1 00:00:00,150 --> 00:00:04,650 And thank you all for coming. I know the weather's pretty miserable, which was a lovely welcome back to Oxford today. 2 00:00:05,010 --> 00:00:11,220 So I appreciate you making the effort to come out. I suppose when you're giving a lecture which could be retitled How to Get Money, 3 00:00:11,490 --> 00:00:14,430 it's not actually that surprising that people have made the effort to come out. 4 00:00:16,170 --> 00:00:21,720 And so you all here for that reason, you are interested in learning about building a business. 5 00:00:22,140 --> 00:00:28,110 Maybe you have a start up, maybe you want to have a start up, maybe you had one and you're thinking about having another one. 6 00:00:28,410 --> 00:00:34,080 Either way, I'm sure you'll be aware just how fragile and delicate start-ups are. 7 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:39,270 Having a great idea or a vision for what you want to do is only a fraction of the challenge. 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:48,480 The execution of that idea is really what it's all about, and not the least difficult thing within execution is how do you finance your start-up? 9 00:00:48,690 --> 00:00:52,650 How do you raise the capital to keep it going? How did you raise it at the right time? 10 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,160 How did you raise it from the right people? So that's what we're going to talk about today. 11 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Having said that, in a lecture which is going to be about raising capital, 12 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,810 obviously we should start by talking about why you should not raise capital. 13 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:09,450 And there are a number of reasons why you might not want to. 14 00:01:09,870 --> 00:01:14,549 Often people think that the big check would be a great thing for their start-up, but that's not always the case. 15 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:19,560 And there are a few situations that I'll talk about right now, which is why you might not want to. 16 00:01:20,790 --> 00:01:24,630 Firstly, if you are running your own business, you're in charge. 17 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:28,320 That means you set the vision for what you want your business to be. 18 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:34,139 If you take investors, they have needs to grow a company very quickly and very aggressively that might 19 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:38,430 not suit the product you want to make or the kind of company that you want to run. 20 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:45,720 If you're in charge, you decide you want 100% of the shares, you want 100% of the upside, and you can run the business how you want. 21 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 If you do have ambitions to have a global business, 22 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:58,460 then starting starting a business on your own without capital can be great because it stops you getting lazy and it makes you start it quickly. 23 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:05,900 If you are financing yourself, you need to make sure that you're out there with product that people are prepared to pay money for from very early on. 24 00:02:06,410 --> 00:02:13,400 And this is a great way to get a business started, especially in industries where first mover advantage is going to be important. 25 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:20,720 It can be really key to get out there. I'm sure you've all read or heard about Lean Start-Up and that way of doing things. 26 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:28,790 Bootstrapping is a great way to force yourself into that. It really does stop you being lazy, but maybe that's not what you want. 27 00:02:29,210 --> 00:02:35,030 Maybe you want to be your own boss because you want to be lazy and you're good enough to be able to work just a little bit. 28 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:41,930 And having a business that you control and that you run where you're the boss and you're your own boss means you can do what you want. 29 00:02:42,170 --> 00:02:49,430 And that's very important. But really, we are here to talk about why you would raise capital and how you should raise capital. 30 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:56,690 So what are the reasons if you're founding a business and running a business that you might want to think about raising capital to start with? 31 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:03,020 If you are extremely ambitious and you want to have a business that is global in scope and really a world leader, 32 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:09,820 having partners to help you do that can be key. The investors have big visions. 33 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:13,819 They invest in companies expecting to make significant returns on their money. 34 00:03:13,820 --> 00:03:18,410 And to do that, typically the companies have to go very global and get very big. 35 00:03:18,620 --> 00:03:21,620 So having a partner who's pushing you to do that can be a real. 36 00:03:22,790 --> 00:03:29,629 So the aid and sort of agent in forcing you to be a global company, they can also provide you with global support. 37 00:03:29,630 --> 00:03:35,510 If you're starting a business in Oxford or London or Manchester, thinking about expanding into New York can be a bit daunting. 38 00:03:35,570 --> 00:03:39,770 If you have a partner who knows how to do that and can help you, that's really, really helpful. 39 00:03:40,890 --> 00:03:44,760 Secondly, if you have those kind of ambitions, it's really expensive. 40 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,520 And so financing it yourself can be really hard. 41 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:56,700 You can constrain your growth rates by not having enough money if you're growing off the money that you're making. 42 00:03:56,850 --> 00:04:03,240 It can be a linear growth rate. And this is a phrase you might hear me say twice or more today, 43 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:08,880 but I was always told when I was younger, dressed for the job you want and not the job that you have. 44 00:04:09,210 --> 00:04:12,300 And quite often, this is what Start-Up Businesses need to do. 45 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:19,170 If you want to expand into a new geography or grow your sales channels, quite often you have to hire people in advance of doing that. 46 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:22,620 And trying to fund that from your own capital is very, very difficult. 47 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,060 So that's a reason to take on an investor who can give you the money to do that. 48 00:04:28,410 --> 00:04:36,000 Finally, for those of you who have run businesses or currently are running businesses, you'll know just how difficult it is. 49 00:04:36,570 --> 00:04:42,180 It is extremely tough and there are days where you will feel miserable and there are days where you'll feel great. 50 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:48,300 Having someone to share that with who understands and especially someone who's been there before is a real advantage. 51 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:55,970 So if you decide that capital is for you and your business and you want to go out and and raise some. 52 00:04:56,060 --> 00:05:01,550 When when's the right time to do that? When in the lifecycle of your business, should you go and seek it? 53 00:05:02,890 --> 00:05:06,950 The truth is there are many stages in a company life cycle and frankly, 54 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:12,530 you couldn't get capital at any one of them and you may need it at all of them, depending on the nature of your business. 