1 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,060 Right. Well, I think we should get started. Welcome back, everyone. Nice to see you. 2 00:00:16,060 --> 00:00:23,500 That you haven't been frightened off. Today, I'm going to talk about something absolutely central to philosophy. 3 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:30,490 And that's the methodology of philosophy, which is the methodology of logic and arguments. 4 00:00:30,490 --> 00:00:36,040 And just I think I said something last week about this, but it bears repeating. 5 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,580 In science, people do experiments and experiments. 6 00:00:39,580 --> 00:00:50,370 They do a constrained by the laws of nature, which is why there is some confidence that their experiments are going to give them true knowledge. 7 00:00:50,370 --> 00:00:55,900 Well, knowledge, the true knowledge is not small, but the man in philosophy. 8 00:00:55,900 --> 00:01:01,090 We also do experiments, but the experience we do are not constrained by the laws of nature. 9 00:01:01,090 --> 00:01:05,350 And we don't do them in laboratories. They're not empirical experiments. 10 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:13,240 Instead, we do somewhat experiments. So it's very nice being a philosopher because you don't have to leave the comfort of your armchair. 11 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,550 You can stay in the library. You don't have to get messed up with test tubes and things like that. 12 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:27,160 You can just sit there and do it in your head. But in the same way as a scientist is constrained by the laws of nature. 13 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,580 The philosopher is constrained by the laws of logic. 14 00:01:30,580 --> 00:01:36,850 And that's why we can be fairly sure that when we have knowledge, when we think we've got something, 15 00:01:36,850 --> 00:01:44,140 we know we can be fairly sure we're right, especially if we corroborate what we think with other philosophers. 16 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:50,770 Of course, third person corroboration is as important in philosophy as it is in science. 17 00:01:50,770 --> 00:01:58,270 But what I'm going to be talking about staes is the arguments, that sort of logic that constrains our thought experiments. 18 00:01:58,270 --> 00:02:02,620 So that's what we're going to talk about, what logic is. 19 00:02:02,620 --> 00:02:06,910 It's not the sort of argument that your teenage children have. 20 00:02:06,910 --> 00:02:11,450 Okay. We all know that sort of argue. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. Etc. 21 00:02:11,450 --> 00:02:15,820 It's nor is it the sort of argument that you laughed at on Monty Python. 22 00:02:15,820 --> 00:02:26,290 You remember the arguments sketch? Probably. Instead, the argument is going to be a set of propositions which we call premises, 23 00:02:26,290 --> 00:02:32,950 which are put forward as reason to believe another proposition, which we call the conclusion. 24 00:02:32,950 --> 00:02:38,950 So here's an argument. I want to get to London by noon. 25 00:02:38,950 --> 00:02:44,680 I believe it's a necessary condition of getting to London by noon that I catch the 10 20 train. 26 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:53,170 Therefore, give me the conclusion. I must catch the 10 20 train. 27 00:02:53,170 --> 00:02:55,870 So what you've got is you've got two propositions. 28 00:02:55,870 --> 00:03:02,050 I want to get to London by noon and I believe it's a necessary condition to get into London by noon that I catch the 10 20. 29 00:03:02,050 --> 00:03:04,240 And together they combine. 30 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:11,230 And you knew immediately what the conclusion had to be, because there's only one conclusion that's entailed by these two, isn't there? 31 00:03:11,230 --> 00:03:15,670 And you all got it right. And that's because you are all rational animals. 32 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:19,540 Actually, you do logic pretty well as well as I do. 33 00:03:19,540 --> 00:03:26,830 What I can do that you can't do is tell you how you do logic, what it is that you're doing when you do logic. 34 00:03:26,830 --> 00:03:29,800 But as rational animals, you're doing logic all the time. 35 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:37,180 You knew the answer to that reason you knew is because you do logic and logic is just the if you like, 36 00:03:37,180 --> 00:03:42,160 the method by which you go from one set of thoughts to another thought. 37 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,430 It's one way of acquiring knowledge, if you like. 38 00:03:46,430 --> 00:03:55,060 Okay, so that's that's what an argument is. Now there are different types of logic because there are different types of argument. 39 00:03:55,060 --> 00:03:58,720 So there are all sorts of different types of types as well. 40 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:06,310 But one type of argument, for example, is dayon tech logic, the logic of moral discourse. 41 00:04:06,310 --> 00:04:11,650 So if I say to you, lying is wrong. 42 00:04:11,650 --> 00:04:17,080 Therefore, what conclusions are you going to give me? 43 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,700 Or I shouldn't lie or something. Yeah. Something to the effect. I should tell the truth. 44 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:22,450 I shouldn't lie or whatever. 45 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:29,230 That's not that's a different kind of argument because you haven't got two premises there, but you have got a premise again and a conclusion. 46 00:04:29,230 --> 00:04:36,250 I shouldn't lie. But it's interesting because Kant says that's what's peculiar about de Ontake. 47 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:41,800 Logic is you go straight from a statement to the effect that something's wrong. 48 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,040 To the conclusion that you shouldn't do it. 49 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:52,780 And Kant thinks that's a very peculiar thing about morality, because for everything else, you would need a desire in there as well. 50 00:04:52,780 --> 00:04:58,450 So if you look again at the first argument, I want to get slammed by noon. 51 00:04:58,450 --> 00:05:02,290 It's a necessary condition of getting London to London. Da da da da da da. 52 00:05:02,290 --> 00:05:12,270 Therefore, I need to leave on the 10 20. If you took away the desire, would you have a good argument left? 53 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:16,650 No, you just say it's a necessary condition of getting to London by noon, that I catch the 10 20. 54 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:21,000 Well, so what? You know, unless you want to get to London by noon. 55 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,100 That doesn't entail anything, does it? You can do anything you like consistently with that. 56 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:32,280 But once you've added that, you've got something that requires an action, haven't you? 57 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:39,930 So it would be irrational to have that desire and that belief a not to believe. 58 00:05:39,930 --> 00:05:43,750 I must catch the 10 20. Wouldn't it? Okay. 59 00:05:43,750 --> 00:05:47,820 Have another way. That's true. 60 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:52,830 But I have said the necessary condition here. So if I'd taken that, hold your rights. 61 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:58,730 But I think as I've put that in, anticipating that somebody might say something like. 62 00:05:58,730 --> 00:06:02,540 Sorry. You've only said, I believe. That's true. 63 00:06:02,540 --> 00:06:07,100 But if it's a matter of action, my belief would be sufficient to, wouldn't it? 64 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:12,470 Because even if I was wrong about that, I would still think it's Russia. 65 00:06:12,470 --> 00:06:19,800 And what's more, I'm still being rational to catch the 10 20, wouldn't I, if I believe that even if, in fact I was wrong? 66 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:26,130 OK, but if you look at this one. Do you need a desire in there? 67 00:06:26,130 --> 00:06:31,250 Kant would say no. Lying is wrong. Therefore, I mustn't lie. Do you need I? 68 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:35,900 I don't want to do the wrong thing or I do want to do the right thing. 69 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:42,860 Kant would say no because he'd say, if you think that you need to adds and I want to do right. 70 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:48,300 You just don't understand what it is to do something wrong. OK. 71 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:52,260 Think about that for a second. If you if you entertain possibly that, you need to add. 72 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:59,580 I want to do what's right. You were implying that you might not want to do what's right. 73 00:06:59,580 --> 00:07:07,680 And Kant would think that that would show that you didn't actually understand what right means. 74 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:14,500 You with me? No, but and Kant would say they don't understand what's right. 75 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:18,730 If you think I understand that 10 year olds go around nicking sweets from from shops 76 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:23,610 because they understand you of right at the moment is is if anyone finds out, 77 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:29,680 I'll I'll get into trouble. Okay. I did it wrong is Mummy will find out and I'll get smacked or something like that. 78 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,180 How old fashioned hoops is legal. 79 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:38,770 That isn't it. Anyway, whatever it is, it isn't. 80 00:07:38,770 --> 00:07:43,390 Okay. Well at least I haven't said anything illegal, but immoral maybe. 81 00:07:43,390 --> 00:07:49,510 So if you're thinking that for something to be wrong is if I get caught, I'll be punished. 82 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:53,710 You've got that. You haven't yet got the concept of right and wrong. Have you? 83 00:07:53,710 --> 00:07:58,450 What you've got is a prudential concept that may cause you to act in some of the same ways. 84 00:07:58,450 --> 00:08:03,130 But I bet if I leave my purse here when I go out, as I may well do. 85 00:08:03,130 --> 00:08:06,730 You wouldn't not pinch hit because you might be fine. 86 00:08:06,730 --> 00:08:13,960 Found out. No. You would have other reasons for not pinching it, mainly because you'd think it was wrong. 87 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,540 Probably wouldn't occur to you, but you'd also, if it did occur to you, you'd think it's wrong. 88 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:20,260 And so there are different ways. 89 00:08:20,260 --> 00:08:30,310 And if you think about it, can do you think you could think that lying is wrong, but there's no reason why you shouldn't lie. 90 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:37,130 So, of course, I'd say let's say somebody says to you, your builder says to you or you or your solicitor says to you. 91 00:08:37,130 --> 00:08:43,800 Well, of course lying's wrong. But that doesn't mean I you know, I mean, it doesn't mean we shouldn't lie here. 92 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Isn't there something wrong with that? Isn't that a contradiction? Thank you. 93 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:58,120 Yeah. That's different. We're saying if you believe that lying is wrong, then you're going to think you shouldn't lie. 94 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,460 I mean, if you don't think lying is wrong, then there's no reason, not lies. 95 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:08,790 But if you do think lying is wrong, could you also could you consistently believe. 96 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:13,300 Let's. All right. Let's say if you believe this lie is wrong. 97 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:22,680 Could you consistently believe that there's no reason for you not to lie? 98 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,690 I have to find lying and saying you think this lie is wrong. So it's not a white lie. 99 00:09:27,690 --> 00:09:31,780 Would you say that? Yes. Not yet. 100 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:39,790 But a white lie. We call them white lies because we don't really think they're wrong, do we? 101 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:46,840 Right. Right. Then then let's let's not get too far away from the topic. 102 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:53,380 If we believe that lying is wrong or that this particular lie is wrong, even if it's a white lie or not. 103 00:09:53,380 --> 00:09:57,370 Doesn't matter. Could you consistently think. Never mind. 104 00:09:57,370 --> 00:10:02,470 That doesn't mean I shouldn't do it. But he came up last time with torture. 105 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:11,840 Torture is wrong. Right. 106 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:19,370 Yeah. OK. I'm going to leave this because maybe De Ontake logic was a bad idea. 107 00:10:19,370 --> 00:10:25,740 OK. Carrots would say that if you believe that, you have got to think I shouldn't lie. 108 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:33,540 If you think that lying is wrong, you might not. But if you do, then you're going to think you shouldn't lie because you cannot think. 109 00:10:33,540 --> 00:10:37,290 Lying is wrong. But there is no reason for you not to lie. 110 00:10:37,290 --> 00:10:42,090 Because for some things to be wrong is itself a reason for you not to do. 111 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:48,000 It may not be the final reason. It may not be conclusive, but it is a reason not to do it. 112 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:58,560 And that's De Ontake logic, because you've begun got a premiss and a conclusion, and the premise gives you reason to believe the conclusion. 