the next slide, or 435 00:23:50,758 --> 00:23:53,699 do you wanna talk about- >> I think we can move on. 436 00:23:53,699 --> 00:23:54,353 >> Okay, cool. 437 00:23:54,353 --> 00:23:57,871 [LAUGH] >> Having private conversations in public. 438 00:23:57,871 --> 00:24:03,022 >> [LAUGH] Okay, so just based on that last stat, if we're talking about women, 439 00:24:03,022 --> 00:24:08,011 ethnic minorities, and disabled people being under represented in media, 440 00:24:08,011 --> 00:24:12,591 if women, Femmes, disabled people, people of color, and whoever exists 441 00:24:12,591 --> 00:24:17,579 within those intersections, if they're not in the room making decisions. 442 00:24:17,579 --> 00:24:19,705 How do they get representation? 443 00:24:19,705 --> 00:24:23,956 >> And how do we actually get fair representation when we aren't 444 00:24:23,956 --> 00:24:24,937 in those rooms? 445 00:24:24,937 --> 00:24:30,168 And what does that mean if people who do not live experiences are making, I mean 446 00:24:30,168 --> 00:24:35,401 we're living in a world where that's happening, and we see how that's going. 447 00:24:35,401 --> 00:24:36,300 >> It's on fire. 448 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:37,200 >> Yeah, exactly. 449 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,753 We're all going to die. 450 00:24:38,753 --> 00:24:40,388 >> And that was always true. 451 00:24:40,388 --> 00:24:41,041 >> I know but. 452 00:24:41,041 --> 00:24:43,574 >> Yes. >> I was trying to do the whole global 453 00:24:43,574 --> 00:24:46,191 warming thing but you didn't catch it. 454 00:24:46,191 --> 00:24:46,927 >> I'm sorry. 455 00:24:46,927 --> 00:24:47,990 >> It's all right. 456 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:49,052 My jokes are dry. 457 00:24:49,052 --> 00:24:50,687 It's all right I accept. 458 00:24:50,687 --> 00:24:53,957 >> [LAUGH] >> So the next slide says racism and pain. 459 00:24:53,957 --> 00:24:55,756 >> Wonderful exciting topic. 460 00:24:55,756 --> 00:24:58,536 >> Yeah. >> Yeah so the very first circle writes 461 00:24:58,536 --> 00:25:03,851 late diagnoses and a higher mortality rates during pregnancy and childbirth. 462 00:25:03,851 --> 00:25:06,714 This relates specifically to black women, 463 00:25:06,714 --> 00:25:10,065 our pain and our symptoms are simply not believed. 464 00:25:10,065 --> 00:25:14,888 So during our moments when we are trying to bring new life into the world, 465 00:25:14,888 --> 00:25:17,749 unfortunately, we end up leaving it as well. 466 00:25:17,749 --> 00:25:22,327 >> Yeah, and it's like if your pain and your symptoms aren't believed, 467 00:25:22,327 --> 00:25:26,249 imagine how hard it is to get even to the point of diagnosis. 468 00:25:26,249 --> 00:25:31,318 Much less get the treatment and care and facilities you're requiring for 469 00:25:31,318 --> 00:25:35,979 medication you require to help manage your disability or condition. 470 00:25:35,979 --> 00:25:40,965 I think a lot of people think that racism is someone calling you a name that 471 00:25:40,965 --> 00:25:42,028 you don't like. 472 00:25:42,028 --> 00:25:45,542 Or perhaps not letting you sit next to them on the bus. 473 00:25:45,542 --> 00:25:48,811 I have my two younger brothers are here actually. 474 00:25:48,811 --> 00:25:51,997 And I was talking to one of them the other day and 475 00:25:51,997 --> 00:25:56,985 he mentioned walking down the street and from when he's young he's been 476 00:25:56,985 --> 00:26:02,300 telling the story of someone crossing the street whenever they see him coming. 477 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:04,589 Now my brothers are gentle giants. 478 00:26:04,589 --> 00:26:07,531 They were raised in the same household as me. 479 00:26:07,531 --> 00:26:09,819 I know exactly what they do in life. 480 00:26:09,819 --> 00:26:14,807 And so from when he's been small, he's been experiencing people of other 481 00:26:14,807 --> 00:26:19,793 races crossing over the road whenever they see him crossing over the road. 482 00:26:19,793 --> 00:26:23,226 Or looking at him in spaces like he doesn't belong. 483 00:26:23,226 --> 00:26:28,294 You don't have to call someone a slur for them to know they're not welcome. 484 00:26:28,294 --> 00:26:33,444 And in the same way if you're talking about the structure of medicine, right, 485 00:26:33,444 --> 00:26:38,760 and we're talking about the structure of education, which we'll cover later, 486 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,519 but right now if we talk about the structure of medicine, 487 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:46,851 if I'm your healthcare provider, and I have these biases, yes, and 488 00:26:46,851 --> 00:26:50,614 these preconceived notions, unconscious or conscious, 489 00:26:50,614 --> 00:26:56,338 I'm not sure I believe in unconscious bias anymore, because it's 2019, but okay. 490 00:26:56,338 --> 00:26:58,300 >> Yeah, that bias is fully awake. 491 00:26:58,300 --> 00:26:59,035 >> Yeah, I know. 492 00:26:59,035 --> 00:27:02,060 And we've got so much information around us. 493 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:06,065 If you're choosing not to engage with that, that is a choice. 494 00:27:06,065 --> 00:27:08,601 But that's a controversial opinion. 495 00:27:08,601 --> 00:27:12,932 But if we are living in this time and you do have unconscious bias. 496 00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:15,630 Or you have these premeditated ideas or 497 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:20,372 these sorry preconceived notions of who is sitting in front of you and 498 00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:25,359 what they deserve, and whether or not to listen to them based on these ideas, 499 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,447 your treatment plan, even how you observe how you record data. 500 00:27:29,447 --> 00:27:32,227 Everything is going to reflect that bias. 501 00:27:32,227 --> 00:27:35,417 And it's going to affect their health outcome. 502 00:27:35,417 --> 00:27:39,749 We were at last year's shout out network, what is it, festival, and 503 00:27:39,749 --> 00:27:44,079 we met a doctor, a young doctor, who happened to be a person of color. 504 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:48,819 And they were talking about how in their experience of going in as a new 505 00:27:48,819 --> 00:27:53,805 doctor to a hospital, they were surrounded by all these non POC, doctors, POC 506 00:27:53,805 --> 00:27:58,955 means person of color, doctors, and having to toe the line that was led for them. 507 00:27:58,955 --> 00:28:01,897 So they were engaging with a person of color, 508 00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:06,638 particularly a young black man who had particular issues in a ward and 509 00:28:06,638 --> 00:28:10,646 they've been going through their notes, and every morning, 510 00:28:10,646 --> 00:28:15,224 they're supposed to have this round table with all the doctors and 511 00:28:15,224 --> 00:28:18,821 they're all supposed to talk about each patient and 512 00:28:18,821 --> 00:28:24,054 say what treatment plans are happening, what they're taking, and everything. 513 00:28:24,054 --> 00:28:28,307 Every other patient who was being spoken about was non-black. 514 00:28:28,307 --> 00:28:33,213 And they were going thoroughly into each of their medical histories and 515 00:28:33,213 --> 00:28:34,521 all of these things. 