1 00:00:01,170 --> 00:00:03,150 Welcome this bud. 2 00:00:03,150 --> 00:00:11,240 Cost is being brought to you by the friends of the Godling, the friends who supported the work of the Portland libraries for almost a century, 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,930 and members enjoy a range of exclusive events and digital content. 4 00:00:15,930 --> 00:00:27,380 You can join the friends today online visit. Bob Lindop at the U.K., Spanish Princess Wardian or Ivan. 5 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:35,280 Renowned fox is a mediaeval charmer. An anti-hero, a rascal, a scallywag. 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:42,070 Like Odysseus police. A justice of the many wilds, Rainard is a trickster. 7 00:00:42,070 --> 00:00:47,770 He also embodies storytelling itself, its exuberance and fertility and danger. 8 00:00:47,770 --> 00:00:58,400 As I Zabbaleen rate, the Fox knows many things and watching this year is not extricate himself from the consequence of his own misdeeds. 9 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,370 Again and again, the very last minute, rather like Sheherazade in this puzzle. 10 00:01:03,370 --> 00:01:11,790 And one night Rennard has his wits and his silver tongue as his weapon against the abuses and threats of Supreme. 11 00:01:11,790 --> 00:01:20,080 His adventures are also interwoven in this chain of story. Several of them from an even older narrative tradition of animal fables. 12 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,660 St1 tales and classical parable. 13 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:34,190 So Rennard has found it Ann-Louise, every most lively match, a retelling sparkles on every page it takes as its starting point. 14 00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:45,280 William Claxton's prose translation of the 14 81, which was a hugely popular stories like when it was based on a satire 200 years earlier, 15 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,650 Gold ran all the books imposed by the London Boogaloo again. 16 00:01:50,650 --> 00:01:56,950 But Vilhelm was himself drawing on more ancient material about the cunning escapades of the Fox News arch enemy. 17 00:01:56,950 --> 00:02:03,990 It's a grim war. The cast of characters is large and highly coloured and very lively in the back. 18 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:15,210 It's Ingram, the will lady Emmeline. So Reynolds, why are they all contribute to Louise's vivid portrait of a mediaeval war, which in turn, 19 00:02:15,210 --> 00:02:23,330 perhaps especially now speaks to political plotting and disgraceful deals anywhere at any time? 20 00:02:23,330 --> 00:02:29,360 In the tradition of animal fables, this comic was a parody of mediaeval chivalry. 21 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:39,780 And at the same time, an original series of wonderfully funny episodes, which Ann-Louise relates with ingenuity and horrific spirit. 22 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:45,060 Louise, how did you come across this mediaeval work and what attracted you to this great work? 23 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:49,710 The great task of rendering it in a new contemporary version? 24 00:02:49,710 --> 00:02:54,650 Well, I'd known the health of rainout since I was quite little little girl. 25 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:58,520 My my father, who with. Left and the right. 26 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:08,470 The his name was Rono. And he used to tell me when I was little, but he was bright these things he said his name with with the populace and. 27 00:03:08,470 --> 00:03:14,880 And he was very much like rain on that land. And some of the rain out in my lip. 28 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:23,850 So I knew about rain, not from being little. And I, I knew a few stories about, you know, isn't there anything else in the eye and the bucket. 29 00:03:23,850 --> 00:03:28,650 And then they're going up and down in the well that I had this bit of background knowledge. 30 00:03:28,650 --> 00:03:39,210 But it was when I started looking and working with a couple of Anglo-Dutch academic. 31 00:03:39,210 --> 00:03:45,930 I had a staff from the University of Bristol and who would leap out and we put working on an put 32 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:55,660 that Fulda both in and put that about Anglo's that little big change in the mediaeval period. 33 00:03:55,660 --> 00:03:59,390 And it was out the back that we hoped it wouldn't be nice. 34 00:03:59,390 --> 00:04:05,920 The Ricoh with health, the brain. And initially it was going to be a children's. 35 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:12,330 But when I started looking at and then I began by myself. 36 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:20,830 But. A great big a fan and a great big investigator and intensive. 37 00:04:20,830 --> 00:04:29,370 We selling it. It was more than that, a alibi about having a triple income. 38 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:33,090 Oh, well, though I found that I wrote and write and write. 39 00:04:33,090 --> 00:04:45,030 And initially I was right about the 5000. What Nick grew and grew to embrace the aura of everyone, both and I think still a delight. 40 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:50,680 Instead, it was about one hundred and forty thousand. What I mean, we cut it down a bit, but. 41 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:59,170 Yeah. Runout. As so many facts that the story and the character that it is, you know it. 42 00:04:59,170 --> 00:05:06,640 And so are more than one manuscript, I think more than one billion. 43 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:12,140 Right. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. There's the an early one. 44 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:16,340 And without any illustration, which I look at. 45 00:05:16,340 --> 00:05:24,440 But there's one and there are a couple more. But the one I really absolutely adored was one from I think 16, 20. 46 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:31,730 That was then the No. Robert Burton, who wrote The Anatomy of Melancholy both. 47 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:35,540 And he thought his binz of ghostlike and it on the. 48 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:40,800 Hey. Oh, Bebe. And you can see that, Mama. Some of the funny bit. 49 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,800 In the in the volumes, 50 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:51,940 I like to think I'm reading it and I'm thinking someone who's having a bad day when he was overwhelmed by the lack of breathing. 51 00:05:51,940 --> 00:05:57,700 Is your brain out there and staring? It is marvellous. 