113 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:02,850 So that's what's down here. We've got a set of propositions or one proposition. 114 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:07,680 A premise put forward is reason to believe another. Here's another type of argument. 115 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:13,260 This is Moodle logic and I'm sorry, it's a bad example, but I'm lousy at thinking of examples. 116 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:19,020 It's not possible for Vixen's to be male. That's because Vixen's are defined to be female. 117 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:23,520 Therefore, that Viksten is not male. 118 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:34,130 Okay. If you believe that, you're going to believe that. And that's because if something is not possible, then it can't be actual, can it? 119 00:11:34,130 --> 00:11:40,620 Okay, so. So if it's not possible for me to be mailed and then it can't be the case that I am male. 120 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:44,850 So you're recognising that something's not possible. 121 00:11:44,850 --> 00:11:53,040 It will cause you to believe immediately that nor is it Hatchell because it couldn't be not possible and actual. 122 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,170 So that's Moodle logic, the logic and modality, the logic of necessity. 123 00:11:58,170 --> 00:12:08,040 And then another type of logic is the logic conditionals. So you've probably all heard the saying, if it's gold, I'm a Dutchman. 124 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:13,230 Okay. That means, as we all know, that it's not gold, doesn't it? 125 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:18,300 How do you know that? Well, you'll just have to believe me, take it on authority. 126 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:22,440 But that's because, you know, the logic of conditionals. 127 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:30,690 And if I were to write the truth table up here for conditionals, a truth table gives you the truth of a conditional in every possible world. 128 00:12:30,690 --> 00:12:36,180 You would see that if it's gold, I'm a Dutchman has to be true. 129 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:41,280 And therefore, it has to be false that. It's gold. 130 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,230 So I'm not going to go into that. 131 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:52,080 I'm just going to tell you, you know what that means because you know the logic of conditionals, because you're a rational animal. 132 00:12:52,080 --> 00:13:01,740 What you don't know is what I know, which is how to draw the truth tables and how to show that that means it's not gold. 133 00:13:01,740 --> 00:13:08,970 Okay. Finally baffled, are you? Yes. All the different worlds. 134 00:13:08,970 --> 00:13:15,510 Well, some people say that a different possible world is nothing more than a different situation. 135 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:19,590 There's a philosopher called Krip Key, very famous philosopher, still alive. 136 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:27,630 Or if he isn't, he's only just. It was today or yesterday, and I'm very sorry about it. 137 00:13:27,630 --> 00:13:38,520 He believes that you in order to explain the truth of conditionals, like, okay, if Germany had won the war, we would be speaking German. 138 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Now, some of you may think that's true and some of you may think it's false. 139 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,840 We could argue about this. We could give reasons for different sides. 140 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:53,430 But I'll tell you what doesn't make it true, namely that the Germans won the war and we are speaking German because they didn't. 141 00:13:53,430 --> 00:14:03,510 That's a counterfactual conditional. And so we think of conditionals, even counterfactual conditionals, as true and false all the time. 142 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:13,800 And some logicians believe that in order to explain the truth of counterfactual conditionals, you've got to postulate other possible worlds. 143 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Now, of course, there are other reasons in physics for postulating possible worlds in mathematics. 144 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,130 There are reasons for postulating possible worlds. And what is a possible world? 145 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:32,460 Well, Chriqui thinks it is literally another place, just like all worlds, like our universe, rather than like our earth. 146 00:14:32,460 --> 00:14:36,420 But there's no causal interaction between one world and another. 147 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:42,130 But you can say, okay, is there a possible world in which Marianne's wearing jeans? 148 00:14:42,130 --> 00:14:50,980 Tell me the answer, yes. Is that a possible world in which Marianne is male issue for you? 149 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:56,050 Does anyone think that might be nine, Marianne? 150 00:14:56,050 --> 00:15:01,350 No, no, no, no. We're asking a question here. Could Matt. Could I have been male? 151 00:15:01,350 --> 00:15:06,040 Could I have been male? In other words, if I. 152 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,050 If I had to. No one would. 153 00:15:10,050 --> 00:15:15,850 No. An X and Y chromosome instead of two X's. Would I still have been Marianne? 154 00:15:15,850 --> 00:15:20,300 Would I still exist? OK. Lots of people think no. 155 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:23,860 It's an open question. Some people think no on that. Some people think yes. 156 00:15:23,860 --> 00:15:28,300 But notice, we do think there's a truth value to it. 157 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:31,930 We can ask that question and we can argue about the answer. 158 00:15:31,930 --> 00:15:42,700 And it's possible that in order to do that, we've got to postulate the existence of possible worlds of other worlds that we know about by reason. 159 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:46,620 But not by perception. Do you see what I mean? 160 00:15:46,620 --> 00:15:51,130 We can see this world. We can touch it. We can hear it there. 161 00:15:51,130 --> 00:15:56,620 You heard part of it. But you can't see or touch a possible world. 162 00:15:56,620 --> 00:16:02,580 But you know, they're there because you argue about conditionals. 163 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:07,830 Isn't there a world in which I'm male? Well, some of you think, yes, some of you think no. 164 00:16:07,830 --> 00:16:12,150 And the more you look at the logic, the more you might be able to come up with. 165 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:15,930 You're absolutely right. It is no the answer or you're absolutely right. 166 00:16:15,930 --> 00:16:19,890 It is. Yes. Or whatever. That's what philosophers are doing, is there? 167 00:16:19,890 --> 00:16:29,400 Sometimes I talk about it as spinning the possible worlds in order to find out what the limits of possibility are. 168 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,440 Because if you think of what a scientist is doing, they're looking to see what the limits of actuality are. 169 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:42,320 What is the case in this world? Whereas what philosophers are looking for is what could be the case. 170 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:50,350 Okay. Not just in this world, but in any world. Could there be could time travel be possible, for example? 171 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:56,040 Mean it looks as if time travel isn't possible? Well, we know time travel isn't possible at the moment. 172 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:03,420 Could it be? Is there a world in which it's possible? And if so, could this be a world in which it is? 173 00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:09,360 So we're expanding the worlds and asking, okay. 174 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:16,980 We know there are possible worlds. We know there isn't a world in which there are square circles, don't we? 175 00:17:16,980 --> 00:17:28,380 It's a world in which circles of square. Could could there be could a circle be square? 176 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:34,950 Exactly. It's the concept, isn't it? If something is a circle, it could not be a square. 177 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:40,680 End of story. So we know that there is no possible world in which circles are square. 178 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:46,170 That's not a possible world. Whereas the world in which Marianne is male, maybe that is a possible world. 179 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:51,960 The world in which Marianne's wearing jeans is definitely a possible world. So we're trying to limit the possibilities. 180 00:17:51,960 --> 00:18:03,720 Which possible worlds are there and which aren't there. Yes. 181 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:10,740 But what we're asking is, is Marianne necessarily female or is it just a contingent fact that I'm female in the same way? 182 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:16,290 It's a contingent fact that I'm wearing a dress. I mean, I might have put jeans on this morning. 183 00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:20,400 Might I have been male? OK, 184 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,530 we know a Viksund cannot be female because in the same way we know that a bachelor 185 00:18:24,530 --> 00:18:27,990 can't be married because it's part of the definition of being a bachelor, 186 00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:38,250 that you're part of a definition of being vixen. Is it part of the definition of Marijan of me, the time female? 187 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:43,100 Well, some people do think so, but others think not. You do. You thought not. 188 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:49,130 So there are there are different views on this one. And I could give you other ones that are where we're not sure. 189 00:18:49,130 --> 00:18:56,270 What's important is there are some cases where it's definite there is such a world, some cases where it's definite that there isn't such a world. 190 00:18:56,270 --> 00:19:03,160 And some cases that we don't know about. And the job of a philosopher is to find out about those. 191 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:13,250 Okay, so that's modal logic. And I looked at the logic of conditionals, but there are two main generic forms of arguments. 192 00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:19,360 OK. These are these are looking at particular types of discourse and the logic of that sort of discourse. 193 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:26,270 So as moral agents, you understand something about day on tick logic, even if you've never heard about it before. 194 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:31,520 You also understand something of the logic of modality and the logic of conditionals. 195 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:39,290 But here are two very broad sorts of argument, deductive arguments, an inductive arguments. 196 00:19:39,290 --> 00:19:44,570 Now I want you to ignore the ones under the dotted lines at the moment and just look at the ones on the top. 197 00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:49,400 Now, I know you're all reading the ones underneath the dotted line at the moment. Stop it. 198 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,540 Okay, let's look at this one. If it snows, the mail would be late. 199 00:19:53,540 --> 00:20:04,220 It is snowing. Therefore, the mail will be late. The nice thing about deductive arguments is that they give us certainty. 200 00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:17,270 They didn't give us unconditional certainty. Sadly, if the premises of the argument are true, then the conclusion must be true. 201 00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:26,140 Okay, so have a look at these premises there and tell me if that's a deductively valid argument. 202 00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:30,670 If it snows, the mail will be late. It is snowing. Therefore, the mail will be date. 203 00:20:30,670 --> 00:20:38,580 Could it be that these premises are true? And the conclusion false? 204 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:51,610 No. OK. Some people are thinking about it. Let's let's let them think. But yeah, but why do we want to do that? 205 00:20:51,610 --> 00:20:59,440 Because I'm giving you an example of a deductive argument. And if I change that will to my right, then I haven't got a deductive argument. 206 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,090 Have I? Because then the premises could be false. Without that. 207 00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:13,420 So it could be true without the conclusion being true. And the particular thing about this one is I wanted an example of a deductively valid argument. 208 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:21,460 And what I hope I've got is that if these premises are true, the conclusion must be true. 209 00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:28,840 There is absolutely no logical possibility of those premises being true and that conclusion being false. 210 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,780 Is that right? Yeah. Okay, that's great. 211 00:21:31,780 --> 00:21:42,190 So we've got certainty in a deductive argument, conditionally upon the truth of the premises and the validity of the argument. 