55 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:18,050 So thanks to Mark Leslie, who is a professor of mine at Stanford, for this for this framework. 56 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:23,319 But. You'll see here that the five categories of business, 57 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:29,979 the seed the seed stage is when you've got an idea and you're formulating it into a business plan and building the models, 58 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:35,440 putting together that sort of presentation and really just sort of conceptualising what your business is going to be about. 59 00:05:37,130 --> 00:05:40,310 You might not need money to do that. Maybe you do need a bit to live off. 60 00:05:40,580 --> 00:05:46,490 Maybe you need to do some market research, but potentially you might need to take some small financing to get that done. 61 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:51,550 Development when you're creating the product sort of depends on the product or how much capital you might need. 62 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,970 But again, that's something that might require capital and resources that you just don't have. 63 00:05:57,550 --> 00:06:03,940 When you go to market, this is what Mark Leslie calls the chasm, because you've been building these products and you've got to go out and sell it. 64 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:11,110 And it can be a really difficult bridge again, that can require resources for PR, marketing, sales, people spending on your product. 65 00:06:11,110 --> 00:06:12,610 It can be a very expensive thing to do. 66 00:06:13,180 --> 00:06:21,520 Market expansion, as the name suggests, that's taking your products from somewhere where it's been successful to new verticals or new geographies. 67 00:06:21,850 --> 00:06:28,660 And that again requires extra resources that you might not have the capacity in-house to take a harvest. 68 00:06:28,990 --> 00:06:36,100 You might not need cash because you are an established company with a product that people are buying and you're generating plenty of money. 69 00:06:36,370 --> 00:06:39,490 The reason you might need it at harvest is for M&A purposes. 70 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:44,950 And if you look at Silicon Valley and some of the tech companies, how acquisitive they are, you'll see what I mean. 71 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:54,400 So as I said, financing happens at all stages and often in one company. 72 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,570 It could happen at all the stages. 73 00:06:55,570 --> 00:07:02,560 But in every stage there are three questions which I think you should ask before you decide to go out and raise capital. 74 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,990 The first is, have we reached a growth ceiling? Now, I don't mean by that. 75 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:15,670 Have we reached a point where we're not growing anymore? But have you reached a point where unless you inject capital, your growth rate will slow? 76 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:25,960 This is very important because you want to take your company as far as you can before taking on capital because point to sorry, getting a bit excited. 77 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Have we created all the value that we can? This is key. 78 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:37,030 You don't want to start raising equity and giving away stakes in your company at a valuation that's lower than what you could achieve. 79 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,590 You want to make sure that you've given everything you've got to the point where 80 00:07:41,590 --> 00:07:44,590 you start getting diminishing returns before you go out and raise capital. 81 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:50,510 And then finally, do you know how much capital you need and what you need it for? 82 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:54,559 And this is the dreaded business plan and the Excel models and everything. 83 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:01,430 But unless you know and can conceptualise what you're going to do with the money, it's going to be very, very hard to ask anyone to give it to you. 84 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,629 And it's really important to have spent time soul searching in deciding on the 85 00:08:05,630 --> 00:08:10,220 strategy of the business and where the capital will go to aid that strategy. 86 00:08:12,290 --> 00:08:18,240 So you've decided you need capital. And you're ready to go and get it. 87 00:08:18,630 --> 00:08:25,210 But where can you get it from? There are traditional sources of capital. 88 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:26,980 As you saw, I'm a venture capitalist. 89 00:08:26,990 --> 00:08:32,860 We are one of these, and I'll just run you through some of the others just to sort of make sure that we cover everything. 90 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:35,000 Friends and family. 91 00:08:35,420 --> 00:08:42,950 This is, as I said, often at the seed stage, you need a little bit of money just to make sure you're eating and not living off ramen noodles, 92 00:08:42,950 --> 00:08:47,540 maybe, or to get some market research done early sort of idea testing. 93 00:08:47,750 --> 00:08:52,550 And quite a lot of people turn to their friends and family, and this is a sort of pretty common thing. 94 00:08:53,000 --> 00:09:00,440 The one thing I would say here is really beware. This has many pitfalls and it can go tremendously wrong. 95 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:08,900 So as a rule of thumb, I say don't take money from friends and family if they can't afford to lose it or you can't afford to lose them. 96 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:14,460 It's really key that you understand that because it can go wrong and you don't need the pressure. 97 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:19,620 On top of running a business of losing friends or family members. 98 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:25,930 Universities. Oxford is actually very, very good at supporting Start-ups, particularly in biotech. 99 00:09:25,950 --> 00:09:30,870 So I understand, although I'm no expert in biotech, but there are plenty of programs going on. 100 00:09:31,140 --> 00:09:35,370 I was just hearing about the the new workspace they're creating here at the side business school. 101 00:09:35,550 --> 00:09:39,300 But there are also things around R&D and grants you can get and funding. 102 00:09:39,690 --> 00:09:48,390 Stanford's where I was is just created a fund to actually seed entrepreneurs with money start-ups that they like as part of an incubator program. 103 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,510 So you should definitely look at the institution that you're a part of to see if they can offer you help. 104 00:09:55,590 --> 00:10:02,910 Angel Investors. These are generally wealthy individuals, often with expertise in the area that they want to invest, 105 00:10:03,780 --> 00:10:07,120 and they get tremendous tax benefits from angel investing. 106 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,450 If you structure it in the right way for them. 107 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:16,320 I won't go into the specifics of that, but essentially it's got to be an equity product and that materially reduces the risk. 108 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:20,400 So they're often very willing to help with with money. 109 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:26,190 And as I said, if they're people who have made their money in the field that you're in, they can also help with a lot more than just money. 