52 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:02,720 You've actually this this idea that it's so many pages is because you've expanded it. 53 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:10,010 Yeah. I would say it was cornu bizarre that you feathered and pushed the original. 54 00:06:10,010 --> 00:06:16,590 That's right. And um. And what. So tell us a little bit about the process then. 55 00:06:16,590 --> 00:06:27,520 Well for the reader on the way. Yes. So I, I, I had a copy of then and as I was once I translated I said when I went through it very slowly, 56 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,570 I looked at all the language in the story and I. 57 00:06:32,570 --> 00:06:36,470 Am I right? Translate that. But then I embroider it. 58 00:06:36,470 --> 00:06:44,720 So for example, the bird in the back is painful and with free rein on it and bring him back. 59 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:50,380 And then. Then it's the bath the paragraph is in. Had done it it in the paragraph. 60 00:06:50,380 --> 00:06:57,680 Ruin the ball. It goes up hill. It's a bit of a slow the rain. 61 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:04,010 And I expand it back into. Danny where Bruin is is eating in USA. 62 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:09,780 And that means terrible trouble. And this brother done it. 63 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:17,540 It didn't get in trouble. And he was absolutely terrified right now on heathy. 64 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:22,450 Or is where there really aren't any. And so it banned very much that. 65 00:07:22,450 --> 00:07:27,410 So that's kind of basic expansion, writing and writing more about something that's already there. 66 00:07:27,410 --> 00:07:31,740 And then I also put in it. But I haven't been there before. 67 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:35,660 Including the parrot. So there's that. 68 00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:46,490 There's one parrot with them. We're in great uncle. And I put them in and he sort of up a bit like think about set all over the place. 69 00:07:46,490 --> 00:07:54,960 You know, people are suddenly talking about doing in some being but an in orbital, you know, one in the loop. 70 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:06,640 And I think that that was quite a neat thing that they. Would you like to read a passage that gives a sense, a sense of what this that this path is? 71 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:12,850 This is a grim bought the bad. He's run out back. Friends just manage to get wait. 72 00:08:12,850 --> 00:08:19,870 And finally I run up. You really can't hang around anymore and face the music. 73 00:08:19,870 --> 00:08:27,420 And they've spent a long night walking across lawns from a group amongst that again. 74 00:08:27,420 --> 00:08:31,580 And this is when they're entering the city again together right now. 75 00:08:31,580 --> 00:08:35,000 A bit nervous because the United States is in terrible danger. 76 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,880 That really. Ray, not in green, but across the river led by the Booton. 77 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:50,390 It was the day of the Berrima and the. Everyone's so bad at the book is and reputation spread far and wide. 78 00:08:50,390 --> 00:08:58,540 Some of his old old back in hard, the acid returned. By this point, Poeppel with the visceral thrill of entering the evening thinking noise, 79 00:08:58,540 --> 00:09:03,400 the glory of his tape whirling around in like Robin Hood, the outlaw badlands. 80 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:09,400 Look, he's right it and boom through the sweet back flapping Brett waving hi. 81 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,300 Winking at the ladies, exchanging Pocklington seat with the soap. 82 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:19,490 But again. By the time the pair had reached the mike right now, Tom had thoroughly but with the crowd. 83 00:09:19,490 --> 00:09:24,320 It began with those noby groundlings up at the house. They got it all wrong. 84 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,730 How could such a witty and unpretentious book be a murder? 85 00:09:28,730 --> 00:09:33,800 By contrast, when it was best known in the quote, that rainout finally been brought to justice by his old friend Grimm. 86 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,420 But there was none. So all night, no so lacking in pain or friends. 87 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:42,780 They didn't ready themselves to make an accusation and what they used, 88 00:09:42,780 --> 00:09:49,370 but growing even longer than those that were making out of the main hall and into the courtyard. 89 00:09:49,370 --> 00:09:54,980 I know that you actually travelled. Thank you. That was one. I know that you travelled quite a bit. 90 00:09:54,980 --> 00:10:03,350 I mean, you won the local colour in that passage. You just read your book is full of marvellous invocations of landscape. 91 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:06,320 Yes. I found it was very important. It goes to flounder. 92 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:15,080 In fact, they see all the old fights that were associated with Ray not or with with his authors is early Flemish authors. 93 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:27,750 So I stayed in. Then I based myself again and have a friend in polls who who work on tourism in the area and ran out to eat at the motel. 94 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:30,440 But no significant person. 95 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:38,780 He pointed me in a few different things that I made quite a comprehensive map of all the different sites and visited them the more. 96 00:10:38,780 --> 00:10:43,390 And that I got a sense of how long it would take. 97 00:10:43,390 --> 00:10:53,970 War again, the Rupel on, you know, about that mouth, say, and how you know how it felt in in a moment where I base ran. 98 00:10:53,970 --> 00:11:01,910 Oh, well, you know what it felt like to be by the River Delta and and how far you go and put the B or B and all these things 99 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:09,020 that you cannot get unless you at the visit somewhere and you're actually there walking around in the landscape. 100 00:11:09,020 --> 00:11:17,840 And I also found I that myself, the task of finding the right not claims he buried the incredible pressure and 101 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:24,340 the secret ignoble with and actually describe and quite a lot of detail in ink. 102 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:29,200 And, you know, you can actually actually watch that where it was with my friend Paul. 103 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:36,100 I visited this, brought the lonely wood on the bulletin board and and it was like back the. 104 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:43,980 It was dry and in in the earlier let me I I am right. 