1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:09,690 Good afternoon, everyone. Before we begin, I would like to invite you to quickly stretch if you need to or take a few conscious 2 00:00:09,690 --> 00:00:15,300 breaths because I understand it gets really tiring when we're sitting for a long time. 3 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:31,000 And just kind of notice. What you're feeling right now as you're sitting in this room and you've been talking about peace since 9:30 in the morning, 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:38,310 if I were to ask you too quickly, maybe close your eyes if you want to, if you feel comfortable. 5 00:00:38,310 --> 00:00:43,950 Imagine what peace means to you today. 6 00:00:43,950 --> 00:00:49,670 How do you see it? How do you visualise it? 7 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:57,160 What colours patterned shapes? 8 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:05,680 From the idea of peace. As you understand it. 9 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:13,960 Today. And if I can just again invite you to come back to where we're sitting right now. 10 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:23,760 That'd be great. Before I begin, I also want to acknowledge that it's a huge privilege speaking here today, 11 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:33,240 not just for the obvious reasons I come from Kashmir and being able to speak more freely or in some ways 12 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:39,660 freely is the huge privilege that a lot of my friends and colleagues back home don't have right now. 13 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:46,500 So I just wanted to acknowledge that before I became who bill space, I honestly don't know. 14 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:57,240 It's a question that I've struggled with since I began this work a long time ago, and I'm not here to claim that I'm building peace back home. 15 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:08,790 I'm just going to share here what I do in peace psychology and my very humble reflections, learnings and some other learnings as well. 16 00:02:08,790 --> 00:02:20,250 Most importantly, that I have understood and realised through this journey and mostly as a practitioner, because that's where my heart and soul is. 17 00:02:20,250 --> 00:02:29,610 If you had asked me what peace psychology is maybe 10 years ago and how we built peace, I think I would have given you a very flowery answer. 18 00:02:29,610 --> 00:02:33,600 But over the years, I think the understanding of history has evolved, 19 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:44,720 and as I've tried to understand more of peace, I feel like I don't understand a lot of it. 20 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:51,880 There's not a I don't have a PowerPoint presentation, I just have a. 21 00:02:51,880 --> 00:03:01,050 Client. Because I was busy getting visa work and travelling work. 22 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:02,820 No kidding. 23 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:12,690 This is just to kind of give you a context of where I come from and just so that we get the title right because I had somebody asked me once, 24 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:17,700 what is BS psychology? Because they kind of interpreted peace, says BS. 25 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:22,970 And I was like, Oh, that would be interesting to reflect on. 26 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:31,070 So piece psychology kind of happened to me, it wasn't something that I aspired to do 17 years ago in my high school, 27 00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:38,900 I went to a high school called United World College. It was started by a German educationalists who thought maybe peace could be peace. 28 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:44,180 Education could be a way to unite people. So it's a chain of high schools around the world right now. 29 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:53,300 I went to the one in India and at the age of 16 17, I took psychology and started getting trained in conflict resolution, 30 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:58,970 mediation, conflict management and other techniques. And it kind of brought in the world for me. 31 00:03:58,970 --> 00:04:08,060 And as I asked myself bigger questions of what it means to be a Kashmiri and how can I kind of contribute to the community I am a part of? 32 00:04:08,060 --> 00:04:11,570 So that's where the whole idea of psychology came in, 33 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:20,630 and it was also inspired by the fact that I'm talking 17 years ago when we were hardly talking about psychology and mental health, 34 00:04:20,630 --> 00:04:22,520 at least in my context. 35 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:28,880 And I thought there were people obviously working on these initiatives, and there were people separately working on peace building. 36 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:35,450 And I felt like there was a gap and I wanted to somehow bridge that gap in my own humble race. 37 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:43,010 I didn't exactly know how to go about that, but psychology felt like the most relevant thing I could do, 38 00:04:43,010 --> 00:04:51,560 especially because there was a lack of holistic, contextualised decolonised approach to healing, justice and peace building. 