212 00:21:42,190 --> 00:21:47,740 Now, here's an invalid deductive argument. If it snows, the mail will be late. 213 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:53,050 The mail is late. Therefore, it's snowing. OK. 214 00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:58,420 Now, there's something wrong with that argument, isn't there? What's wrong with it? 215 00:21:58,420 --> 00:22:05,920 Good. Give me another reason. Yes, but can you tell me. 216 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:13,550 Give me a reason. In which puncher. Good. You can't hear people looking at you. 217 00:22:13,550 --> 00:22:17,920 Oh, okay. I'm good. 218 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:25,420 I've got to say. Okay, well, I'll repeat what was said there. If you've got an an invalid argument, 219 00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:31,500 what you be able to find or at least what you'll be able to to say that there is you may not be able to find one, 220 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:36,280 because if you're like me, your lousy examples. If it snows, the mail will be late. 221 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,140 The mail is late. Therefore, it's snowing. You should be able to find a counterexample. 222 00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:48,430 In other words, a situation where the premises are true and the conclusions false. 223 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:53,110 OK, so let's say the mailman had a puncture. OK? 224 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:58,480 If it snows, the mail will be late. The mail is late. Therefore, it's Snowbell. 225 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:05,560 No, you know, it's actually the mailman's had a puncture instead or he got up drunk or, you know, whatever happens there. 226 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:11,020 All sorts of reasons why the mail might be late. In addition to it's snowing. 227 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:19,840 So we can't go from the comfort, from the affirmation of the antecedent, to the affirmation of the conclusion, 228 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:32,390 whereas we can go from this one to that conclusion presupposes some causal relationship between Snowy, 229 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:41,570 which goes in one direction, whereas the second one causations does not. 230 00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:47,680 Well, it doesn't go in the right direction. Exactly. 231 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,290 But the fact is, if you have any argument of that form, you will have a valid argument. 232 00:23:53,290 --> 00:23:58,120 Whereas if you have any argument of that form, you won't. Let's. I'll show you what I mean by that. 233 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:02,230 Hang on. I'll have to find one I haven't written on. And then I might be able to find where I am. 234 00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:14,620 So you'll have to wait by. If P then Q p therefore. 235 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:22,000 Q Okay. Can you see that that's a formalisation of this argument. 236 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:29,070 What does P stand for here? Sorry, not the premise. 237 00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:34,290 No, not at all. Sorry if P then Q formalises the whole premise, doesn't it? 238 00:24:34,290 --> 00:24:39,900 What does P stand for? Now you're all too clever. 239 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:50,100 You're all too clever. No. Have a look at that premise and tell me what I've taken out and replaced with a sentence letter. 240 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,640 Thank you. It is snowing or it snows. Yes. 241 00:24:53,640 --> 00:25:00,540 So, Piers, it snows. So if it snows, then the mail will be late. 242 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:05,340 Exactly. So you say you've got it now. You didn't know you could all do logic, therefore. 243 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:10,620 Sorry, P. So this says it is snowing. Notice I should probably put it. 244 00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:14,490 If it is snowing then the mail will be late and I didn't. But ok. It is snowing. 245 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:18,330 Therefore the mail will be late. 246 00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:34,710 Thank you. OK then we've got if p then Q q therefore p and noticed that whereas every all arguments that form it 247 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:41,010 doesn't matter what you put in there that would be valid and it doesn't matter what you put in here, 248 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:47,940 it wouldn't be valid would it. So if we, if we make P let's change the interpretation. 249 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:53,580 So if I do this, if you are a student doing this, you would have to and you gave me these arguments. 250 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:58,080 So I'd say, where's your interpretation? And if you hadn't provided one, you would lose marks. 251 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,880 Okay, so let's give an interpretation, Piers. It is snowing. 252 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,670 And Q is the male. We'll be late. 253 00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:17,740 Who's going to try it actually try? Now try and give me another interpretation of those sentence letters. 254 00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:21,730 OK, so forget about snow in the mail. Give another interpretation. 255 00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:29,500 Think about Marianne lecturing or Marianne wedding dresses or it's being Monday all. 256 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:33,650 Do you know what you're doing? You're all looking very. Okay. You're just looking serious. 257 00:26:33,650 --> 00:26:43,110 Good. It's serious stuff. Shush. 258 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:46,860 Don't yell out. You're all trying it. I'll tell you what, when you've got one. 259 00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:52,420 Put your hand up. And just keep it up till I. OK. 260 00:26:52,420 --> 00:27:12,460 So you're looking for another sentence for P. And another sentence for Q, which gives you a an argument. 261 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:20,410 OK, gentlemen, back there. What have you got? Yeah. 262 00:27:20,410 --> 00:27:28,500 Well, you don't need the F because the interpretation is only four P, so P is. 263 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:33,670 No, not if just Obama wins. Do you see what I mean? 264 00:27:33,670 --> 00:27:37,510 Because if is a logical word here. Yes. 265 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:45,940 That's right. Okay. Q Is the Democrats. Democrats will be pleased. 266 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:52,420 So if we pull that in here, we've got. If Obama wins, then the Democrats will be pleased. 267 00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:59,140 Obama actually got a problem here, haven't we? Because notice we've got 10 said, which immediately causes a problem. 268 00:27:59,140 --> 00:28:04,150 But let's forget that for a minute, shall I say. Obama wins. 269 00:28:04,150 --> 00:28:07,420 Therefore, the Democrats will be pleased. Okay, here we go. 270 00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:11,770 If Obama wins, then the Democrats will be pleased. The Democrats are pleased. 271 00:28:11,770 --> 00:28:21,330 Therefore, Obama won. I mean, there must be something else that would please them, wouldn't it? 272 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:25,140 Okay. How about someone else? Let's have just one more. 273 00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:35,590 Okay. You want to have a go? Hang on, what's P. 274 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:43,930 Milkman arrives. Okay. And queue is my dog barks. 275 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:54,610 Okay, so if the milk that arrives in the morning, then the dog pops the milk there arrived, therefore the dog barks. 276 00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:58,120 If the milkman arrives, then the dog barks. The dog barks. 277 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,920 Therefore, the milkman has arrived. You can see what's going on, can't you? 278 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:14,170 Any argument to this form means that because the thing is p maybe a sufficient condition for Q but is not a necessary condition for Q is it. 279 00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:21,670 So it's a sufficient condition of the male being late that the snow, that it's snowing, but it's not a necessary condition. 280 00:29:21,670 --> 00:29:27,070 And this fallacious argument here suggests it is a necessary condition. 281 00:29:27,070 --> 00:29:34,300 And that's why it's never gonna work. Okay. Well, you see, you're all doing logic and that's what you're all doing. 282 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:38,800 Formal logic immediately. Fantastic. Okay. 283 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:45,820 So that's deduction. And the nice thing about deduction is it gives you certainty if the premises are true. 284 00:29:45,820 --> 00:29:52,060 The conclusion must be true. But of course, that that's quite a big if, isn't it? 285 00:29:52,060 --> 00:30:00,700 If the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. Often we may not know whether the premises are true or not. 286 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:09,760 And therefore, we won't know whether the conclusions true. But the fact that we know the argument is valid is nevertheless useful, isn't it? 287 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,650 Because the validity will preserve the truth of the conclusions. 288 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:24,490 So well then if we can show by scientific methods or whatever that the conclusion the premises are true, we will know that the conclusion is true. 289 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:34,140 And if we can show by empirical means or whatever that the premise that the conclusion is false, then what do we know? 290 00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:42,640 Good. One of the premises is false. Exactly. So we learn a lot from a valid argument that has a false conclusion. 291 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:52,390 We learn that one of the premises must be false. We say, yes, you can at least one of the premises because it needn't be more than one, 292 00:30:52,390 --> 00:30:57,340 just one false premises quite sufficient to to show that the conclusion might be false. 293 00:30:57,340 --> 00:31:03,340 Not not is false, but might be false. Okay, good. 294 00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:08,430 Fantastic. In fact, shame about the day Ontake logic, wasn't it? 295 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:13,250 We might have to go back to that as you're proving yourself to be so good at logic. 296 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:20,770 Okay. Let's have a look at induction now. Induction is different. An inductive argument is don't give a certainty. 297 00:31:20,770 --> 00:31:28,660 What they give us is more or less probability. So probability is a matter of degree in a way that validity isn't. 298 00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:34,150 Validity is an either all matter, either an argument is valid or it isn't. 299 00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:40,130 Whereas induction gives this probability and that's a matter of degree. 300 00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:49,090 Okay. You can have strong probability or weak probability. So if we look at this argument here every day in history, the sun has risen. 301 00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:52,420 Therefore, the sun will rise again. I should have put tomorrow in that. 302 00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:58,630 But tomorrow. Okay. That's a pretty strong inductive argument, isn't it? 303 00:31:58,630 --> 00:32:00,940 In fact, we're all pretty well relying on it. 304 00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:08,680 Anyone who's got a lunch appointment tomorrow, for example, is relying on a dentist's appointment or anything else. 305 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,390 But of course, it's not. It doesn't give us certainty, does it? 306 00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:19,630 Because we might be wrong, tomorrow might be the day when the laws of nature are just going to change, 307 00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:25,810 the fact that it's always been like that in the past doesn't mean that it's always going to be like that in the future. 308 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:32,620 The fact that the laws of nature, of always being the same in the past doesn't mean they're always going to be the same in the future. 309 00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:40,730 It was Hume who pointed out that, as a matter of fact, I mean, it just could be that the. 310 00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:45,740 Hi, this strong your deductive argument is it's not going to give you certainty. 311 00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:49,910 Russell talked about the chicken who every day and the whole of his life. 312 00:32:49,910 --> 00:32:54,260 The farmer had come out and given him food and the chicken. 313 00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:59,030 Here comes the farmer. And he thought, Oh, good. Him food's coming. Course, he got his neck wrong. 314 00:32:59,030 --> 00:33:04,910 Now, how do we know that we're not in that position with respect to the sun rising tomorrow? 315 00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:12,350 And what Hume said is we don't. There is nothing you can do to show that there's anything more than probability here. 316 00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:17,930 Because that argument rests on the idea that nature is uniform. 317 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:20,320 Why do you believe that nature is uniform? 318 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:27,170 In other words, that the future will be like the past because the future always has been like the past, hasn't it? 319 00:33:27,170 --> 00:33:32,870 Well, that's no argument, because that is itself an inductive argument, isn't it? 320 00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:55,810 Why is the future, not the past? It always has been like the past. You know, there's this now, it's like trying to hop around on one leg here cause. 