110 00:10:27,950 --> 00:10:35,000 Incubators are proliferating wildly. I'm sure you've seen many of them and there are some fantastic ones out there. 111 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:41,750 What's great about incubators is they put you in a community. They give you resources that you might not have as a small company on your own. 112 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:48,660 You know, simple things like access to Wi-Fi and printers is really important, but also access to other people who you can ask questions from. 113 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:50,600 They might have been through some of the issues you're going through. 114 00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:56,270 And then also, incubators give you access to a broader network than you might be able to achieve on your own. 115 00:10:56,540 --> 00:11:04,040 Typically, they take companies which have an idea and have a sort of vision and a business plan, but there are incubators out there. 116 00:11:04,070 --> 00:11:11,810 Entrepreneur first is one actually who I have mentored with who take individuals and then create the teams as part of the program so that, 117 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,430 as I said, they come in all shapes and all sizes, but they can be a great way to get resources beyond your means. 118 00:11:17,450 --> 00:11:20,000 Venture capital. This is what I do. 119 00:11:20,510 --> 00:11:26,930 Venture capital comes in all shapes and all sizes and broadly covers the whole spectrum of the life cycle of a company. 120 00:11:27,260 --> 00:11:34,850 Up until the very mature stages, venture capitalists are looking to invest money in Start-ups and see significant returns from those start-ups. 121 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:40,070 They know that they won't get returns from all of them. So it's important that when they do, they're very big. 122 00:11:40,340 --> 00:11:44,270 So they look for start-ups with global visions playing in big markets with 123 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:48,380 entrepreneurs who have the talent to execute and create a really meaningful business. 124 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:56,629 Banks. You would have read in the British newspapers, I'm sure, about banks and small business lending, 125 00:11:56,630 --> 00:12:04,400 and there's not enough of it going on and there's lots of government initiatives to encourage them to try and sort 126 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:10,670 of lend more to entrepreneurial businesses and especially sort of the backbone small medium enterprises in Britain. 127 00:12:11,060 --> 00:12:16,970 The truth is they do offer a means of financing and they'll lend you money often at quite good rates. 128 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:22,940 The difficulty is for for start up businesses, it can be hard with no track record if you're not cash generative, 129 00:12:22,940 --> 00:12:26,690 which you may not be as a tech business especially. It can be hard as well. 130 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:32,690 So banks are an option, but only for certain types of businesses. Now we're getting into the late stage stuff. 131 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,950 Growth capital, you've made it when you're talking to growth capital investors, 132 00:12:37,220 --> 00:12:44,690 these late stage venture capitalists or often private equity investing fairly sizeable checks 133 00:12:44,690 --> 00:12:49,730 which are not leveraged to help companies expand into new geographies or new verticals 134 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:54,049 on a proven model that already shows that it generates money and they're just trying to 135 00:12:54,050 --> 00:12:58,940 help roll it out when you've really made it is when the buyout funds are coming after you. 136 00:12:59,180 --> 00:13:03,049 So they're looking for cash flow and they are going to leverage against that cash 137 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:07,310 flow and use it to pay the debt that they have taken on against your company. 138 00:13:08,890 --> 00:13:14,440 And public markets. So if any of you IPO your business and you think back in many years and say, 139 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:20,620 oh, that Henry Davis lecture was crucial, please ring me up, buy me a beer. 140 00:13:22,330 --> 00:13:26,590 So where do these guys play? This is not 100% right, 141 00:13:26,590 --> 00:13:32,080 because things move around and you'll see angels popping up all over the place and you'll see private equity people moving lower. 142 00:13:32,260 --> 00:13:36,820 But broadly speaking, this is how I see the map. 143 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:42,430 You'll have your traditional very sort of early stage people, which are your angels, your friends and family. 144 00:13:42,940 --> 00:13:47,290 The incubators come in generally just after that, once you've got an idea of what you want to do. 145 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:51,219 Venture capital. That, too. So you can pitch some venture capital firms, 146 00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:59,740 the seed firms with a business plan as long as it's credible and venture capital funds go all the way through to to growth capital, as I said. 147 00:14:00,010 --> 00:14:03,190 And then towards the end, once you've got a track record, you can get the banks. 148 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:08,260 And once you're growing very quickly, the growth capital. And then the exit scenario is the private equity and the IPO. 149 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:13,379 So I'm sure you're all thinking up. But what about the non-traditional sources? 150 00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:17,700 And this has been a great change in the landscape, especially for entrepreneurs, 151 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:22,360 because now there are so many more ways for you to finance your business than there ever was before. 152 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:25,710 Many of the new ways are actually entrepreneurial successes themselves. 153 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:30,810 This one's probably top of mind. Crowdfunding and Kickstarter. 154 00:14:31,830 --> 00:14:33,330 There's some great success stories. 155 00:14:33,330 --> 00:14:39,780 Blaze being one, the guys that make the The Cycle Lights and they launch the product on Kickstarter and it was very, very successful. 156 00:14:40,770 --> 00:14:47,070 And Kickstarter can be fantastic way to finance your business. You choose how you raise the money. 157 00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:51,450 Often that's presale of goods, which means you're not even selling any equity or anything like that. 158 00:14:51,810 --> 00:14:54,990 You're selling goods before you've even made them, which is fantastic. 159 00:14:55,890 --> 00:14:59,790 The downside is it's all or nothing, so you can't raise a bit of what you say. 160 00:14:59,790 --> 00:15:05,140 You've got to get it all or you don't get any of it. And the truth is, it is specific to certain industries. 161 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,080 I personally haven't seen any enterprise software businesses, for example, on Kickstarter. 162 00:15:10,110 --> 00:15:11,430 Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. 163 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:19,130 Peer to peer lending funding cycle, actually an index backed company and some really talented entrepreneurs themselves. 164 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:27,170 This is a way to get debt financing. Often in places where banks wouldn't lend and essentially, as the name suggests, 165 00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:31,010 it comes from people who have invested in the platform to fund businesses. 