105 00:11:43,980 --> 00:11:49,110 And I was quite upset. At one point. 106 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:54,370 Yeah. I mean, look at the landscape as you have. It is quite eerie. 107 00:11:54,370 --> 00:12:03,990 I mean at times it reminded me a little bit of us of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings where you get the first world wars, 108 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:07,710 landscapes sort of put it through. Yeah. 109 00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:13,360 To the landscape, the imaginary landscape of his book. 110 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,210 Did you feel. I mean, how how does it map onto the post-World War II? 111 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:27,230 Yes. This quake, though, it it's slightly further. Well, the Second World War is there are obviously very huge battles on the river. 112 00:12:27,230 --> 00:12:31,810 But there is that. But it's the first photos by the south. 113 00:12:31,810 --> 00:12:36,640 And actually, there's one story and not where I ran out. 114 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:47,060 And it's been brimming and a man and a bold and ran up and this thing happening, you know, in the face by the man. 115 00:12:47,060 --> 00:13:02,690 And this takes place in a wood, which just just to eat of eat in in a valiant salian and right in the centre of where first world battles, battles. 116 00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:09,620 And that began. You can pinpoint almost the exact wood where the ran out or think take it back. 117 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:18,320 But I think that was the front line and maybe a paper 1970 ran directly where the story takes place. 118 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,940 And then what? That now you know that memorial to the First World War. 119 00:13:22,940 --> 00:13:29,580 But there's also a set of rain on the EU and bullet link and interlocked and that 120 00:13:29,580 --> 00:13:34,760 sort of there's a kind of ghostly conversation almost going on between the two. 121 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:45,930 So both. You know, the historical event and the story is so, you know, rooted in the same landscape that they do, 122 00:13:45,930 --> 00:13:56,820 they do brothy other Nevine thing and moving way, I think is that statue 19th century to a 20th century thing. 123 00:13:56,820 --> 00:14:05,020 And do you think that in a way embodies something of the current spirit, of the art of the world? 124 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:13,910 It's a total amount of money. I'm not lately, though, Renyard is is from eastern Bompas, a place called the War Land, 125 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:21,480 which means that it's difficult to translate, but it's not expensive of of of MA in the book, 126 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:33,990 a bit like hope in sort of month that MA is almost but slightly the feel of the spirit even amidst and and the WASP land it even that they are very, 127 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:38,550 very proud of brain. They feel that he's is here. 128 00:14:38,550 --> 00:14:50,800 The people who fight the fight for the mall and overlook the disempowered understands that the authority understands that, you know, 129 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:59,970 the kind of big guys, the brothels or old men, and that you know those that have been nationalistic and then say, you know, with Reynaud. 130 00:14:59,970 --> 00:15:05,670 But basically he he is. He's. One of the most beloved figures in that area. 131 00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:14,080 And there you see him everywhere, every little village as the as the we ran out will ruin. 132 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:24,450 It's been grim. And then in St. Nicholas, which is the main town of the war plan, they have the mock debate as the next eight. 133 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:30,620 And they ran out by eight. You know, I. 134 00:15:30,620 --> 00:15:38,540 But a lot of wonderful. In your book is Delicious Recipes. 135 00:15:38,540 --> 00:15:44,650 Yes. Well, do you think? Important, really? 136 00:15:44,650 --> 00:15:51,690 Well, is there on several levels. I mean, food is important in reaching and mediæval in the mediæval. 137 00:15:51,690 --> 00:15:59,470 And in the Flemyng on. But also, there's this dude running through about animals. 138 00:15:59,470 --> 00:16:05,110 Basically, their main motive in life is food. And this is really rainout. 139 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:11,950 Every murder it is really because the eating, you know, eating his chickens or his Ethan. 140 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:16,570 And there's the whole parable of the man, the young man, and the third, which is about, 141 00:16:16,570 --> 00:16:21,610 you know, whether or not the serpent has the right to bite the young man because he's hungry. 142 00:16:21,610 --> 00:16:30,470 And how important is food is the driving factor is the mitigating factor in in people under an animal? 143 00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:39,390 No, that was that was an important bit. But I also feel that food was was the shows, the richness, the mediaeval coat. 144 00:16:39,390 --> 00:16:44,590 Yeah. And also bread. I mean, there's a lot of sort of oriental spices. 145 00:16:44,590 --> 00:16:54,420 Oh yes. Yes. That's right. Yes. And ran. And I, I wanted to describe I wanted to expand on on a moped. 146 00:16:54,420 --> 00:17:02,760 It is because his path is open. It is, you know, a couple of root or or a hold in the ground. 147 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:10,120 But I wanted to build it into something more and for this rather wonderful place that was rather happy and make and bits falling down. 148 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:14,620 But it was that it was the home his own and. Yes. 149 00:17:14,620 --> 00:17:19,240 That's the right room in his own right. 150 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:25,510 And I wanted it. Yeah. All the way through. In fact, I want to sort of link. 151 00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:30,430 Let me put the whole wide world renowned. 152 00:17:30,430 --> 00:17:41,400 Why Emmeline, for example, who I've been alone at this place, is enormously translating Arabic at. 153 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:51,570 And and right now, when he's spoken by his father, who he says was that was that a trained physician who trained in Montpellier, a runoff. 