321 00:33:55,810 --> 00:34:02,110 No. It's certainly true that that's in induction. 322 00:34:02,110 --> 00:34:10,450 You're going from something observed or something that has happened to your REM. 323 00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:15,230 What's the word? Mind's gone blank. 324 00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:22,190 No. When you project into the future, extrapolate. 325 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:26,360 Whoever said as traveller. That's what I meant. You're extrapolating into the future, aren't you? 326 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,910 So, for example, here's another inductive argument. I think you'll agree it's not a terribly strong one. 327 00:34:31,910 --> 00:34:35,390 Every time you've seen me, I've been wearing earrings. That's probably true. Is it? 328 00:34:35,390 --> 00:34:41,270 Especially if you've only seen me last week and this week. And next time you see me, I'll be wearing earrings. 329 00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:44,420 Now, that is an inductive argument, isn't it? 330 00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:51,540 There's some probability there. But I think you'd agree it's not as strong as that one, because next time you see me, 331 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:57,740 it might be as I'm going out to get the paper in the morning before I even put clothes on. 332 00:34:57,740 --> 00:35:03,060 Dressing gown on something. I don't wear earrings with my dressing gown. 333 00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:10,100 And anyway, we know too much about human beings, too. To assume that that's a good inductive argument. 334 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:16,430 So in deduction, you get certainty and it doesn't need to be about the past or the future. 335 00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:23,340 It can be about anything at all with induction. You are extrapolating from not the story of the past. 336 00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:31,370 You could easily extrapolate from the present to something else. So all the chairs in this lecture room are blue. 337 00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:36,130 Therefore, the chairs in the next lecture room are going to be blue. Now, there's no time element in that, is there? 338 00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:40,430 There's just a you know. Is that a good inductive argument? 339 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:46,110 Well, it's sort of. 340 00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:50,720 No, it's not very good, is it? Certainly, no, it's not as good as that one. 341 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,990 OK. So these are two types of argument. 342 00:35:53,990 --> 00:36:01,160 And when you've got De Ontake logic or conditional, logical, modal, logical, whatever, you'll get arguments of this kind. 343 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,480 For example, the argument I was trying to convince you of lying is wrong. 344 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,950 Therefore, you shouldn't lie. Kant believe that's a deductive argument. 345 00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:18,950 Okay. Because the premise entails the conclusion. If the premise is true, the conclusion can't be false. 346 00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:29,950 Now, some people disagree with Kant, in which case that wouldn't be a deductive argument, wouldn't obviously be a an inductive one either, instantly. 347 00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:40,300 There are other types of argument. Those are. This is where I'm told that one, haven't we? 348 00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:45,090 And we've had that one of those arguments by analogy. 349 00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:53,710 Anyone tell me what one of those is? Give me a very famous one, perhaps to do with watches. 350 00:36:53,710 --> 00:37:02,620 Anyone read Dawkins book The God Delusion? He talks about a very famous argument from an analogy. 351 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,570 Can anyone tell me what it is? The Blind Watchmaker. 352 00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:11,320 Exactly. So. So the universe is like a watch. A watch has a maker. 353 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:18,130 Therefore, the universe has a maker. OK. Dawkins thinks that's an appalling argument and he's probably right. 354 00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:27,250 But it's an argument from analogy. What do you do with an object from analogies is you find something that's like something else. 355 00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:32,260 And so if A you've got A is P okay. 356 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:40,540 Has this property P, A is like B or B is like A, therefore B has P as well. 357 00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:46,270 Okay, so A. has this property B is like A therefore B has this property too. 358 00:37:46,270 --> 00:37:55,360 And of course there the, the premise of similarity is absolutely crucial because if you haven't got the similarity there then you can't, 359 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,520 you haven't got the conclusion either. And of course there are arguments from causation. 360 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,380 If A causes B, then you don't get an A without a B. 361 00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:13,060 Okay. And the reason that that's a valid argument is that you assume that causation brings correlation. 362 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:23,060 If A cause is B and you get any without a B, then that shows you that A doesn't cause B because an A isn't sufficient for a B. 363 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:26,270 Okay. Right. Well, let's let's move on from there. 364 00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:32,090 Those are the types of arguments and what's important about any argument, 365 00:38:32,090 --> 00:38:39,830 whatever sort of arguments it is, is that if you want to evaluate it, you've got to ask two questions. 366 00:38:39,830 --> 00:38:46,730 And the question is, you've got to ask, are these all the premises true? And is the argument valid? 367 00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:57,530 And in the case of a deductive argument, what you're asking is, is it the case that if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true? 368 00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:58,760 OK. That's what you're asking. 369 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:08,000 If the argument is deductive and if it's inductive, you're asking, is it the case that the premises provide good reason to believe the conclusion? 370 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,900 So how strong a reason to the premises providers to believe the conclusion? 371 00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:18,230 So those are the the two questions you've got to ask. 372 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:26,060 It doesn't matter what the argument is, if you're reading Descartes or you're reading the leader in today's newspaper. 373 00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:30,170 What you've got to do is try and firstly analyse the argument. 374 00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:36,440 In other words, set it out. Logic, books, style, identify. The first thing you go for is a conclusion. 375 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,760 Identify what it is this person is arguing for. Okay. 376 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,660 That's the conclusion. And then find out what he's using as his reasons. 377 00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:51,980 And once you've identified those, you've got the premises. So you should be able to set it out. 378 00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:59,570 Premise one premise to conclusion. And then you ask, okay, what do I think of these premises? 379 00:39:59,570 --> 00:40:03,470 Are they good premises? What do I think of this argument? 380 00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:07,190 Is is it valid? In other words, if the premises were true, 381 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:14,540 would the conclusion have to be true or do the premises provide me with at least good reason to believe the conclusion? 382 00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:17,820 And if either of the answers to the question, too, I'm sorry, 383 00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:25,490 the court answer to either of these questions is no, then you don't have a good argument. 384 00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:32,660 If the answer to both those questions is yes, you might have a good argument. 385 00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:41,960 It's not sufficient. Let me give you an argument that satisfies both of these. 386 00:40:41,960 --> 00:41:05,810 Get lost again. OK. Now is the promise. 387 00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:09,690 OK, here's the premise. Here's the conclusion. OK. 388 00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:14,610 It's the premise of this argument. True. Okay. 389 00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:20,790 It says whales are mammals. Therefore, whales are mammals. 390 00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:29,910 Okay. The premise is true. Okay. Is there any possible situation in which the premise is true and the conclusion false? 391 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:34,290 There isn't. Is that how could there be? The conclusion is the same as the premise. 392 00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:41,910 Okay, that is a circular argument. Circular circular arguments are valid. 393 00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:47,700 How could they not be. If the premise is amongst its sorry, if the conclusion is amongst the premises, 394 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:53,250 then then there can't be any situation in which the premises are true and the conclusion false. 395 00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:57,540 So that's a valid argument. But what's wrong with that is it's circular. 396 00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:00,300 You're not going to learn anything from that argument. 397 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:09,140 So the fact that you answer yes to both those questions isn't sufficient for it being a good argument, but it's certainly necessary. 398 00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:12,690 And that as a philosopher, those are the two questions that. 399 00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:20,370 Well, actually, as a philosopher. That's the one that bothers you. It's it's often scientists who are interested in that one. 400 00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:25,470 So, for example, every swane I've ever seen has been white. 401 00:42:25,470 --> 00:42:30,000 Therefore, all swans are white. Okay. 402 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,410 Well, it may be true that every swan I've ever seen has been white. 403 00:42:34,410 --> 00:42:41,380 I need to find out now whether that's a sufficient reason for thinking that the swan in the next room is white. 404 00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:45,990 I mean, if it's true that all swans White Swan in the next room will be white, won't it? 405 00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:52,800 But my job is to go into the next room and see if it's white. And if it isn't, what do I know? 406 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,030 Well, either this isn't a swan, okay. 407 00:42:57,030 --> 00:43:02,580 Or that it's not the case that all swans white and maybe we would say it isn't a swan. 408 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:07,600 I mean, you must have heard when Mrs Thatcher in people saying she's the best man in the cabinet. 409 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,470 Okay, here's the argument. All women are passive. Mrs Thatcher is a woman. 410 00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:19,410 Therefore, Mrs Thatcher is passive. That is the argument. Well, Mrs Thatcher clearly isn't passive. 411 00:43:19,410 --> 00:43:23,340 Therefore, either she's not a woman or not. 412 00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:27,740 All women are passive, but you know them. Do you see how it works here? 413 00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:41,240 Often depends on logic. Precisely because it tells us what we ought to think and then somehow confounds us. 414 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:57,000 Mm hmm. All the same. 415 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:03,100 Yeah, well. Therefore, actually just marks the conclusion of an argument. 416 00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:09,120 It says I am. The thing about an argument is its its premises giving reasons for a conclusion. 417 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,480 And we can give any premises as reasons for any conclusions. 418 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:20,780 So if I say Melbourne is in Australia, the sea is salt. 419 00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:26,030 Therefore, Paris is the capital of France. 420 00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:30,560 Okay. Now that sounds like a really bad argument, doesn't it? 421 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,220 But I could tell you a story about how here we are. 422 00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:39,980 We're all not only we all terribly ignorant, really very badly ignorance. 423 00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:47,720 And we have been told that these two sentences are such that if they are true, this third sentence is true. 424 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:53,630 Okay. The first sentence is the sea is salt. The second sentence is Melbourne's in Australia. 