1 00:00:00,270 --> 00:00:10,260 I am going to talk about them two days and wall up and the reforms of President John Law and so. 2 00:00:10,260 --> 00:00:21,240 First, I will may have a short background about the angle and what led to the present situation. 3 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:29,380 Then I will talk about the reforms that Lawrence is engaging, in fact, is when big reform is, 4 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:40,110 we are going to see, Oh, I'm going to defend, then we will see the some of the consequences of the reforms. 5 00:00:40,110 --> 00:00:52,650 And finally, I will make some analysis of do the reforms to be a provisional and now, he says, the reforms that, you know, are an ongoing process. 6 00:00:52,650 --> 00:01:00,660 So maybe things are not what they appear now or maybe they will be different or not. 7 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:06,750 We don't know for sure no one's now. So the conclusion will be provisional. 8 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:11,520 Well, let to begin. Let us begin with the basics. 9 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:20,790 And voila, is the country what we can call off? War and hope sinks night in 1961. 10 00:01:20,790 --> 00:01:26,190 It has been in war. And what what we can call a liberation war. 11 00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:33,810 That liberation war against Portugal. The former colonial power endured deals. 12 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:38,550 74, then a revolution occurred in Portugal. 13 00:01:38,550 --> 00:01:46,290 But in that revolution led to independence of Angola in seventy five in seventy five, 14 00:01:46,290 --> 00:02:00,000 three or four months after the signing of some agreements that were going to to produce independence, the Civil War began in Angola. 15 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:13,050 The Civil War took place with some eyes and downs, but took place between seventy five and twenty two. 16 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:22,650 So it was a very long civil war war after twenty to twenty thousand two. 17 00:02:22,650 --> 00:02:36,390 Angola began what we can call a process of reconstruction that did not went well, and we are going to talk about it. 18 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:49,170 Um, Anglo is a very rich country, is nowadays the third largest economy in sub-Saharan Africa after South Africa and Nigeria. 19 00:02:49,170 --> 00:02:54,210 It has plenty of all diamonds. Those is it. 20 00:02:54,210 --> 00:03:11,790 And also very good. The waterways and splendid conditions for agricultural in regarding natural resources is a very it is a very rich country. 21 00:03:11,790 --> 00:03:28,590 Since 79, we have had President Bush and President Bush was one example of the big man in Africa who was president from 79 till 2017. 22 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:32,600 The first president of Congo after independence was a poet. 23 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:38,520 Then the medical doctor called existing net wealthy was him. 24 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,300 Is there so called in Moscow, in Soviet Union? 25 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:54,020 Then in not very clear circumstances, even today, we don't know exactly what weighs this up and what we know exactly. 26 00:03:54,020 --> 00:04:04,770 It was substituted by Russian descent was a man famous for his silence and is famous for doing nothing. 27 00:04:04,770 --> 00:04:10,290 And so sometimes those could be the more injuries. 28 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:24,810 So even threat to power in 17:09 is a non dangerous man because he was always silenced in the in the back of the room, 29 00:04:24,810 --> 00:04:32,160 and he stayed there until last year. He was president first in a Marxist regime. 30 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:40,950 Then he presided to a transition towards a kind of democratic regime. 31 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:53,550 And after that, in twenty ten, he presides all through another kind of regime, also a democratic, so-called free democratic regime. 32 00:04:53,550 --> 00:05:00,470 Well, what what is true is that in 2016 27. 33 00:05:00,470 --> 00:05:07,670 Angola was one of the poorest countries in the world as a stagnant economy. 34 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:11,330 And was it corruption everywhere? 35 00:05:11,330 --> 00:05:28,490 So no one really wanted Dos Santos to continue, and there was a very strong, popular pressure to change things and and change it. 36 00:05:28,490 --> 00:05:34,650 At least at first of names happened, and then third, the new president joined. 37 00:05:34,650 --> 00:05:41,860 What else do you see as the the one with the bowing to the former chief audience, 38 00:05:41,860 --> 00:05:48,540 who was the former minister of defence of Lushan, was from the same party? 39 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:56,600 Let's say that it was the same. Parties seen 75 feel now that occupy power in Angola. 40 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:10,580 The party called MP Del. And so, and the election of Lawrence was a lot of accusations of fraud happened. 41 00:06:10,580 --> 00:06:21,500 I participated in some of the discussions and it happened that the votes on the local polls were not transmitted to the regional polls. 42 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:27,020 And then some results appear in the regional polls, and we don't know why. 43 00:06:27,020 --> 00:06:37,070 Well, but. So what what else was seen as a continuation of the regime? 44 00:06:37,070 --> 00:06:52,260 Another one. But since the beginning else, we initiated a novel historic and proposed and is the main aim was to fight corruption and is serious. 45 00:06:52,260 --> 00:07:01,770 We are going to see is that through fighting corruption, we create a series of consequences that we led to economic development. 