154 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:58,480 He was an expert in Arabic med, you know. So there's this, you know, the. 155 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:09,130 As this constant reminder that, you know, the Arabic while white well, and it's been an hour and much bigger than we. 156 00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:18,370 Think that you mentioned that Marine who is Reynolds to introduce or expanded some wonderful female character? 157 00:18:18,370 --> 00:18:26,740 I felt good remedy it a tendency in such materials was misogyny to you somehow. 158 00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:32,740 Would you redress this balance with some wonderful. But tell us a little bit about that. 159 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:37,950 Well, there was the queen. The the queen. Again, we were talking about Nancy. 160 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:45,310 I mean, I'm not entirely, I think in in a way, B zone. 161 00:18:45,310 --> 00:18:52,110 But she she has more about. Borate is up and she's not even named. 162 00:18:52,110 --> 00:18:56,010 I think then I found a name and some other. 163 00:18:56,010 --> 00:19:06,240 And I give her a great interest in fishing, though she's always going off and wants to spend the day fishing in the in the River Leel Hotel. 164 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:13,090 And he also has the back story coming from Ballou's, coming from south. 165 00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:22,290 From having a brother. And it's just expanding these these female lives so that they can return more. 166 00:19:22,290 --> 00:19:25,860 Profound. Britney, Emmeline, as we thought. 167 00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:31,990 B beep b, b. Business as the sort of pragmatic figure in then is worrying about. 168 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:44,040 Thought I might be put the ball in buying rain, not rain, not in nice, but I wanted to make her into her own, her own folks in her own right. 169 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,060 Who's also invested in language and as much as Bryner. 170 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:58,880 But in a different way, the rainout, like the Bilandic, used this language, Bambrick allow things, but Emmeline is fascinated by emplacing language. 171 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,050 So I sort of Planned Parenthood, the symbol of what I was doing in many way, 172 00:20:04,050 --> 00:20:15,420 trying to translate from an old one from what we've been told was a translation of an earlier Lemmie prose, but with translation of a limit. 173 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:20,610 Oh. And it goes back and back and back it up with all these different places. 174 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:25,410 So aniline think a lot about how to translate the ethics a little bit. 175 00:20:25,410 --> 00:20:33,880 And it's about the translation process, about, you know, the dump language, the language dumping over the past them and how deep it at them. 176 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,490 And you need that. You need to move that over. 177 00:20:36,490 --> 00:20:49,340 So there's no you can't be a cop or is take a dump from one language or another and change aspects of meaning or a band a story as I've done. 178 00:20:49,340 --> 00:20:55,700 The language is extraordinarily rich, and you've decided to, I think, follow that. 179 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:59,640 Here is a translation. We believe in keeping the strangeness to some extent. 180 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:06,510 Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I wanted to keep a lot of the Anglet that word. 181 00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:13,410 I thought that was that was important. Then it wasn't laziness or anything. 182 00:21:13,410 --> 00:21:18,630 He he had lived so long in the low end that he was and he wasn't. 183 00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:26,670 I think it was more. You know, Klemet really in a sense that he was English and he was content, but he he often said that, you know, 184 00:21:26,670 --> 00:21:32,440 people some people you Lincoln was some I couldn't understand what people setting because they were so. 185 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:42,240 Yeah. The language is so different. Anyway, the accent in a locked word in a very interesting way later on. 186 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:52,800 William, when William Morris up there is Burton of. Right. Not being at the at the end, but something like this is a very strange word. 187 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,750 And so I want to Geissman I wanted to use my own made up. 188 00:21:57,750 --> 00:22:08,770 What. And I used one, you know, we use them mediæval was that maybe fallen out of favour, you know, re and write them. 189 00:22:08,770 --> 00:22:13,520 You do. You've got a very fascinating glossary. Yes. 190 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,630 And the wonderful mixture mean to all of the speaking is the name of someone was born. 191 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:34,110 Just looking at the beginning of it. Yeah. Then you have Bob Creel and an old Belgian breed, bearded bantam chicken, first bred in the village. 192 00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:44,040 So it's a very wide span with this sort of glossary that ranges from old and antique and a newfangled and. 193 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:50,660 Yes, thundering I had a lot of fun and I put Lady Hamlyn BlackBerry, so that's again. 194 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:56,290 And I think her thing, my and my character in the book, if you like. 195 00:22:56,290 --> 00:23:05,270 And I like the idea of being almost like a happiness, curiosity, really a linguistic happiness. 196 00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:10,730 Here you go. And also as representing something that meant that anyone could read the book. 197 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:15,740 So if you're looking for and you know what I mean, you look in the back and there is. 198 00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:29,290 You know, it's easy to read in that and every possible problem in an understanding in the background to open up something like that. 199 00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:37,720 And there is this bit of an accessibility segment as well. 200 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,800 So I think it's wonderful. 