1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:14,900 Okay. Now what I'm going to do is to start right at the beginning with the theory of ideas, 2 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:23,610 and I'll be saying quite a lot more about the theory of ideas next week as well, when we're going to be talking about the theory of abstraction. 3 00:00:23,910 --> 00:00:29,550 And we're going to be going on to book one Part two, where the theory of Ideas figures pretty heavily. 4 00:00:31,530 --> 00:00:40,850 But here are some preliminaries. I've already mentioned John Locke's essay concerning human understanding. 5 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:47,900 He defines an idea like this whatsoever is the object of the understanding when a man thinks. 6 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:56,150 And that's supposed to include all types of thinking, perception, feeling, contemplation. 7 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:02,450 So when I see something, maybe I look at that light over there and I see it. 8 00:01:03,290 --> 00:01:09,290 I have an idea in my mind if I feel pain, that's an idea. 9 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:17,960 If I think about what's going on in my mind or contemplate something else, that's an idea. 10 00:01:24,610 --> 00:01:33,820 Now? HUME I think reasonably thinks that this usage is too broad and he suggests a different terminology. 11 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:41,500 So he coined the term impression, and an impression is a sensation or a feeling. 12 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,730 So, for example, if I see the blue sky, I smell a flower, I feel angry. 13 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:56,770 Those are impressions and they are distinguished from ideas, and ideas are essentially thoughts. 14 00:01:57,550 --> 00:02:04,240 So if I think about the sky, that's an idea as opposed to seeing it, which is an impression. 15 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:13,860 Humaneness is the term perception for anything, which is either an impression or an idea. 16 00:02:14,130 --> 00:02:19,530 So where Locke could use the idea, the word idea for whatever is in the mind, what a man thinks. 17 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:24,090 HUME uses the term perception. Perception is a more general term, 18 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:31,110 and you need to be a bit careful about that because it's quite natural for us to think of perception as meaning something like a sensation. 19 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:46,420 Humour's using it more generally. Impressionism divides into two kinds ideas impressions of sensation and impressions of reflection. 20 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,970 So some impressions come directly from sensation. 21 00:02:52,030 --> 00:02:55,030 If you look at something yellow, you get the impression of yellow. 22 00:02:56,170 --> 00:03:02,890 But other impressions only come when you think or reflect on what's going on in your mind. 23 00:03:03,430 --> 00:03:13,790 So those are impressions of reflection. For example, I may think about something I desire, and then that impression of desire. 24 00:03:13,810 --> 00:03:18,280 That feeling comes as a result of thinking about something else. 25 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,770 So that's the secondary impression and impression of reflection. 26 00:03:25,530 --> 00:03:32,280 Now when he talks about impressions of reflection, he tends to say that they are all passions or emotions. 27 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:36,450 And incidentally, HUME isn't terribly consistent on this terminology. 28 00:03:36,750 --> 00:03:43,620 You might think when he says they're either patterns or emotions, he must be drawing a distinction between passions and emotions. 29 00:03:44,010 --> 00:03:50,310 Unfortunately, sometimes when he writes about these things, he seems to be using the word pattern and emotion equivalently. 30 00:03:51,570 --> 00:03:57,570 This is not the last time that we will find humour using more than one word to mean apparently the same thing. 31 00:03:58,110 --> 00:03:59,340 And it can be confusing. 32 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:10,340 But then he writes, when he talks about impressions of reflection, he normally is thinking about what we would call feelings or desires. 33 00:04:11,750 --> 00:04:17,270 And there's a little bit of a problem there, as we'll see later, because he seems to be leaving something out. 34 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:29,120 Suppose, for example, that I suggest the notion of an argument or reasoning or belief. 35 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:36,440 Those all look like the sorts of things that we are aware of going on in our minds. 36 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,410 But they're not really feelings. They're not really desires. 37 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,560 So there is a risk here that humans categorisation is a little bit narrow. 38 00:04:48,590 --> 00:04:53,059 He seems to be thinking on the model of sensation. Okay, sensation. 39 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:56,750 Straight, straightforward enough. You see a colour. See the colour? Yellow. Right, fine. 40 00:04:57,530 --> 00:05:01,729 That just impinges on my mind and I get that sensation. Now, feeling is a bit like that. 41 00:05:01,730 --> 00:05:05,500 Okay. I feel hot. Hmm. Yeah. That's kind of halfway, isn't it? 42 00:05:05,510 --> 00:05:09,380 Halfway between a sensation and a feeling. Now I feel angry. 