1 00:00:00,350 --> 00:00:05,920 So I'm very grateful for Emily joining us today, who I phoned, I think, just two weeks ago. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:12,640 Yeah. You know, and very kindly moved heaven and earth to be here in two weeks. 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,460 So thank you very much. Okay. 4 00:00:17,460 --> 00:00:23,670 So I'm not maybe quite as established in my career as the other speakers. 5 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:31,860 I'm still sort of quite an early stage and I'm still not entirely sure what I want to do next. 6 00:00:31,860 --> 00:00:38,490 That might be a useful perspective, but I am, as you can see, at Watson Manor, 7 00:00:38,490 --> 00:00:47,760 which I'm sure a lot of you have been to, because Oxford has the internship programme with Watson, which I did. 8 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,760 And it's relatively close. And I think now the first years do a trip there. 9 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:04,380 What they did, because I had to it a couple of weeks. So I think I'll just explain about about what I do and how I got there. 10 00:01:04,380 --> 00:01:09,600 And just a little bit of what I've learnt along the way with some nice, 11 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,100 pretty pictures of what's done, because it is a really beautiful place to work. 12 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:20,770 And sometimes you have to sort of step back and realise that it is quite a privilege to go to work here every day. 13 00:01:20,770 --> 00:01:26,490 And so I am assistant registrar at Watson. 14 00:01:26,490 --> 00:01:31,860 I'm also the collection manager of the Rothschild Foundation Art Collection, 15 00:01:31,860 --> 00:01:43,230 which has a complicated relationship with Watson that basically runs what Stern on behalf of the National Trust, who own Watson. 16 00:01:43,230 --> 00:01:47,170 So a little bit about the history of what's the matter. 17 00:01:47,170 --> 00:01:56,070 As Bill 1870 is the 80s, 90s by Baron Ferdinando Rothschild of the famous banking family. 18 00:01:56,070 --> 00:02:02,320 He didn't have any children, so were on his death. It pass to his sister who didn't have any children also. 19 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,870 And on her death, it went to her cousin James and his wife, Dorothy. 20 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:14,640 And it was James who left it to the National Trust in 1957. So we've got sort of a long established relationship with National Trust. 21 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:24,360 But part of that gift was that a term of it was that the property would always be run by a trust which has some family involvement. 22 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,150 So what that means is that although we are a national trust property and we've got strong links with the National Trust, 23 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:41,070 we are semi autonomous, which means that we do things maybe slightly differently to the National Trust and we're an accredited museum as well. 24 00:02:41,070 --> 00:02:52,830 So it's quite a sort of unique situation because it's a heritage industry, historic property, but with a museum quality collection. 25 00:02:52,830 --> 00:03:05,010 And we function in many ways as a museum. But we also have trustees of a charity and an academic committee who approve the strategic move. 26 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:10,650 So there's a lot of complicated structures in place. 27 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:13,670 I'll just show you as well. This is an A. 28 00:03:13,670 --> 00:03:21,150 The red drawing room, which is a good example of the kind of collections that we have a lot of French decorative arts. 29 00:03:21,150 --> 00:03:28,680 You see the carpets from the Louvre Palace. There's Louis the 14th in the middle as Apollo. 30 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:38,700 So we've got a lot of really amazing things set of porcelain and English, 18th century paintings amongst all sorts of other things. 31 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:47,370 So what I do as a read, as a assistant registrar and collections manager, basically put the registrar's job, 32 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:53,700 which also entails my job is basically recording information about all the objects 33 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:59,910 in the collection and managing the movement and changes to those objects. 34 00:03:59,910 --> 00:04:05,910 So information basically reflects the reality of what is actually happening in the collection. 35 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:11,460 So the movement of object, it involves new acquisitions. 36 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:15,210 The National Trust Don't Acquire is a static collection, 37 00:04:15,210 --> 00:04:21,180 but the Rothschild Foundation collection and other long term loans we acquire through the foundation. 38 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:25,260 So we acquire contemporary works. 39 00:04:25,260 --> 00:04:31,170 We acquire other historic works that are in line with our collections and also objects 40 00:04:31,170 --> 00:04:36,960 that have family and historical associations to the estate and to the family. 41 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,390 So I am involved in the acquisition processes. We are. 42 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:48,330 I also helped manage exhibition lines in and out out of the manor. 43 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:59,070 So that involves a lot of organising, insurance, transport, framing, you know, logistics of making an exhibition actually work. 44 00:04:59,070 --> 00:05:03,910 We also. I don't think obviously doesn't happen in a contemporary gallery. 