1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:08,220 Exactly a year ago, on the 21st of January of 2018, Paul Romer, then chief economist of the World Bank, 2 00:00:08,220 --> 00:00:14,130 stepped down over scandals flaring up from his interview with The Wall Street Journal a few days earlier. 3 00:00:14,130 --> 00:00:23,160 In that interview, he suggested that the political leanings of bank staff may have manipulated the bank's high profile annual doing business rankings, 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:30,570 specifically in the case of Chile, who had dropped down from 34th to 55th in the ranking. 5 00:00:30,570 --> 00:00:34,050 During the socialist Michelle Bachelet administration, 6 00:00:34,050 --> 00:00:42,360 the steep decline had been due to methodological changes rather than any actual deterioration in the country's business environment. 7 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,390 Paul Romer's announcement was interesting in two ways. 8 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:54,750 One, The acknowledgement that the World Bank repeatedly changed the methodology of one of its flagship economic reports over several years, 9 00:00:54,750 --> 00:00:57,930 which unsurprisingly produced different results. 10 00:00:57,930 --> 00:01:08,310 And to that, these changes were often unfair and misleading to the point he claims of a politicised methodology that compromised the rankings. 11 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:16,140 The first contention pointed to the fact that the introduction of new metrics could be responsible for drastic changes in rankings, 12 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:20,040 rather than any meaningful change that actually happens in the fields. 13 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:29,220 And the second contention pointed to the fact that ideology, rather than data was driving, was driving key World Bank assessments. 14 00:01:29,220 --> 00:01:37,290 In Chile's case in particular, the bank's methodology appears to be in direct correlation with the country's politics. 15 00:01:37,290 --> 00:01:45,240 For a moment, various developing countries panicked. India, for instance, had just made it to the one hundredth place of the ranking. 16 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,310 A result that was actually an explicit policy policy goal by Modi's government. 17 00:01:50,310 --> 00:02:00,480 Nigeria had been congratulated for being amongst the top 10 most improved economies in the world, having moved up 24 places in 2017. 18 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,490 Naturally, neither wanted to see any changes to the report, which appeared to represent, 19 00:02:05,490 --> 00:02:10,560 let's say, an empathetic endorsement of the country's reforms. 20 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,570 So amidst rumours which risks the bank's credibility, Paul Romer quits, 21 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:25,440 quit and then quickly retracted and clarified that he was not aware of a single instance in which someone at the bank published fabricated data. 22 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,930 The bank ramped up the explanation for its methodology on the website in a quite defensive manner, 23 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:37,770 I have to say, in order to answer any sort of suspicions of irregularities and then moved on. 24 00:02:37,770 --> 00:02:45,150 And one of the most important interesting parts of this story was not that it reveals that the World Bank was possibly biased. 25 00:02:45,150 --> 00:02:49,710 Shocking, I know, but that's the scandal was itself unfair, 26 00:02:49,710 --> 00:02:54,300 since changes in methodology were actually a reflection of the concern over a 27 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:59,460 serious and bullet-proof process of gathering and analysing objective data. 28 00:02:59,460 --> 00:03:06,960 So controversy explained, the public could absolutely go back to trusting the institution's figures and rankings. 29 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,580 And so I know you're wondering why am I talking about Chile in an African studies 30 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:17,250 seminar or Nigeria when the case studies announced our Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau? 31 00:03:17,250 --> 00:03:22,200 The reason for this Khaled's introduction is that the anniversary of this episode surrounding the 32 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:28,500 World Bank reveals something that I've repeatedly found in the Mozambican and the Guinean cases, 33 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:34,230 and that illustrates the main argument of the book that donor assessments of 34 00:03:34,230 --> 00:03:40,350 success and failure of improvement or deterioration of progress or setback, 35 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:46,320 and the representations of recipient countries that come to prevail within the donor realm are 36 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:53,460 not simply objective appreciations of their performances by neutral and objective observers, 37 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:57,990 practitioners and analysts, as it's claimed. Rather, 38 00:03:57,990 --> 00:04:04,470 they are subjective appreciations of recipients trajectory with very concrete 39 00:04:04,470 --> 00:04:10,710 implications for the way these countries are known to us and then acted upon. 40 00:04:10,710 --> 00:04:18,870 So with this introduction, I'm going to develop my arguments by answering four research questions the the what question. 41 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:26,730 So reality is mediated and interpreted. So which particular account is conveyed by a given representation? 42 00:04:26,730 --> 00:04:31,620 The why question? So what purpose does such an account play? 43 00:04:31,620 --> 00:04:39,690 The how? How are these accounts produced and reproduced, contested, affirmed, etc. and the so what? 44 00:04:39,690 --> 00:04:44,430 So what are the implications of these particular representations? 45 00:04:44,430 --> 00:04:52,350 I'll try to address these questions from a poor structuralist perspective and using the examples of Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau more or less. 46 00:04:52,350 --> 00:04:58,500 To illustrate the argument, I won't be able to go into much detail because there's not that much space. 47 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:00,050 But first, I'd like to start. 48 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:10,220 What I find to be an interesting paradox that is at the centre of the research of my, of my research of the relationship between donor and recipients. 49 00:05:10,220 --> 00:05:16,880 So the Western aid industry labours under the assumption that its policies are the outcome of a rationalist 50 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:24,560 analysis of recipients performances where quantification plays a predominant role since the end of the Cold War. 51 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,820 Since then, there has been great emphasis placed on progress assessment, 52 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:35,150 bringing to the forefront of the of the AIDS rom, a focus on aid, effectiveness, performance standards, 53 00:05:35,150 --> 00:05:43,490 good governance and subsequently there has been a lot of monitoring and evaluation processes that produce measurable results, 54 00:05:43,490 --> 00:05:49,370 which in turn either incite or restrain renewed tranches of aid. 55 00:05:49,370 --> 00:05:54,440 So the new aid approach entails a significant focus on quantitative indicators in 56 00:05:54,440 --> 00:06:00,170 order to guide overall assessments of recipient countries and their trajectories. 