43 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:13,160 Oh, a bit more complicated because I'm feeling angry at something. 44 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:19,940 But let's leave that aside. But once you talk about things like belief, that doesn't look like a feeling at all. 45 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:24,470 But we'll see that sometimes you just talk about it as a feeling. 46 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,800 And I think what's going on here is simply that he's got a rather impoverished view of the contents of the mind. 47 00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:36,740 He started out with this model of everything being a perception, either an impression or an idea. 48 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:46,910 So when he gets something that is clearly not a sensation but looks like like it's more than an idea, it's something that we're actually aware of. 49 00:05:47,750 --> 00:05:56,330 He shoehorn it into the box of internal impressions, so we'll come up against examples of that later. 50 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:02,000 So what's the distinction between impressions and ideas? 51 00:06:02,750 --> 00:06:09,770 Well, in his official statements, as it were, human tends to give the impression he used the word. 52 00:06:10,190 --> 00:06:14,270 But the distinction between them is based purely on force and liveliness. 53 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,420 All of the sections of the human mind resolve themselves into two distinct times, which are actually called impressions and ideas. 54 00:06:22,130 --> 00:06:26,840 The difference betwixt these consists in the force and liveliness with which they 55 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:30,560 strike upon the soul and make their way into our thoughts or consciousness. 56 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,810 Those which end with most force and violence, we may name impressions. 57 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:50,030 But who owns teams? But if things aren't always that simple, sometimes our thoughts can be as vivid as our impressions. 58 00:06:51,980 --> 00:06:59,330 This example is inspired by my daughter during the recent vacation. 59 00:07:00,230 --> 00:07:08,060 One night I was woken by a blood curdling scream and it turned out that she was dreaming of being attacked by spiders, 60 00:07:08,810 --> 00:07:12,050 which for her would be about the worst thing that could possibly happen in the world. 61 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:18,560 Now compare the force and vivacity of a thought like that. 62 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:28,510 With the fulsome vivacity of a sensation such as watching paint dry, which is more forceful and vivacious. 63 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:38,020 So there seems to be a problem here. HUME is saying on the one hand that impressions are more lively than ideas, more forceful and vivacious. 64 00:07:38,590 --> 00:07:45,460 On the other hand, if you compare impressions and ideas in detail, it doesn't seem to hold up. 65 00:07:46,180 --> 00:07:56,409 A friend of Hume's put another similar problem to him, and he is textiles. 66 00:07:56,410 --> 00:07:59,800 Show some awareness of this sort of issue. 67 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:12,380 So sometimes he says things like this, I believe it will not be very necessary to employ many words in explaining this distinction. 68 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:17,810 Every one of himself will readily perceive the difference between feeling and thinking. 69 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:24,020 Now, that gives the impression that the difference between the two is not just a matter of force and vivacity. 70 00:08:24,230 --> 00:08:30,260 Essentially, when he talks about impressions, he's trying to capture feeling and sensation. 71 00:08:30,980 --> 00:08:35,420 When he talks about ideas. He's trying to capture that thinking. 72 00:08:36,170 --> 00:08:43,190 And I think in general, we understand best if we take this as the real basis of the distinction rather than force and vivacity. 73 00:08:46,590 --> 00:08:49,800 Now some of our ideas can be divided up into components. 74 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:56,640 So for example, suppose you see an apple and maybe you give it a smell, make you taste it, 75 00:08:57,540 --> 00:09:02,880 and all these different components of the Apple impression can be divided up. 76 00:09:03,180 --> 00:09:09,420 So when you when you sense an apple, you have a complex impression. 77 00:09:10,170 --> 00:09:13,710 But you can divide it up into simpler parts. 78 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:21,390 We'll be seeing quite a lot more about that next week. Notice that the shape of an apple is itself complex. 79 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:28,950 So you've got the round bit. Maybe you've got the store. And again, each of those can be divided up further. 80 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,550 Having divided up our ideas into simpler parts. We can put those parts together in different ways. 81 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:39,000 So, for example, we can take the idea of gold and a mountain. 82 00:09:39,010 --> 00:09:43,530 Put those together. Get the idea of a golden mountain. The idea of a horse and a horn. 83 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:50,730 Put those together. We get the idea of a unicorn. And we can invent all sorts of strange, imaginary things. 