39 00:04:51,560 --> 00:05:02,280 So I wanted to basically create a support system that was relevant to people in conflict zones just like in Kashmir. 40 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:10,190 My foundational understanding began with the understanding that humans are complex. 41 00:05:10,190 --> 00:05:12,530 And so he speaks and so is conflict. 42 00:05:12,530 --> 00:05:18,800 We could go to the Moon and probably to the Mars in the next few years, and I think we'll still end up with conflicts. 43 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,780 So I started with the understanding that we need to probably give people skills so 44 00:05:23,780 --> 00:05:28,950 that they can at least cope with the ramifications of living in conflict zones, 45 00:05:28,950 --> 00:05:36,510 not putting too much onus on them only. But I think that's a kind of a beginning step. 46 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:43,970 And on the ground, a lot of my work has been trying to understand. 47 00:05:43,970 --> 00:05:50,420 How to respond to the conflict when it changes every day when the dynamics of conflict changes every day. 48 00:05:50,420 --> 00:05:57,410 What do you do as a practitioner to support the people that support the community, which you are also a part of? 49 00:05:57,410 --> 00:06:05,660 And in Dipo realise something like neutrality doesn't really exist because there will be times when you will react human. 50 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:14,960 As a peace builder, you will have your heart broken and your soul shaken, and that happens actually all the time. 51 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,440 And for me, peace has always been a process and not a product, 52 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:27,230 so I come from a very positive peace building kind of an approach where somebody actually asked me, 53 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:31,760 How do you build peace in a place with an ongoing conflict? 54 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:40,220 I think it was an important question, and most of the times when I'm not in existential crisis, I think the answer is quite simple. 55 00:06:40,220 --> 00:06:52,520 By doing what is needed on the ground and I'm just here to share some of the reflections of what I've been trying to do and what I've learnt from it, 56 00:06:52,520 --> 00:07:00,840 basically. So in places like Kashmir, I worked in Kashmir and Afghanistan, in Myanmar and other parts of South Asia. 57 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:09,320 But my point of reference is obviously majorly Kashmir, because that's what I've done a lot of work in, and I'm currently also based there. 58 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:17,390 We're talking about places with ongoing mental health crises. Different layers of trauma, helplessness. 59 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:25,970 Socio economic crisis. Drug menace, unemployment, internet suspensions, communication blockades. 60 00:07:25,970 --> 00:07:34,130 And, you know, you name it. It's a lot of it is really painful to see on a daily basis. 61 00:07:34,130 --> 00:07:40,550 So for me, the psychology was this hopeful kind of thing where I felt like maybe holistically if we understood 62 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:47,750 humans in their own context and tried to kind of support and take care of some of their needs, 63 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:52,200 I think at least we can create some windows of calm. 64 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,270 And I don't want to call it peace because I feel like that's a lot to say, 65 00:07:56,270 --> 00:08:03,320 but I feel like some windows of calm so that they can kind of understand what's happening to them. 66 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:10,040 And in that intersectionality has been very important to me, and that's how I have been working at the intersection of mental health, 67 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:20,570 psychology, arts, conflict transformation and peace building, especially with a localised, culturally relevant kind of an understanding. 68 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:28,370 I'm just going to briefly talk about some of the themes I've been working with because in the next ten minutes, that's all I can do. 69 00:08:28,370 --> 00:08:36,620 Mental is political. Many times when I speak about it, people are like, Why don't you just only talk about psychology? 70 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:38,840 Don't talk about politics. 71 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:48,830 I think the times we live in, it's increasingly going to be even more important to acknowledge that mental is political and vice versa, 72 00:08:48,830 --> 00:08:55,370 especially in conflict zones where individuals like me try to do something on the ground. 73 00:08:55,370 --> 00:09:04,430 But then you have an overarching political framework which impacts all aspects of your life, whether you like it or not. 74 00:09:04,430 --> 00:09:12,560 There's also a very heavy emphasis on this word, which I'm sure you heard a lot resilience in the past couple of years. 75 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:16,210 I've come to hate the word. I don't like it any more. 76 00:09:16,210 --> 00:09:25,600 Because I feel like there's just too much onus on the surviving communities to be resilient, to go on despite the chaos. 