425 00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:57,400 So I say, OK, you go off and find out where the sea is salt. 426 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,020 OK. You go off and find out where the Melbourne is in Australia. 427 00:45:00,020 --> 00:45:05,600 So you scurry and you find the nearest encyclopaedia or dictionaries on you come back and say the sea is salt. 428 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:11,900 You come back and say, Melbourne's in Australia. And I say, therefore, Paris is the capital of France. 429 00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:21,970 OK. Do you see then there is an argument there. And what's made those premises provide us with reason for the conclusion is the context. 430 00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:31,180 Isn't it? By providing a context, I could make those apparently completely irrelevant sentences an argument. 431 00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:39,160 So therefore just stands for a conclusion to say, I am saying that that is reason to believe that. 432 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:46,300 Now, notice something else. If I had lots of other sentences in here. 433 00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:55,810 I'm going to change the fact that this argument's valid. 434 00:45:55,810 --> 00:45:59,680 Well, let's put it, it's not the case that mammals, whales are mammals. 435 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:06,340 It's not the case. Not whales. 436 00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:11,790 All mammals. Whales are amongst them mammals. 437 00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:22,170 Therefore, whales are mammals. Now, is there any situation where both those premises are true and that conclusions false? 438 00:46:22,170 --> 00:46:26,610 Actually, that's a. They can't both be true. 439 00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:35,880 Can they? So is this argument valid? Yes, it is, because there's no possible situation in which the premises are true. 440 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:43,220 So how can there be a possible situation in which the premises are true and the conclusion false? 441 00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:47,780 And I'm going to do a truth table here, which is probably asking for trouble. 442 00:46:47,780 --> 00:47:03,140 But let's let's do it, shall we? Let's. Okay. 443 00:47:03,140 --> 00:47:16,670 This is using the notion of possible worlds to explain something. 444 00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:22,700 OK, I've got it. Thank you. P therefore. Q No, I don't want that. 445 00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:50,040 Hold on. Sorry. I'm changing my mind. Let's try this, OK? 446 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,000 Each of these each sentence can be either true or false. 447 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,910 Can't it? OK. Most. 448 00:47:56,910 --> 00:48:03,000 I mean, let's assume for the moment, if you've got a sentence, the cat sat on the mat or Marion's wearing a dress or something like that. 449 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,290 It could either be true or it can be false if it's contingence sentence. 450 00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:16,170 So this truth table represents every possible world with respect to the combination of truth values here. 451 00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:20,370 OK. So this is a world in which P is true and Q is true. 452 00:48:20,370 --> 00:48:27,300 Okay. This is the world in which. Tell me. Good. 453 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:32,040 Okay. This is the world in which u.s. That's right. 454 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,950 And this is the world in which they're both false. Absolutely. 455 00:48:35,950 --> 00:48:43,240 That you do. You're really doing well here. And they talked and undergraduates can't do that. 456 00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:51,390 And it's because they haven't separated the possible worlds because each these possible worlds is quite separate from me, from the other. 457 00:48:51,390 --> 00:49:01,460 Okay. Now, in the world where if we just take P here in the worlds where P is true, then the premise here is going to be true, isn't it? 458 00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:06,180 Okay. And in the world where P is true here, the premise is going to be true. 459 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:13,180 Okay. And in the world by appears false. And false again. 460 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:19,150 Exactly, so. OK. And that's going to be the same here because we've got exactly the same letter here. 461 00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:24,280 OK. Now, do we know whether this argument is valid? We'll look at a structure in turn. 462 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,950 Is this a world in which the premise is true and the conclusions false? 463 00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:34,420 No. Okay, so that's OK. It's valid. 464 00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:41,300 There is this world where the premise is true and the conclusion false. 465 00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:49,720 Hang on. This is number two, the second world. Is this a world where the premise is true and the conclusion false? 466 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:55,900 No, it isn't. That's okay. Is this a world where the premise is true and the conclusion false? 467 00:49:55,900 --> 00:50:00,280 No. And is this world where the premise is true and the conclusion false? 468 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:06,880 No, I don't. Who said yes? Look, is this a world where the premise is true? 469 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,290 And the conclusion false? No. 470 00:50:11,290 --> 00:50:17,350 So there's no possible world. Does each of these is a possible world and these are all possible worlds. 471 00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:22,670 And there isn't one where the premise is true and the conclusion false is the. 472 00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:27,050 This is a circular argument, so we know that this argument is valid. 473 00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:32,690 Now I'm going to add not pee in here, session's about it queue at all. 474 00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:36,860 I've just complicated things by adding you ignore it. 475 00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:41,180 That's not pee. OK, what's the truth? Value here is true. 476 00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:45,470 So in this world, not P is false. 477 00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:52,010 Good. So that's not that is not OK in this world. 478 00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:55,970 P is true. So not P is false. 479 00:50:55,970 --> 00:51:03,290 Again in this world P is false. So not P is true. 480 00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:08,570 You really do well. Okay. And in this world P is false. So not P is true. 481 00:51:08,570 --> 00:51:17,330 Okay. So now we're looking at two premises and let's see if we can find a world in which the premises are true and the conclusion false. 482 00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:22,220 Okay, so this world, the world number one, we've got two premises. 483 00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:29,960 Is this a world where the premises are both true? And the conclusion false? 484 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,280 No, because the premise is not both true. This one's false, isn't it? 485 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,580 So, okay, this is valid. That's all right. Here's one. OK. 486 00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:44,980 Is this a world where the premises are both true and the conclusion false? No, it isn't, is it OK? 487 00:51:44,980 --> 00:51:49,310 Is this a world where the premises are both true and the conclusion false? No. 488 00:51:49,310 --> 00:51:55,430 And is this a world in which the premises both true and conditional? So is the argument valid? 489 00:51:55,430 --> 00:52:05,870 Yes, good, really good. I think the thing is you can at any premiss to a circular argument. 490 00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:13,740 And it remains valid. So it may be that a circular argument when I look at that, therefore, you think this isn't an argument. 491 00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:15,420 So obviously not valid. 492 00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:24,770 Now, if I were a politician wanting to to kick sand in your face, the best way to do it would be to offer you a circular argument. 493 00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:28,880 But in the media, blind you with science, hide the premise. 494 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,440 That is the conclusion in amongst lots of other premises. 495 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,270 So you wouldn't see you. 496 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:44,420 That therefore would sound fine to you then, because it looks as if you'd have an argument that actually it wouldn't change the validity, would it? 497 00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:53,440 You as a rational animal would recognise the validity. What you wouldn't recognise is that the argument is valid because it's circular. 498 00:52:53,440 --> 00:53:00,800 Are you with me? So circular arguments are jolly useful if you're trying to confuse someone. 499 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:07,040 And the reason they're useful is because you, as rational animals, are validity detectors. 500 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:13,040 That's what you do. You know, if we're in the pub and I'm giving you an argument, you're sitting there thinking is such a good argument. 501 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,660 Is she right? It's. You're asking yourself whether my argument is valid. 502 00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:26,500 You're setting yourself to validity detection node. 503 00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:33,080 Chris. If they if somebody. Mm hmm. 504 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:39,450 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 505 00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:45,890 You could use it. The thing about that is it's self-referential because the liar. 506 00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:52,880 If if I say I'm telling the truth and you don't know whether I'm lying or a liar or not. 507 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,600 You don't know whether that sentence is true. 508 00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:05,590 But, yes, you could use truth tables for that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 509 00:54:05,590 --> 00:54:17,010 Two different answers. Still give you. I'm just a bit confused, my first one was that one. 510 00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:21,950 So you could keep that you could you could use that. 511 00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:29,400 Were you being confused by the fact I put you in there? Do you think or were you being confused by the fact I wrote that out? 512 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:39,320 First you say. Well, a mammals, therefore, whales are not mammals. 513 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:47,280 Yeah. Okay. 514 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:53,540 Yeah. If you look at it, that that's truth table. I've just done exactly that argument. 515 00:54:53,540 --> 00:55:01,560 If we provide the interpretation that says P is whales are mammals. 516 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,910 Do you see, because when you look at that, Piers, whales are mammals, not pee. 517 00:55:06,910 --> 00:55:11,650 Sorry. This is Piers, whales, mammals. 518 00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:16,570 This says it's not the case. The whales are mammals and this is whales are mammals. 519 00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:21,390 So that's the truth table for that argument. 520 00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:26,370 Yes. And I do that, and I then didn't do it because I realised it wasn't circular. 521 00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:32,410 But if I do the truth table for that one, what's going to happen? 522 00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:44,500 Does anyone recognise this argument? If P, then Q, p, therefore Q. 523 00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:59,880 He's not going to come out valid. It's not circular because the queue isn't a premiss, the queue is part of a premiss and that's different. 524 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:07,500 That's okay. So that's not circular. If you had queue in here, it would be a circular argument and it would be valid for that reason. 525 00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:15,470 What's this argument? You've seen it today already. Or rather, this is a formalisation of an argument you've seen today. 526 00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:19,560 So thank you. Exactly. So if it's snowing in, the mail will be late. 527 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:29,280 It is snowing. Therefore, the mail will be late. And if I write out the truth table and you'll just have to take these four. 528 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:35,110 Uh. Whoops. 529 00:56:35,110 --> 00:56:46,960 Yes, that's right. Uh. OK, let's leave there for. 530 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,820 Is this a world in which the premises are all true and the conclusion false? 531 00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:56,810 No. OK. So that's right. Is this a will that the premises are all true and the conclusion false? 