84 00:09:50,730 --> 00:09:53,850 Like a banana. Or the shape of the banana. 85 00:09:54,330 --> 00:09:55,290 The taste of an apple. 86 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:06,110 I'd be surprised if it turned out to be one, but I can imagine what it would be like to taste the banana, and it turns out to taste like an apple. 87 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:11,660 So I got the complex impression of a banana, most of which is copied from here. 88 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:26,550 And then I add to it an impression that I've got from elsewhere. So Hugh divides all ideas and impressions into simple and complex. 89 00:10:27,450 --> 00:10:31,950 He suggests that if we do this business of dividing up our ideas into simpler paths, 90 00:10:32,370 --> 00:10:38,610 if we carry on doing that, eventually we'll come to ideas or impressions that are perfectly simple. 91 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,880 This is not uncontroversial. If you actually imagine trying to do it in practice, 92 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:53,010 it becomes very tricky and we'll see that humans view of how it should be done or what it implies has quite profound implications. 93 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:57,330 Next week. That's any rate. 94 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,440 He thinks in the treaties at least that this can be done. 95 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,500 Simple perceptions or impressions and ideas are such as admits of no distinction nor separation. 96 00:11:08,220 --> 00:11:11,790 The complex of the contrary to these and make is to be distinguished into part. 97 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:18,870 Interestingly, in the inquiry, he seems less committed to this. He does talk a little bit about simpler or more complex ideas, 98 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:26,160 but he doesn't seem to be so convinced that all ideas are either simple or complex, and I'll be suggesting a reason for that. 99 00:11:31,410 --> 00:11:38,280 Back to the origin of Ideas and Locks essay the whole of the book. 100 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:43,020 One of Locke's essay is devoted to arguing against innate ideas and principles. 101 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:52,350 Here his target is clearly people like Descartes. Descartes wanted to argue that we have an innate idea of God and the idea of extension. 102 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:58,020 Locke wants to say against that that all of our ideas are derived from experience, 103 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:03,150 and the bulk of the essay, or at least a major part of it, is in book two. 104 00:12:04,410 --> 00:12:08,610 Book2 is the part probably which you like to study most if you study Locke. 105 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:15,750 What he's doing there is explaining how all the various ideas that we have can be explained is coming from experience. 106 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:23,430 Many, myself included, actually think you're probably better off without one of Locke's essay. 107 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:26,250 The real work is done in book two. 108 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:35,130 If all our ideas can be explained as coming from experience, then the notion that any of them are innate just falls out is redundant. 109 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,870 If you can give a good example explanation for the origin of all our ideas, 110 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:44,040 which explains that nature and how we get them and when we don't get them and so forth, 111 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:51,390 we have then a good psychological account of what's going on, and there's no need to postulate any unique ideas. 112 00:12:53,770 --> 00:13:02,200 Incidentally, just in passing this distinction between those who think there are innate ideas and those who deny it is probably the biggest 113 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:09,190 distinction between those who are commonly classed as rationalists and those who are commonly classed as empiricist within that period. 114 00:13:09,610 --> 00:13:17,350 Personally, I think it's a very misleading distinction, but if you want a basis for it, this would be the main basis. 115 00:13:17,950 --> 00:13:22,750 In general, trying to categorise philosophers in this way is not terribly helpful. 116 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:29,110 And if you look at somebody like Malabar, who's a follower of Descartes in many ways classed as a rationalist. 117 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:33,610 Look at Berkeley, who is one of the paradigm empiricists. 118 00:13:33,790 --> 00:13:41,380 You'll find that they're much closer together than almost any other pairing, and yet they're tossed on different sides of this divide. 119 00:13:44,970 --> 00:13:51,960 But in this respect, when it comes to idea empiricism, that is our ideas innate or do they come from experience? 120 00:13:52,560 --> 00:14:03,810 Here, Lock and HUME are definitely on the imperious side, and HUME presents this this copy principle as the first principle of fits his philosophy. 121 00:14:05,580 --> 00:14:14,130 All are simple ideas in their first appearance are derived from simple impressions which are corresponding to them and which they exactly represent. 