77 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,350 Despite the conflict. And that does not help. 78 00:09:30,350 --> 00:09:35,240 I'm still struggling with the word healing, I don't know if it really happens in conflict zones. 79 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:41,600 I think most of the times we just try to put Band-Aids on the wounds because that trauma is really intrinsic. 80 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:48,830 It's intergenerational. And sometimes imagine I'm talking to somebody on the phone today providing psychological 81 00:09:48,830 --> 00:09:55,220 first aid and the internet and the phone lines get cut because of the political turmoil. 82 00:09:55,220 --> 00:10:03,290 The next time I speak with this person could be three months after I get up to 15 days later, you know, 83 00:10:03,290 --> 00:10:13,160 and the next time I speak with this person, I have to go back and start from point zero, which gets exhausting for both of us in the process. 84 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:19,550 The next time that I'll briefly touch upon is decolonisation and contextualisation. 85 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:24,740 I know these are very heavy words that people have so many theories about. 86 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:30,620 I'm not here to give you any theories in my very simple, humble understanding. 87 00:10:30,620 --> 00:10:37,010 I feel like a lot of peacebuilding field is still very colonised, and so is psychological support. 88 00:10:37,010 --> 00:10:41,120 And to begin with, we need to kind of colonised a lot of these words. 89 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:50,750 For instance, I studied in the West as well, so when I came back, I thought I was going to teach some fancy things to, you know, people back home. 90 00:10:50,750 --> 00:11:00,260 So let's start with self-care. And as you would know, the the current notions of self-care, you know, Netflix and chill. 91 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:08,000 That's actually not self-care, especially for a community like ours where community is a huge factor. 92 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:15,590 And individualism doesn't really exist. I mean, talk to women about self and they're like, What is that? 93 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:20,690 And I'm not here to discredit the whole concept of self-care. I think it has its own importance. 94 00:11:20,690 --> 00:11:27,770 But in places like Kashmir, the notions of care and nurture and support comes from communities, 95 00:11:27,770 --> 00:11:35,180 so you cannot actually see it in in a silo, you have to see it within the context of the broader community. 96 00:11:35,180 --> 00:11:44,660 And in that the contextualisation is so important, the work I was doing in the U.S. before I came in, I had to kind of put it away, 97 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:50,030 get rid of my accent that I had picked out because I had been studying internationally 98 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:56,960 for a while and create new modules that I thought could help people on the ground. 99 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:07,220 And I've been trying to do that through a lot of experiential workshops, modules, seminars that take into consideration the local richness of art, 100 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:14,720 culture, spirituality, you know, creativity and a lot of other things religion as well. 101 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,910 I think that's an important factor. And we there's often a debate between psychology and religion, 102 00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:26,770 when religion actually can be a huge psychological support, which is the case in Kashmir is what. 103 00:12:26,770 --> 00:12:37,800 The third theme and something very close to my heart is creating community safe spaces for expression, dialogue and interconnectedness. 104 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:49,020 So in so the picture that you're seeing is actually from an initiative that I do, it's called a zone dope. 105 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:53,850 So Deb is basically from the Kashmiri architecture, 106 00:12:53,850 --> 00:13:06,720 it used to be like a balcony kind of a room from where you could basically stargaze moon gaze zone means moon in Kashmiri and Dobies basically a room. 107 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,900 So this is kind of a modern idea of a zone, 108 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:18,360 but the initiative is called zoo in Durban in that people come together and they share their narratives of what is happening to them psychologically, 109 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:23,340 what is a conflict doing to them? What are their mental health needs and other needs? 110 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:29,130 And they do it through a different creative ways through storytelling, through, you know, artistic expression. 111 00:13:29,130 --> 00:13:34,380 Art is an integral part of everything I do because I think that really helps at all levels. 112 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:38,670 So because of COVID, Zoom is something that you could basically do anywhere. 113 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:45,600 I've done it on the streets and schools and community places. But because of COVID last year, we were really restricted. 