1 00:00:00,770 --> 00:00:07,040 [Music] 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,400 oxford university museum of natural 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,480 history is home to an internationally 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,240 significant natural history collection 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,760 including the first dinosaur fossils to 6 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:19,600 be scientifically described 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,000 and the only surviving soft tissue from 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,279 a dodo anywhere in the world 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,800 but it is also one of the most 10 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:25,599 remarkable buildings of the gothic 11 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,519 revival 12 00:00:25,599 --> 00:00:28,960 a treasure house of victorian sculpture 13 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:31,519 and design 14 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,200 my name is john holmes i'm professor of 15 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:35,040 victorian literature and culture at the 16 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,200 university of birmingham and an honorary 17 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,040 associate of the museum 18 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,239 over this series of podcasts i want to 19 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,079 introduce you to the art and 20 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:43,360 architecture of oxford university museum 21 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:45,120 of natural history 22 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,000 and to give you a virtual tour of this 23 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,680 extraordinary and beautiful building 24 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,120 so far in this series we've looked at 25 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,640 how the art and architecture of the 26 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,039 museum was designed to teach its 27 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,960 visitors and students about science 28 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:58,079 the museum's gothic style and the angel 29 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,559 above its main entrance 30 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:03,520 told them that in victorian oxford 31 00:01:00,559 --> 00:01:05,040 science was the study of god's creation 32 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,560 in this last episode i want to look at 33 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,920 how the museum responded when this 34 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,159 conception of science 35 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,200 known as natural theology came into 36 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:14,240 conflict with the new 37 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,080 evolutionary and revolutionary ideas of 38 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,400 charles darwin 39 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,759 when oxford university agreed to build a 40 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,040 museum of natural history in the 41 00:01:19,759 --> 00:01:22,799 mid-1850s 42 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,640 the scientists who had campaigned for it 43 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:25,119 reassured the other dons that this would 44 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,000 be 45 00:01:25,119 --> 00:01:29,840 an overtly christian enterprise not 46 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,680 everyone was convinced 47 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,759 in high anglican oxford suspicion of 48 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,920 science remained high 49 00:01:33,759 --> 00:01:37,840 in may 1855 a month before the 50 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,920 foundation stone was due to be laid 51 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,840 a last ditch attempt was made to stop 52 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,280 the building of what one popular 53 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,640 pamphlet called 54 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,720 the babylon of a new museum in an 55 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,520 allusion to the personification of sin 56 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,439 in the book of revelation the dons who 57 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,119 warned against the dangerous materialism 58 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:56,079 of science may well have felt vindicated 59 00:01:55,119 --> 00:01:58,000 five years later 60 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:59,840 when the museum celebrated its opening 61 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,680 by hosting the british association for 62 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,520 the advancement of science 63 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,119 the british association meetings were 64 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,040 large public gatherings 65 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:08,479 drawing in crowds of amateur as well as 66 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,160 professional scientists 67 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,599 and anyone else interested in new 68 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,520 knowledge and the development of 69 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:16,160 scientific ideas 70 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,680 on the 30th of june 1860 several hundred 71 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,599 people gathered for a debate 72 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,920 on the validity and implications of the 73 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:23,360 theory of evolution by natural selection 74 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:25,280 which had been proposed by charles 75 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,599 darwin at the end of the previous year 76 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,640 in his book on the origin of species the 77 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:30,239 meeting was held 78 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:32,400 in the large reading room on the first 79 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:34,239 floor of the museum the room has since 80 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,400 been partitioned by a mezzanine 81 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:37,519 but the original painted ceiling remains 82 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,200 giving a sense 83 00:02:37,519 --> 00:02:40,800 of how grand and imposing the 84 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,480 architecture must have been 85 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,440 the great debate as it has come to be 86 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,920 known has been much mythologized 87 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,360 darwin himself was not present according 88 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,519 to popular legend the leading 89 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,720 antagonists were samuel wilberforce the 90 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:54,480 bishop of oxford 91 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,680 known as soapy sam for his habit of 92 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,440 bringing his hands together while he 93 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,440 spoke as if he was washing them 94 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,480 and the rising naturalist thomas henry 95 