122 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:25,380 Now, that's a pretty big claim, and he's making that claim in the very first section of the treatise, seventh paragraph. 123 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:38,610 That's quite striking. I think part of the explanation why him goes to this so quickly is it is at that point a pretty orthodox opinion. 124 00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:51,240 Most people are lucky, and most of Hume's audience will be taking Locke as the Orthodox position, not the discredited Descartes for various reasons. 125 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,440 At the inquiry, HUME actually puts in a footnote saying basically that this doctrine that all ideas 126 00:14:59,620 --> 00:15:04,240 derive from impressions is essentially a clarification of what Locke was saying. 127 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:11,410 Those who deny any ideas. This seems to be what they're saying, that really all our ideas come from impressions. 128 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:21,960 Just to clarify this a little bit. I mean, suppose somebody were to say that anger is not innate. 129 00:15:23,850 --> 00:15:26,850 That seems a little bit odd, but it is very, 130 00:15:26,850 --> 00:15:35,580 very natural in certain circumstances for anger to arise or fear that you stand at the end of a precipice. 131 00:15:35,730 --> 00:15:42,720 What could be more natural than to feel fear? Possibly we have innate fear of spiders and snakes. 132 00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:52,050 So it seems rather strange to deny that our impressions, our feelings, have an innate character to them. 133 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,840 So what you're saying is, look, Locke wouldn't have had any problem with that. 134 00:15:58,410 --> 00:16:04,860 The real essence of Locke's thinking when he says that all our ideas derive from experience, 135 00:16:05,370 --> 00:16:10,110 is that all our ideas, in Hume's sense, are derived from impressions. 136 00:16:10,950 --> 00:16:17,850 So when we send something, when we feel something that can give rise to an idea which we can then use to thinking. 137 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:24,360 And that, HUME thinks, greatly clarifies Locke's empiricist doctrine. 138 00:16:27,830 --> 00:16:35,360 Now this is quite famous, the poppy principle, particularly because of the inquiry. 139 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,690 Actually, it was a bit of an irony here. He doesn't use it much in the inquiry, but on the other hand, he makes a lot of noise about it. 140 00:16:42,260 --> 00:16:45,500 So we get this famous passage. 141 00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:54,340 When we entertain. Therefore, any suspicion that a philosophical term is employed without any meaning or idea as is but too frequent, 142 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,560 we need but inquire from what impression is that supposed idea derived? 143 00:17:00,460 --> 00:17:04,900 And if it be impossible to assign any, this will serve to confirm our suspicion. 144 00:17:05,530 --> 00:17:08,980 So it looks like what he was going to do. Armed with the copy principle. 145 00:17:09,370 --> 00:17:14,440 All ideas are derived from impressions. These philosophers come out with these supposed ideas. 146 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,440 HUME I'm going to show that this idea cannot be derived from any impression. 147 00:17:19,460 --> 00:17:22,900 Therefore, it's bogus. That looks like he's going to do that. 148 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:29,230 In practice, he doesn't. In practice, it's actually rather hard to find clear examples of him doing that. 149 00:17:29,950 --> 00:17:38,740 He employs the copy principle a lot in the treatise, but actually it's nearly always to clarify our ideas, not to say that there is no such idea. 150 00:17:39,250 --> 00:17:43,210 So, for example, the most famous case of this is the idea of necessary connection. 151 00:17:44,140 --> 00:17:47,140 And HUME does not say we have no idea of necessity. 152 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:55,650 Not at all. He actually traces what he takes to be the impression of that idea, and he thus actually vindicates the idea. 153 00:17:55,660 --> 00:18:00,190 He says, There you are. That's the origin of the idea. Now we can see it's nature. 154 00:18:02,170 --> 00:18:10,120 Again, take the idea of substance. HUME is commonly thought to have dismissed the idea of substance on these sorts of grounds. 155 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:13,090 But if you actually look at the text, it's not so clear at all. 156 00:18:13,780 --> 00:18:20,050 What he says is we have no idea of substance distinct from the collection of properties. 157 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:27,010 Does that mean there is no idea of substance or does it mean the idea of substance just is the idea of a collection of properties? 158 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:35,080 This can be controversial, but there aren't that many clear cases where HUME says this is a completely bogus idea. 159 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,370 I think essence and substantial form are probably the clearest. 160 00:18:42,550 --> 00:18:43,150 That's only right. 161 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:52,720 It looks as though from this very forthright statement in the inquiry, he's going to be using the copy principle as an aggressive weapon. 