57 00:06:00,170 --> 00:06:06,800 Now, quantification intends to produce knowledge independent of the researcher and by kind of 58 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,020 minimising the need for some sort of intimate knowledge personal connexions of the field. 59 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:18,320 In other words, the distance and personality of the scientific methods of data collection and analysis. 60 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:26,570 It's what makes it objective. And it's not objectivity in turn, which conveys the authority of expert pronouncements. 61 00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:31,610 And it's also key to making claims for universality and in this case, comparability, right? 62 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:38,060 Which is at the heart of rankings. And that's also why it has gained international acceptance. 63 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:46,220 Indeed, this this actually accounts for a lot of the prestige and power of quantitative methods in the modern age world. 64 00:06:46,220 --> 00:06:54,440 Yet numbers, graphs, tables, rankings are ultimately forms of social communication, 65 00:06:54,440 --> 00:07:02,510 so they're intimately bound to the community they relate to and the social identity of both researchers and subjects of research. 66 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:08,270 They're therefore subjective and dependent on the context in which they are created. 67 00:07:08,270 --> 00:07:13,940 This does not mean that there is no validity in relation to the reality they describe. 68 00:07:13,940 --> 00:07:21,170 It means, however, that these are not accurate or indisputable descriptions of the outside world. 69 00:07:21,170 --> 00:07:29,330 It's the process of social construction. So what matters is not so much reality per se, but how that reality is apprehended. 70 00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:36,740 So a first point here is that this is actually quite unreliable in plenty of these local contexts. 71 00:07:36,740 --> 00:07:43,340 So a certain degree of scepticism regarding data collection and methodology is undoubtedly warranted. 72 00:07:43,340 --> 00:07:47,990 But more important is not just about the fact that data might not be accessible, 73 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:53,570 it's also the question regarding who produces and how such data is produced. 74 00:07:53,570 --> 00:08:02,060 So here my contention, and hence the paradox, is that this sort of data collection, despite its mask of quantification and universality, 75 00:08:02,060 --> 00:08:11,900 is often and in particular in the donor realm, very personal and even intimate the opposite of what is intended or the mask that it carries. 76 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:13,130 So, for instance, 77 00:08:13,130 --> 00:08:22,580 data collection can often depend on the friends of the aid worker who owns a local company who gets hired to produce a particular report. 78 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:29,750 It's not the impersonal, universal or technocratic United Nations that comes up with these results. 79 00:08:29,750 --> 00:08:36,860 A country's assessment might be kind of finalised by a single desk officer being parachuted from the 80 00:08:36,860 --> 00:08:44,810 headquarters to talk to specific local people who were previously selected by a particular donor agent. 81 00:08:44,810 --> 00:08:47,630 You see what I'm what I'm getting at. 82 00:08:47,630 --> 00:08:56,990 So ultimately, these supposedly quantified measurements and assessments exist to convey in what has become a familiar and standardised format, 83 00:08:56,990 --> 00:09:10,400 a particular account. So from a structural perspective, eight facts do not speak for themselves there be spoken and spoken for, 84 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,670 and reality is not objective and needs to be interpreted. 85 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:22,820 So don't donor discourses are crucial in a articulating the way in which a recipient's reality is to be exposed. 86 00:09:22,820 --> 00:09:26,720 A closer look at any possible trajectory points to distinct realities, 87 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:32,930 with both negative and positive indicators often even contradictory, which needs to be interpreted. 88 00:09:32,930 --> 00:09:40,910 There are competing accounts of performance. So donor discourses will pick and choose, concentrate or ignore, 89 00:09:40,910 --> 00:09:50,060 emphasise or downplay donors criteria as much as recipients indicators in order to construct, construct the story they wish to convey. 90 00:09:50,060 --> 00:09:56,240 So the ultimate picture portrayed by these statistics is inevitably partial and often distorted, 91 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:05,150 as the story in Chile showed, so they're biased towards the outcome the actor actually wants to value. 92 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:12,770 There are always alternative interpretations and solutions. Some may be reconsidered, including those that was previously rejected, 93 00:10:12,770 --> 00:10:18,320 and this betrayal is ultimately produce dominant discourses of success or failure, 94 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,500 be it in particular sectors or kind of regarding the overall representation of a recipient country, 95 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:32,480 as happens with narratives, mainstream narratives on Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau. 96 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:42,420 So. And in the book manuscript, I look at the cases of Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau from earlier on, 97 00:10:42,420 --> 00:10:48,600 so I argue that the levels of success and failure attached to Mozambique in Guinea-Bissau precedes the 90s. 98 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:57,990 But for the sake of time, the 90s are the moments where this kind of quantification of assessments becomes prevalent from the 1980s onwards, 99 00:10:57,990 --> 00:11:03,060 accompanying a re-emergence of the people centred orientation in these priorities. 100 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:11,220 The criteria for measuring national economic progress were expanded to encompass not simply measures of economic growth rates, 101 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:14,790 which were long the privileged metric for assessing development, 102 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:20,880 but also a range of indicators selected and shaped to facilitate monitoring and evaluation. 103 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:26,340 So countries became increasingly evaluated, according to new indicators. 104 00:11:26,340 --> 00:11:31,500 Amongst these stands out, for instance, the UNDP celebrated Human Development Index, 105 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:39,360 which supposedly conveyed a broader and more comprehensive picture of the well-being or lack thereof of recipient countries, 106 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,900 and evaluations of success and failure in the accomplishment of aid. 107 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:49,770 Goals became central to the daily work of donor agencies since the 90s. 108 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:55,560 In this context, and in particular between 1992 and 2012, 109 00:11:55,560 --> 00:12:01,200 Mozambique's development record was hailed by the Western donor community as a success story. 