166 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:35,030 It can be relatively accessible and cheap, but it's debt. 167 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:41,030 So you need to be able to pay it back, often with interest, which means you need a business that's producing the cash to do that. 168 00:15:41,330 --> 00:15:45,590 So it's only suitable again for certain kinds of businesses. Microloans. 169 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:55,400 The SBA is a government organisation in America with a social purpose, often geographic or trying to back certain groups within society. 170 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,090 And they have mandates to lend money and help businesses get off the ground. 171 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:06,440 There's talk in the UK of that being what's imaginatively called the business bank, which Vince Cable is kickstarting, 172 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:12,230 and that's going to do a similar kind of thing and try and get entrepreneurs money and get small businesses money. 173 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,550 It can be great if you fall into some of the criteria that they're looking for. 174 00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:22,610 It can be extremely bureaucratic and frankly, they don't massively understand innovative new businesses. 175 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:30,040 So there are companies that do understand this, the new small, medium enterprise lenders on deck. 176 00:16:30,060 --> 00:16:37,410 Another Start-Up has raised a lot of venture capital itself, and they specialise in lending money to small businesses. 177 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:43,440 They do it all online. It's all very efficient. It's all very quick. They have algorithms which help them assess the risk, 178 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:48,810 which means that they can generally lend to people banks wouldn't, and it rates potentially lower. 179 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:54,120 It can be expensive. That's that's the thing. You need to make sure that, again, it's that you've got to pay it back. 180 00:16:54,150 --> 00:17:00,330 You need to make sure that you can and you can cover the interest. Factoring another Start-Up. 181 00:17:00,330 --> 00:17:04,620 In fact, Kabbage, which does this factoring, is basically borrowing against your receivables. 182 00:17:05,070 --> 00:17:10,170 So it really is only for e-commerce and businesses that sell online. 183 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:17,700 Specifically, if you sell through eBay or Amazon or platforms like that where it's very easy to see how your business is working. 184 00:17:17,850 --> 00:17:21,150 And this helps you find the working capital that you need to sell products. 185 00:17:22,090 --> 00:17:27,909 Finally there's you. Lots of entrepreneurs have funded their businesses themselves. 186 00:17:27,910 --> 00:17:34,000 I'm sure you've all heard the stories. Oh, I mortgaged my house, or I took out seven credit cards to start this business. 187 00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:41,410 Certainly the Dragons Den seemed very keen. You know, you're not a committed entrepreneur unless you've gone to these kinds of sacrifices. 188 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:49,840 My personal view is that financing a business yourself is a really difficult thing to do because it puts additional risk on you. 189 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:56,440 The entrepreneur who's already taking a massive chance to start a business, potentially giving up income and all the rest of it from your job before. 190 00:17:57,730 --> 00:18:04,030 And it can make you take decisions to solve for your own personal risk, which might not be in the best interests of the business. 191 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:06,850 So think very carefully before you put yourself on the hook. 192 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:16,360 The truth is that most businesses will raise traditional capital, especially if you get to a meaningful size. 193 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:23,610 At the moment, the non-traditional backers haven't raised the capital needed to fund companies all the way through the life cycle. 194 00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:29,810 So if you are going to have a successful backed business, it's probably going to be from traditional sources at some point. 195 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:36,350 And that's really what I want to talk to you about now. How do you go about asking for that from traditional sources? 196 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,580 See the right people the right way. What does that mean? 197 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:46,770 So the first thing I'd say is select the right investors. 198 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:54,990 I said before, venture capitalists come in all shapes and all sizes and all countries and so on, so forth, and they all have mandates. 199 00:18:54,990 --> 00:19:01,649 And generally they're pretty open about what they will and won't do. If you spend time on their websites, angel investors, too, have public profiles. 200 00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:03,540 They talk, they put themselves out there. 201 00:19:04,050 --> 00:19:09,030 It should be quite easy to find out who the right investor would be for your stage, your sector, and your geography. 202 00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:14,460 If you do a bit of homework, you can save yourself a lot of wasted time chasing the wrong people. 203 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:23,020 Seek a warm introduction. So a couple of you already come and said hello to me today and I'll be around, as was mentioned earlier, for drinks. 204 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:25,420 Please do later. But that's a really good idea. 205 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:33,280 In in raising capital is make sure that you get yourself out there and get known because all investors, angel investors, 206 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:40,030 venture capitalists, everyone else get literally tens of emails a day from start-ups looking for money and to stand out from that, 207 00:19:40,030 --> 00:19:43,170 however good your idea is, is really, really hard, you know, 208 00:19:43,180 --> 00:19:46,930 from a cold email where you're just trying to pitch your business and it's really, really difficult. 209 00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:52,510 So if you can get out there, get known, at least get your word about your company out. 210 00:19:52,750 --> 00:19:58,450 That's a really, really good thing to do. Be sort of as dogmatic as you can be without being over the top. 211 00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:08,610 You don't want to scare anyone. But what I will say is that the best introduction you can have is a warm introduction. 212 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:16,860 So rather than coming up and shaking someone's hand, if someone the investor trusts introduces you, that is going to get you a lot more airtime. 213 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:22,170 So if you know a way into an investor, I would definitely explore those avenues. 214 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,640 LinkedIn is obviously great for that and a warm introduction is by far the best way. 215 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,790 Now, however, you go about finding and approaching your investors, the one thing that I would say is. 216 00:20:33,740 --> 00:20:37,850 Be prepared for people to say, no, it is going to happen. 