162 00:18:53,860 --> 00:19:02,380 What basis does he have for that? Well, he gets two arguments for the copy principle, both in the treaties and the inquiry. 163 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,300 He seems to be pretty consistent on this. First of all, he says there are no counterexamples. 164 00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:14,170 All look at all your ideas. Can you see any for which there's not a corresponding impression? 165 00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:19,450 Well, maybe you've got the idea of a uniform that had no corresponding impression. 166 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:28,240 You've never seen a unicorn. Sure. But the idea of a unicorn is made up of simpler ideas which all derive from experience. 167 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:35,890 Okay, so have you got any simple ideas that are not derived from impressions that are not copied from impressions? 168 00:19:36,370 --> 00:19:39,650 I bet you haven't. You can't produce it. And you can, you know. 169 00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:41,470 Nor can I. There we are. That's a good argument. 170 00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:51,740 Moreover, not only do we find that there's this correspondence between simple ideas and simple impressions, the impressions always come first. 171 00:19:52,340 --> 00:19:55,370 They must be the cause of the ideas then, not the other way round. 172 00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:06,219 Second argument for the coffee principle is that if you take someone who doesn't have the appropriate senses, 173 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:11,860 who have no means of getting the relevant impressions, we find they don't have the ideas either. 174 00:20:13,180 --> 00:20:15,580 So someone who's blind has no visual ideas. 175 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:24,160 If you've never tasted pineapple, quite an exotic fruit in that time, of course you wouldn't necessarily have tasted pineapple. 176 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,900 You can't form any idea of the taste of pineapple. So there we are. 177 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:38,820 No impression, no corresponding idea. These arguments aren't actually that strong. 178 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:45,660 I mean, I think amongst the arguments that make it into the inquiry, these are probably the weakest. 179 00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:50,820 And that's a bit of a puzzle. Why are they so weak? Why does he not see the weakness? 180 00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:56,050 And I suspect it's because, again, we have the lockean orthodoxies. 181 00:20:57,150 --> 00:21:05,430 More or less. All philosophers in Britain at that time seem to have accepted the doctrine that our ideas are derived from experience. 182 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:11,940 Locke's essay had been extremely influential when Thomas read later, 1764, 183 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:18,180 wrote his inquiry into the human mind on the principles of common sense attacking him. 184 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:27,090 He saw himself as fighting against a tradition which accepted the theory of ideas and in particular this part of it. 185 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:31,020 So maybe HUME was a little bit too complacent. 186 00:21:34,030 --> 00:21:38,680 Think about that first argument. Look at your simple ideas. 187 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,920 You can't find any of them. That doesn't have a corresponding simple impression, can you? 188 00:21:46,270 --> 00:21:49,660 Yes. Well, which one? Essence. 189 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,530 No, that's bogus idea. That's a bogus idea because it doesn't have a corresponding impression. 190 00:21:55,980 --> 00:22:01,139 Hang on. Do you challenge me to produce an idea which didn't have a corresponding impression? 191 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:06,840 I've done that essence. And now you're saying it isn't a legitimate idea because it doesn't have a corresponding impression. 192 00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:12,510 You're just taking the question. So actually, that argument just doesn't look like a strong argument. 193 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,150 It's no good throwing a challenge to people if immediately they rise to the challenge. 194 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:22,350 You're just going to dismiss it on the grounds of the principle that you're arguing for. 195 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,460 What about the second argument? Well, okay. 196 00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:43,000 It's plausible, isn't it? It's plausible that a blind man who's never seen Red has no idea of red. 197 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,210 It's plausible. But how do we know? How could you possibly know? 198 00:22:50,290 --> 00:22:53,410 You go to the blind man and you say, Have you had an idea of red? 199 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:58,480 What an idea. What red? Oh, I don't know what that word means. 200 00:22:58,610 --> 00:23:02,830 I mean, I had all sorts of ideas, but goodness knows what one you're talking about. 