110 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,910 While Guinea-Bissau remains inextricably linked to the label of failure, 111 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:14,880 these dominant discourses of success and failure associated with the two countries were broadly shared by the most prominent Western donors lenders, 112 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:20,640 advisors from the academic and policy worlds, as well as practitioners from top level managers, 113 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:27,180 field officers and intergovernmental western led inter-governmental and non-governmental organisations. 114 00:12:27,180 --> 00:12:35,430 So there was obviously the the discourse is never completely homogeneous, but we can point to a dominant hegemonic discourse. 115 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:39,990 So in what concerns? There are apparently divergent paths towards development. 116 00:12:39,990 --> 00:12:47,610 Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau were widely perceived to represent the epitome of what was ultimately right and wrong with Africa. 117 00:12:47,610 --> 00:12:56,130 There was praise and blame, optimism and pessimism tolerance with deviations from the prescribed model or harsh criticisms, 118 00:12:56,130 --> 00:13:03,210 and they characterised Western aids opposing discourses regarding the two states doing more or less those two decades. 119 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:08,970 And yet, Mozambican Guinea-Bissau have maintained throughout the post-Cold War era strikingly 120 00:13:08,970 --> 00:13:14,340 similar positions as measured in terms of those new indicators that came about in the 90s, 121 00:13:14,340 --> 00:13:20,220 namely the Human Development Index. So this is obviously a zooming in to these countries, 122 00:13:20,220 --> 00:13:28,290 but just pay attention to the fact that neither left the bottom 10 percent of countries in the Human Development Index since it was first created. 123 00:13:28,290 --> 00:13:35,160 So clearly there and in several of the years, Guinea-Bissau actually fared better than Mozambique. 124 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:45,270 The same when we're looking at trends since 98 up until 2005 and the same with the Human Poverty Index 125 00:13:45,270 --> 00:13:50,820 ranked rankings where they both fared quite badly compared to other countries and between the two, 126 00:13:50,820 --> 00:13:55,650 Guinea-Bissau actually fared better in some of these years. So indeed, 127 00:13:55,650 --> 00:14:03,390 the realities in Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau in these professed and celebrated indicators of the nineties 128 00:14:03,390 --> 00:14:11,130 were never as strikingly dissimilar or divergent to the extent suggested by the mainstream narratives. 129 00:14:11,130 --> 00:14:20,220 But they did have an impact in terms of transfers. So the the chances of it tended to accompany the labels of success and failure. 130 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:23,760 I can't really go into that debate now, but obviously with this graph, 131 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:33,810 it is actually striking how more and more aids in Mozambique does not appear to make a difference in terms of these same indicators, right? 132 00:14:33,810 --> 00:14:38,700 But so they're kind of two puzzles here, like the first one is on Mozambique. 133 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:43,950 It's Mozambique itself is a puzzle to Mozambique's performance versus the level of success. 134 00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:53,040 And the second puzzle has to do with the comparison between the two and the fact that they have some similar socioeconomic indicators of development. 135 00:14:53,040 --> 00:15:02,040 Yet they have opposite labels and perceptions from the West, the donor community. 136 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,920 So this leads to the main question, right? 137 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:12,000 So what then drives the Western donor community's labelling of a recipient country's trajectory as a success or failure? 138 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,090 And what are the implications of these labels? 139 00:15:15,090 --> 00:15:21,290 In other words, how do they come about, how they have been sustained or contested and what are they performative effects? 140 00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:33,900 So how productive are these labels? These discrepancies in terms of discrepancies in terms of the labels and the socioeconomic indicators, 141 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:41,370 namely in the case of Mozambique, which is a more studied case, are present in the critical literature. 142 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:49,860 But the more critical issues are still remains within a positive appraisal of the country's performances so it can test statistics. 143 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:53,250 It points to inaccurate portrayals on the part of donors. 144 00:15:53,250 --> 00:16:05,100 And my argument here is not to insist whether Mozambique is or is not a success or whether Guinea-Bissau is or is not a failure. 145 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:12,270 But to emphasise the existence of competing accounts and understands particular donors biases and subjective choices. 146 00:16:12,270 --> 00:16:21,480 So why is Mozambique consistently described as a success when an alternative story could plausibly be told in which you discuss as more of a 147 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:31,020 failure or and so what is interesting is not so much the fact that we can identify failures as well as successes in the Mozambican trajectory, 148 00:16:31,020 --> 00:16:36,720 but rather why and how the dominant narrative mainstream narrative came to focus 149 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,450 predominantly on the successes and minimised or accommodated the failures. 150 00:16:42,450 --> 00:16:47,400 The other point is, obviously, why is the fact that Guinea-Bissau is human development ranked consistently 151 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:52,230 close enough to higher than that of Mozambique ignored by the donor community? 152 00:16:52,230 --> 00:17:01,920 So donors play a significant role here in determining how the story is to be told and what representation prevails, 153 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:08,010 and within this post positivist approach that I propose that you might not agree with. 154 00:17:08,010 --> 00:17:11,550 I think it's quite interesting to understand how this is quite dialectic. 155 00:17:11,550 --> 00:17:20,010 So how are those that the discourse is shaped by the relationship and also constitute these relationships and return? 156 00:17:20,010 --> 00:17:28,350 The discourses of success and failure should be understood as shorthand for the representations for which they stand. 157 00:17:28,350 --> 00:17:33,030 And they should be interpreted. And that's one of the points that in a macro level analysis, 158 00:17:33,030 --> 00:17:42,270 this should be interpreted as basically a binary categories that translate the 159 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:47,100 positions of particular countries in the international power population context. 160 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:55,560 What I mean by that is that success and failure are new emergences of categories that we saw before that, 161 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:01,350 as in donor recipient or we saw before that as developed developing north south. 162 00:18:01,350 --> 00:18:07,590 So one way of looking at this in terms of the labels is to understand success and failure as 163 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:13,380 something that is attached to the recipient by the donor in the context of a power relation. 