201 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:47,370 And, you know, there's have been a lot of discussion about how children don't know the word primrose anymore or the word willow. 202 00:23:47,370 --> 00:23:52,070 Yeah, I did contact with was in the situation there in. 203 00:23:52,070 --> 00:24:03,090 Yeah. Probably exacerbated now very seriously. So this is a way I think it's a wonderful way of expanding the pleasures of noticing the world. 204 00:24:03,090 --> 00:24:08,740 Yeah. Well, in fact I noticed that by putting in what made up. 205 00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:13,370 There's sometimes, you know, if there was something happening in the in the narrative. 206 00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:22,280 I don't know, maybe it was feeling fear I might put in my own made up or word or onomatopoeia. 207 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:34,520 What convey that fear. And that also meant that it was almost like the animals had their own language in a very powerful way. 208 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:40,400 And the sense of them being separate from the human world, if inhabiting their own faith conveyed. 209 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:50,360 I hope through that language. And I was that night in that you just read, not bothered about what it means, but you get the sense of it. 210 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:54,410 I think I put something like, you know, when you're sitting in a front and you, you know, 211 00:24:54,410 --> 00:25:01,620 quite a lot of the language, you're sitting in a cafe and you can pretty much almost bang you in a conversation. 212 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:07,360 But you know why? But with a feeling like it was a pen. 213 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:13,160 It's a pertschuk. Did you say you mentioned illustration. 214 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:19,500 You use repetition and you use quotes. Mm hmm. I mean, I think it's poetic prose. 215 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:24,200 Yeah. I wrote to comic narrative for 30. 216 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,410 Yeah. I love the repetition. Right. 217 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:40,110 Not like you. Well, the the the drag is the audience and it's been the recorded that that would lead one of to your second reading. 218 00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:50,510 Do do read that. Yeah. So right now this is the middle of the night where the man writes the weapon. 219 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:55,560 Right. Not that they've actually read. It's a pair of Gallow right now. 220 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:01,440 And he's really done. This is his last chance. Rick, last but keeping on. 221 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:07,910 And it's about the moment when he suddenly sees how he can get out of it without. 222 00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:13,050 King Nobile, the Lions back down heavily on the hanging back from adopting his crown, 223 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:22,470 was slipping on his wet mane, uncommanded eat them still and let the rain not tell his story without fear. 224 00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:27,020 Still trembling slightly, right, not, but bent on end and freefall, 225 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:35,670 Weightman the thrill that came not during his many long eight friends, winning a story, weaving through an open. 226 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:41,740 But in the fragmentary moment before in the ed time that it paid and the sudden 227 00:26:41,740 --> 00:26:46,410 infernal vision of the right path to follow perfectly revealed in the map, 228 00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:50,800 untangling and weaving of his various possibilities. 229 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:58,620 And so they formed the perfectly woven, bright, graphic landscape of suit and relate before him. 230 00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:06,480 Then that rain on backing from the defence story, one more painting, his luck changing the old wrote the post unit ranking around. 231 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,280 One more. B, you now or Bill. This is the King's. 232 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:20,290 Well, an article openly tell you that beaten and I will find no one who might know that my heart be ripped out in the telling. 233 00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:26,490 Well, I think, yeah, in that passage, the animals are being used, dramatised. 234 00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:32,920 Yeah. And this whole tradition to represent very present reality. 235 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,670 And I wondered what what how do you feel this? 236 00:27:36,670 --> 00:27:43,440 I mean, a sense it's Spike. It's fallen out of fashion or favour in the last hundred years, I say. 237 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:55,870 But do you think it's coming back? This is populism, this idea of writing with these symbolic tropes and very entertaining allegory method. 238 00:27:55,870 --> 00:28:02,200 I think so. I think I think rainout in particular has always been you. 239 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:15,070 It's always been you represent the people rising up against the oppressors or that that this empowered against that in ours. 240 00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:23,850 He's always been popular during periods of war or death of the war when people are exhausted with an hour. 241 00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:35,950 So I'm an important one. But of the the wars of the roses, every in King's shifting and changing and old, that is the bloodline. 242 00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:45,730 And then that, you know, it's all the way through the at the end of the intent and the and the thinking and that he's the fella. 243 00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:59,130 And then I'm in the seventy nine. He's got a youth in the middle of the French Revolutionary War and in a really awful battle that is going nowhere. 244 00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:02,760 He he's in the end. And then firing everywhere. 245 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:11,980 And he picks up a book right now, stop reading it and start roaring with laughter and thinking to himself, my god, this book is absolutely modern. 