532 00:56:56,810 --> 00:57:02,080 No. Is this one where the premises are all true and the conclusion false? Is this one? 533 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:13,000 No. OK. So that argument is valid. But if I change this to a Q. 534 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:52,400 Sorry, I'll get another pen, because it's a. Uh. 535 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,050 Okay. Is this a world where the premises are all true? 536 00:57:57,050 --> 00:58:00,590 And the conclusion false? Okay. 537 00:58:00,590 --> 00:58:05,360 Is this a well with the premises rolled through and the conclusion false? No. 538 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:12,170 Is this a world where the premises Royal Troon, the conclusion false? It is, isn't it? 539 00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:21,410 Okay. That is quite sufficient to show that this argument, any argument of that form is invalid, 540 00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:26,660 because here's a world just here's a possible world in which the premises are true and the 541 00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:32,080 conclusion falls and all the rest becomes irrelevant because you only need one counterexample. 542 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:44,030 And we can even say what the counterexample is because that argument is invalid in the world where P is false. 543 00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:53,580 And Q is true. So if we put in the interpretation we had before, what was P? 544 00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:59,790 It's snowing and Q is the male is late. 545 00:58:59,790 --> 00:59:08,010 So in the world where P is false. In other words, it's not snowing, but the male is late because of that puncture. 546 00:59:08,010 --> 00:59:12,780 That's the counterexample to this argument. Do you see. 547 00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:18,280 Do you see how useful logic is? It's fantastic. And you say you're doing it now. 548 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:26,010 Okay. You've got a fair amount of help here, but it wouldn't take me long to show you how to do this yourself. 549 00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:32,160 The really difficult bit is the interpretation from English into formal logic. 550 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:38,590 That's that's the really difficult bit. But this bit dead simple once you know how to do it. 551 00:59:38,590 --> 00:59:41,430 And this is formal logic. Okay. Right. 552 00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:48,690 Actually, that takes me quite neatly onto the next slide, because I wanted to point out that there are two sorts of logic. 553 00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:59,490 So far we've been looking at formal logic. But I also want say something about philosophical logic, because that's a bit different. 554 00:59:59,490 --> 01:00:03,620 But firstly, just to say something a bit more about formal logic. 555 01:00:03,620 --> 01:00:11,510 You've got to distinguish film from contents, the form of the argument from the content of the argument. 556 01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:18,860 So this is the form of the argument up here. The content is supplied by the interpretation. 557 01:00:18,860 --> 01:00:25,940 So you notice that you give this a completely different interpretation. But the form would still be the same. 558 01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:32,720 And that's actually very important because what that tells us is that logic is topic neutral. 559 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,750 Once you know how to do logic, it doesn't matter what subject you're talking about. 560 01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:43,940 The logic will work for any subject at all. So let's look at this one. 561 01:00:43,940 --> 01:00:48,500 Let's look at here are two arguments. Sorry, I'll move this over. 562 01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:54,110 All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore, Socrates is mortal. 563 01:00:54,110 --> 01:01:01,490 All actions that produce the greatest happiness, the greatest number are right. That action produces the greatest happiness of the greatest number. 564 01:01:01,490 --> 01:01:09,530 Therefore, that action was right. Now, can you see that these two arguments, completely different subject matter only. 565 01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:14,660 This is about mortality. And Socrates. And that's about ethics. 566 01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:18,950 The greatest happiness is the greatest number, etc. But they've got the same form. 567 01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:24,320 And now I want you to practise your logic by telling me what the form of this argument is. 568 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:29,810 Okay. Work it out for yourself and then put your hands up when you've got it without yelling it out. 569 01:01:29,810 --> 01:01:33,530 Work out what the form of that argument is. 570 01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:41,290 Remember that there are logical words and there are English words and it's the logical words you want to leave in. 571 01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:49,820 And the English word. Well, they're all English words, but these are logical words in provide an interpretation for the non logical words. 572 01:01:49,820 --> 01:02:04,700 Don't worry if you find this difficult. This is difficult stuff. Put up your hands if you think you've got it. 573 01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:39,340 Let me give you a tip that all is a word that you live in and is is a word that you'll leave in. 574 01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:48,790 Put up your hand if you think you've got knots of. Good. 575 01:02:48,790 --> 01:03:13,260 We're getting that. Symbolic logic because of the form is captured in symbols. 576 01:03:13,260 --> 01:03:20,910 Good. Okay. Good food, you want to have a go? Okay. 577 01:03:20,910 --> 01:03:31,640 Oh, no. Oh, surely somebody could invent something better than this. 578 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:37,830 Do you think what a crayon. 579 01:03:37,830 --> 01:03:44,570 Yes. Yes. Would work, wouldn't it. All. 580 01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:48,960 All. A is B o, all A's, r, b. 581 01:03:48,960 --> 01:04:02,700 Can I. Can I change it? Yeah. Okay. All A's are B and C is A therefore give the girl a gold star. 582 01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:08,360 Fantastic. You said all A's r b. 583 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,970 S isn't a therefore s is a B. A lot of us out there. 584 01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:18,170 Well, let's provide the interpretation for each of these arguments. 585 01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:23,670 Okay. So the interpretation says, what does a mean. What does he mean. 586 01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:28,050 And what does s mean. And we've got two arguments. 587 01:04:28,050 --> 01:04:35,680 So we need to provide two interpretations. This is a here. 588 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:43,720 If you do decide if we do, the first argument first acts as a man is what it is, 589 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,100 actually I'll put that in because these are projects is a man is a predicate. 590 01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:53,380 So you need to have a place holder. X is a man. 591 01:04:53,380 --> 01:04:57,330 B is. X is mortal. 592 01:04:57,330 --> 01:05:03,110 Yep. An s. Socrates. 593 01:05:03,110 --> 01:05:16,160 Well done. OK. The interpretation here A is X is a bit long winded, this one. 594 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:24,640 A is an action, an action that produces the greater toughness. What's the gross number? 595 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,510 And B is is right. 596 01:05:28,510 --> 01:05:34,610 X is right. Well done. And X is. 597 01:05:34,610 --> 01:05:41,360 Well done, well done, that action, because that action is a designator, isn't it? 598 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:47,990 That action, it picks out one particular thing, in this case, an action in the same way that Socrates is a designator. 599 01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:54,710 It picks out one particular thing, Socrates. So we're saying the first one. 600 01:05:54,710 --> 01:06:01,520 Anything that's a man is mortal. So anything that has this property also has that property. 601 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:07,440 Socrates has this property, the first one. Therefore, Socrates has the other one. 602 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:13,210 OK. And we're saying exactly the same thing in that one, except we're talking about something completely different. 603 01:06:13,210 --> 01:06:19,070 We're talking about actions and whether they produce the great stuff in disgrace number or not. 604 01:06:19,070 --> 01:06:28,040 So do you see why logic is topic neutral? Once you've learnt logic, it doesn't matter what you're thinking about. 605 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,120 You can think clearly about it. 606 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:37,160 And this is one of the joys of being a philosopher as far as I'm concerned, because it means you can put your nose in anywhere. 607 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:43,760 It really doesn't matter what you're talking about. There's a philosophy, a mind, a philosophy, a biology, a philosophy of chairs. 608 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:52,010 Probably somebody was trying to persuade me to run a weekend school on the philosophy of accountancy yesterday. 609 01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:55,000 If anyone would like to do that, they can share it. 610 01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:02,990 No, actually, I'm sure that there is a philosophy of accountancy and actually, if there are, I'm sure, philosophical issues in there. 611 01:07:02,990 --> 01:07:14,000 There is a philosophy of everything because of this logic is the methodology of philosophy, and it can be applied to any subject at all. 612 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,500 And that's because logic is topic neutral. Okay, let's move on. 613 01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:23,600 So what we do in formal logic, as you've seen, is we strip an argument of its content. 614 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:31,130 We're not interested in the content. We reveal its form and then we can test mechanically for validity. 615 01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:36,920 And you've seen me test mechanically for validity here. 616 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,400 That's one way of testing mechanically for validity. Okay. 617 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:46,670 Now, the trouble with that is what happens if I add another premise here. 618 01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:54,080 So I have an AR as well. It hurts to see it's going to get unwieldy, isn't it? 619 01:07:54,080 --> 01:08:03,150 And just for fun, I always get undergraduates to do one with four or five premises in so that their truth table goes on and on and on. 620 01:08:03,150 --> 01:08:11,840 And it's very, very boring to work it out. And then I show them that they can do this instead. 621 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:20,780 I could find a. OK. 622 01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:25,470 Now, you'll just have to believe me that that arrow means if then. 623 01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:34,070 OK, so that that formula there means if P then Q And that little sign there means it is not the case. 624 01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:41,720 So that means not. Q And what I've done here, you remember the argument we had if P then cupie therefore. 625 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:46,040 Q I've got the premise there, the first premise there. 626 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,450 The second premise there. And I've negated the conclusion. Okay. 627 01:08:50,450 --> 01:09:03,140 Because the argument was if P than Q P therefore. Q And I'm saying, well let's pretend that we've got if P then Q P and not Q in other words, 628 01:09:03,140 --> 01:09:08,840 a situation in which the premises are both true and the conclusions false. 629 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:14,300 Let's see if I can find an argument like that or a situation like that. 630 01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:26,870 And I then apply completely mechanical rules that I could again teach you in a in an hour or so to get this. 631 01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:32,110 OK. That's the conditions under which that arch. That is true of that all true. 632 01:09:32,110 --> 01:09:35,740 That is true. Are there two situations? It's true. Just in case. 633 01:09:35,740 --> 01:09:42,880 Not P or Q and you can't. There is no possible worlds with both Q and not Q in it. 634 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:48,430 So that's not a possible world. There is no possible world with not pee and pee in it. 635 01:09:48,430 --> 01:09:50,440 So that's not a possible world. 636 01:09:50,440 --> 01:10:01,240 There is no possible world in which the set consisting of the premises and the negation of the conclusion are true together. 637 01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:10,150 Okay. Now you won't have understood that, but I hope you can see that I know what I'm talking about and that it would be very easy to teach you 638 01:10:10,150 --> 01:10:18,280 how to do this so that all you have to do is any argument at all if you can translate it into symbols. 639 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:23,080 And that's the biggest if if you can introduce it translated into symbols. 