217 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:43,850 And even the best businesses in the world, the most successful start-ups in the world, had venture capitalists say no to them. 218 00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:47,150 Obviously, in those cases, the venture capitalists probably regret it now. 219 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:50,810 But you do need to be prepared to hear the word no. 220 00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:59,659 Probably quite a lot, unfortunately. And if you're prepared, hopefully you can be graceful about it, because if your company is successful, 221 00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:03,470 you will come across this small network of investors again for sure. 222 00:21:03,620 --> 00:21:09,469 And they may be able to help you in the future. So I would say be prepared and, you know, be graceful about it. 223 00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:12,520 When they do say no, they may well be wrong and hopefully they are. 224 00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:18,170 And that would be awesome that you can prove them wrong in future. But it is something that will happen and you do need to be aware of that. 225 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:22,990 So if you do get the meeting, you get the introduction. 226 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,650 You're in that. You've got the meeting with the investor. How do you convince them to fund you? 227 00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:36,330 So this is, I suppose, the art of the pitch caveat that there is no right way to pitch. 228 00:21:36,570 --> 00:21:41,370 And this is very much subjective thought. This is what I think a good pitch should have. 229 00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:45,299 And if you can answer the six questions that I'm about to show you, 230 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:50,040 I think that's got the makings of a great pitch and has covered everything that an investor should want to know. 231 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,180 So what are the six things? Number one, why are you doing this? 232 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:02,250 Why did you quit your job or do whatever it is to give up whatever you were doing before to do this? 233 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:12,600 What specific insight or disruption or special technology or gap in the market did you see that made you want to do this? 234 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:22,120 Oh, sorry. Number two, given that insight that made you want to do it, what are you doing to address it? 235 00:22:22,450 --> 00:22:28,479 So it's actually fairly common that you look you sort of meet entrepreneurs 236 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,240 or look on their websites and you're not quite sure what the business does. 237 00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:38,200 So it's really key to just make it very clear how you're addressing the the thing you identified in point one. 238 00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:46,090 Number three, who else is doing this? Now, obviously, by nature of being an entrepreneurial business, you're trying to do something new and different. 239 00:22:46,330 --> 00:22:50,380 You're trying to do it in a different way. But you need to be really honest. 240 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:57,550 The truth is that there are substitutes. Even doing nothing on the customer's part is a substitute of sorts. 241 00:22:57,820 --> 00:23:06,130 So you really need to be honest about what the options are that are out there and be honest with yourself and also the investor. 242 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,660 So you can then go on to point four and tell them why you're going to blow those guys out of the water. 243 00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:18,640 What is it about your product, your team, your strategy, which is going to enable you to beat everyone else and every other option? 244 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,910 Number five, money. Now the top 36 venture capital. 245 00:23:27,930 --> 00:23:32,430 Backed businesses was released this week. You might have seen it. I think it went out on a LinkedIn article. 246 00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:36,300 Actually, two of those do not make revenue. 247 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:41,470 Does anyone know what they are? I didn't hear. 248 00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:48,180 So it does make revenues and it's it's sorry, these are non-public companies. 249 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:56,170 I should been clear. GOODMAN And I'll say the other one is Pinterest, but only two out of 36. 250 00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:59,520 So it's not 1998 anymore. Revenues are important. 251 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,120 People are thinking about this. They want viable business models and they want proof that they work. 252 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,990 So even if it's many years out that you're going to make revenues, 253 00:24:06,990 --> 00:24:11,400 it's important that you've thought about it and you have an idea how your business turns into one that generates money. 254 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,230 Number six is a slight variation of that you can show. 255 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:20,320 Amazing. Understanding of your business and your model. 256 00:24:20,650 --> 00:24:25,990 If you can show the KPIs that are going to be important as you grow and how they flex and scale with the business, 257 00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:31,090 if you show a deep understanding of the metrics, that shows success. 258 00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:35,640 So if you're an e-commerce business, you might want to look at conversion rates and so on and things like that. 259 00:24:35,650 --> 00:24:41,979 Each. Each sector has its own sort of terminology, which I won't bore you with because it is essentially terminology. 260 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:42,910 But underneath that, 261 00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:49,480 it's things that will show that you really understand what drives your business and will help all the other things fall into place. 262 00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:55,150 So you've decided that you want to raise capital. 263 00:24:55,180 --> 00:25:00,610 You've approached the investors, you've pitched them, and you've convinced them that they should invest in you. 264 00:25:00,940 --> 00:25:05,950 What happens then? How does a financing round work? So pre-funding. 265 00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:10,240 Let's say your business is worth £4 million and we will talk about valuation. 266 00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:14,770 So don't panic. But congratulations. You have a business that's worth £4 million. 267 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:18,910 You started it yourself. You own it all. 100% of the equity is yours. 268 00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:25,150 And you've done your work, as we said, and you've worked out how much you need to raise to get to the next stage, and that's £1,000,000. 269 00:25:25,450 --> 00:25:33,790 And so your investors are going to put in £1,000,000. What that means is after the capital raise, you'll have a company that's worth £5 million. 