45 00:05:03,910 --> 00:05:08,350 We have to prove provenance of objects that loaned in. 46 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:17,720 So we have to do due diligence to show that they weren't ever sort of Nazi looted or any sort of suspect history. 47 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:24,010 So to prove that the person who is lending the object to us has a rightful claim to that object. 48 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:28,660 So there's you really have to prove your provenance. You have to have strong evidence. 49 00:05:28,660 --> 00:05:39,010 So that's quite a lengthy process. And, you know, we're gearing up to our open season now, so or that exhibition planning is underway. 50 00:05:39,010 --> 00:05:46,300 I also help arrange and courier trips for objects that we loan out and we loan all over the world. 51 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:51,310 In the last year, we've loaned to the Kremlin Museum in Moscow. 52 00:05:51,310 --> 00:05:57,880 We've loaned to Japan in the past states and around the UK. 53 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:11,830 And I have a slightly cheesy action shirt shot picture of me in Bath because we lent this Lucian Freud portrait to the Hober Museum. 54 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:16,810 So I'm condition reporting. And so that's a fun part of my job. 55 00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:19,240 I've done some career trips, 56 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:29,830 which is interesting because you get to really look at the work place up and get to work with people in other museums and institutions. 57 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:37,720 And then so basically, when any object comes in and out of the collection for exhibitions or conservation or study, 58 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,850 it all has to be reflected in our paper files and in our collection database. 59 00:06:42,850 --> 00:06:48,880 And also movements within the collection. So I have to keep track of everything. 60 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:55,180 I also work to maintain the collections database, which is nearly 22000 objects. 61 00:06:55,180 --> 00:07:05,490 So. Yes, a big project that we're doing, what Stern is trying to make collection database available online, 62 00:07:05,490 --> 00:07:14,610 which involves lots of interesting stuff, which I have done some curatorial work for that, including this catalogue. 63 00:07:14,610 --> 00:07:27,300 But it's also quite a lot of slightly laborious making sure that the data in the database is in the right format to be uploaded to the Web site. 64 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:32,220 I also manage their inventory processes at. 65 00:07:32,220 --> 00:07:39,600 So we do an annual inventory of the entire house and theoretically it should be the entire collection. 66 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:49,290 But in practise, it's all of our display areas. And we're gradually working to inventory this sort of difficult store areas, 67 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:56,760 which are sort of a nightmare because you're dealing within as sort of the limitations of the historic spaces. 68 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:06,210 So some of our storage conditions aren't ideal. We've just had a new archive centre built two years ago. 69 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:11,100 So all of our archive material is now housed beautifully. 70 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:19,260 But you are dealing with the limitations of historic spaces, say the inventory or the queries from the inventory come to me. 71 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:28,560 And I have to do all of the detective work in a historic paper files to try and work out where things have been and often what they are. 72 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:40,490 Because when it comes down to architectural elements and books and outside sculptures and things like that, it's sometimes a bit confusing. 73 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:48,600 And also to try and make sure that the collection data actually matches what is on the ground, 74 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:56,670 because a lot of our database was built up from historic documents at the original bequest and subsequent gifts. 75 00:08:56,670 --> 00:09:03,360 And so it's marrying up that data with the reality of the object. 76 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:11,820 I also work with security and how stewards to work on our disaster planning. 77 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:21,900 And so that's basically we have it's part of being an accredited museum is that you have to have a plan for in case of an emergency. 78 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:28,170 So fire or flood or anything else really, that you know how to approach the collection. 79 00:09:28,170 --> 00:09:34,110 So you have the most important objects that have to be rescued first and handling 80 00:09:34,110 --> 00:09:40,230 directions for all of these things and the logistics of how that work on the estate. 81 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:43,710 And I also do some curatorial work. 82 00:09:43,710 --> 00:09:54,340 So I have done online catalogue and cheese. And I'm at the moment writing a trail around the collection of objects that have Russian connexions. 83 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:59,580 So that's my sort of background. An interest is in Russian art. 84 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:09,150 So I'm working on that project. At the same time, I'm planning for future exhibitions. 