640 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,430 There is a set of rules such that you can apply these rules and test it, 641 01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:34,310 just as I have done and say quite categorically, this is a situation in which, sorry, this is an argument is valid. 642 01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:39,730 And let's do the invalid one. Just see again how it works. 643 01:10:39,730 --> 01:10:44,900 The invalid one is if P then Q Q therefore P. 644 01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:53,040 So I'm negating P because that's the conclusion. And I want to see if there's a possible world in which these are all true together 645 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,610 that sets consisting of the premises plus the negation of the conclusion. 646 01:10:57,610 --> 01:11:02,390 Well that's true. Just in case not P or Q again. 647 01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:12,080 But we don't have any contradictions here do we. See we've got not p, not P, q there's one possible world in which that set are all true. 648 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,180 The sentences in that set are all true and we've got Q not P. 649 01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:24,460 Q So that's another world in which the sets consisting of the premises plus the negation of the conclusion are all true. 650 01:11:24,460 --> 01:11:35,270 So either of these, any situation in which Q are not P is true is a counterexample to that argument. 651 01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:39,950 And you go to your interpretation now, you find out what cures you find out what not P is. 652 01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:44,450 And you know what your counterexample is magic, isn't it? 653 01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:54,110 Well, yeah, p it is snowing. Q The male is linked. 654 01:11:54,110 --> 01:12:00,550 Do you see what I mean? I was just doing exactly the same example. Don't worry if you're getting confused that you don't know these rules. 655 01:12:00,550 --> 01:12:05,560 You have no idea why I've represented the truth. 656 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:10,510 Conditions of that like that. And I would have to tell you that. 657 01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:16,330 And I'd also given that that's actually quite difficult to understand, I have to convince you that that is the case. 658 01:12:16,330 --> 01:12:19,450 But I would be able to do it. I promise you. 659 01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:28,600 And once I'd done it, you would then be able to take any argument and show whether or not it's valid or invalid. 660 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:35,830 And one, if if you showed it was invalid, you'd also be able to give me the counterexample because you would know which 661 01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:48,150 world is such that the premises are both true and the conclusion false is nice. 662 01:12:48,150 --> 01:13:03,290 It wasn't the case. He therefore paid. I understanding that as the therefore. 663 01:13:03,290 --> 01:13:09,850 You said P, therefore, Q Yeah. That's not a therefore it's it's an implication, not an entailment. 664 01:13:09,850 --> 01:13:19,330 That's saying if P, then Q not P, therefore. Q. I mean, don't worry too much about that. 665 01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:25,720 That would be. OK. 666 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,260 So what I was asking was just would you be using. I'm just trying to get an idea. 667 01:13:29,260 --> 01:13:35,110 Yeah. Might use that kind of diagram. Is it because you're actually trying to challenge somebody and say, well, in fact. 668 01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:43,750 Yeah. And it's not the case. Well, what I'd be saying is if anyone made this argument, this is the argument they'd make. 669 01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:51,800 They'd be saying if P, then Q and P, then Q. 670 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:58,280 So if these are true, then Q is true. So if it's if it's true that if it's snowing, the mayor will be late. 671 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:03,110 And it's true that it's snowing. Then it must be the case of the male is late. 672 01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:07,370 And I would do this sort of diagram and I'd say, you know, you're right. 673 01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:15,710 That's absolutely right. But then if somebody tried the other argument. So as I'm reading Descartes, for example, and I think, okay, 674 01:14:15,710 --> 01:14:25,250 he what he's saying is that it's possible that all our beliefs about the external world are false. 675 01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:30,170 Okay. And one of his premises is this one of his premises is that one of his premises? 676 01:14:30,170 --> 01:14:37,040 Is this. Is it true that that conclusion really follows from those premises? 677 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:42,710 So I would do the truth table. And I would say, no, it isn't true or yes, it is true. 678 01:14:42,710 --> 01:14:47,500 And that would enable or you could look at the reader and the leader in tonight's paper and say, 679 01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:52,210 okay, here's the argument, premise one premise to premise three. 680 01:14:52,210 --> 01:14:59,900 I'll now formalise the arguments. I'll strip the content out of it and formalise it, and then I'll apply the rules of the predicate. 681 01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:03,560 Calculus would probably be needed. This is the propositional calculus, 682 01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:12,240 but you'd need a slightly more sophisticated one predicate calculus and you'd be able to determine whether the argument is a good one or not. 683 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,070 Because what you're determining is that the argument is a good one or not. 684 01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:20,720 That still doesn't tell you whether the conclusion is true, does it? 685 01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:27,020 Why not? Exactly. 686 01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:33,120 It might be the fact that an argument is valid isn't telling you that the premises are true. 687 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,920 So as a philosopher, what you're interested in is the validity of the argument. 688 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,900 You're also interested in the truth of the premises. 689 01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:48,850 If it's a not if it's a philosophical argument, but it might be an empirical argument, in which case the truth of premises isn't your business. 690 01:15:48,850 --> 01:15:58,440 You know, we don't go around getting our hands dirty ideas. 691 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:13,110 They do say, no, it doesn't work like that because firstly, you've got to be able to formalise an argument. 692 01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:21,120 And there there are huge problems. If this is the class of oral arguments in the world. 693 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:30,940 OK, all arguments here. You can formalise. 694 01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:38,370 I mean, I'm making this up. But let's say you can formalise that many in the predicate calculus. 695 01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:44,040 You can formalise that many in the in day Ontake logic. You can formalise that many in modal logic. 696 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:49,470 This lot. You can't formalise at all. And therefore, you can't apply the rules. 697 01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:55,610 Now, what we hope as formal logicians is that we will learn how to formalise those. 698 01:16:55,610 --> 01:17:00,420 And for example, the predicate calculus was developed only a couple of hundred years ago. 699 01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:07,390 Aristotle developed syllogistic logic. But it took Frager to develop predicate logic. 700 01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:12,030 And that was a huge leap forward. Modal logic has only been developed. 701 01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:17,260 Well, it's still being developed. The logic of probability. Ditto dialectic logic. 702 01:17:17,260 --> 01:17:22,800 We're still working on it. So, you know, you're right at the cutting edge here. 703 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:31,530 I've given you the the knotty calculus. If you want to go and do it for yourself, you'll you'll have to do a lot more than I've given you here. 704 01:17:31,530 --> 01:17:35,880 But you know that. I mean. So, no, it's not the case. 705 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:41,010 And of course, also the real skill is in translating the argument. 706 01:17:41,010 --> 01:17:49,410 And you'd know that if I if I made you do some, because it's really, really difficult to translate from English into a symbolic language. 707 01:17:49,410 --> 01:17:56,330 And there are lots of things left out. And it's very frustratingly inaccurate. And so there are there are real problems. 708 01:17:56,330 --> 01:18:03,970 But but we all do it all the time. Believe me, I sit in my study doing tables like that. 709 01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:12,760 It's much more interesting than you might think. I there are cases there may be more than one promise. 710 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:22,750 Yeah. Well, I mean, there are more there's more than one premise in the arguments I've been doing, of course. 711 01:18:22,750 --> 01:18:28,600 That's one premise. That's another premise. And of course, there could be I mean, there could be 10 premises here. 712 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:38,270 I could still apply these rules. No, no. 713 01:18:38,270 --> 01:18:49,540 You you only need one. That's false. And that's quite sufficient to show that the even if the arguments valid, the conclusion may be false. 714 01:18:49,540 --> 01:18:53,080 Yes. So the number of premises that's true is not very relevant. 715 01:18:53,080 --> 01:19:02,890 It's than if there's at least one that's false. He has a valid argument with a false conclusion. 716 01:19:02,890 --> 01:19:14,570 I think I wrote it down. I know I've written it here. If it's Tuesday, then Marianne isn't lecturing. 717 01:19:14,570 --> 01:19:18,590 It is Tuesday, therefore, Marianne isn't lecturing. Okay. 718 01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:22,340 Well, that's a valid argument, isn't it? You want to hear it again? 719 01:19:22,340 --> 01:19:26,930 If it's Tuesday, then Marianne isn't lecturing. It is Tuesday. 720 01:19:26,930 --> 01:19:33,790 Therefore, Marianne isn't lecturing. Now, if those premises were true, the conclusion would be true, wouldn't it? 721 01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:38,390 Okay. But the premises aren't true, are they? Neither is the conclusion. 722 01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:43,380 So you can have a valid argument with a false conclusion. 723 01:19:43,380 --> 01:19:49,160 If you know that the conclusion is false, of course you can go back and say one of the premises must be false. 724 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:54,770 But there are often situations where we actually don't know whether the conclusion is true or false. 725 01:19:54,770 --> 01:20:05,180 And therefore, we don't know whether the premises are true or false. We know this is logic is in some ways the servant of science in other ways. 726 01:20:05,180 --> 01:20:14,040 Of course, science is the servant of logic. I mean, they they work together. 727 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:20,610 Oh, yes. It tells you a lot. It tells you whether an argument is valid and you know that if. 728 01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:27,250 OK. Think of the difference between something's generating truth and something's preserving truth. 729 01:20:27,250 --> 01:20:32,680 Logic doesn't generate truth. If you haven't got truth in the premises, you won't have it in the conclusion. 730 01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:39,550 But if you have got truth in the premises, you preserve it in the conclusion by using a valid argument. 731 01:20:39,550 --> 01:20:44,620 And that's what you hope you, because there are things that we know about the world. 732 01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:52,160 And there are things that we want to know about the world. So we want to extend our knowledge from what we already have to what we don't already have. 733 01:20:52,160 --> 01:21:01,810 And one of the ways of doing that is, is by using logic. If this is true and this is true, then this must be true. 734 01:21:01,810 --> 01:21:18,530 If this is true, yeah. Yeah. 735 01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:29,260 Well, let's say I'm a scientist and I say, well. If the Higgs bows on exists, then my building, 736 01:21:29,260 --> 01:21:38,800 this whacking Great Hadron Collider at a cost of millions and millions and millions of pounds might enable me to find it. 737 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,950 Of course, if if the Higgs boson doesn't exist. 738 01:21:41,950 --> 01:21:48,640 I've wasted all that money, well, then, you know, they might may show me a few other things, but it won't tell me about the Higgs boson. 739 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:54,070 So if statements are actually we use them all the time. 740 01:21:54,070 --> 01:22:03,340 I mean, if you think of any of your practical reasoning that says, okay, I want to do liver for supper tonight. 741 01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:13,390 Therefore, I need some onions or something like that. I haven't got any Anand's that you're using if statements to generate conclusions about 742 01:22:13,390 --> 01:22:22,390 actions or conclusions about knowledge or you can't you can't reason without if statements. 743 01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:27,770 This is. Yeah. I mean, it was when this was developed that computing became possible. 