164 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:15,690 So at the macro level, one needs to understand, 165 00:18:15,690 --> 00:18:22,830 in particular case studies why it's important to attach the label of success to a particular country where the label of failure. 166 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:30,450 So what's what's happening in terms of this context of power relations and that I don't feel that this is enough. 167 00:18:30,450 --> 00:18:34,740 So there is another level of explanation that it is more of a macro level explanation. 168 00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:43,380 It has to do with the institutional and personal relations that are established between the donor and the recipient country. 169 00:18:43,380 --> 00:18:52,740 So there seems to be very clearly a an organisational imperative for both success and failure. 170 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:57,150 So the organisational imperative for success is relatively clear. 171 00:18:57,150 --> 00:19:02,070 There is a particular paradigm of a paradigm that is proposed by donor countries. 172 00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:07,560 They want to make sure that that AIDS paradigm is validated by what's happening in the field. 173 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:13,680 And and so claiming success stories here and there validates the model validates 174 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Western donor hegemony in terms of the relationship with the recipient. 175 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:25,050 But it's also important to have failed failed states or cases of failure because 176 00:19:25,050 --> 00:19:29,370 they also help in this what waits calls the art of paradigm maintenance. 177 00:19:29,370 --> 00:19:37,920 So the paradigm that this actually needs success and failure, and it works more or less in this kind of particular way. 178 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:45,450 So in the case of success stories, the donor attaches himself to the success. 179 00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:54,870 So you will go into, let's say, see this website, the Swedish Development Agency, and you will find more or less when it's talking about Mozambique. 180 00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:59,430 Sweden has been in Mozambique and has been a donor for Mozambique over. 181 00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:01,290 I don't know how many decades basically since. 182 00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:08,250 Deliberating the liberation war, and so it has a vested interest in showing its commitment to Mozambique, 183 00:20:08,250 --> 00:20:15,300 hence Mozambique's success reflects on Sweden as a donor in terms of its success. 184 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:27,000 It works differently in terms of the failed. Of the failure cases in which the donor community repeatedly endorses this way of 185 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,990 dealing with recipient countries are called failed states or poor performers, 186 00:20:30,990 --> 00:20:35,760 etc., which is to internalise blame and externalise the solution. 187 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:42,480 So basically, it detaches itself from the failure by saying that for whichever reasons that are internal to the countries, 188 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:50,310 these countries are failing, namely because they're not following the prescribed model or because their internal elites are intractable. 189 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:52,500 But it detaches itself from the failure. 190 00:20:52,500 --> 00:21:02,550 But it also is important in this aspect of the art of paradigm maintenance because donors are always looking for an opportunity to go back in. 191 00:21:02,550 --> 00:21:07,890 So even in the cases of failure, it needs to try and validate the model as well. 192 00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:13,950 And so these relationships might be more unstable and unreliable in terms of the connexion with the recipient, 193 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:21,600 but they are never completely scratched. There's there's always some sort of repetition. 194 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:29,100 So for the case of Mozambique, most reports between 2000 and 1992 after the end of the war, 195 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:37,980 the Civil War and 2012 because in 2013, the Mozambican case became more problematic for the level of success. 196 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:41,070 I'm sure you'll want to ask me if I said in the Q&A. 197 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:49,110 But Mozambique showed up as the example of an institutional of the organisational imperative for success. 198 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:50,760 So from Kofi Annan's quote, 199 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:59,310 the best possible antidote to the sceptics and cynics about Africa The Independent's headline Mozambique The Nation that proves aid works, 200 00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:07,420 or The Wall Street Journal of the Mozambique Miracle, obviously referring to the neoliberal transition or this one beating the odds. 201 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:17,580 So in the context of a complicated continent. Here's Mozambique beating the odds and sustaining inclusion in Mozambique's growing economy. 202 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:24,690 Guinea-Bissau has. This is also reflected in terms of Mozambique as a typical donor darling. 203 00:22:24,690 --> 00:22:34,740 So Mozambique has been amongst the top 20 recipients for the last four, basically three decades, 204 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:39,870 which is quite striking because Mozambique isn't a politically important like Afghanistan, 205 00:22:39,870 --> 00:22:46,860 for instance, although it has some some geopolitical importance. It's not comparable in terms of the geopolitics agenda of major powers. 206 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:52,980 And so it does the note some sort of investment in the success of the country. 207 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:59,220 Guinea-Bissau, on the other hand, was labelled as difficult partnership country poor performance. 208 00:22:59,220 --> 00:23:08,250 The Reuters hadn't had led a very interesting headline in news, saying donors have less chance to save the south from chaos. 209 00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:13,830 But then at the same time, every time there is some sort of change in Guinea-Bissau, 210 00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:22,500 then and in donors want to go back and they'll say something like supporting Guinea-Bissau, a fresh start to a more prosperous future. 211 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:26,130 Or Guinea-Bissau is ready to move forward with the support of the EU. 212 00:23:26,130 --> 00:23:31,080 So this relations up relationships are unstable because they fluctuate a lot. 213 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:39,900 But there is no complete destruction of the ties, right? 214 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:45,930 The other part of the of the arguments at the micro-level is in terms of personal relationships. 215 00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:53,430 So there their specific ties between donor agents and local actors that play a role in the discourse of success or failure. 