516 00:28:34,521 --> 00:28:37,545 And whenever they came to a black and patient, 517 00:28:37,545 --> 00:28:41,142 they would kind of just skip over most of that history. 518 00:28:41,142 --> 00:28:45,229 Now to someone, to a layman, they might not even notice that but 519 00:28:45,229 --> 00:28:47,600 what does that mean for the patient? 520 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,686 What does that mean about the level of care is going to get but 521 00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:56,264 also what does that say to the young doctors coming in that says, well, 522 00:28:56,264 --> 00:28:59,534 you don't need to pay attention to these people. 523 00:28:59,534 --> 00:29:04,112 You don't need to care as much about what's going on in their lives. 524 00:29:04,112 --> 00:29:09,100 You can just use these general sweeping statements or these general kind 525 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:13,842 of treatment plans to deal with them because it's not that important. 526 00:29:13,842 --> 00:29:16,866 It says that they are not worthy of equal care. 527 00:29:16,866 --> 00:29:21,688 It says that they are not human enough to be treated as equal to the other 528 00:29:21,688 --> 00:29:23,570 people that you're seeing. 529 00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:28,147 So it's not something that exists just in the mind of the person who, 530 00:29:28,147 --> 00:29:29,864 let's say an individual. 531 00:29:29,864 --> 00:29:31,581 It's a structural thing. 532 00:29:31,581 --> 00:29:34,769 You come into structures we work in structures. 533 00:29:34,769 --> 00:29:36,242 We're social beings. 534 00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:40,165 So if I come into a circle, that's how bullying works, right? 535 00:29:40,165 --> 00:29:43,842 If I come into a circle and no one's talking to person A, 536 00:29:43,842 --> 00:29:47,357 I'll be like, why aren't they talking to person A? 537 00:29:47,357 --> 00:29:51,910 I might not query it, depending on my personality. 538 00:29:51,910 --> 00:29:55,703 I might not question or challenge it, I might just join in, 539 00:29:55,703 --> 00:29:58,920 because I don't wanna be treated like person A. 540 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,128 And so that's what happens in our medical structures anyway. 541 00:30:03,128 --> 00:30:06,344 >> Yeah, she went really deep there, I was engrossed. 542 00:30:06,344 --> 00:30:10,634 >> [LAUGH] So that's how we end up having high mortality rates. 543 00:30:10,634 --> 00:30:15,747 That's how black women end up dying at higher rates of uterine cancers and 544 00:30:15,747 --> 00:30:16,902 things like that. 545 00:30:16,902 --> 00:30:18,635 That's how that happens. 546 00:30:18,635 --> 00:30:23,090 That's how we get late diagnoses of disabilities of conditions. 547 00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:28,204 And that's how we end up dying of things that we shouldn't necessarily or 548 00:30:28,204 --> 00:30:32,495 even just ending up with more disablement than is necessary or 549 00:30:32,495 --> 00:30:37,116 more illness that is necessary because some things, are manageable. 550 00:30:37,116 --> 00:30:40,992 And if you don't know until the last minute what happens, 551 00:30:40,992 --> 00:30:44,620 do you know what I mean, so- >> Right, in the very last circle, 552 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:49,650 we have disabled women and fence experience five times more sexual abuse. 553 00:30:49,650 --> 00:30:54,765 Plus only 5% of sexual assault is actually reported within these groups. 554 00:30:54,765 --> 00:30:59,052 So just to use a bit of a media example, so in the not so recent, well, 555 00:30:59,052 --> 00:31:04,579 in the recent past, Harvey Weinstein was accused by a number of women in Hollywood 556 00:31:04,579 --> 00:31:09,445 for being sexually inappropriate, sexual assault, etc., etc., what have you. 557 00:31:09,445 --> 00:31:14,556 Now, the only two women with which he actually raised his voice to say uh-uh, 558 00:31:14,556 --> 00:31:19,091 I didn't do that, were Salma Hayek, a Latina woman, and Lapita Nyongo. 559 00:31:19,091 --> 00:31:22,471 The rest of the women that had said, he did this to me, 560 00:31:22,471 --> 00:31:26,594 he was inappropriate in a number of ways were all white women, 561 00:31:26,594 --> 00:31:29,810 and he had absolutely nothing to say about that. 562 00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:33,357 Now for me, personally, allegedly, he did it, allegedly. 563 00:31:33,357 --> 00:31:37,645 But it is very telling of the fact that it was only with these two 564 00:31:37,645 --> 00:31:42,592 non-white women that he was actually more vocal to say, no, it's not true. 565 00:31:42,592 --> 00:31:47,458 And it has been actually shown that when the victim of sexual assault or 566 00:31:47,458 --> 00:31:51,746 rape or something like that is black woman or women of color and 567 00:31:51,746 --> 00:31:56,612 the perpetrator is a white men who are less likely to be bullied because. 568 00:31:56,612 --> 00:31:58,507 Why would he touch you, right? 569 00:31:58,507 --> 00:32:03,209 So when we have only 5% of sexual assaults actually being reported, 570 00:32:03,209 --> 00:32:07,993 that number just tells us that it's so much larger because it's like, 571 00:32:07,993 --> 00:32:12,363 well, if I'm not gonna be believed anyway, why would I even bother? 572 00:32:12,363 --> 00:32:16,984 I'm just wasting my time because I'm having to rehash this trauma. 573 00:32:16,984 --> 00:32:21,850 >> And the other interesting thing about that statistic in itself is that 574 00:32:21,850 --> 00:32:24,241 just in terms of the people of color. 575 00:32:24,241 --> 00:32:27,951 If we're talking about women of color, black women and 576 00:32:27,951 --> 00:32:32,239 indigenous women experience higher rates of sexual abuse and 577 00:32:32,239 --> 00:32:35,704 domestic violence, and intimate partner violence. 578 00:32:35,704 --> 00:32:37,435 A lot of that exists there. 579 00:32:37,435 --> 00:32:42,135 But within those communities, there is a lot of stigma associated and 580 00:32:42,135 --> 00:32:45,765 cultural taboo associated with kind of reporting or 581 00:32:45,765 --> 00:32:49,559 associated with even recognizing abuse as abuse, right. 582 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:53,765 So if you've got that, and you've got the low reporting rates, 583 00:32:53,765 --> 00:32:56,649 and you add to it the disabled women are and 584 00:32:56,649 --> 00:33:01,432 firms and have higher rates of abuse than women without disabilities. 585 00:33:01,432 --> 00:33:02,586 You have a number, 586 00:33:02,586 --> 00:33:07,454 which is possibly just unquantifiable because we don't have the data. 587 00:33:07,454 --> 00:33:10,010 >> Yes. >> But if we combine all those things 588 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:13,887 together and make kind of logical conclusions we can say, 589 00:33:13,887 --> 00:33:18,506 well disables black and indigenous women experienced the highest 590 00:33:18,506 --> 00:33:22,383 rates of sexual violence and intimate partner violence. 591 00:33:22,383 --> 00:33:25,269 >> While we're getting a house back in order, 592 00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:29,805 what I will say is that through the media medium, very powerful tool. 593 00:33:29,805 --> 00:33:32,361 If these things are going unreported, 594 00:33:32,361 --> 00:33:37,308 you are kind of shown the who is the actual best group of people to assault. 