85 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:20,490 So how I got here, I completed my B.A. here in 2010 and then I did a six week internship at Ashmolean 86 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:27,420 over that summer in the print room and I was cataloguing the Kisoro drawings. 87 00:10:27,420 --> 00:10:30,960 And it was really interesting. I mean, those sort of over 500 works. 88 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:36,930 And it was good because I built a built up skills as sort of object handling. 89 00:10:36,930 --> 00:10:39,870 And it was really good to look at things in detail. 90 00:10:39,870 --> 00:10:50,010 And I was trained on the database, which is a useful skill, but it was quite repetitive, but it was useful. 91 00:10:50,010 --> 00:10:55,380 And that was that was an unpaid internship. But my expenses were paid. 92 00:10:55,380 --> 00:11:00,990 And so because it was a short, short term thing, it was sort of doable. 93 00:11:00,990 --> 00:11:09,160 And then I got the internship. What's done through the relationship with Oxford? 94 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:16,750 Which was paid and had accommodation. So that was sort of a doable option for me. 95 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:21,730 And that basically led to a position as a curatorial assistant. 96 00:11:21,730 --> 00:11:30,480 So I did all sorts of things that was done from cleaning the fountains with a toothbrush. 97 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:41,650 You have to get rolling up historic carpets and then inviting exhibition text and helping with the organisation of exhibitions. 98 00:11:41,650 --> 00:11:46,770 And that was fun because I got to work with some sort of more modern and contemporary things. 99 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:55,930 So I wrote the text for a poor sculpture and I helped deal with the loan of some Andy Warhol prints. 100 00:11:55,930 --> 00:12:04,120 So it was quite fun. It was sort of varied and worked an exhibition of Italian Mollica, which I knew nothing about and do now. 101 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,800 So that's good. You know, giving tours also. 102 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,990 It's basically whatever I could. 103 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:21,130 And so I think that's sort of the message is that it was I was very lucky to have the opportunity to do those internships 104 00:12:21,130 --> 00:12:30,190 through being here and those internships being part of the relationship with the university department and other institutions. 105 00:12:30,190 --> 00:12:37,840 But then I sort of went for it as much as I could. And so out of that came something that was paid. 106 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:44,740 And that was interesting. And I got some experience, basically. 107 00:12:44,740 --> 00:12:57,580 And then I left word stern after about nine months to do my masters, which is actually in Russian studies, but with sort of an art historical focus. 108 00:12:57,580 --> 00:13:03,400 And that was at the School of Slavonic and East European Studies at UCL. 109 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:09,400 And that finished in 2012. 110 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:18,800 And I came. I had a bit of a crisis then applying for anything I could really and not getting much in the way of responses. 111 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:30,340 And it's a bit depressing. And then I got some part time cataloguing work back at Waldstein, which was maternity cover. 112 00:13:30,340 --> 00:13:36,760 And so, you know, having built a good relationship with them was really my in to that. 113 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:49,870 And then in February of last year, the opportunity came for another maternity cover, which was this assistant registrar position. 114 00:13:49,870 --> 00:14:02,830 So which I am incredibly lucky to get because a registrar position, as in development, is a highly sort of professionalised area of museums. 115 00:14:02,830 --> 00:14:08,740 So most people coming into a position as an assistant registrar or as a registrar have 116 00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:15,130 some sort of postgraduate qualification in museum studies or heritage management. 117 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:20,950 I mean, you can learn on the job, but it's difficult to get the opportunity to learn on the job. 118 00:14:20,950 --> 00:14:28,720 So I'm incredibly grateful for the experience that I've got in the last year. 119 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:35,280 And my job, this particular role is sort of coming to an end. 120 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:43,630 But I'm moving into a more curatorial position, which is what I would like to do longer term. 121 00:14:43,630 --> 00:14:51,730 But some benefits of working in a sort of collections management role is that you work with virtually everyone else in the organisation, 122 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:58,120 which curators don't necessarily have the opportunity to do. 123 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,940 I also work with the entire collection. 124 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:12,040 So instead of having a sort of curatorial specialism, I do have a sort of overarching view of how how Wasdin works as a whole. 125 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:18,100 What our strengths are, you know, that the whole range of our collection. 126 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:24,250 And it's also a good job for making other contacts with other institutions, 127 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:31,990 because you sort of an inherent part of the job is that your negotiating relationships between 128 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:50,025 institutions that you're lending to and who are lending to you with external conservatives,