270 00:25:34,150 --> 00:25:38,080 Now, this is called Post-money valuation. This is something that you will hear when you raise money. 271 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,560 The post-money and the pre money. The 4 million is the pre money. 272 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:50,170 You add the one, you have the post-money, which is the five, and you now own 80% of 5 million, which is still the same 4 million that you had before. 273 00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:52,630 But you've got the additional capital from the investor. 274 00:25:53,170 --> 00:25:58,870 You should never really think about selling your own shares, only taking on new capital as an early stage business. 275 00:25:58,870 --> 00:26:02,620 Only sell your own shares once you're very, very mature because it's a very bad signal. 276 00:26:03,010 --> 00:26:08,410 So all the new capital that you take in shouldn't go to you. It goes to the company and helps the company grow. 277 00:26:09,910 --> 00:26:17,739 But as I said, we would talk about the dollars and cents. So how much you should raise is obviously a really important thing. 278 00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:24,370 And we talked a bit about it before. You should work it out using a model and you should think about the business needs, 279 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:29,180 but you should only really raise as much as you need to get the next to the next stage. 280 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,090 So what does your model tell you? You need to get to either breakeven or another point for a financing round. 281 00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:39,639 You don't want to raise more than that because essentially then you'll have to give away more 282 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,560 of your company and you want to get enough to get the business to the next stage for sure. 283 00:26:44,890 --> 00:26:48,820 But you don't want to give up too much of your business more than you needed to. 284 00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:52,000 You need to be prepared to give up some of your business for the benefit of it. 285 00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:57,880 A smaller percentage of a bigger value business can be worth more than a bigger percentage of a smaller value business. 286 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,220 Remember that. But try and get the balance right that. And then how does valuation work? 287 00:27:03,910 --> 00:27:09,040 Well, frankly, it's not that simple. It's a bit of an art and not a science. 288 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:17,110 It will be driven by demand. If you're a super hot valley, start up with venture capitalists beating your door down, the valuation will be very high. 289 00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:20,559 If you've only got one investor, really it's up to them. 290 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:28,240 So it's driven by demand for your company and the parameters will be led largely by the investors appetite, 291 00:27:28,450 --> 00:27:31,659 which is how much they want to invest and how much they want to own. 292 00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:37,660 So in the last example, it was 1 million for 20%, and investors will have a pretty good idea about that. 293 00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:42,909 And a good investor shouldn't try and sort of get one past you here. 294 00:27:42,910 --> 00:27:44,350 If you're picking the right investor, 295 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:52,480 then they should be behaving in a way where they realise that screwing up early is going to lead to misaligned incentives. 296 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,559 It's important that you understand that you shouldn't be too defensive. 297 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:03,220 You should obviously be aware, but investors really are aligned with you and so they need to keep you incentivised and not get one positive. 298 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:10,940 So once you've agreed on the parameters of the deal, the valuation and the amount you're going to raise, 299 00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:13,820 you will get to a point where you're given a term sheet. 300 00:28:13,910 --> 00:28:20,390 And these are terrifying things with all sorts of language in them that will scare the [INAUDIBLE] out of you. 301 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:26,840 I won't bore you with the minutia. We could have a whole day's worth of lectures on timesheets and still not agree. 302 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,200 So what I'll do is hit the five key points that I just want to flag to you now. 303 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:37,250 So if you ever see them in a time sheet, you sort of thought they were coming, and you'll be a better place to deal with them. 304 00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:40,730 The first is the type of instrument. 305 00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:46,820 So in the worked example before it was just sort of 20% of the same shares that you had, which is the common equity. 306 00:28:48,050 --> 00:28:52,610 And often that's what investors take, but sometimes they want preference shares. 307 00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:59,120 And what that means is shares that have either different economic or legal rights to yours. 308 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:09,589 So they might be entitled to a dividend or they might have more rights over what direction the company can go in than the common shares and finally, 309 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:16,370 convertible shares. These are things that generally happen in early companies and they're great because they don't need a valuation. 310 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:22,219 So before you have anything to really value convertible shares a great because they work like a debt instrument with 311 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:27,740 an interest rate which just accrues you don't actually have to pay it it just accrues in value on the on the loan. 312 00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:32,330 And then when you do raise around with the value, it converts into equity at that valuation. 313 00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:39,440 The thing about convertible shares is back to the angel investors and it sort of tends to be around that early stage when angels might be involved. 314 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,100 They can't get the tax relief on convertible shots, so be aware of that. 315 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Legal restrictions. There will be a bunch of these in the timesheet and these will be the investor 316 00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:56,390 putting restrictions on primarily when you can sell shares in your company, 317 00:29:56,390 --> 00:29:57,799 when you can issue new equity, 318 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:05,210 i.e. when you can go out and raise a new round and when you can sell the company or materially change the direction of the company. 319 00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:09,530 Now, this is not because they want to repress you. 320 00:30:09,530 --> 00:30:13,219 It's a shield for the investors, not a sword. They're investing based on a vision. 321 00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:18,830 And and they hope that your interests are aligned. So what they're doing here is just trying to make sure that your interests are 322 00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:23,570 aligned and and protecting themselves as minority investors in your business. 