595 00:33:37,308 --> 00:33:42,090 You are the actual best group of people to write because I can tell that 596 00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:43,656 nobody cares about you. 597 00:33:43,656 --> 00:33:44,156 >> Yeah. >> So. 598 00:33:44,156 --> 00:33:45,888 >> There's a free fall here. 599 00:33:45,888 --> 00:33:48,692 I can do whatever I want because your body 600 00:33:48,692 --> 00:33:51,743 does not matter, your life has no value, so yeah. 601 00:33:51,743 --> 00:33:52,568 >> In some ways, 602 00:33:52,568 --> 00:33:57,931 that's the benefit of us creating Triple Cripples because there have been so 603 00:33:57,931 --> 00:34:02,963 many stories that have come back to us and people talking to us about their 604 00:34:02,963 --> 00:34:07,745 stories and some of the things. I'm not a counselor, I did try and become 605 00:34:07,745 --> 00:34:12,528 one at one point but I'm currently not. And hearing some of the stories 606 00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:16,817 that people come to me with. I'm always in shock at the number of 607 00:34:16,817 --> 00:34:20,693 people they have told about what has happened to them, and 608 00:34:20,693 --> 00:34:23,497 nothing has happened. Always it's women 609 00:34:23,497 --> 00:34:27,870 of color generally [CROSSTALK] >> It's usually an open secret. 610 00:34:27,870 --> 00:34:30,510 Everybody knows, nobody does anything. 611 00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:32,242 >> Nobody does anything, and 612 00:34:32,242 --> 00:34:37,275 especially because of their disability there is this dismissal happens 613 00:34:37,275 --> 00:34:42,879 of everything that you say. And then statistics we were talking about. 614 00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:45,931 >> So our next slide looks at representation so. 615 00:34:45,931 --> 00:34:50,302 >> So this is why all of those things are why we need representation. 616 00:34:50,302 --> 00:34:53,931 >> Yeah so in our very first circle we have mental health, 617 00:34:53,931 --> 00:34:56,901 emotional well being and societal outcome. 618 00:34:56,901 --> 00:35:00,779 >> Yeah because we know the impact that representation has 619 00:35:00,779 --> 00:35:02,677 on people's mental health. 620 00:35:02,677 --> 00:35:04,492 On this societal outcomes. 621 00:35:04,492 --> 00:35:08,863 If I include you, or I'm able to see myself reflected in the world, 622 00:35:08,863 --> 00:35:10,759 I know it's possible for me. 623 00:35:10,759 --> 00:35:12,325 I know what I can become. 624 00:35:12,325 --> 00:35:15,625 I also feel part of that community in society, and 625 00:35:15,625 --> 00:35:18,017 those things cultivate well being. 626 00:35:18,017 --> 00:35:22,387 Those things cultivate a sense of self, a sense of understand, but 627 00:35:22,387 --> 00:35:26,920 also not just for you, but for the people that exist around you, right? 628 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,619 There is less confusion about okay, are you equal to me, are you a person? 629 00:35:31,619 --> 00:35:33,762 Cuz I've never seen you before. 630 00:35:33,762 --> 00:35:38,052 You're the only one I know that you're not an anomaly anymore. 631 00:35:38,052 --> 00:35:40,775 You're an integrated part of a society. 632 00:35:40,775 --> 00:35:45,312 So you're a member of that society and It means that in my planning, 633 00:35:45,312 --> 00:35:50,179 in my architecture, in my everything, in my education, you are integrated. 634 00:35:50,179 --> 00:35:51,993 Your needs are part of that. 635 00:35:51,993 --> 00:35:57,604 So it's important that you're represented otherwise that isn't gonna happen. 636 00:35:57,604 --> 00:36:00,901 >> Right, so the next cycle states the power of media. 637 00:36:00,901 --> 00:36:01,808 Now what is so 638 00:36:01,808 --> 00:36:06,673 incredibly powerful about the media is that it gives us these messages. 639 00:36:06,673 --> 00:36:10,138 It gives us these claims without us even realizing. 640 00:36:10,138 --> 00:36:14,014 So it doesn't say that only white people can be disabled. 641 00:36:14,014 --> 00:36:16,076 It doesn't tell us that at all. 642 00:36:16,076 --> 00:36:20,695 Yet, whenever we think of disability, whenever we think of fragility, 643 00:36:20,695 --> 00:36:25,560 whenever we think of somebody that we want to look after and care for and 644 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,199 protect, it's a white face that pops on. 645 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,920 >> Yeah. >> So if it's only ever a white person 646 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,198 that I think is worthy and deserving of protection of being looked after, then 647 00:36:36,198 --> 00:36:41,313 anybody that doesn't fit this essentially very low, very narrow category. 648 00:36:41,313 --> 00:36:44,530 There's kind of like no you'll be all right. 649 00:36:44,530 --> 00:36:46,840 I'm sure it doesn't hurt as much. 650 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,625 I'm sure this pinch because it doesn't show up on your darker skin on 651 00:36:51,625 --> 00:36:53,523 your highly melanated skin. 652 00:36:53,523 --> 00:36:55,173 It doesn't hurt as much. 653 00:36:55,173 --> 00:37:00,038 So when I our pain is not believe this is again it's all tied in together 654 00:37:00,038 --> 00:37:01,522 you are more likely to. 655 00:37:01,522 --> 00:37:05,235 Excuse me, become disabled or become further disabled. 656 00:37:05,235 --> 00:37:07,049 Or at some cases it is fatal. 657 00:37:07,049 --> 00:37:07,956 >> Yeah yeah, wow. 658 00:37:07,956 --> 00:37:09,440 The media is powerful. 659 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,089 I think we- >> That's why we. 660 00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:13,068 We happen this peace >> Yeah man 661 00:37:13,068 --> 00:37:15,294 >> We separate a lot of these things. 662 00:37:15,294 --> 00:37:18,759 We separate media, we separate healthcare systems, 663 00:37:18,759 --> 00:37:23,708 we separate education will actually they're all part of the same thing. 664 00:37:23,708 --> 00:37:28,246 Guess who's watching TV and reading newspapers, you're doctors, 665 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,803 you're teachers- >> I guess is creative 666 00:37:30,803 --> 00:37:31,462 >> Thank you. 667 00:37:31,462 --> 00:37:35,751 >> Yes, so and the very last bubble we have aspirations employment, 668 00:37:35,751 --> 00:37:37,814 relationships, and education. 669 00:37:37,814 --> 00:37:42,350 Yeah, I think we've kind of covered that in terms of the things that 670 00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:43,918 representation can do. 671 00:37:43,918 --> 00:37:47,382 So just to come back to the Triple Cripples, right, so 672 00:37:47,382 --> 00:37:52,083 we are about telling the stories of those who remain hidden from view. 673 00:37:52,083 --> 00:37:56,126 And it's history is literally just telling stories, right? 