216 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:57,990 Foreign aid, I hear, is more personal than the literature accounts for. 217 00:23:57,990 --> 00:24:11,280 It's not difficult to have to be on an interview with a donor agent and after one year, if not an interview, and it's just in the social context. 218 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:18,990 They will be saying things like, I like the XBMC. They can say things like Mozambicans are less aggressive than South Africans. 219 00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:25,710 I like it here. So there's there is a certain personal relationship with the with recipients 220 00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:31,660 that is important and this contributes to a certain bias and preconceptions. 221 00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:39,360 So and in some of my interviews, the the donor agents in Mozambique had chosen Mozambique. 222 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,440 They wanted to go to Mozambique because it was a success story. 223 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:49,530 It was they didn't end up there like happens a lot in Guinea-Bissau or it doesn't happen as often 224 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:55,560 in Mozambique as it happens in Guinea-Bissau to have job openings that are never actually filled. 225 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:01,820 So there's something personal about how these donor agents relate to the people in the field. 226 00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:11,930 It's also quite important in terms of network, so there's a clearer kind of network of donor agents of donors and not donor agents of corporates, 227 00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:19,100 as they call them in Mozambique, that has lasted since basically the 80s up until now. 228 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:24,890 So what I mean by this is that the idea that donor institutions are spaces of personal interaction and we tend in 229 00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:32,630 the literature to disregard this aspect of the constitution of relationships and how they can then be acted upon. 230 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:38,330 There's also another aspect here, which is a lot of these relationships do tend to become quite patrimonial. 231 00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:47,180 We see that very often in terms of the elite in these countries and how they relates to donors, but also other levels. 232 00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:53,090 It's important because obviously the the aid industry functions as from the 233 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:59,000 perspective of extroversion first works as a site for access for power and finance, 234 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,260 right? 235 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:09,770 There's also another quite interesting aspect of these personal relationships, which is how donors can actually be managed by recipient countries. 236 00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:18,290 So some recipient countries are extraordinarily skilful and strategic at mobilising the level of success and failure. 237 00:26:18,290 --> 00:26:29,060 So Mozambique, for instance, Frelimo has used several times for the movie The Party in Power since Independence in Zambia. 238 00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:37,280 Frelimo used the label of success attached to it by donors to claim internal success in terms of elections, et cetera, 239 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:45,230 and to basically cause a certain fear amongst internal voters that changing 240 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:50,900 to a different elite could cause problems with the international community. 241 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:56,390 On the other hand, Mozambique Guinea-Bissau has used the label of failure quite productively as well. 242 00:26:56,390 --> 00:27:08,720 When it says, we, you know, we this time this is a fresh start and we need to move away from this failed state and we really need your help. 243 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,490 So and we need funding for that. So they've mobilised this as well. 244 00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:22,520 So there's both institutional and personal relationships tend to work in a way that reinforces these labels and act dialectical. 245 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,940 So I don't have time to go into Guinea-Bissau, 246 00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:32,450 but I wanted to talk a bit about Mozambique's kind of tipping points and where the level of success comes from. 247 00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:39,950 So like I said, it actually starts quite before the '90s because it starts with the liberation war, 248 00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:47,030 which was considered an important moment for Mozambique's relation with the international community. 249 00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:51,740 And then it moves on to Mozambique as one of the important states in the 250 00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:57,080 anti-apartheid movements being basically subject to aggression by southern Africa. 251 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:03,410 And so there was a particular relationship with the donor community that led to Mozambique being seen 252 00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:11,270 as being on the right side of history and the right side of history meant funding and aid coming in. 253 00:28:11,270 --> 00:28:21,950 The next moment is the end of the Civil War in 1982, where basically Mozambique becomes a project of the international community's intervention. 254 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:26,540 So the mediation of the Civil War is quite internationalised. 255 00:28:26,540 --> 00:28:33,860 And so the the social community has a role to play in Mozambique's success from the beginning from the end of the Civil War. 256 00:28:33,860 --> 00:28:38,210 And that is then reflected on the international community being committed to making sure that the 257 00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:45,680 peace agreement is sustainable and that is translated into a peacekeeping mission in Mozambique. 258 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,460 There are all sorts of praises of that U.N. peacekeeping mission, 259 00:28:49,460 --> 00:28:54,410 and it becomes also later a model for the international financial institutions with 260 00:28:54,410 --> 00:28:59,870 incredible growth rates which don't actually translate into human development. 261 00:28:59,870 --> 00:29:06,770 But incredible growth rates are shown to basically as Mozambique as an ideological success. 262 00:29:06,770 --> 00:29:09,470 Mozambique is also involved in democratic transition in the 90s. 263 00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:16,190 That is basically that's why the whole continent of Africa and Mozambique does not remain a side. 264 00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:22,340 And this is continuously translated into an increase in the number of donors and then and 265 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:32,670 also the more coordinated efforts on the part of donors to be invested in this story. 