246 00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:18,640 He read everything going on. That story, you know, ran out some. 247 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:27,740 Is that is the fault for, you know, the Enlightenment? There he goes in sounds like and south. 248 00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:36,160 And then again, you know, now coming out of the narrative, the. 249 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,900 Is the relevant people? I mean, people have read this and and they they cannot. 250 00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:50,360 I mean, I thought so. And it reminds me from Paul back that, you know, are you thinking about Brexit there? 251 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,710 And I mean, I'm not actually. But but, you know, 252 00:29:53,710 --> 00:30:07,080 it's so insightful and the problems than the idea of lying and and which narrative is the true narrative and fake news then and all those. 253 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:14,110 Hireable only that nationalism. Everything is in the. 254 00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:18,400 Yes, he's he's he speaks, doesn't he? So what we've got is ourselves. 255 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,020 I mean, we don't identify so much with King Bull. No. Oh. 256 00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:27,520 Or isn't grim. But then at the same time, he is a rascal, isn't he? 257 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,040 I mean, you thought he's absolutely honest and unscripted and mendacious. 258 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:44,950 So what can you. I mean, can you think a little bit or as about the appeal of this and the disjunction, the kind of way it doesn't quite fit? 259 00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:52,900 I mean, I can see King Nogo and Bruin as the villains of some despotic regime. 260 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:59,020 Very, very, very releasing to the to be able to laugh. 261 00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:07,180 But at the same time, why do I like Reynaud so much when I did like devious, unscrupulous politicians? 262 00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:12,740 Well, I think I think one of the aspects of rainout Victorian academic. 263 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:17,440 I like it, but I quite in my, um. And it does. 264 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,210 And it is not that we know about about him. He is absolutely. 265 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:32,780 He is as he is. You know, all the other animals have these terrible sins and problems, you know? 266 00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:41,840 That's right. But the fact is incredibly arrogant as this intellectual arrogance brewing, the bear is by greedy and vain. 267 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:49,810 And King Noble isn't terrible. Now, the reason really uninterested in governing his people. 268 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:54,520 He's much more interested in them, you know, glorifying him and. 269 00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:02,260 But right now, it is a. And he according to his own book, The Night. 270 00:32:02,260 --> 00:32:08,080 Eat and Eat Deep. Love is why he loved his club. 271 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,990 He's very proud of his planning. They were taken and that sort of thing. 272 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:20,380 I think. I think that basic. Yes. No, no humbug aspect, right, not make up like him. 273 00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:31,020 And then his his lies. Yes. So over the top as well that they are very funny because it really becomes it becomes the other. 274 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:35,350 Is that a complete idiot idiot of believing him? I think. 275 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:42,650 And you thought he thought that the that law rather than ran up. 276 00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:49,780 Good, going to have an exhibition, in fact, do just that, this began this whole project become all right with the possibility of an exhibition. 277 00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:54,250 I think it's happening. Is that right? That's right. It was going to be this. 278 00:32:54,250 --> 00:33:04,570 Yeah. But obviously, with with poverty now, neck in neck December and this exhibition suddenly secret things. 279 00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:11,020 And it will look the Anglo-Dutch literary gain during mediaeval period. 280 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:18,570 And I think a right nod. Looking at rain on the right, not a move, 281 00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:31,270 but England and then with with became so popular and also looking at all the other movements, the people thought ideas. 282 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:41,620 And so there'll be a huge fan of Reynaud manuscript dating from the 12th century onwards. 283 00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:49,230 And also, in the end, we have the fire in the east of Britain of. 284 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:56,090 It's very famous. Manuscript flyleaf in a manuscript. 285 00:33:56,090 --> 00:34:02,620 But from the written by Monk and wrote in the 11th century with a famous scene in Holland. 286 00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:09,360 But not really by well-known here. So there'll be real prejudice people haven't seen before. 287 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:16,400 And are you bringing it up today because Reynard has a long budget, many Cubs and much progeny? 288 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:26,180 Yeah. In terms of the well, in terms of the film, I don't know if I speak about this before, 289 00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:31,790 but we've been working with Ortman Animation as well in the quartette. 290 00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:43,310 And we've been doing working on things. I've seen them make animation based on the book with tools and undergrads in Bristol. 291 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:50,730 So this will be some more Molton. They made a film. 292 00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:57,210 I think what happened to the actual scene at the end of the book where it ran out and it's grim blows. 293 00:34:57,210 --> 00:35:02,880 And also I think we're in the back. The things with beer in the bar. 294 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,310 And those would be filmed in quite a few seconds, art and learning about animation. 