674 00:37:56,126 --> 00:37:59,674 It's just recording stories as they happen in time. 675 00:37:59,674 --> 00:38:04,378 And without a history or collated history or written down history or 676 00:38:04,378 --> 00:38:08,997 recorded history, it's hard for you to know what existed before but 677 00:38:08,997 --> 00:38:13,203 it's also hard for you to inform your future actions right or 678 00:38:13,203 --> 00:38:18,154 your future in action if your actions have been detrimental to people, so. 679 00:38:18,154 --> 00:38:22,854 We are trying to do that and we're trying to create a forum for people, 680 00:38:22,854 --> 00:38:24,997 I guess globally on a larger- >> Yes! 681 00:38:24,997 --> 00:38:25,986 >> Scale. >> A living 682 00:38:25,986 --> 00:38:26,894 archive- >> Yeah. 683 00:38:26,894 --> 00:38:30,359 >> Really. So, another really fascinating thing about 684 00:38:30,359 --> 00:38:33,906 history is that it tells us who and what is important. 685 00:38:33,906 --> 00:38:34,565 >> Yes. >> Right, 686 00:38:34,565 --> 00:38:38,937 so the names that we have all learned through schools, the places, 687 00:38:38,937 --> 00:38:43,391 the battles, 1066, Battle of Hastings, that will never leave me. 688 00:38:43,391 --> 00:38:47,845 But there are so many battles that happened in my own home country 689 00:38:47,845 --> 00:38:50,237 of Nigeria, I had absolutely no idea. 690 00:38:50,237 --> 00:38:55,352 So many politicians, somebody came so many empires that I have no idea about. 691 00:38:55,352 --> 00:39:00,138 So when we are writing down history when we are telling history when we 692 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:04,181 are retelling history, we are telling you, this is important. 693 00:39:04,181 --> 00:39:05,501 >> Yeah >> Remember this, 694 00:39:05,501 --> 00:39:07,894 I'm telling you this is important. 695 00:39:07,894 --> 00:39:09,214 >> Yeah >> Remember this. 696 00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:12,595 So we have to now realize that Who is being left out? 697 00:39:12,595 --> 00:39:16,059 They are not important they need not be remembered. 698 00:39:16,059 --> 00:39:18,863 >> Yes. >> So this is why triple crapples is here 699 00:39:18,863 --> 00:39:22,493 because we are important and we should be remembered. 700 00:39:22,493 --> 00:39:27,442 >> Yeah cuz we're trying to shift the attitude within people's cultures 701 00:39:27,442 --> 00:39:31,895 right and transform their outcomes in that way and kind of change. 702 00:39:31,895 --> 00:39:34,864 If we talk about in terms of our backgrounds, 703 00:39:34,864 --> 00:39:38,823 in lots of people of indigenous cultures around the world, 704 00:39:38,823 --> 00:39:43,359 there is stigma and taboo associated with illness and disability. 705 00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:47,153 Huge stigma and taboo, which sometimes ends in fatality. 706 00:39:47,153 --> 00:39:50,615 Now that make exist in other places in the world, but 707 00:39:50,615 --> 00:39:53,419 if we're talking about a world majority. 708 00:39:53,419 --> 00:39:55,976 That's where we're coming from, and 709 00:39:55,976 --> 00:40:00,679 if I existed here in England I am blessed enough to have been born here. 710 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,794 And existence system though imperfect where if my parents try to murder me, 711 00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:07,361 someone would find out. 712 00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:08,845 Do you know what I mean? 713 00:40:08,845 --> 00:40:10,412 >> And someone would care. 714 00:40:10,412 --> 00:40:11,979 >> And someone would care. 715 00:40:11,979 --> 00:40:12,886 Or the social, 716 00:40:12,886 --> 00:40:17,752 the societal structure is such that it would be seen as a terrible thing. 717 00:40:17,752 --> 00:40:21,215 Whereas there are cultures around the world where- 718 00:40:21,215 --> 00:40:21,958 >> [COUGH] 719 00:40:21,958 --> 00:40:23,607 >> Just being born as we are. 720 00:40:23,607 --> 00:40:27,482 Means that they are seen as a card, they're seen as a curse, 721 00:40:27,482 --> 00:40:31,855 they're seen as invaluable, invalid >> You're seen as a burden at 722 00:40:31,855 --> 00:40:32,762 the best of it. 723 00:40:32,762 --> 00:40:36,720 And you're seen as a punishment from the gods at the worst 724 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:37,380 of it >> Yeah. 725 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:42,412 And so it's important that we tell stories and record people's you know, 726 00:40:42,412 --> 00:40:47,113 experiences because The more you see me, it's, remember we got that, 727 00:40:47,113 --> 00:40:51,401 we got a, my brain is starting to forgot >> Is it the one from YouTube? 728 00:40:51,401 --> 00:40:52,885 >> Yes. >> Okay, I'll tell it. 729 00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:57,916 So one of our Lovely supporters on YouTube had commented on our videos and 730 00:40:57,916 --> 00:40:59,977 she was a supporter from Ghana. 731 00:40:59,977 --> 00:41:04,675 And she told us the story of her uncle who actually had cerebral palsy. 732 00:41:04,675 --> 00:41:10,035 And throughout his entire life, his family essentially locked him in a room for 733 00:41:10,035 --> 00:41:12,920 his entire life from his birth to his death. 734 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,476 Yeah. >> And these are things that happen. 735 00:41:15,476 --> 00:41:18,445 >> Yeah. >> So it's not just about us complaining 736 00:41:18,445 --> 00:41:21,993 about this doctor didn't take my things seriously. 737 00:41:21,993 --> 00:41:25,044 It's also talking about these other things. 738 00:41:25,044 --> 00:41:26,859 So increasing visibility. 739 00:41:26,859 --> 00:41:28,507 We're on a new slide now. 740 00:41:28,507 --> 00:41:29,166 >> New slide. 741 00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:34,197 So this first circle is from a world of isolation to a world of possibility. 742 00:41:34,197 --> 00:41:39,144 Because for a lot of, as we talked about in the beginning, for a lot of people 743 00:41:39,144 --> 00:41:43,761 of color who have disabilities, cause we're not seen in the media or 744 00:41:43,761 --> 00:41:48,463 anything anywhere, we are literally the only disabled people we know. 745 00:41:48,463 --> 00:41:50,113 Literally I knew myself. 746 00:41:50,113 --> 00:41:51,351 Jane knew herself. 747 00:41:51,351 --> 00:41:54,072 And so, to say that people of color, rather. 748 00:41:54,072 --> 00:41:58,361 That we knew and that it's so important to have us on the screen. 749 00:41:58,361 --> 00:42:01,247 It's so important for people to see us and 750 00:42:01,247 --> 00:42:04,548 hear us because then they're like you're me. 751 00:42:04,548 --> 00:42:06,445 Yeah yeah yeah I've seen it. 752 00:42:06,445 --> 00:42:07,269 >> I see myself. 753 00:42:07,269 --> 00:42:11,476 >> I've seen myself, adn there's nothing more liberating than 754 00:42:11,476 --> 00:42:15,436 being able to see yourself reflected outside of yourself. 755 00:42:15,436 --> 00:42:19,806 It's Validating in the way that I think is deeply spiritual and 756 00:42:19,806 --> 00:42:21,868 possibly I can't articulate. 757 00:42:21,868 --> 00:42:24,259 It's the he's got me. 758 00:42:24,259 --> 00:42:25,496 So the next >> Circle 759 00:42:25,496 --> 00:42:27,805 >> circle says the impact your world. 760 00:42:27,805 --> 00:42:32,751 And the reason why I wanted to talk about this, I went to a talk I was blessed 761 00:42:32,751 --> 00:42:37,122 enough to be in a forum with, I don't know if anyones heard of this, 762 00:42:37,122 --> 00:42:41,081 there's a lady called Angela Davis, who's an activist. 763 00:42:41,081 --> 00:42:43,638 Okay, The Angela Davis [CROSSTALK]. 