114 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:53,910 So I had to do it in the basement of a local cafe who were very helpful and kind of hosted us for free. 115 00:13:53,910 --> 00:14:00,900 All my work in Kashmir is also free, so to also look for other community support from people. 116 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:06,030 So this is from, I think, the Women's Day or the Mental Health Day that we try to do this. 117 00:14:06,030 --> 00:14:10,350 But this is sometimes the first space or the only space for women, 118 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:16,980 especially who come together and express what is happening to them or their stories of abuse or domestic 119 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:26,370 violence or psychological needs and their aspirations and hope for a peaceful future as well as. 120 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:32,400 As you would have seen, mental health, for instance, is an integral part of the work I do. 121 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:39,420 It's not the only thing, but I think it's an important one and there's still so much stigma attached to mental health. 122 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:44,340 I once told my mom that I think I'm going through anxiety and she was like, Don't tell this to anyone. 123 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:50,770 Nobody will take you seriously. So the stigma is huge and. 124 00:14:50,770 --> 00:14:56,350 A lot of my energy and time on a daily basis back home goes into doing a lot 125 00:14:56,350 --> 00:15:01,930 of awareness campaigns on the stigmatisation of mental health conversations, 126 00:15:01,930 --> 00:15:07,600 bringing people together, creating mandated working groups, sharing resources. 127 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,670 We're talking about basic unawareness. 128 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:16,720 People still don't know the difference between a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a counsellor, a therapist, for instance. 129 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,970 So in these 10, 12 years on the ground, I've also been trying to compile resources, 130 00:15:21,970 --> 00:15:32,180 especially who would offer their services pro bono to young people or students who especially, you know, afford these things. 131 00:15:32,180 --> 00:15:39,340 Mental health conversation in itself is a privilege in places like Kashmir because. 132 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:44,540 There's so much trauma that a lot of people sometimes don't even know that they're going through mental health issues, 133 00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:48,940 so the stigmatisation of it becomes even more important. 134 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:57,250 The last thing that I just want to touch upon very briefly is counteracting the enforced normalisation that comes with conflict, 135 00:15:57,250 --> 00:16:07,510 which leads to dehumanisation. So, for instance, the abnormal is the norm back home, you know, seeing people getting killed on a daily basis, 136 00:16:07,510 --> 00:16:13,600 shuttling between funerals and weddings, maybe sometimes in the same hour. 137 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,970 It's all very normal. Back home, 138 00:16:15,970 --> 00:16:25,660 we sometimes joke about it like kids used to open the newspapers in the morning to see if somebody has gotten killed so that they can have a day off. 139 00:16:25,660 --> 00:16:30,520 So the normalisation of conflict is one of the most, scariest things. 140 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:37,000 And personally, it breaks my heart to see people going numb with the conflict. 141 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,720 And it also creates a lot of dehumanisation. 142 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:53,670 And in that a lot of foundation of purpose of the work I do is to create a bridge where people can stand, pause and ask them, says, is this normal? 143 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:59,730 Because most often they don't even have that privilege or that safe space to ask themselves these questions. 144 00:16:59,730 --> 00:17:01,920 But if they do ask those questions to themselves, 145 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:11,630 it creates a bit more of self-awareness and gives them space for emotional expression and meaning making. 146 00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:21,110 Cooper's space. In Kashmir, peace pieces, sometimes also one of the most controversial words, so for a long time, 147 00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:28,220 people thought I was a counsellor and I let them think that way because I was like, OK, I can do my work on the ground. 148 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:35,980 And it's also futuristic. You will hear people say peace will happen one day. 149 00:17:35,980 --> 00:17:42,820 And it's also localised because it, for instance, in the Kashmiri context, if you also ask, like little kids, 150 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:48,350 I did some peace education modules with little kids in schools, and even for them, 151 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:57,280 peace is the political freedom, and the local word for that is azadi. 