266 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:38,820 So the idea here is that there is what I show in more detail in the book is that there is 267 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:46,770 basically a success success being constructed because the label works in a very productive way. 268 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:58,510 So when there's successful mediation by, in this case, an Italian NGO, Mozambique becomes a success case for a second track mediation. 269 00:29:58,510 --> 00:30:03,990 So look at how it worked so well here. Lessons learnt. Let's look at Mozambique. 270 00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:08,760 Then it's also successful conflict resolution to the end of the Civil War. 271 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:16,680 The peace agreement is is shown to be an important example and also the UN, the UN peacekeeping success. 272 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:24,570 So in all of these moments, Mozambique is being showcased and the more it is showcased, 273 00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:32,550 the more donors come in and the more donors are invested in maintaining the success post-conflict reconstruction is, 274 00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:36,840 suppose supposedly goes quite well in terms of the mainstream narratives. 275 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:44,670 Up until 2013, when there renewed hostilities, which the international community had a difficulty trying to kind of accommodate. 276 00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:46,860 But all these impressive economic growth, 277 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:55,350 multiparty democracy just basically meant that Mozambique and headlines on Mozambique and most reports were an outlier in terms of what were, 278 00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:59,740 generally speaking, quite depressing accounts of other African countries. 279 00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:06,660 So it kept being showcased, sent and unseen, but always as something that was Western sponsored. 280 00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:16,140 That donor community that the donor community had a vested interest in this prevailing representation 281 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:22,950 of success has basically originated a particular favourable predisposition on the way. 282 00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:31,710 Mozambique is treated and was treated, namely during this period, and this also helps explaining why the level of success was so sticky, 283 00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:41,580 even as there was growing criticism of this mainstream narrative. 284 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:50,730 There is some what I call coping strategies on the part of donors when the dominant, the dominant narrative is faced with contestation. 285 00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:58,380 So one strategy is to basically just kind of ignore that there is something that is not a success. 286 00:31:58,380 --> 00:32:06,570 And these are strategies that I saw from reading endless reports by donor agents or interviews. 287 00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:12,930 So another one is to replace. So if this figure isn't particularly favourable to Mozambique, maybe this one is. 288 00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:20,340 And so let's highlight this one instead accommodates in the sense of justifying failures that need to be acknowledged. 289 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:25,500 They can't be hidden, not materialising in the sense of marginalising criticism. 290 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,740 So criticism that was seen to be too harsh, 291 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:38,820 they were marginalised from the dominant discourse or ultimately even hiding facts that were contradictory with the dominant narrative. 292 00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:46,740 These strategies basically reveal donors biases and preconceptions, and I'll just give you a couple of examples. 293 00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:55,470 So one of the thing that was striking to me in reading lots of the reports during this time was that even though we had this overall discourse of 294 00:32:55,470 --> 00:33:05,970 how human and everyone here knows what's the Human Development Index because it was celebrated as an incredible indicator of country's well-being. 295 00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:10,350 And so parallel to that discourse that said that this is such an important indicator, 296 00:33:10,350 --> 00:33:18,840 it kept not being mentioned in reports because the basically as we as we saw in the earlier slides. 297 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,040 Mozambique never really left the bottom 10 percent of countries in terms of Human Development Index. 298 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,000 And so it was a problematic statistic. And so for a long time. 299 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,280 Same with Human Poverty Index. And so it was Human Poverty Index. I can't even remember when it was mentioned. 300 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:39,030 It was just kind of not not mentioned at all and ignored. 301 00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:44,700 On the other hand, if you read reports on Mozambique, they tend to emphasise it on Guinea-Bissau. 302 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:51,150 They tend to emphasise particular aspects. So, for instance, this one assumes that automatically. 303 00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:59,700 According to the Human Development Index, the country is ranked 178 out of 188 countries and remains one of the poorest countries in the world. 304 00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:04,290 Over two-thirds of the population survives on less than one point nine dollars a day. 305 00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:12,540 This is like the introduction to one of the World Bank reports. There is no hiding here. 306 00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:14,700 Another of the strategy was replacing, 307 00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:21,930 so some figures are contested because there are others that relates more or less to the same topic that have different figures. 308 00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:29,550 So for instance, Sweden does this. Sweden has been an active development partner with Mozambique since independence in 1975 and is 309 00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:35,940 currently one of the largest bilateral donors in the country see how it attaches itself to Mozambique. 310 00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:40,230 Its present portfolio includes a long term support to the province of Niassa, 311 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:44,790 and Yasa has historically been one of the poorest and most isolated provinces in the country. 312 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:49,680 But it has also seen one of the largest and most consistent drops in its poverty rate from sixty 313 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:56,730 nine point four percent to forty one forty four fifty four point one to thirty one point nine. 314 00:34:56,730 --> 00:35:05,610 This was in 2008 2009, when there was a lot of criticism on the fact that Human Poverty Index in Mozambique wasn't actually showing much results. 315 00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:11,880 There were lots of critical reports saying that some advancement in terms of particular categories 316 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,860 of people that had risen above the poverty line were basically replaced by other people. 