764 00:42:43,638 --> 00:42:44,958 >> She [CROSSTALK]. 765 00:42:44,958 --> 00:42:48,006 But I was asked to sit at a round table with her. 766 00:42:48,006 --> 00:42:51,468 TC were asked, but Jay was in Spain so I went by myself. 767 00:42:51,468 --> 00:42:52,954 [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] 768 00:42:52,954 --> 00:42:53,696 >> It was like- 769 00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:55,098 >> But my time will come, 770 00:42:55,098 --> 00:42:56,005 my time- >> I know, 771 00:42:56,005 --> 00:42:59,140 it was like going somewhere without your twin. 772 00:42:59,140 --> 00:43:01,449 I was just like, I want. 773 00:43:01,449 --> 00:43:06,478 And yes, in that room I was the only woman of color with a visible disability. 774 00:43:06,478 --> 00:43:12,003 And one of the things they were talking, all these activists from around the world 775 00:43:12,003 --> 00:43:17,611 were around this table and they were all talking about these wonderful things and 776 00:43:17,611 --> 00:43:23,303 then someone said something to the effect of it's about being somewhere in person, 777 00:43:23,303 --> 00:43:25,858 it's not about all this online stuff. 778 00:43:25,858 --> 00:43:27,343 That's not activism. 779 00:43:27,343 --> 00:43:30,558 And I had just, I was very- >> This was [INAUDIBLE] 780 00:43:30,558 --> 00:43:31,547 >> I was like what? 781 00:43:31,547 --> 00:43:36,164 Because for a lot of disabled people, and I said this at the talk at LSE, 782 00:43:36,164 --> 00:43:41,110 the Internet is our main means of reaching out and touching the world and 783 00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:45,563 touching other people and being in contact with other people and 784 00:43:45,563 --> 00:43:49,276 being able to communicate and accessing information. 785 00:43:49,276 --> 00:43:51,504 And disseminating information. 786 00:43:51,504 --> 00:43:54,803 Some of the best, and most prolific activists for 787 00:43:54,803 --> 00:43:57,607 disability rights exist on the internet. 788 00:43:57,607 --> 00:44:00,907 The internet's been a brilliant invention, for 789 00:44:00,907 --> 00:44:06,268 being able to put allowing people to access this information and for allowing 790 00:44:06,268 --> 00:44:11,878 disabled people to be visible in general and especially disabled people of color. 791 00:44:11,878 --> 00:44:15,672 They've been able to create networks Under each other. 792 00:44:15,672 --> 00:44:19,549 So the internet isn't something to be Pooh-poohed, and 793 00:44:19,549 --> 00:44:25,078 especially when we're talking about existing at different margins of society, 794 00:44:25,078 --> 00:44:28,955 when we're planning events and things like That it is so 795 00:44:28,955 --> 00:44:34,233 important that we think about the ways in which we can make events accessible. 796 00:44:34,233 --> 00:44:39,018 And one of them is by utilizing streaming by utilizing the internet so 797 00:44:39,018 --> 00:44:43,966 those who cannot physically come places, I'm able to come here today but 798 00:44:43,966 --> 00:44:47,843 had things not gone so well yesterday I wouldn't be here. 799 00:44:47,843 --> 00:44:53,638 So There are loads of disabled people I'm sure who'd want to be here but 800 00:44:53,638 --> 00:44:54,739 can't access it. 801 00:44:54,739 --> 00:44:57,333 The internet is an amazing tool for that. 802 00:44:57,333 --> 00:45:02,366 So I just wanted to include it, because that's part of increasing visibility, 803 00:45:02,366 --> 00:45:07,163 utilizing all the outlets and all the ways of communication that we can so 804 00:45:07,163 --> 00:45:11,015 that everyone can be included in trying to change the world. 805 00:45:11,015 --> 00:45:15,810 Because this event to me, Katherine is me trying to see if you guys trying to 806 00:45:15,810 --> 00:45:20,841 make the world a better place by giving out information that will help people. 807 00:45:20,841 --> 00:45:22,020 >> Kim, what did you do? 808 00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:24,299 >> Okay, I was just a little bit excited. 809 00:45:24,299 --> 00:45:25,557 >> [LAUGH] >> Yeah, and 810 00:45:25,557 --> 00:45:29,566 in that will be changing the narrative to transform outcomes. 811 00:45:29,566 --> 00:45:31,139 That's the last circle. 812 00:45:31,139 --> 00:45:32,948 >> Yes, that's the last circle. 813 00:45:32,948 --> 00:45:34,519 So onto to the next slide. 814 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,270 So on this one we have disability in higher 815 00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:41,439 education cuz we figure we're at the college of the university. 816 00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:44,112 >> Yeah. >> Let's talk about higher education. 817 00:45:44,112 --> 00:45:47,885 So, our very first bubble is a hashtag on Twitter and it says, 818 00:45:47,885 --> 00:45:49,932 #WhyDisabledPeopleDropOut. 819 00:45:49,932 --> 00:45:52,370 >> Yeah. >> Ablest attendance policies and 820 00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:57,560 lack of attendance accommodations target those of us with more unpredictable 821 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,594 chronic illnesses and leave us at the mercy of frequently ablest professors. 822 00:46:02,594 --> 00:46:03,380 >> Wow, go ahead. 823 00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:05,031 >> [LAUGH] >> Jay is like yes, 824 00:46:05,031 --> 00:46:07,390 you're gonna get all the fire today. 825 00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:08,255 >> No. >> [LAUGH] 826 00:46:08,255 --> 00:46:09,277 >> Me personally I 827 00:46:09,277 --> 00:46:12,657 feel like this is definitely one that Kim can tackle. 828 00:46:12,657 --> 00:46:15,489 Because, my disability is very predictable. 829 00:46:15,489 --> 00:46:18,240 It sucks, but it sucks from Monday to Sunday. 830 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:19,655 So there's no change. 831 00:46:19,655 --> 00:46:24,294 >> Yeah, whereas mine is mine is mine fluctuates wildly and unpredictably. 832 00:46:24,294 --> 00:46:28,776 And my experience with higher education has been tumultuous at best. 833 00:46:28,776 --> 00:46:33,414 MS is one of the reasons I had to drop out of university in the first place. 834 00:46:33,414 --> 00:46:36,559 But on trying to re-engage as a disabled person, 835 00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,681 one of the things that I found out. 836 00:46:38,681 --> 00:46:43,477 And I think sometimes people think when people with disabilities engage 837 00:46:43,477 --> 00:46:47,801 with education that the reason they don't finish is because they 838 00:46:47,801 --> 00:46:51,576 lack the academic aptitude to fulfill the student duties. 839 00:46:51,576 --> 00:46:55,819 And I would just like to say for the record that, that is not the case. 840 00:46:55,819 --> 00:46:58,649 If we're just going by my personal example, 841 00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:04,074 I'm supposed to have an IQ in the upper 10th percentile of the entire population. 842 00:47:04,074 --> 00:47:05,411 >> Hashtag no bragging. 843 00:47:05,411 --> 00:47:07,376 >> No but if we use me as an example, 844 00:47:07,376 --> 00:47:12,092 the fact that I am not able to engage with higher education academically. 845 00:47:12,092 --> 00:47:15,788 Despite having that so-called attitude by these tests, 846 00:47:15,788 --> 00:47:17,831 which I think are just nonsense. 