295 00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:15,470 And then how could that. Right. Not that would be fine. I think that those films will be in there as well. 296 00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:20,610 And what about the figures like Mr. Todd Burchett? 297 00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:24,260 Oh, yes. Yes. So right now he comes. 298 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:32,090 He he's sort of. Get let's put Hala in sort of little altogether. 299 00:35:32,090 --> 00:35:33,900 Way becomes popular in the. 300 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:42,270 But in the end, the Victorian period and then he becomes Hitler is the 20th century and becomes this sort of name that people know, 301 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:47,270 but they don't really know the story very well. And he gets submerged in this. 302 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:52,620 OK. They're pulling them back a bit of the elements of a brain out. 303 00:35:52,620 --> 00:36:08,130 And then you have the growth now and and also the DNA in Robin Hood that was based on Mignot boys and Disney originally did. 304 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:13,770 And they said that he absolutely wants to have a Reynaud and a Mason. And this was in the 40s, in the 50s. 305 00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:18,060 And they were working on it, but they couldn't quite get it right. 306 00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:22,780 And in the end, Disney said, we can't do it because we'll never get it right now. 307 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:26,640 Oh, hey. Hey. Who are not? 308 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:37,690 They couldn't make him good enough. You know, the man who, while I guess it does, is the best of and they send him in. 309 00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:43,790 So they send the reused the illustrator and as the Robin Hood. 310 00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:53,070 So that's why the Disney Robin Hood as a lion. You know, the at the end at that Robin Robin Hood. 311 00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:57,400 But the staff of not being. Would that be secretly rainout? 312 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,880 All right. Anthony is fascinating. But it's a very vicious animation. 313 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:10,910 Robin Hood of Disney. I mean, no, I was surprised by the quality of it compared to some saccharine stuff. 314 00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:15,990 Disney was picking up on that. Yes. Think back and you can see the Rennard in quality. 315 00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:20,170 The charm and the wit coming through in Robin Hood. 316 00:37:20,170 --> 00:37:27,330 I think. No, you you have a very interesting background, very unusual background, 317 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:35,660 which you have entered into Anglo-Dutch and animal fables on this wonderful work revisioning rainout. 318 00:37:35,660 --> 00:37:39,720 So you could tell us because you originally started opening. Right. 319 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:46,480 And I worked in that field. Quite a long time. 320 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:55,480 And I I was thank you the other day about, um, yeah, translating Japanese when I was younger at looked at the same problems. 321 00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:02,950 And I'm an and boys the same thing right now. So I dawdy both of quite a lot about ideas. 322 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:11,650 Satan. And out, you would not be doing it word by word, sentence by sentence. 323 00:38:11,650 --> 00:38:18,100 That would be a lot a lot more than that to make a story from a lie and convey the meaning. 324 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:23,430 Renee. Do you miss it, too? You have to pick something which later herson. 325 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:31,860 Oh, yes. Yes. I remember at university, I had to translate them to short story about later everything. 326 00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:41,420 And it was then that I realised how much work and good translators actually I do in order to the bring bring it. 327 00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:45,840 I'll tell you one language or another. 328 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,460 It's a huge undertaking and it requires the creativity. 329 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:54,710 And I know of very much that then I think. 330 00:38:54,710 --> 00:39:02,350 And I think both with Ray, not because they're translating English into English, so again, but quite challenging. 331 00:39:02,350 --> 00:39:06,820 They were translating, you know, middle English and the modern English. 332 00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:13,810 And it's the same line language. So you're sort of bringing something from the root of a tree upwards, if you like. 333 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:18,350 But the main thing. I think they. 334 00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:25,920 Were you able to look at the original look Caxton had had updated and see how close he'd been? 335 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,650 Because I just about translation keep it shifting. 336 00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:33,600 It's changing. And I mean, in some ways, I remember being very struck. 337 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:40,850 For example, the scene in his prefaces, his plays, talks about how he's looked to Europe. 338 00:39:40,850 --> 00:39:48,380 Euripides is managed. He was the first person to do so to try and and read them and them properly. 339 00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:55,190 And, um, and he sees the zone tonight as a sort of version of of of Europe. 340 00:39:55,190 --> 00:40:00,660 And that's extraordinary as we would never see it like that. Now, totally original work in our view. 341 00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:09,630 Yeah. Well, how much did that depart from the Helms version that he was working from? 342 00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:22,570 I think it's quite close, really. There's a kind of there's a different atmosphere and there's the kind of or rather you kind of the the I was mad. 343 00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:27,860 And then I think and I know everyone we know, he wrote it quite quickly, translated it quite quickly, 344 00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:32,750 and I imagine him backing it off and then reading it aloud when he's in it. 345 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:40,580 And then there's there's very much a sense that he's getting it down in order for people to read out loud. 346 00:40:40,580 --> 00:40:44,480 I mean, that he that the original it quite close. 