46 00:07:01,770 --> 00:07:05,760 So corruption. Well, I'm anticipating the argument. 47 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:19,740 So what does put it's so is main aim was to fight corruption and why fighting corruption is the main objective of the new president. 48 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:25,470 And we can say of almost all the Angolan society. 49 00:07:25,470 --> 00:07:32,430 This is a picture that the team, I guess I'm part of it took at the one the morgue. 50 00:07:32,430 --> 00:07:38,580 And it's an example even the morgues don't do not function at one that at one the 51 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:46,500 morgue each family carries these yellow jerry cans carries the box for that, 52 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:52,080 and they have to wash themselves. They are. There's weeds of the water of jerry cans. 53 00:07:52,080 --> 00:08:05,580 They put the best in the box and they treat everything. So even even in death, there is no welfare, no institutions function, innuendo. 54 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:11,730 And from this sweat, the small, small fact we have the big facts. 55 00:08:11,730 --> 00:08:23,400 The IMF found, for instance, in Twenty Twelve Me, thirty two billion of US dollars disappeared from state budget. 56 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:37,320 We don't know why. Since 2014, the economy is in recession or stagnant malaria and epidemics killed a lot of people every every year. 57 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:43,380 So those are facts we have to say. 58 00:08:43,380 --> 00:08:49,530 In the end, it is. It's the same time who did the. 59 00:08:49,530 --> 00:09:02,070 The idea is that corruption kills. The idea that was pre-facelift in Angolan society is that corruption kills is not the question of some ministers. 60 00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:13,080 If a cut of five percent and the rest continues, the cut sometimes is off and off percent because in exchange we have the morgue. 61 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:29,550 But we have the president and the family of prison in and with yachts, with a lot of wealth and showing their wealth around the world. 62 00:09:29,550 --> 00:09:33,300 And that is the problem of corruption in Angola. 63 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:47,340 Somehow sowore's right to fail and beat about what they call good corruption or the corruption that they put the the economic function. 64 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:48,780 In that case in Angola, 65 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:59,670 with the amounts diverted from the public treasury were so way that they influence the lives of the population and the development of the economy. 66 00:09:59,670 --> 00:10:07,440 So in the demonstrations that people use that mean corruption, criminal yawned. 67 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,060 That means corruption in your scribe is the worst crime. 68 00:10:12,060 --> 00:10:15,960 Now he's seen that's the worst crime in Angola. 69 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:25,890 As we are going to see further corruption is not exactly what we call technically corruption because under the mantle of corruption, 70 00:10:25,890 --> 00:10:30,300 there are a lot of behaviours, different behaviour. 71 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:37,800 So when we talk about corruption, we are not talking about the roles that command international transparency concepts, 72 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:43,890 but of the more large or broad gossip. 73 00:10:43,890 --> 00:11:01,800 The story of corruption in Angola is now all linked to what the economists call the frontiers of possibilities of production and costs of opportunity. 74 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:13,620 We have here the good, the famous, the famous war if we produce. 75 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:21,510 Guns we don't produce, but if you lose, but you don't produce guns, it's the usual single economics. 76 00:11:21,510 --> 00:11:30,930 What people say in language, if we if corruption, we don't have economic development, 77 00:11:30,930 --> 00:11:37,020 if we have a way of economic development, we have to erase corruption. 78 00:11:37,020 --> 00:11:43,800 So there is a direct link as there is the famous link of gangs and but there is 79 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:51,720 a direct link between them corruption and economic good economic development. 80 00:11:51,720 --> 00:12:00,000 And why that link because of the amounts, for instance, 81 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:12,930 in the programme of yellow fever that are supposed to gnaw which Norway that support some programme of yellow fever for for combat yellow fever. 82 00:12:12,930 --> 00:12:22,020 It was discovered that another percent of the programme was taken off by the minister and this stuff. 83 00:12:22,020 --> 00:12:26,400 It was not the question of five percent or 10 percent. 84 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:32,910 It was a question of Anderson and the percent. So we that huge amounts. 85 00:12:32,910 --> 00:12:44,430 It's impossible to tolerate to tolerate any longer corruption because it's a question of option between development and corruption. 86 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:53,520 So the essential theory is that combat corruption will make available a huge amount of money. 87 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,110 It will create a new climate of confidence for investment as well, 88 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:07,830 if the obstacles to free operation of the markets and their productive forces and economic growth will happen. 