323 00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:29,680 Thirdly, the the Aesop. This is really, really important. 324 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:36,210 So when you raise money certainly later on. So not not at the very, very beginning, but but series and beyond, 325 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:41,520 investors will probably ask you to put aside a bit of your business into a share option scheme. 326 00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:49,140 Ten 15% is typical. So as well as selling the 20%, you'll have to give another ten or 15% into this option scheme. 327 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,450 The culture in the UK is not that in favour of option schemes in America that 328 00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:59,400 extremely popular and extremely sort of well-liked and entrepreneurs don't mind. 329 00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:02,790 Here people are a bit less sort of bullish on them. 330 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,890 My view is that they are extremely important and it will really help your business to have one. 331 00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:13,860 So I would not be too worried about giving equity to a to an option scheme. 332 00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:18,240 The reason for that is if you're going to be a world class start-up, you need world class people. 333 00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:22,290 And to get world class people and then incentivise them to remain world class, 334 00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:25,950 you need to give them some skin in the game and an option plan does that. 335 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:36,350 Diligence. So there will be requirements in the time sheet about what investors want to do to make sure that your business is what you say it is. 336 00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:42,950 Three types legal, which is pretty much what it sounds like it will be checking that your company exists and it was 337 00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:47,720 registered in the right way and you own the copyrights and the trademarks and things that you need, 338 00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:51,930 checking that your employment agreements all work. This is pretty arduous. 339 00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:58,520 You'll get asked to provide a ton of documentation and it's really, really painful, but it's important and it happens in every deal. 340 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,710 Financial doesn't happen in every deal, especially at the earliest stage. 341 00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:05,350 But if you have financials, you've been making money. 342 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:13,170 The investor may want to go through the accounts and just make sure everything adds up and that your cash balance is what it should be and so on, 343 00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:19,870 so forth. And commercial diligence again, doesn't always happen because quite often the commercial diligence is done before you get the timesheet. 344 00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:24,309 But that's the investor just checking that the market size is what they think 345 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:27,520 it is and that you're strategic direction is is what was agreed and what. 346 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,809 You know, they think it is. And so that's that's the third element. So you will definitely have to do legal whatever. 347 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:40,230 And the other two you may have to do especially at a later stage. Finally liquidation preferences you may have heard about. 348 00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:43,530 They're extremely complicated. They can be. 349 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:53,050 Very difficult things to get through. Essentially what they are are the rights of an investor to get a different return at certain thresholds to you. 350 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:58,030 Again, they fall in the category of the investor just trying to align incentives. 351 00:32:58,030 --> 00:33:02,860 So the investor is is looking for a return that sort of five, ten, 20 times. 352 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:08,889 They want you to grow the business that much and it might be good for you to double the value of the company and sell it for a few million pounds. 353 00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:13,930 And that's a great positive outcome, but it's not good for the investor who needs to get these big returns. 354 00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:20,260 So what the liquidation preference does is sort of stop you selling to cheaply, if you will. 355 00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:24,080 So again, a good investor shouldn't use this to to beat you. 356 00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,820 They should use it as a sort of a way to align incentives. 357 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:34,360 And you should just be aware of it because it does have material outcomes on your returns at the end of the day. 358 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,370 So what do you need in a financing? Really? 359 00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:45,080 You need a good lawyer. It's really important. There's a lot of stuff in there that you probably won't understand. 360 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:51,170 And the table is stacked against you because chances are the investor's done it before and chances are you may not have done so. 361 00:33:51,410 --> 00:33:54,440 Make sure you hire someone. It's worth spending a bit of money on. 362 00:33:56,740 --> 00:34:04,210 So I've said a lot about the rights. Investors are not doing things that go against your interests and working with you as a team. 363 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:08,230 How is it that you can go about choosing those right investors? 364 00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:15,280 Well, first, let's just talk a little bit about what a syndicate looks like. 365 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:23,920 Typically, you have a lead investor and as the rounds get bigger, so series and beyond, even at seed stage, you'll have other investors. 366 00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:33,740 So the lead investor. Well set the terms of the deal and will drive the diligence and drive the deal and be the key sort of investor going forward. 367 00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:36,650 Generally, they take the largest state, not always, but mostly, 368 00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:41,190 and they'll also help you structure the rest of the syndicate with the other investors. 369 00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:43,700 So they'll sort of help you decide who's good and who's who's not. 370 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:49,110 The other investors follow the terms set by the lead so they don't negotiate separately. 371 00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:54,440 You all sign one set of documents, which is great because you don't have to do it four times. 372 00:34:56,420 --> 00:35:00,740 They can be heavily involved in the company despite not being the lead. 373 00:35:00,980 --> 00:35:04,700 So they might take board seats if they've got enough stake, for example. 