347 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,960 And I had to copy I had to copy it at the middle, but underneath the translate then side by side. 348 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,900 But that only went a certain certain level of fighting. 349 00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:00,810 And then an elaborate though. Yeah. 350 00:41:00,810 --> 00:41:10,560 That there's one one aspect I really want back in which is slightly more present in the earlier plan. 351 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,920 I think bravery in plant as well. 352 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,640 I, I, I put some between Met-Pro based on that on the middle, but it didn't happen as well though. 353 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,970 It's a Malonis of a number. Oh isn't that a little bit. 354 00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:36,930 A friend of a friend Ron as well, because it went about all over Europe that even an Italian. 355 00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:41,210 And both fed in things like Grand Rapids as well. Mm hmm. 356 00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:48,000 I mean, I used to shoot the characters in books with Misericordia. 357 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:55,310 It's an engine Alea in manuscript. I don't know if that's going to be the kind of material might be in the version. 358 00:41:55,310 --> 00:42:02,510 Yeah. Yes. We've have a lot of that. We have a lot of marginalia in the brain. 359 00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:12,560 I think that's a very funny one we're having in there with by not pretending to be dead and being carried on it by elaborate funeral. 360 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,640 Yeah. You know, and that is. But out of it. 361 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,350 May be alive before. Am I. Yes. 362 00:42:21,350 --> 00:42:25,810 Lot of that. And of course. Right. Not if people have written about. 363 00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:30,560 No. What. But I'll rainout was thinking this book. 364 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,230 I mean he up a little bit in it but there's so many. 365 00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:40,880 But he's been into it and think blah then is there for all life like that. 366 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:47,200 You break it off. Right. Not being old as the story a long time before. 367 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,550 Well in one. You think there's a lot of this, isn't it? 368 00:42:51,550 --> 00:42:58,270 This goes to great. Yes. But it's looking up at the top of the stairs. 369 00:42:58,270 --> 00:43:06,570 I love this bar anyway. Yeah, but there's the engine and ingenious explanation. 370 00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:10,270 Yeah. And of course, there's lots of ran up. 371 00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:14,820 Is based way back in and. But I lost the very funny aether. 372 00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:21,940 I'll there's the fibrinogen. I think this has prompted you to become a storyteller yourself. 373 00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:26,900 That's right. Yes. But when I was them, when I was writing Reynaud, I had quite a nose. 374 00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:31,630 There was part of their methodology I used. 375 00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:36,100 I wrote I get bored in every morning. I write for hours. 376 00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:43,480 I ended up reading Priest at lunch because Priest is the perfect foil for some reason during the flight. 377 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,940 And it was you know, he also made me feel that I could just ramble on a bit as well. 378 00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:54,820 I want to talk about the river. He paid it, but that was fine by, like, breathing trees. 379 00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:59,570 But then I also started writing these modern orie on Twitter. 380 00:43:59,570 --> 00:44:07,040 I see these little tiny tale about the molten living right near Boerma with a lectern about 381 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:16,750 the animal and going through the same things that we've all been going through the end of it. 382 00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:31,750 The fears and worries of everyday life. And so I created the theory that we're almost like an AI with brain up and it may man evil. 383 00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:39,870 And actually, at one point when I'm out, I made that the main arc, a notebook, a book about receiving a pile both in and out. 384 00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:47,180 I once was freed by his bounce back. Third, there was a lot of policy in my life. 385 00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:52,540 Richard Fables. Yeah. Wonderful. Does your books have a name? 386 00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:58,630 Oh. Oh oh. All the all the animals that I just pulled by their name, but I found quite helpful. 387 00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:59,610 So there's the pine moth. 388 00:44:59,610 --> 00:45:08,720 And some people find Marfin and that he has the grandmother who I made the pine moth and then they thought, oh, I want salmon. 389 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:16,350 I did that, then a phobia. And um, in our living in England, the only. 390 00:45:16,350 --> 00:45:22,110 But early. Find Martin and his grandmother are upset. 391 00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:29,030 They put in a party. The grandmother. They don't have any more of their names. 392 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:36,650 So they occupy rather than. You know, the inbound, Eric. 393 00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:40,480 Wonderful. Well, I think I should say that. We do. 394 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:53,360 The book is available in the Butlin shop, which you can probably go to or not in many number to moment, but it is online Botley and Shop Dot Dot UK. 395 00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:07,360 And members of friends was in and sent off and um and these during the friends the Bohlin by the book on the website or in the shop and I.