744 01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:32,440 Yeah. Yeah. 745 01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:37,120 Absolutely the same. Exactly. So. Yeah. Yeah. No. 746 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:45,120 I mean what you're doing when you're doing, applying those truth tables and the Tablo rules is acting like a computer. 747 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:58,630 You're making like a computer. There is a tendency towards a new ice age in the proceedings. 748 01:22:58,630 --> 01:23:02,820 Exactly. I mean, you might have two conflicting theories. 749 01:23:02,820 --> 01:23:07,150 Are you saying if this is true, then this will be the results? Let's see if this is the result. 750 01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:15,660 But if this is true, this will be the result. And if we can find out whether it's this or that, then I know which there is the correct one. 751 01:23:15,660 --> 01:23:26,470 Do you see all reasoning? You cannot do without. If statements. And I can tell you under exactly what conditions, if statements would be true. 752 01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:30,940 I might not. I might need to go into the laboratory to see if and if statement is true. 753 01:23:30,940 --> 01:23:41,330 I wouldn't because there's no way laboratory could be. I think it will be because of our activities. 754 01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:52,130 But some people didn't say that. And they say it is a natural thing that's happened to. 755 01:23:52,130 --> 01:24:00,200 So do you see that now we have we have scope for going into the laboratory or the Arctic or wherever we go to find out. 756 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:08,250 But without that bit of reasoning, first, you wouldn't even know what you were looking for. 757 01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:14,970 And the thing is, if logic can rule out something, then there's no point in going to the laboratory at all. 758 01:24:14,970 --> 01:24:25,890 I mean, if I can show an argument is invalid, then any scientist who's trying to get funding on the back of that argument is is in serious trouble. 759 01:24:25,890 --> 01:24:33,270 Because why? Why should I fund him? Okay, moving on, because we've only got five minutes left. 760 01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:39,680 But that's all right because. OK. I was going to talk very briefly about philosophical logic. 761 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:45,240 I've talked about formal logic, but philosophical logic is the philosophy of logic. 762 01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:50,730 I said there are philosophies of everything, including biology, accountancy, whatever. 763 01:24:50,730 --> 01:24:54,450 But the philosophy of logic is, as you can imagine, 764 01:24:54,450 --> 01:25:05,970 pretty damn important to philosophers because the philosophy of Lord of Logic looks at the notions without which logic can't work. 765 01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:09,720 So we've talked about truth a lot today, haven't we? 766 01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:15,750 I've drawn truth tables. I've drawn truth trees. I've said if this is true, that's true. 767 01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:20,490 So the notion of truth is absolutely central. Well, what is truth? 768 01:25:20,490 --> 01:25:24,860 Gone. Tell me you've all sat there looking intelligence as we've talked about truth. 769 01:25:24,860 --> 01:25:33,640 So I assume you understand the word. Tell me, what is truth? 770 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:38,830 Something is correct, what's correct, then? I mean, you're just giving me a synonym there, aren't you? 771 01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:46,730 Whoever it was. Okay, so what? Okay, what is false then? 772 01:25:46,730 --> 01:25:52,020 No. No. Okay. But that doesn't tell me what either are. 773 01:25:52,020 --> 01:25:55,770 It's true. You can't have truth without falsehood. You can't have falsehood without truth. 774 01:25:55,770 --> 01:26:00,030 But what is truth? A fact. Okay. 775 01:26:00,030 --> 01:26:04,620 What's a fact? Let's let's. 776 01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:10,170 What is a fact? Certain knowledge is it is knowledge of fact. 777 01:26:10,170 --> 01:26:14,490 I mean, there's the knowledge that I'm wearing a dress. And there's the fact I'm wearing a dress. 778 01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:20,900 Are they the same thing? No, because there are facts of which we know nothing out there. 779 01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:32,660 So so facts are nothing to do with knowledge, but reality sounds like a synonym for truth here. 780 01:26:32,660 --> 01:26:38,080 A fact is actually something that makes a true sentence true. 781 01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:45,820 Isn't it? Think about it. What and what is a fact? You know, there are facts you can't prove. 782 01:26:45,820 --> 01:26:51,010 I mean, are there three consecutive sevens in the decimal expansion of PI? 783 01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:54,490 If there aren't, then you can't prove it. I'm told there are. 784 01:26:54,490 --> 01:27:01,060 By the way. So that's out of date. But just imagine the decimal expansion of PI is an infinite expansion. 785 01:27:01,060 --> 01:27:07,360 If there aren't three consecutive sevens, there's no way we're to be able to prove it. 786 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:14,900 But it would still be a fact, wouldn't it? So knowledge of a fact and a fact are two quite different things. 787 01:27:14,900 --> 01:27:20,350 And what is a fact? A fact is something that makes a true sentence true. 788 01:27:20,350 --> 01:27:24,130 So talking about facts doesn't tell me anything about truth. So come on. 789 01:27:24,130 --> 01:27:32,000 Come on. You you've all been dealing with truth. What is it? You. 790 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:37,830 So then how do we know we do not need to know it at all? 791 01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:44,160 No, you're all confusing. Not all of you may be epistemology and metaphysics here. 792 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:49,020 Epistemology is what we know and metaphysics is what is the case. 793 01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:53,980 And there are two quite separate things. What are you going to know? 794 01:27:53,980 --> 01:28:00,230 Because a belief is usually to do with knowledge rather than because there might be facts about which we have no beliefs. 795 01:28:00,230 --> 01:28:07,410 I mean, you have no beliefs about my middle name. I shouldn't think you don't even have the belief that I have one. 796 01:28:07,410 --> 01:28:19,920 How do you know whether I have one? Okay, but there's still a fact about my middle name. 797 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:28,170 Irrefutable is to do with proof again, isn't it? Yeah, no, that's again to do with the pistol ology. 798 01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:35,340 The fact is, truth is a very, very difficult. You mentioned correspondence. There are two key theories about truth. 799 01:28:35,340 --> 01:28:41,820 Actually, here's another one. There's some belief that true truth is nothing, that the truth is completely redundant. 800 01:28:41,820 --> 01:28:49,220 Because if I say P is true, I'm not saying anything more than PMI. 801 01:28:49,220 --> 01:28:55,560 If I say peer's true onto my saying anything more than pee. 802 01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:04,710 Would you say not? I'm not not I'm saying not not pee on sight. 803 01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:10,070 Because if if pee is true, then then not pee is false. 804 01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:17,170 So if if, if I'm saying pee I'm saying not not pee, not pee. 805 01:29:17,170 --> 01:29:21,950 You two can do this eventually. Is truth demonstrable? 806 01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:34,160 Not always. No, no. Definitely not moral regard such as factual. 807 01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:40,970 Well, I think there are facts about values. So. So I don't think there's any opposition between fact and value. 808 01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:48,300 So I think there are moral truths and that what make a moral truth is that there are moral facts. 809 01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:56,210 You know, you can sing, you preach proof again. The proof is to do with knowledge anyway. 810 01:29:56,210 --> 01:30:01,520 One one people some people think there's no more to truth than coherence. 811 01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:06,890 What makes one believe true is that it coheres with your other beliefs. 812 01:30:06,890 --> 01:30:11,840 Other people think, well, hang on, I can have a set of beliefs here, all of which are coherence. 813 01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:16,040 And then if I negate the more that will be another set. 814 01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:21,570 All of which are coherence, won't it? But which is true. 815 01:30:21,570 --> 01:30:28,080 So coherence can't be the right theory. Well, no, because truth. 816 01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:36,240 Truth seems to be a property of sentences and beliefs, doesn't it? 817 01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:42,600 Well, reality isn't a property of your beliefs, is it, or of your sentences. 818 01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,960 Exactly. But truth seems to be a prop. 819 01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:53,420 If there weren't any beliefs in this world, there wouldn't be any sentences with the sentences, express beliefs. 820 01:30:53,420 --> 01:30:58,890 OK, if I believe that that your what's your name? Deirdre is wearing red. 821 01:30:58,890 --> 01:31:04,560 I just expressed that belief in saying Dajarra is wearing red. If there were no beliefs, there'd be no sentences. 822 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:14,880 If there were neither beliefs nor sentences, there would be no truth, but they'd still be reality. 823 01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:29,800 Semantics means truth or means truth conditions. Yeah. 824 01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:35,350 That's because you're thinking of what makes things true. 825 01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:39,460 But, of course, truth is still the property of the sentence that you've uttered. 826 01:31:39,460 --> 01:31:46,270 I mean, what's true is the sentence. The reality is what makes it true. 827 01:31:46,270 --> 01:31:52,390 This is this is really difficult stuff here. Just talk about semantics and syntax at the moment. 828 01:31:52,390 --> 01:32:00,100 If we look at one of the truth trees, again, I have stripped the semantics out of the arguments there. 829 01:32:00,100 --> 01:32:07,210 I've left the syntax. All I've left is the shape. If I want to put the meaning back in. 830 01:32:07,210 --> 01:32:10,480 I've got to put semantics back in and inputting semantics back in. 831 01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:19,390 What I'm putting in is conditions of truth and falsehood. That's what semantics is, and that's that's what meaning is. 832 01:32:19,390 --> 01:32:33,250 Anyway, we've done it now. That's logic. That's your lot on logic. Oh, okay. 833 01:32:33,250 --> 01:32:38,430 Correspondence. Correspondence. So you've actually we've already looked at that. 834 01:32:38,430 --> 01:32:43,270 Truth is, correspondence between a sentence and a fact. 835 01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:48,610 But what's wrong with that is, is what is a fact of often something that makes a true sentence true. 836 01:32:48,610 --> 01:32:54,730 And therefore, that's just a secular definition. It gets you absolutely nowhere. 837 01:32:54,730 --> 01:33:01,390 Oh, goodness. It's lots of people. Yeah, A.J., I would certainly be one of them, I think. 838 01:33:01,390 --> 01:33:07,750 So what is truth answer? I don't know. I know more than you do, obviously. 839 01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:11,350 But I don't know because this is still an ongoing question. 840 01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:16,240 What is truth? That's what philosophical logic looks at. We also I mean, validity. 841 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:21,550 I gave you one of the paradoxes of entailment two minutes ago, and you weren't very happy with it. 842 01:33:21,550 --> 01:33:33,960 Here's another two. Well, it would be if I can find them. 843 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:42,610 We're running over our time. If anyone wants to go, they're most welcome. Um. 844 01:33:42,610 --> 01:33:47,080 No, I'm not going to be able to find it if I say the grass is green. 845 01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:54,910 Therefore, two plus two equals four. That's a valid argument because there's no possible situation which that conclusion is false. 846 01:33:54,910 --> 01:33:59,290 So how could there be a possible situation in which the premise is true? And the conclusion false? 847 01:33:59,290 --> 01:34:03,580 There couldn't be. That's one of the paradoxes of entailment. 848 01:34:03,580 --> 01:34:11,680 And one of the things that philosophical traditions would like to know is why is our definition of entailment faulty in that way? 849 01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:18,520 Because that surely that argument isn't valid. And yet our definition of valid makes it valid. 850 01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:25,980 So there's something wrong with our definition of validity. And yet somehow we can run computers that run Large Hadron Collider. 851 01:34:25,980 --> 01:34:31,750 And find the Higgs suppose on on our logic. So our logic isn't totally wrong. 852 01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:34,960 How do we do with it? Okay, we're going to stop right there. 853 01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:45,057 You know nothing about identity, but that's what I am sure we can talk about that some other time.