317 00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:21,120 And so there was some stagnation in terms of the fight against poverty. 318 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:28,410 What Sweden does is choose a particular province where there was a decrease in poverty, 319 00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:34,950 as opposed to looking at the overall figure, which was contesting the dominant narrative and more unfavourable. 320 00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:44,220 The IMF in 2009 chooses a different survey that shows reduction of poverty in Mozambique from 69 percent to 53 percent. 321 00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:51,870 This is a contest of statistics, but that's the one they're using. In this way, IMF report. 322 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:56,280 On the other hand, Guinea-Bissau gets like the full picture and more. 323 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:04,500 So Guinea-Bissau has suffered from decades of political instability and remains a fragile state since its independence in 1974. 324 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,610 There have been four coup d'etats, along with many additional coup attempt. 325 00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:15,960 The highest number in the world. There is absolutely no need to emphasise this part of the highest number in the world. 326 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:24,810 But the comparison shows here as a way of basically introducing the country. 327 00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:30,750 Another example of accommodation so Mozambique is this is in 2013, the war ended in 92. 328 00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:37,140 Mozambique is still recovering from the effects of a protracted civil war that ended 16 years ago and destroyed 329 00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:42,450 much of the country's key infrastructure while delaying investment and development of basic services. 330 00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:49,440 And the report goes on to show the improvements in comparison with this introduction or the NDP. 331 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,980 Mozambique's reconstruction and recovery have been remarkable, and they are widely recognised as a success story. 332 00:36:55,980 --> 00:37:00,390 Notwithstanding this, there are some major development challenges facing the country. 333 00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:02,880 So see how in Guinea-Bissau they start off with. 334 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:09,450 This is the poorest country in one of the poorest country in the world has a huge amount of commodities where Mozambique is. 335 00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:18,990 This is going well. Of course, there are some challenges, so the language attributed to one or the other is quite striking in terms of difference. 336 00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:22,900 There's also quite a peace and a peaceable when it comes to Guinea-Bissau. 337 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,940 So this desk officer for Guinea-Bissau that I interviewed said in a really 338 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:31,290 kind of frustrated there was a there was a lot of attitude in his interview, 339 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:38,280 and he was clearly frustrated when he said enough about the civil war he was 10 years ago to move on, 340 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:46,170 stop using it as an excuse to compare to the reports on Mozambique, where they're like Mozambique is still suffering from civil war. 341 00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:54,390 There's a big difference in interpretation. This is one of my favourite quotes from interviews on Mozambique. 342 00:37:54,390 --> 00:38:04,230 This is from a defence staff member when I was asking him precisely about the critics of the dominant narrative on Mozambique. 343 00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:11,130 He stepped back and he said, Well, you know, we need to shield Mozambique from what he called extreme criticism. 344 00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:14,790 And I took that to mean unfair criticism. 345 00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:20,130 So if you take and he explained, what if you take into account the fact that Mozambique was one of the poorest 346 00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:24,450 countries in the world not that long ago and that it had a big civil war, 347 00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:30,330 et cetera, you can't just be too harsh on the criticism. 348 00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:39,630 On the other hand, for Guinea-Bissau, there is this this is the last opportunity for Guinea-Bissau after this, no more, which obviously never happens. 349 00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:43,750 But even like scepticism is always kind of prevalent in the discourse. 350 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:50,760 So this this this news from Reuters quoting a Western diplomats anonymously. 351 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,800 But this election, Bissau is trying to play the part of a democratic state. 352 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,330 The big question is, will they just be going through the motions or will it be for real? 353 00:39:00,330 --> 00:39:07,380 So there's a lot of get the scepticism kind of flowing through here. 354 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:15,590 Another strategy that donors use was actually to completely. Height problems with the Mozambican with Mozambique. 355 00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:22,070 So when there were elections in Mozambique where there were accusations of fraud, 356 00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:28,220 the the discourse on Mozambique was that there were some irregularities, but everything was fine. 357 00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:35,900 But then, thanks to WikiLeaks WikiLeaks cables, we find that the US Embassy in Maputo is sending cables to the State Department, 358 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:41,780 where he says that the US Election Observer Missions report is very displeased. 359 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:49,610 Diplomats from several EU member countries criticise the kid gloves approach in failing to apportion blame on the ruling Filemon Party for 360 00:39:49,610 --> 00:39:57,710 the flawed election cycle and the US Embassy fears that this country is more likely to slip further away from a multiparty democracy, 361 00:39:57,710 --> 00:40:08,570 something that was not said out loud publicly about the elections at the time, but then it was kind of hidden in these cables. 362 00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:11,300 Guinea-Bissau, on the other hand, gets the other type of treatment. 363 00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:18,050 When we're discussing the problem of drug trafficking Guinea-Bissau, it's called the first narco states in the world. 364 00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:23,060 And this US Drug Enforcement Agency official that's quoted in The Guardian says basically that 365 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:28,790 Guinea-Bissau is a failed state and drug trafficking is like moving into an empty house. 366 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:36,440 So it's just everything is kind of out there from that perspective. This has very clear political implications. 