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,200 huxley 96 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,360 wilberforce notoriously asked huxley if 97 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,560 he had any particular predilection for a 98 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,239 monkey ancestry 99 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,000 and if so on which side whether he would 100 00:03:08,239 --> 00:03:11,519 prefer an ape for his grandfather and a 101 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,599 woman for his grandmother 102 00:03:11,519 --> 00:03:15,200 or a man for his grandfather and an ape 103 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:17,120 for his grandmother 104 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,239 huxley's reply to the bishop's smutty 105 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,000 joke was that 106 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:21,840 if the alternative were given to him 107 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,519 being descended from a man conspicuous 108 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,599 for his talents and eloquence 109 00:03:23,519 --> 00:03:27,440 but who misused his gifts to ridicule 110 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:29,120 the laborious investigators of science 111 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,680 and obscure the light of scientific 112 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,159 truth 113 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,840 or from the humble origin alluded to he 114 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:36,319 would far rather choose the latter 115 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,080 than the former a report of the debate 116 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:39,519 in the little-known local paper called 117 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,879 the oxford chronicle 118 00:03:39,519 --> 00:03:42,879 and berkshire and buckinghamshire 119 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:45,200 gazette discovered by the historian of 120 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:47,040 science richard england in 2017 121 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,280 shows that this exchange certainly took 122 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,400 place much to the enjoyment of a rather 123 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,760 raucous crowd 124 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,000 though there were many other speakers 125 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,760 for and against darwin and the debate 126 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,439 was far from a simple clash between 127 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,439 science and religion 128 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,799 wilberforce was a bishop not a scientist 129 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:01,599 but he spoke for many scientists 130 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:03,120 nonetheless 131 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:05,040 including several of those involved in 132 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,560 building the museum when he questioned 133 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,400 darwin's ideas 134 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,920 and huxley was not attacking religion 135 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,599 per se but the subordination of 136 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,480 scientific inquiry to christian 137 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:14,720 revelation 138 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,880 that was implicit in natural theology 139 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,160 what was at stake here then was not just 140 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,320 human evolution 141 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,199 but the whole question of what science 142 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,600 was 143 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:25,280 the study of god's creation or a method 144 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,280 for investigating the properties of a 145 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:29,199 material world 146 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,040 the great debate initiated a conflict to 147 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:32,880 the museum between natural theology 148 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,639 and methodological materialism or 149 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,440 scientific naturalism as it came to be 150 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:37,440 known 151 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,759 this conflict played out in the museum 152 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,400 science but also in its art 153 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:44,240 and in a growing tension between the two 154 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,000 the angel above the door to the museum 155 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,000 is a clear sign of the museum's initial 156 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,520 commitment to natural theology 157 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 while the only hints at darwinian 158 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,919 evolution in the early carvings of the 159 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,040 museum 160 00:04:51,919 --> 00:04:56,960 are equivocal at best one of the windows 161 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,080 carved by james o'shea in the spring of 162 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,919 1860 163 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,000 around six months after diamond's book 164 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:03,440 was published features some curious 165 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,800 grotesques 166 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,960 unlike most of the carvings at the 167 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,919 museum these are not actual animals but 168 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,080 hybrids 169 00:05:07,919 --> 00:05:12,000 the four quarters like those of a large 170 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,479 carnivore the hindquarters 171 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,240 and eel-like tail the most likely 172 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:18,080 explanation is that they're an allusion 173 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,720 to a notorious passage in the origin of 174 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,560 species 175 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,479 where darwin imagines that over time 176 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,560 natural selection might turn a species 177 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:25,039 of bear that swims around with its mouth 178 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,680 open 179 00:05:25,039 --> 00:05:29,919 catching insects into a creature as 180 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,520 monstrous as a whale 181 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:33,520 the suggestion to include them was 182 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,960 probably made to ashay by either henry 183 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,639 ackland or charles dorbany 184 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,400 both of them were oxford scientists who 185 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:40,000 worked on the construction of the museum 186 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,240 and they were both skeptical towards 187 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,160 darwin at least initially 188 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,680 ackland