152 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:10,480 I don't know who builds peace, but what I've been trying to do on the ground in terms of trying to create windows of peace and calm comes at a cost. 153 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:18,840 It's exhausting, to say the least, with all the nice fancy things we've been looking at and learning about since morning. 154 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:24,910 Well, I've been working on the ground for a good 11 years now and I feel exhausted. 155 00:18:24,910 --> 00:18:27,520 And this is not to say that I hate the work I do. 156 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:36,550 I love the work I do, but it's absolutely heartbreaking on a daily basis because this lack of support, this lack of resources. 157 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:42,400 I know Jonathan and other people talked about those things, but it's not just financial resources. 158 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:48,520 There's a lack of psychological support. And that's why, for instance, they've been coming here and seeing all of you. 159 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:55,240 I feel more energetic than I would have at home. There's increasing scrutiny back home. 160 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:04,930 There's almost zero freedom of expression and no self-care practises, and I have been affected by a lot of this personally. 161 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:12,520 I started having anxiety in 2019 when there was like a huge shift in the political scenario in Kashmir. 162 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,000 And since then, my head has been going down the drain. 163 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:28,600 I would have loved a few more issues, but that also made me realise the need of well-being and psychological approach towards peacebuilding. 164 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:36,430 I think so much of peacebuilding is still socio economic, physical protection kind of based, and it needs to be holistic, not just psychological. 165 00:19:36,430 --> 00:19:41,620 We need to look at digital rights of people, legal rights of people. 166 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:51,760 I do a lot of advocacy on ripest WP as forums, especially for holistic protection of young people who don't just need social economic protection. 167 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:57,490 They need, you know, a psychological protection, they need legal protection and all of that. 168 00:19:57,490 --> 00:20:05,260 Before coming here, I had to read it. Think about what to speak here because I didn't also want to get into trouble back home. 169 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:09,670 Yeah, a lot of people didn't know why I was coming here because I wasn't sure if I'd be 170 00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:15,820 allowed to come here at the airport because that's how things are back home right now. 171 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:22,030 And in that mental health and psychological, holistic approach to peace building is not a nice thing. 172 00:20:22,030 --> 00:20:26,050 I think this is this should be a fundamental thing to peace building. 173 00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:33,250 If not now then when I think pandemic has been a great reminder of a lot of these things and moving forward. 174 00:20:33,250 --> 00:20:40,330 I think this is the only way to go if you're going to invest in peace building and in people on the ground, 175 00:20:40,330 --> 00:20:48,130 you also need to take care of their basic needs, which include psychological needs end to end. 176 00:20:48,130 --> 00:20:55,950 I think there's always a movement happening. It's not like we need to create a new movement, but. 177 00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:59,600 Is there are there enough people listening? 178 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:10,760 I've had enough people listening with empathy, Kashmir still is absent from a lot of international forums, papers, agendas that even I am a part of. 179 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:18,710 And it's often called a disturbed area and it's actually a conflict zone with an ongoing settler ward. 180 00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:24,350 So as a as an international community, when we talk about these things, the movement is there. 181 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:32,900 But why aren't people speaking because they don't have the privileges to always speak and if they are speaking, are we listening enough? 182 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:43,520 Are we listening with empathy, especially in the age of clicks and links when we put up a link online and we feel like our job is tied? 183 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:49,430 If you want to be in peace building apart from empathy and, you know, humility and other things. 184 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:51,560 I think one thing has to be constant. 185 00:21:51,560 --> 00:22:01,040 You have to let your heart break and you have to let it break enough for yourself to feel what these humans are feeling in their context, 186 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:08,450 which is not happening very often today. I think that's the only way to go about building peace. 187 00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:12,898 Piece by piece, I'll stop there. Thank you for listening.