89 00:13:07,830 --> 00:13:22,290 It is not usual to link corruption directly to the idea of economic development, but these the the the well is the bit. 90 00:13:22,290 --> 00:13:32,010 Of Jewel, what else? But that means that the concept of corruption is not the legal concept, as you know, 91 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:41,660 the legal concept is that corruption is a crime connect to receive certain amounts to perform or not certain acts. 92 00:13:41,660 --> 00:13:51,150 Your corruption is more seen as a system where the state a bit more a bit has happened in South Africa, 93 00:13:51,150 --> 00:14:01,320 but a broader and larger as some people occupy the state. 94 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:08,460 And so that occupation they used the state to their own benefit. 95 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:13,920 What are killing Bambi called the privatisation of sovereignty. 96 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,960 In practise, it was what happened. 97 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:32,790 The story goes now in Angola, the privatisation of sovereignty means that in-wall was a state withdrawal, but without population population. 98 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:44,610 In fact, war was not important to political power because they didn't pay the taxes they did to enrich the political power. 99 00:14:44,610 --> 00:14:46,650 The taxes came from the oil. 100 00:14:46,650 --> 00:15:02,010 So the important thing was to protect the oil and the businesses so we can call while the kind of states that didn't need population. 101 00:15:02,010 --> 00:15:06,570 Well, those were the concepts. 102 00:15:06,570 --> 00:15:14,220 Those were the concepts that are in the base of the sort. 103 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:19,470 Well, we don't look at the inner workings of the brain of the young audience, 104 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:30,950 but as far as we can see through the conversations and the advisers and the sort of enquires and research 105 00:15:30,950 --> 00:15:38,940 that the previous concepts were the ones that were in the base of the sort of glorious Lawrence. 106 00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:51,510 Also, to a certain extent, the IMF and World Bank adds the same sort as when George Oriels announced these reforms, 107 00:15:51,510 --> 00:15:58,620 they revealed in a the projections concerning GDP and economic development. 108 00:15:58,620 --> 00:16:03,450 It was an error, but we are going to talk about it later. 109 00:16:03,450 --> 00:16:09,360 So we chart the reforms. The first reform is the risk. 110 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Sorry. The research was very important because Gloria, so almost every day, even for you, 111 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:27,300 now speaks that its main aim is to combat corruption and impunity beyond do. 112 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:37,140 There is sorry. We have what we can call the reforms or the changes that he has tried to make. 113 00:16:37,140 --> 00:16:42,940 The former. The first one was the dismissal of former leaders linked to president. 114 00:16:42,940 --> 00:16:46,740 Russia is famous Dr. Isabel Docents. 115 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:52,680 That is, the the richest human in Africa, according to Forbes, was the message. 116 00:16:52,680 --> 00:17:06,510 This message from the CEO of Sun and Gold, the oil company is son of the shell that we call Xenu. 117 00:17:06,510 --> 00:17:09,540 That means it's an abbreviation for Joseph. 118 00:17:09,540 --> 00:17:19,410 Your means to search was dismissed from the sovereign fund, and there was a general change of the guard, let's say. 119 00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:30,300 So the first thing was the dismissal, mostly of the family of the former president, but that is not unusual. 120 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:34,650 The second one was the abolition of someone monopolies. 121 00:17:34,650 --> 00:17:39,810 For instance, Isabel doesn't have the monopoly concerning diamond trade. 122 00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:46,530 And there were some tender contracts concerning the construction of dams. 123 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:52,380 This was all news or abolish or abolished. 124 00:17:52,380 --> 00:18:00,030 Then we have the political empowerment of the torno attorney general to prosecute personnel, 125 00:18:00,030 --> 00:18:07,770 exposed persons in peace and the powers that there is New Jersey's lesson. 126 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:13,920 But the general powers of the general attorney did not change. 127 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:20,500 What changed was the political impulse, he was told. 128 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:30,050 That's. Now, it was time to prosecute the former Vipers, and some prosecutions began. 129 00:18:30,050 --> 00:18:46,130 And the most famous was the arrest of the son of the former president, chairman of the sovereign fund and also of the former minister of Transport. 130 00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:58,640 With no prayer, no prisons, we had three or four cases, one case of a transfer of five hundred million dollars to one of them. 131 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:09,170 I should say that London is always what we can call the perfect financial centre for all financial operations. 132 00:19:09,170 --> 00:19:14,390 In the end, concerning gets to be single and I suppose most of Africa. 133 00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:25,430 But in the UK, authorities announce that transfer and it created. 134 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:29,240 A case, but this case is going on. 135 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:39,260 The state has recovered the money but is going after and we have also new suggestions for asset recovery, 136 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:45,950 so the focus is to match or is in asset recovery. 