847 00:47:17,831 --> 00:47:21,762 Anyway, but if we're gonna use those tests as a barometer for 848 00:47:21,762 --> 00:47:25,849 who is supposed to be capable of academics, then I should be fine. 849 00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:28,365 But that's not what academia is about. 850 00:47:28,365 --> 00:47:30,567 That's not how it's set up, right? 851 00:47:30,567 --> 00:47:33,556 So yes, you've got these stringent deadlines. 852 00:47:33,556 --> 00:47:35,287 You've got access issues. 853 00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:38,276 You've got I think attendance requirements. 854 00:47:38,276 --> 00:47:42,364 And for people with different disabilities, what that means is, 855 00:47:42,364 --> 00:47:46,373 at least for me if we use me as an example again, MS' condition and 856 00:47:46,373 --> 00:47:48,496 you guys are experiencing it now. 857 00:47:48,496 --> 00:47:53,293 That affects your cognition and it can affect your ability to articulate 858 00:47:53,293 --> 00:47:56,437 yourself in terms of it can affect your speeches. 859 00:47:56,437 --> 00:47:58,795 So you become fatigued, you have pain, 860 00:47:58,795 --> 00:48:02,176 there are lots of different things that affects you. 861 00:48:02,176 --> 00:48:04,849 [LAUGH] >> She's been in the park ladies. 862 00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:05,792 >> [LAUGH] I am. 863 00:48:05,792 --> 00:48:10,191 But what that means is that when I am then expected to attend a course, 864 00:48:10,191 --> 00:48:15,144 if let's say, the classroom is a five minute walk for regular walking folk or 865 00:48:15,144 --> 00:48:16,480 ambulance fake away. 866 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,722 For me that five minutes could mean that I am no longer able to even 867 00:48:20,722 --> 00:48:25,362 engage in the lecture I attend because the fatigue from the activity is 868 00:48:25,362 --> 00:48:27,091 going to knock out my brain. 869 00:48:27,091 --> 00:48:30,078 I'm just going to be there absorbing nothing. 870 00:48:30,078 --> 00:48:34,244 But also what are the ways in which people learn not everybody is. 871 00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:38,095 Someone who can read rims and rims and rims and rims of paper, 872 00:48:38,095 --> 00:48:42,893 and in order to understand the concept, some people require bullet points, 873 00:48:42,893 --> 00:48:45,568 some people require verbal explanation. 874 00:48:45,568 --> 00:48:47,062 And so within academia, 875 00:48:47,062 --> 00:48:51,620 in a lot ways they're very rigid ways in which we understand learning. 876 00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:53,744 And you're expected to perform. 877 00:48:53,744 --> 00:48:55,473 But it doesn't make sense. 878 00:48:55,473 --> 00:48:58,066 I have an issue with learning in general. 879 00:48:58,066 --> 00:49:02,234 But if we're just talking about from a disability perspective. 880 00:49:02,234 --> 00:49:06,950 If you're talking about the fact that people might have to take time off 881 00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:10,096 because they're not able to attend physically. 882 00:49:10,096 --> 00:49:14,027 But if you were to provide, let's say a stream again internet. 883 00:49:14,027 --> 00:49:18,429 Or your to provide a video you are to be able to provide something for 884 00:49:18,429 --> 00:49:21,886 them to be able to do things whilst they're at home or 885 00:49:21,886 --> 00:49:25,969 do things at a pace that they were able to then that would be fine. 886 00:49:25,969 --> 00:49:30,058 Even within classrooms there are very few provisions made for 887 00:49:30,058 --> 00:49:32,574 students with learning difficulties. 888 00:49:32,574 --> 00:49:36,268 Let's not even start with students who have other needs, 889 00:49:36,268 --> 00:49:38,156 who have visual disturbance. 890 00:49:38,156 --> 00:49:42,951 Who are, I've never been to a lecture before where there has been a student 891 00:49:42,951 --> 00:49:47,277 whose hearing, let's say, is not where everyone else's hearing is. 892 00:49:47,277 --> 00:49:51,992 And they have been provided for, there have been provisions made for them. 893 00:49:51,992 --> 00:49:54,428 I've not been to one like that before. 894 00:49:54,428 --> 00:49:58,594 And so we have to think about the ways in which we're presenting. 895 00:49:58,594 --> 00:50:03,311 Or the ways in which education, higher education, is presented in that way. 896 00:50:03,311 --> 00:50:04,646 Does that make sense? 897 00:50:04,646 --> 00:50:08,339 I don't know if I've made any sense, but let's hope I did 898 00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:10,146 >> I speak Kim, so I always get it. 899 00:50:10,146 --> 00:50:11,247 >> [LAUGH] >> Right, 900 00:50:11,247 --> 00:50:16,045 we're moving on to the second circle, this is another Twitter screenshot. 901 00:50:16,045 --> 00:50:20,530 Current academic structures and systems are so inherently ableist. 902 00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:24,147 But I can't get a degree in god damn disability studies, 903 00:50:24,147 --> 00:50:28,708 because it is inaccessible to me, hashtag why disabled people drop out. 904 00:50:28,708 --> 00:50:33,504 So it is rather damning when you wanna have a degree in disability studies, 905 00:50:33,504 --> 00:50:35,077 and it's inaccessible. 906 00:50:35,077 --> 00:50:38,064 You'd think this would be the one place but no. 907 00:50:38,064 --> 00:50:42,309 >> Yeah, and that's the thing, as I said that sometimes the buildings, 908 00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:47,265 I understand that buildings and structures can't necessarily be changed. 909 00:50:47,265 --> 00:50:52,534 And in the sense that we're trying to preserve the historical significance and 910 00:50:52,534 --> 00:50:53,241 all of that. 911 00:50:53,241 --> 00:50:54,971 I think that's fantastic. 912 00:50:54,971 --> 00:50:56,307 I love architecture. 913 00:50:56,307 --> 00:50:58,901 So I really appreciate all of that stuff. 914 00:50:58,901 --> 00:51:04,011 However, I also think that people should be able to access education [LAUGH]. 915 00:51:04,011 --> 00:51:05,427 Access knowledge, too. 916 00:51:05,427 --> 00:51:08,964 >> If you intend to keep the building, great, let's keep it. 917 00:51:08,964 --> 00:51:13,210 But if you're going to have classes, you're gonna have lectures, 918 00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:15,411 everyone should be able to attend. 919 00:51:15,411 --> 00:51:20,050 And it shouldn't be just if we have someone enrolling who's disabled. 920 00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:24,606 Cuz what that does, then, Is that when I turn up you're never ready for me. 921 00:51:24,606 --> 00:51:29,479 When I tried to enroll in university again, I had to spend the first semester 922 00:51:29,479 --> 00:51:32,623 and a half waiting for them to make it accessible. 923 00:51:32,623 --> 00:51:33,879 What does that mean? 924 00:51:33,879 --> 00:51:37,493 That means that the whole time that I should be learning. 925 00:51:37,493 --> 00:51:41,031 I'm not because I'm not able to access the education. 926 00:51:41,031 --> 00:51:46,377 You're using me as your test subject, and really, I shouldn't be your test subject. 