374 00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:08,209 And it's important that you like them. They're not just sort of dumb money to tag on. 375 00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:12,250 They can be very important partners as well. So what should you look for? 376 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:16,600 Well, in your lead investor, I think it's really important that they have a solid reputation. 377 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,299 Raising money from someone who has a great reputation puts you in a pool of that reputation. 378 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:28,060 So you can really do a lot for your company by being backed by the right investor or the right venture capital fund. 379 00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:34,200 Secondly, relevant expertise and a good track record. Someone who's done it before. 380 00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:38,630 I'm showing you that they've done it before and can prove that they know what they're talking about so they can help you. 381 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:46,049 Breadth of network. It's really important that they can help you with contacts, introduce you to people that you might want to hire. 382 00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:49,710 Introduce you to people who can give you advice, help you scale into new geographies. 383 00:35:51,090 --> 00:35:56,370 And other resources that can help you. As I said, hiring PR more money is also quite important. 384 00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:59,550 It might be helpful to go with an investor who can follow on in the next round. 385 00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:04,440 They don't always do that for various reasons, but it could be helpful to have at least one in the syndicate who might. 386 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:09,780 You need an individual in the deal who you like and trust. 387 00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:13,139 This is really important. They're going to be on your board. You're going to see them once a month. 388 00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:17,940 You're going to call them probably more than that. You better like them and you better believe that they believe in you. 389 00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:22,080 It's really important that you spend time with them before signing anything and make sure that 390 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,420 you like them and also make sure that there's a clear commitment to you and your business. 391 00:36:26,430 --> 00:36:32,070 Obviously, portfolios are big, so you need to understand how you fit into that portfolio and what kind of attention you'll get. 392 00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:36,860 So with the other investors, I think a lot of the above is true for them too. 393 00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:41,000 But additionally, you want to make sure that they'll work well with the lead investor. 394 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:47,329 You don't want to have investors who disagree and clash. So it would be good to see that they've worked together before, or at least they're aligned. 395 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:52,810 And what they want from you sector expertise or deep knowledge of your company can be helpful. 396 00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:55,280 You might want to take a small investor, for example, 397 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,290 who knows a tremendous amount about what you're doing or who has mentored you through the early stages. 398 00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:04,540 And finally again, the ability to follow on. 399 00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:10,630 This can be so often you take an investor with a small stake with the hope that they'll take a bigger stake in future out. 400 00:37:11,710 --> 00:37:15,370 So how do you then sign the deal? You've got to a point. 401 00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:20,770 You've decided you want to raise capital. You've worked out which investors you want, approach how to approach them, you've pitched them, 402 00:37:21,310 --> 00:37:24,820 you've worked out how much money you want to raise and at what valuation you've gone through. 403 00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:28,060 The time she, you've chosen the right syndicate. How did you sign? 404 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,820 Generally with a pattern. So where does that leave us? 405 00:37:34,850 --> 00:37:43,910 What have we learned today? I think there are a few key takeaways that I would like to just reiterate from from our conversation. 406 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,860 Firstly, capital can be vital for your company to grow. 407 00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:53,810 Don't be scared of raising capital. It's not giving away your business. It's really opening doors and opportunities. 408 00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:01,499 If that's the way you want to go. You may need capital more than once at every stage. 409 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:05,410 As I said, it can be crucial to you to have capital sometimes. 410 00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:12,030 Sometimes you only need it once, sometimes twice, sometimes five times. You know, go and crunchbase and just click through companies and you'll see. 411 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,780 There are a lot of places you can go for capital and you should pick the right one for you given your stage and what you're doing. 412 00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:25,870 So that could be traditional, it could be non-traditional, but really be aware that there are a lot of places to go. 413 00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:33,979 And we've talked about a few of them today. You should approach investors with care and do your homework and make sure that you're ready for the 414 00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:37,610 conversations that you're going to have because you don't generally get more than one go at it. 415 00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:40,340 And so we've given a few tips about how to do that, 416 00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:46,700 but make sure that you're definitely sort of ready to answer the difficult questions when you go to investors. 417 00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:54,430 Beware the details. So we talked about a few of the things in the time sheet and evaluation, but it's really important that you do. 418 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:59,220 When signing a deal, it's never simple. It's never, Oh, I'll just take the money and it's all done. 419 00:38:59,230 --> 00:39:03,670 There will be things that will impact the future of your business and your life materially going forward. 420 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:09,670 So make sure that you do personally spend time because you're the person who's most invested in your Start-Up. 421 00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:15,900 And finally pick investors that you trust and you like and you think are going to be good for your company. 422 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,440 If you are aware of all these things, as you scale your company and grow it, this will really help you on the financing side. 423 00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:27,780 They said it's only one part of having a successful company, but it is a really important one. 424 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:32,550 So I hope that you can take away some good advice from this presentation.