137 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:53,690 The president wants to recover all the assets that are around the the legislation as we are going to see later. 138 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:58,220 There's not one, but the most in what we can call. 139 00:19:58,220 --> 00:20:08,480 The symbol of the reforms is a person is in that arrest and it is the arrest of the son of the former president. 140 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:15,520 He is now free, as I will explain later. 141 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:24,880 So what were the first effects and consequences of those kind of reform who are not economically were not economical? 142 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:34,240 The the and the leash of economic productivity of economic investment of foreign direct investment did not happen. 143 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:42,100 Well, we have to say that we have only a year of the reforms, but few now the economy. 144 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,930 The economy is still stagnant. 145 00:20:43,930 --> 00:20:57,370 The effects were to a popularity rise of Lawrence in Angola, and now he has the kind of legitimacy that he did not have sued the elections. 146 00:20:57,370 --> 00:21:03,370 But now is he has a residence, the children of the former president. 147 00:21:03,370 --> 00:21:08,820 And this means the children of the former president is a popular guy, you have to say. 148 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:15,760 And it is a good international environment he's received in the capitals of Europe. 149 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:22,300 He's well received in USA, but he's also well received in China and Russia. 150 00:21:22,300 --> 00:21:42,450 Yes, that good capital. Those are the effects. However, the reforms and what they have, what they call some ambiguities and the symmetries first. 151 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:49,410 Those were reforms based on risk, sorry. And the legal cases and works. 152 00:21:49,410 --> 00:21:54,270 Wind blows words as we know and concern illegal cases. 153 00:21:54,270 --> 00:22:00,510 The question is that that that cases are now crumbling. 154 00:22:00,510 --> 00:22:08,730 What begin with great strengths from judicial now only when minister is under arrest? 155 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:14,120 One and there were a lot of ministers and generals. 156 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:26,250 And it does not seem that the cases are going forward effectively then to prosecute. 157 00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:32,310 It seems a lot of trampling what I call trampling of the rule of law. 158 00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:41,850 If, for instance, members of Parliament were detained without authorisation of Parliament Billy Bathgate, 159 00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:52,680 but then the courts were agreements were made. But the law prohibits it's it's forbidden, according to one goal in the law two way of plea bargains. 160 00:22:52,680 --> 00:23:03,870 No, it's not as Brazilian or the Westgate law. No specific structures were created to combat corruption. 161 00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:14,760 In fact, the deal last month, there was only one single prosecutor with all the cases. 162 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:22,650 More VIPs were left outside the general sweeping than inside Manuel. 163 00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:28,920 If you sent these men here with might michele them of Brazil is an example. 164 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,840 He was prosecuted in Portugal. The former Portuguese, 165 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:46,320 the former colonial power due to questions of corruption and the new president was introduced 166 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:55,800 in the diplomatic battle with Portugal to avoid and was successful to avoid that prosecution. 167 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:10,230 And V.S. is considered by journalists in the investigative agencies the most corrupt of the past because he was the head before. 168 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:17,640 Isabel dos Santos, the daughter of the Russians because it was the man of SonicWall, it was the oil man. 169 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:27,480 So he is considered the worst. And even though he is considered the worst, he has the protection of the new president. 170 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:37,200 So what we see is that same thing happened, but not very much. 171 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:44,480 And in the end, the main objective that was equal economy recovery did not happen. 172 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:51,570 The economy continues without any growth in the year. 173 00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:59,760 The IMF and World Bank, yeah, maybe they are confirmed the position of full Roma. 174 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:06,720 That's a day off for former research director of the World Bank. 175 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:18,630 That said that most sometimes there now is these are buyers due to political considerations, and it seems they saw Lawrence. 176 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:25,710 We're now seeing a great sweep against corruption. And they revised the numbers of economy. 177 00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:34,110 And then after one year, the numbers were completely different, different because the fundamentals of the economy. 