201 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,670 How do you communicate with that person? How do you find out whether they have or haven't had an idea of red? 202 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,980 There's another problem here, too. I mean, suppose a blind man dream is in red and maybe they do. 203 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:26,740 They have a dream which includes some kind of red sensation, but it looks ever so much like humans just going to say, 204 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:32,050 oh, well, that's that's an impression, not an idea, because that's what gives them the idea. 205 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,140 So the first time the red appears in their dream, it's their mind creating an impression. 206 00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:46,630 What do you say that? I don't know. But it looks like his arguments really are pretty unsatisfactory. 207 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:53,450 Certainly the very cursory way in which he presents them is nothing like sufficient to establish them. 208 00:23:54,950 --> 00:24:04,250 Now, some authors, Jonathan Bennett in particular, suggests that what's going on here is something different from what appears on the surface. 209 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:10,950 You presents this as a sort of empirical hypothesis that our ideas derive from impressions. 210 00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:18,770 Here's some experimental evidence for it. Bennett suggests the arguments are so poor, actually, we ought to read them as doing something different. 211 00:24:19,670 --> 00:24:24,410 Think back to the blind man where you say to him, Have you got an idea of red? 212 00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:29,030 And he says, I've no idea what you're talking about. Precisely. 213 00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:35,510 You cannot understand the word red because you cannot tie it in with your experience. 214 00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:45,590 So no matter what's going on in your mind, the idea of red, as in the meaning of the word red, is something that's unknown to you. 215 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:55,070 So it does look quite suggestive here, particularly in the light of 20th century logical empiricism and so on. 216 00:24:55,460 --> 00:25:05,030 It looks quite tempting to interpret Hume's arguments here as to do with meaningfulness of terms rather than the occurrence of ideas in the mind. 217 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:12,890 Now. I'm not going to adopt that view. It's interesting that there's a lot of controversy here. 218 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,680 Don Garrett in his book gave a citation of that, defends him on this. 219 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,480 And it's an open question to what extent he can be defended. 220 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:37,310 The problems don't end there. Immediately after he's presented his arguments, the principal HUME gives a counterexample. 221 00:25:38,060 --> 00:25:41,060 Very strange, he said. All our ideas are derived from Impressionist. 222 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:47,900 Oh, hang on. Here's an exception. And the exception is the famous missing shade of blue. 223 00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:56,510 So the way this goes is you imagine somebody who's encountered lots and lots and lots of different shades of blue during their life. 224 00:25:57,380 --> 00:26:02,780 And you imagine all of these shades of blue put in a spectrum from the darkest to the lightest. 225 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:07,090 Except there's one missing. There's one shade of blue that he's never encountered. 226 00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:13,040 This is a gap in the spectrum. And HUME asks, Could he fill that gap? 227 00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:18,050 Would he be able to form an idea of blue intermediate between the two sides of the gap? 228 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:22,010 And he suggests, yes, he probably could. Okay. 229 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,430 There's this little exception. Never mind. Let's leave that aside and go on. 230 00:26:27,530 --> 00:26:29,960 What seems a slightly strange way of proceeding. 231 00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:38,750 I mean, again, I think I think here actually, it's easier to defend him, but I think we can see little [INAUDIBLE] opening in his armour. 232 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:47,180 How would you defend him? What would you say about this? Well, I think the most obvious thing to say is something like this. 233 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:55,549 Look, this isn't really a serious problem. I mean, if what you want to say is that all the materials of our thoughts are derived from experience, 234 00:26:55,550 --> 00:27:01,130 which seems to be the gist of what human Locke's empiricism amounts to, 235 00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:06,920 then this particular idea is derived from experience, it's derived from mixing ideas, 236 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,730 if you like, merging ideas which are themselves copied from impressionism. 237 00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:18,680 So where's the problem? Well, the problem actually comes in humans account of simplicity and complexity. 238 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:25,430 The problem is that those two ideas on each side of the gap, those simple images of blue, 239 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:29,030 slightly different blues, are both supposed to be simple ideas. 