367 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,860 I'm just mentioning one example that I find quite interesting. 368 00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:45,080 So Mozambique becomes eligible for funding for the Millennium Challenge account in 2005, 369 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,710 even though it didn't meet the criteria and they justify like this. 370 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:54,230 Mozambique was one of the three countries of the Millennium Challenge account, the Millennium Challenge Corporation, 371 00:40:54,230 --> 00:41:01,460 determined to be eligible for NCAA funding, even though they did not fully meet the selection criteria. 372 00:41:01,460 --> 00:41:11,780 The MTC board determines that although Mozambique is racing against NCAA criteria was at or below the median in relation to other candidate countries, 373 00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:19,580 and the italics are mine. Mozambique's progress and achievements were not adequately reflected in the indicators. 374 00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:24,890 So even when the indicators excluded Mozambique from being part of the Millennium Challenge account, 375 00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:29,990 someone overruled indicators and said, Well, generally speaking, the progress is subjective. 376 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:36,710 Progress of Mozambique merits its being eligible to for this funding. 377 00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:41,780 On the other hand, Guinea-Bissau has had conditionality on conditionality being imposed. 378 00:41:41,780 --> 00:41:46,310 There's a serious problem in terms of lack of disbursement of aid pledges, 379 00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:52,430 so donors will say we'll make pledges over the next two months and then very rarely they actually fulfil it. 380 00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:57,980 There's instances of aid suspension for two three years for large periods of time. 381 00:41:57,980 --> 00:42:06,840 This is a country that so more or less foreign assistance is represents 80 percent of Guinea-Bissau national budget. 382 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,950 So it's entirely dependent on the exterior aid. Suspension is a big thing, and there has been donor withdrawals. 383 00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:22,040 So people like Sweden literally closing up and leaving, so just to finish up and as tentative conclusions. 384 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,780 I think the two cases show that there is biases and preconceptions, 385 00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:32,540 all sorts of values and even emotions at the core of the decision and policymaking processes, 386 00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:38,030 even though they're supposed to be counter to the decision and policymaking processes. 387 00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:46,460 But they're actually at the centre of it. And donors active role have an active role in interpreting these facts, supposedly facts on the ground. 388 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:52,370 The discourse here available and the discourse of success and failure are particularly 389 00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:56,270 performative because they become intrinsic to the processes of knowledge, 390 00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:58,430 knowledge production and policymaking. 391 00:42:58,430 --> 00:43:06,290 So if there is a discourse of success, facts on the ground are going to be interpreted according to that main narrative, 392 00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:12,090 or they're going to be considered outliers and neither explained or eventually contests the dominant narrative. 393 00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:17,600 But there is a dominant narrative that gets constructed. 394 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:25,010 The other point that I find important is that there is nothing inevitable or natural about the construction of Mozambique as a success, 395 00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:26,930 or Guinea-Bissau was a failure. 396 00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:35,930 It has a lot to do with a particular context in time in which Mozambique played a particular role in shaping and validating Western global hegemony, 397 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:44,270 namely when in the 90s, the U.N. and other donors were prepared to enter a new phase of internal interventionism, 398 00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:51,560 and Mozambique kept validating all the prescriptions, or was seen as validating all the prescription, the prescribed models. 399 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,790 And so at that moment in time, it played a crucial role. 400 00:43:55,790 --> 00:44:00,440 And then it was a matter of kind of reinforcing this discourse. 401 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,610 And then at the micro-level, 402 00:44:01,610 --> 00:44:12,290 I think it's quite striking the type of relations that are established between donor institutions and personal donor arrangements with the local. 403 00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:20,090 Actors in producing and reproducing these labels, I also find that there was like this with this example of the Millennium Challenge account, 404 00:44:20,090 --> 00:44:28,160 that there is a sort of feedback loop so the label becomes constitutive of donor relations and then it helps to maintain the label. 405 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,680 So if Mozambique had been excluded from the Millennium Challenge account, you would have had less funding. 406 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:43,250 And if that was happening in several other instances, it might not have been the success story that was labelled between those those years. 407 00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:50,540 So narratives of success and failure, they get attached and then then they allow us to act upon it in a particular manner. 408 00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:59,990 It also in wider I mean, the more wider understanding these labels temporarily freeze donor recipient identities. 409 00:44:59,990 --> 00:45:05,060 So it's very hard for Guinea-Bissau to get out of the label of failure. 410 00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:14,270 It's basically constructed as a problematic case, and it's very hard to remove itself from that constraint. 411 00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:24,080 Another just to conclude, obviously, another important awareness here is that labelling is in itself a technique of exercising power. 412 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,750 You have the label low and the labels. 413 00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:36,380 Even if the label can manipulate the label a bit to its advantage, it's still in a very imbalanced power relations that this happens. 414 00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:40,310 And another point is that labels can actually become obstacles to peace and development. 415 00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:47,120 And I think the Mozambican case and the fact that for a long time the dominant narrative of success heads a 416 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:54,050 lot of the problems with that trajectory show that these labels can actually become obstacles in the end. 417 00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:58,478 Thank you very much.