178 00:25:34,110 --> 00:25:49,560 They did not change. So we have here a cartoon of the most famous cartoonist of Angola called Sergio beside him. 179 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:56,370 This is the President Claudius. He has six fight against corruption. 180 00:25:56,370 --> 00:26:03,660 This is hope that the people are getting less. 181 00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:08,270 Oh yeah, the that they're winning. 182 00:26:08,270 --> 00:26:16,590 Is, we say, government, all masses and attorney general misses. 183 00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:24,060 And this is now look what we can call in the in the cartoon. 184 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:36,060 The results of the reforms, the hope is diminishing and the devil is winning, according to what we can call the popular view. 185 00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:47,150 This is from May. I suppose these four might be these these two. 186 00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:58,040 Of course, there were other reforms. A new private investment law, the reorganisation, a restructuring of SonicWall. 187 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:08,150 But what people think is without success in fighting corruption, that the reforms will be useless. 188 00:27:08,150 --> 00:27:14,690 The great argument is this if we don't fight corruption, we can reform everything. 189 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:22,550 But in the end, everything will stay the same. 190 00:27:22,550 --> 00:27:34,130 So beginning with conclusions, there is, in fact, a feeble fight against corruption and we can make. 191 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:39,170 We can choose two ways to see what is happening in Angola. 192 00:27:39,170 --> 00:27:51,350 The first way, the first of first, the reality could be that in Angola, exactly the same as in China with Xi Jinping, 193 00:27:51,350 --> 00:28:06,170 the fight against corruption is mainly a way to reinforce the political power of the new president. 194 00:28:06,170 --> 00:28:12,950 So it's a way to and in the end is to reinforce political power. 195 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:20,420 Now it's more popular to fight corruption than to embrace the corrupt. 196 00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:29,910 And so through that that policy, the president in the end will stay stronger. 197 00:28:29,910 --> 00:28:40,590 Another explanation for what is happening, this man with the glasses is a former Portuguese prime minister called Marcel. 198 00:28:40,590 --> 00:28:53,130 K10 is the last prime minister of the dictatorship that tried to open the dictator's ship to democracy, 199 00:28:53,130 --> 00:29:02,820 and people say that's flushed to the left and turned to the right because he has made very nice speeches. 200 00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:06,360 But in the end, he has adopt. 201 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:20,910 We can call for simplifying fascist policies because not because it was his intention, but because the oligarchy of the regime obliged him. 202 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:27,690 And so maybe the same is happening with Joan Lawrence. 203 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:35,220 Maybe, yes, it tries to be and that chance of change. 204 00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:43,920 But the structure of the regime will not lead to change because it checks the structure of 205 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:57,210 regime is strong based on the previous arrangements and will only allow cosmetic change. 206 00:29:57,210 --> 00:30:07,290 So I don't know. The question is, is that if this is the result of more insults, 207 00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:20,040 refurbishes will remain if this sees the result of arrest last week, if it is the result or not of Lorenson reforms. 208 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:26,340 Nevertheless, I know I want, I want to. 209 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:36,780 I want to put these out. Nevertheless, the gates are open them and this is the open. 210 00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:47,040 The new speech of Lawrence and the certain new freedom has put people now in Angola discussing 211 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:55,950 seeing seriously and do we have here with the form with the famous civil society leader? 212 00:30:55,950 --> 00:31:01,380 I work. They now fulfilled the cinemas meetings of conferences. 213 00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:12,060 So there is what we can call a new political awareness that the reform, even if they are, they don't. 214 00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:25,220 They don't succeed. The people will, if we will try to make them succeed with their own own exigencies. 215 00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:33,240 So what? I believe that even if the reforms fail and they seem they have failed, 216 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:41,430 what is not failing is that the gates are opening and and it will be difficult to to return back. 217 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:56,340 And I have to add that at the same time, E are the C, even in Zimbabwe, in South Africa, in Mozambique, changes are occurring concerning the former. 218 00:31:56,340 --> 00:32:04,530 The former regimes are, you see, you are full also because Angola is at permanent, 219 00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:17,130 a permanent role in the changing in the DRC, DRC and so maybe in that region, things are changing generally. 220 00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:22,360 And that's it. Thank you for your attention and I hope. 221 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,712 That I've been clear about it. Thank you.