240 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,950 So if you merge them, what you get must be a complex idea. But hang on a second. 241 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:38,810 That idea surely has is just as simple as the others. They're just different shades of blue. 242 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:48,920 So actually, I think it's quite easy to defend. HUME If you're prepared, prepared to relax the simple, complex distinction in the treatise, 243 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,580 at least HUME wants to hang on to the simple, complex distinction. 244 00:27:53,150 --> 00:27:58,940 But this kind of thing may be part of the pressure that seems to have made him less committed to it. 245 00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:15,130 The theory of ideas. Well, the theory of ideas informs a lot of what is going on, both in Locke's philosophy and in humans. 246 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:23,049 The basic idea is roughly that thinking consists in having ideas or perceptions in human 247 00:28:23,050 --> 00:28:29,710 sense in front of the mind and to distinguish between the different kinds of thinking. 248 00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:34,340 Essentially what one looks at is the objects, the ideas. 249 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:40,720 You don't think in terms of mental activity so much as these ideas that are on the mental state. 250 00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:46,510 So seeing a tree is having an impression of the tree in front of the mind. 251 00:28:46,780 --> 00:28:50,080 Thinking of a tree involves having an idea in front of the mind. 252 00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:53,470 Feeling a pain is having an impression of pain and so on. 253 00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:11,390 Now, the problem here is this is a very limited conception of human thinking, particularly when you combine it with the copy principle. 254 00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:17,150 Because humans copy principle says that all our ideas are direct copies of impressions. 255 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,740 They just find two copies. And in thinking just is a matter of having ideas in front of the mind. 256 00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:32,570 Then thinking is just like a fainter kind of perception. So it looks like all thinking is essentially being reduced to perception. 257 00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:41,600 And again, we can see hints of that in Hume's use of the word perception for the general contents of the mind. 258 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,450 So we'll see that this leads to difficulties later on. 259 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:56,270 Another thing that will be very important later on is Hume's theory of the Association of Ideas. 260 00:29:56,990 --> 00:30:00,140 He introduces that in Treatise 114. 261 00:30:00,150 --> 00:30:03,800 In other words, Book one but one. Section four. 262 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,020 And there he identifies three main principles of association. 263 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:19,800 So he wants to say that when we dream, when we tell a story, when we think of one thing followed by another, 264 00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:26,520 typically our thoughts are led by these three relations and either resemblance, 265 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,830 contiguity, in other words, closeness in time and place or cause and effect. 266 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:40,980 And he is going to explain, as we shall see later, a lot of mental effects in terms of this association of ideas. 267 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:52,390 In particular, HUME attributes the Association of Ideas with the formation of a lot of complex ideas. 268 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:58,270 And he points out that different languages have very similar complex ideas. 269 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:05,860 He suggests this is because there are natural associations of ideas which pull them together to form those complex ideas. 270 00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:12,880 And we'll be going on later to see what he has to say about these different kinds of complex ideas. 271 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,390 I shall just end with a reference back to John Locke. 272 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:28,870 A very important difference between human his predecessors is the positive role that human gifts to the Association of Ideas. 273 00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:30,790 And indeed, HUME trumpets this. 274 00:31:30,910 --> 00:31:37,150 In the abstract, when he's talking about what he's done in the treaties notes is the very strong contrast with John Locke. 275 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:42,520 John Locke wants to say that the Association of Ideas is a kind of madness, 276 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:48,820 something which leads our thoughts quite contrary to reason humans will see actually 277 00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:53,440 wants to explain a lot of our reason in terms of the association of ideas. 278 00:31:55,030 --> 00:31:56,770 That's it for today. See you next week.