and dorbany shared o'shea's 189 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,440 mischievous sense of humor 190 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,520 and the oxford bear whales seemed more 191 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,560 like a parody of darwin than a homage to 192 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,639 him 193 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,639 there's another joke perhaps at darwin's 194 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:55,680 expense perhaps at huxley's perhaps even 195 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:58,400 at wilberforces 196 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,360 in the central court in the next bay 197 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,520 round 198 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,319 from a carving of a monkey puzzle are 199 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,759 two decidedly puzzled looking monkeys 200 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:07,520 they look like they've been repurposed 201 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:09,840 from a sketch that james has shaded for 202 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,520 some carvings of monkeys around a window 203 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,280 which may have been the original design 204 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,039 for what became the cat window 205 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:16,800 the architectural historian frederick 206 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:18,400 o'dwyer suggests that o'shea was 207 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,319 probably back carving in the central 208 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,240 court by mid-august 1860 209 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:24,160 so he may well have added these monkeys 210 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,919 as a direct reference to the debate 211 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,759 which had taken place in the museum only 212 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:29,520 a few weeks before 213 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,520 if the museum's initial response to 214 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,319 darwin was parody 215 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,560 it did change its tune the older natural 216 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:38,240 theologians retired or died 217 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,479 while ackland and his younger colleagues 218 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,080 such as the anatomist george rollerston 219 00:06:40,479 --> 00:06:43,600 soon came to see that the best way to 220 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,319 sustain both their faith and their 221 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,800 science 222 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:48,000 was to distinguish them from one another 223 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,039 rather than to look to nature 224 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,280 to corroborate religion by the 1880s the 225 00:06:51,039 --> 00:06:54,720 museum had abandoned natural theology 226 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:56,240 and become instead one of the leading 227 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,520 centres for researching and teaching 228 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,360 evolution on the principles of 229 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,319 scientific naturalism 230 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,080 there was however one recently appointed 231 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,680 professor at the museum who held out 232 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,160 against darwin 233 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,680 in 1869 john ruskin who had been 234 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,360 actively involved in the design of the 235 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,599 museum in the 1850s 236 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,560 was appointed the first slade professor 237 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:18,319 of fine art at oxford university 238 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,919 throughout the 1870s and for another 239 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:22,240 brief term in the 1880s 240 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:24,319 ruskin taught art at oxford principally 241 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,400 lecturing in the museum itself 242 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:27,919 ruskin was appalled by the materialism 243 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,000 of darwin's theories 244 00:07:27,919 --> 00:07:31,520 for him they reduced human morality and 245 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,599 the god-given beauty of the world 246 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,560 to mechanical processes of survival and 247 00:07:33,599 --> 00:07:36,560 sex 248 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,880 ruskin wanted the museum to celebrate 249 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,840 life but its displays of skeletons and 250 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,280 human skulls 251 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,919 including specimens of genetic 252 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,160 deformities seem to him to call to mind 253 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:48,000 death and disease instead 254 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,520 he increasingly hated the methods of 255 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,360 science too 256 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,440 having championed art and science 257 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 together in the 1850s he now declared 258 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,960 that portraits of great men and even 259 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,720 pictures of ducks and drakes 260 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,800 could teach more than the scientific 261 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,479 collections in the museum 262 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,039 ruskin resigned his professorship in 263 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:07,280 1884 in protest against the use of 264 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:08,879 vivisection in scientific research 265 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,280 at the museum which he had helped to 266 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:13,520 found fifteen years later 267 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,960 a statue of charles darwin carved by 268 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,560 henry hope pinker 269 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,120 was unveiled at the museum in the 270 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,639 central court only a few feet away 271 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,319 from o'shea's teasing monkeys almost 40 272 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:26,160 years after the great debate 273 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:28,080 oxford university museum of natural 274 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,280 history had at last made its peace with 275 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,360 darwin 276 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,159 it honoured him publicly in the way that 277 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:40,960 its founders had always honored science 278 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:48,240 through art 279 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:50,320 [Music] 280 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,320 you