927 00:51:46,377 --> 00:51:49,206 So that's not fair on me, asking me, okay, well. 928 00:51:49,206 --> 00:51:52,979 And also, the other thing that was mentioned in this thread, 929 00:51:52,979 --> 00:51:54,942 which I was like, I'm so glad. 930 00:51:54,942 --> 00:51:59,580 Someone mentioned the fact that if you are using me as your test subject, 931 00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:04,767 you're expecting me to know before I even start the course what I'm gonna need. 932 00:52:04,767 --> 00:52:06,653 That doesn't make any sense! 933 00:52:06,653 --> 00:52:09,326 If I hadn't accessed this course before, 934 00:52:09,326 --> 00:52:12,392 and I've not been part of the structure before. 935 00:52:12,392 --> 00:52:16,794 How will know what adjustments need to be made before I've engaged? 936 00:52:16,794 --> 00:52:18,052 It's not possible. 937 00:52:18,052 --> 00:52:23,161 So, it's important that from before I get in, I'm welcome and I'm provided for. 938 00:52:23,161 --> 00:52:26,463 If everyone is provided for, then everyone's okay, 939 00:52:26,463 --> 00:52:28,271 no one falls though the gaps. 940 00:52:28,271 --> 00:52:33,382 But it's where you have the separations of who should be seen in institutions. 941 00:52:33,382 --> 00:52:35,426 There's also that that's not. 942 00:52:35,426 --> 00:52:38,725 >> So it's just a case of saying you need to be ready so 943 00:52:38,725 --> 00:52:40,533 you don't have to get ready. 944 00:52:40,533 --> 00:52:41,949 >> Yeah. >> Essentially now, 945 00:52:41,949 --> 00:52:45,328 the very last call is from an article on the guardian. 946 00:52:45,328 --> 00:52:46,193 And it states, 947 00:52:46,193 --> 00:52:50,913 a blind student facing deportation says university reneged on support. 948 00:52:50,913 --> 00:52:55,866 Now, this particular gentleman, his name is Pami Della, he's from Nigeria, and 949 00:52:55,866 --> 00:53:00,740 he was a blind student that wanted to start a PhD at the University of Dundee 950 00:53:00,740 --> 00:53:02,391 and he- >> He was sponsored to. 951 00:53:02,391 --> 00:53:06,873 >> Sponsored to so he had raised money by selling his own home in Nigeria. 952 00:53:06,873 --> 00:53:11,275 And also had money from a sponsor to be able to see him through his PhD. 953 00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:15,678 And he had been given assurances from the University of Dundee that 954 00:53:15,678 --> 00:53:18,194 everything possible would be done and 955 00:53:18,194 --> 00:53:22,362 everything would be in place to support him during his adoption.. 956 00:53:22,362 --> 00:53:26,214 So unfortunately, what happened was because of lack of care, 957 00:53:26,214 --> 00:53:30,932 essentially because of their failures, they essentially said that they 958 00:53:30,932 --> 00:53:34,235 were no longer going to support his student status. 959 00:53:34,235 --> 00:53:37,068 And he's essentially facing deportation. 960 00:53:37,068 --> 00:53:41,944 But remember, he sold his house, so he's facing deportation to destitution. 961 00:53:41,944 --> 00:53:43,201 He has no place to go. 962 00:53:43,201 --> 00:53:44,380 And he's a father. 963 00:53:44,380 --> 00:53:46,894 He has a wife and he has children as well. 964 00:53:46,894 --> 00:53:50,274 So when we are talking about failing students I mean, 965 00:53:50,274 --> 00:53:54,284 this is a failure in the highest order, it's gross negligence. 966 00:53:54,284 --> 00:53:57,193 And in the rest of the article it did state but 967 00:53:57,193 --> 00:54:02,460 this was not the first time that this had happened in this particular University. 968 00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:07,254 >> Yeah, and I think what's important to note here in this particular case is 969 00:54:07,254 --> 00:54:08,826 that he was doing the PhD. 970 00:54:08,826 --> 00:54:11,657 They didn't make the right provisions and 971 00:54:11,657 --> 00:54:16,296 he was complaining about the fact that provisions weren't being made. 972 00:54:16,296 --> 00:54:20,619 And that's when they said they will no longer going to support him. 973 00:54:20,619 --> 00:54:22,664 >> Because how dare he complained? 974 00:54:22,664 --> 00:54:23,214 >> Yeah. And 975 00:54:23,214 --> 00:54:27,775 that's the other thing that we mentioned, disabled people's voices 976 00:54:27,775 --> 00:54:32,729 are often stamped into the ground like we are not allowed to make complaints. 977 00:54:32,729 --> 00:54:34,853 Because why should you complain? 978 00:54:34,853 --> 00:54:39,493 We're giving you special treatment, no such thing It's called equity. 979 00:54:39,493 --> 00:54:42,637 And if you're able to walk through that door and 980 00:54:42,637 --> 00:54:45,624 come through and not have anything fall on you, 981 00:54:45,624 --> 00:54:49,711 why should I be grateful if I'm having to do an obstacle course? 982 00:54:49,711 --> 00:54:53,406 >> And that's the thing as well with being disabled person, 983 00:54:53,406 --> 00:54:57,494 it's as though we're told to rely on the generosity of others. 984 00:54:57,494 --> 00:55:01,111 This should not be generosity we should not be grateful. 985 00:55:01,111 --> 00:55:04,412 This should be something that there's a standard, 986 00:55:04,412 --> 00:55:07,556 this is a rights and we deserve something as such. 987 00:55:07,556 --> 00:55:12,271 But you should just be grateful that you could even come here as I started 988 00:55:12,271 --> 00:55:14,709 >> I was reading an article the other day. 989 00:55:14,709 --> 00:55:19,268 And they were talking about the idea that academics know are no longer, 990 00:55:19,268 --> 00:55:21,783 no longer have the weight that they had. 991 00:55:21,783 --> 00:55:26,577 And they were scared of a world where layman's words were being Heralded 992 00:55:26,577 --> 00:55:28,228 above those of academics. 993 00:55:28,228 --> 00:55:33,022 And it really made me think about this whole hashtag and this idea of who is 994 00:55:33,022 --> 00:55:37,268 meant to be an academian, who's not and whose voices we recognize. 995 00:55:37,268 --> 00:55:40,806 And it was interesting cuz on the one hand I'm like, yes, 996 00:55:40,806 --> 00:55:44,579 I do believe that there's something to be said for people. 997 00:55:44,579 --> 00:55:49,532 Being very engrossed in a particular area of study and learning everything 998 00:55:49,532 --> 00:55:53,774 there is to know about, all that they think there is to know about it. 999 00:55:53,774 --> 00:55:56,133 And trying to amass knowledge, right? 1000 00:55:56,133 --> 00:55:57,392 And understanding. 1001 00:55:57,392 --> 00:56:02,502 But at the same time if we're saying that academics are the only people who can 1002 00:56:02,502 --> 00:56:07,611 talk about particular subjects or who have any know how about anything in life. 1003 00:56:07,611 --> 00:56:10,362 And was saying that Lehman, like me, like Jay, 1004 00:56:10,362 --> 00:56:15,000 shouldn't have a voice and shouldn't be able to weigh in on any issues. 1005 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,635 I feel that that is, it's a small kind of indicator of a larger picture of 1006 00:56:19,635 --> 00:56:23,724 how we see the world or how certain people in society to be, right? 1007 00:56:23,724 --> 00:56:28,914 Because if we think about academia and who is studied and whose voices are heard. 1008 00:56:28,914 --> 00:56:32,845 When I started the counseling course, let's no talk about it. 1009 00:56:32,845 --> 00:56:37,563 When I started the counseling course, one of the things that I noticed was 1010 00:56:37,563 --> 00:56:42,280 that every single person was studying was an old white man from the 20s, 1011 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,617 every single person. 1012 00:56:43,617 --> 00:56:48,804 And it was their theories, other than one older white women I think from 1950? 1013 00:56:48,804 --> 00:56:50,063 >> Hashtag diversity. 1014 00:56:50,063 --> 00:56:55,095 >> [LAUGH] But it's like and these people's voices are supposed to be in all 1015 00:56:55,095 --> 00:57:00,600 of history the most important voices when it comes to counseling and psychotherapy. 1016 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,015 How? In all of the world, 1017 00:57:02,015 --> 00:57:05,868 the only people who know anything about human interaction 1018 00:57:05,868 --> 00:57:10,191 are from Europe between this period of time and that period of time. 1019 00:57:10,191 --> 00:57:15,064 What does it say about academia when academia focuses on a particular area 1020 00:57:15,064 --> 00:57:16,952 in a particular demographic. 1021 00:57:16,952 --> 00:57:21,589 If that's where your focus is, I'm very happy for laymen to take the mic, 1022 00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:27,721 very happy because what happens when, and we know this, even in science, you do. 1023 00:57:27,721 --> 00:57:31,652 Well, I was going to say, even in science, you do experiments and 1024 00:57:31,652 --> 00:57:34,323 you have to kind of, you can't just look at. 1025 00:57:34,323 --> 00:57:37,937 Okay, well, I wanna find out if these shoes are black and so 1026 00:57:37,937 --> 00:57:43,044 I'm gonna just look at these shoes and decide that every pair of shoes is black. 1027 00:57:43,044 --> 00:57:45,874 Now you have to get a cross section of things. 1028 00:57:45,874 --> 00:57:50,592 But in academia, we don't necessarily do that in terms of our sources and 1029 00:57:50,592 --> 00:57:54,052 we poopoo sources that aren't from this hemisphere. 1030 00:57:54,052 --> 00:57:58,688 And so I think it's important to think about those ideas that we have of 1031 00:57:58,688 --> 00:58:01,912 academia in relations to things like disability. 1032 00:58:01,912 --> 00:58:06,078 Because if we only think that old white men should be listened to. 1033 00:58:06,078 --> 00:58:10,085 There is no way that a disabled black fem or a disabled woman or 1034 00:58:10,085 --> 00:58:12,994 anyone else is welcome in these spaces, right? 1035 00:58:12,994 --> 00:58:14,329 Okay. >> Okay, next slide. 1036 00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:18,102 Cool, right, so on this slide, we have written disability and 1037 00:58:18,102 --> 00:58:19,439 the global majority. 1038 00:58:19,439 --> 00:58:20,854 We have three circles. 1039 00:58:20,854 --> 00:58:23,290 The first of what we have four circles, 1040 00:58:23,290 --> 00:58:27,692 the first of which features an outline of Ghana and the flag of Ghana. 1041 00:58:27,692 --> 00:58:32,411 The second which features an outline of the great African continent and 1042 00:58:32,411 --> 00:58:35,557 all the flags of the 54 countries represented. 1043 00:58:35,557 --> 00:58:40,273 We have on the next circle an outline of South America and all of that, like. 1044 00:58:40,273 --> 00:58:43,890 And as per usual, a very attractive picture of Kim and Jay. 1045 00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:48,215 >> [LAUGH] There's an attractive picture of us on every slide, yes. 1046 00:58:48,215 --> 00:58:50,653 >> [LAUGH] >> So essentially this slide, 1047 00:58:50,653 --> 00:58:53,325 which is We were talking, we wanted to talk, 1048 00:58:53,325 --> 00:58:56,312 just round off by talking about why do we exist. 1049 00:58:56,312 --> 00:58:57,885 Now got like two minutes. 1050 00:58:57,885 --> 00:59:00,714 And so we're just going to say that we exist 1051 00:59:00,714 --> 00:59:05,591 because we're trying to highlight the narratives of the global majority. 1052 00:59:05,591 --> 00:59:10,308 So that means not just staying in the UK, that means travelling around and 1053 00:59:10,308 --> 00:59:14,162 finding out the stories of people who exist outside of here. 1054 00:59:14,162 --> 00:59:17,857 Because it's very easy for us to say that Our stories and 1055 00:59:17,857 --> 00:59:22,182 stories of people in the Western Hemisphere are the only ones that, 1056 00:59:22,182 --> 00:59:26,350 Western Hemisphere anyway are the only ones that are important. 1057 00:59:26,350 --> 00:59:29,495 And that's a function of white supremacy, right? 1058 00:59:29,495 --> 00:59:34,370 The voices of people of color in these places are elevated was the voices of 1059 00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:37,751 people of color and other places are not listened to. 1060 00:59:37,751 --> 00:59:39,795 And we're not trying to do that. 1061 00:59:39,795 --> 00:59:41,132 So we're traveling. 1062 00:59:41,132 --> 00:59:45,455 And this year we're going to Ghana for about three months to go and 1063 00:59:45,455 --> 00:59:48,995 collect stories of people who are living on the ground. 1064 00:59:48,995 --> 00:59:51,433 That's the first place we're going. 1065 00:59:51,433 --> 00:59:55,915 And we're planning to go to other places in Africa and South America. 1066 00:59:55,915 --> 01:00:00,476 South America is actually the other place in the world has the highest 1067 01:00:00,476 --> 01:00:03,701 Population of black people outside of Africa and 1068 01:00:03,701 --> 01:00:07,160 gradually travel to other places in the world as well. 1069 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,912 But we're starting with those two places. 1070 01:00:09,912 --> 01:00:13,293 And we wanna speak to the change makers on the ground. 1071 01:00:13,293 --> 01:00:16,202 >> Yes. Definitely we want to speak to the people 1072 01:00:16,202 --> 01:00:20,683 that have been, The lived experiences of actually being on the ground, 1073 01:00:20,683 --> 01:00:22,177 being in these nations. 1074 01:00:22,177 --> 01:00:23,986 Because as Kim rightly said, 1075 01:00:23,986 --> 01:00:27,757 we know what it's like to be disabled black women in the UK. 1076 01:00:27,757 --> 01:00:32,629 To be a disabled black woman in Ghana, to be a disabled black woman in Nigeria, 1077 01:00:32,629 --> 01:00:37,502 we have absolutely no idea about what the structures that are in place what 1078 01:00:37,502 --> 01:00:40,645 it actually means to go about your day to day life. 1079 01:00:40,645 --> 01:00:43,317 So these are the people we want to speak to. 1080 01:00:43,317 --> 01:00:46,381 And we also want to speak with and get to know and 1081 01:00:46,381 --> 01:00:51,177 interact with people that work within the charity sector, within NGOs and 1082 01:00:51,177 --> 01:00:55,816 also the media because again, visibility, it's very important in using. 1083 01:00:55,816 --> 01:01:00,770 Our own platform to amplify and lift up all of these voices within Guyana and 1084 01:01:00,770 --> 01:01:02,579 hopefully around the globe. 1085 01:01:02,579 --> 01:01:03,207 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 1086 01:01:03,207 --> 01:01:04,151 >> Anyway. >> Anyway. 1087 01:01:04,151 --> 01:01:06,903 >> That is the culmination of the entire talk. 1088 01:01:06,903 --> 01:01:10,360 We sped through that last one, I hope that was all right. 1089 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,697 [LAUGH] Thank you. 1090 01:01:11,697 --> 01:01:12,955 >> All right, thank you. 1091 01:01:12,955 --> 01:01:16,640 >> [APPLAUSE]