1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:06,230 Well, good afternoon and welcome, everybody, to a delayed beginning of this terms. 2 00:00:06,570 --> 00:00:09,850 It was study seven. A serious uh. 3 00:00:09,870 --> 00:00:14,880 It's an honour and delight to present to you our speaker today, Dr. Muriel Ram, 4 00:00:15,810 --> 00:00:20,400 a political and cultural geographer, currently a postdoctoral researcher at Suez. 5 00:00:21,150 --> 00:00:30,180 Uh, Mariel's main research interest lies in exploring how matter matters in unstable environments, among other issues. 6 00:00:30,180 --> 00:00:36,600 He has written on the militarisation of natural resources in contested territories in the Middle East, 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,139 in the Mediterranean, the infrastructure of faith and religion. 8 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:42,360 In Israel's contested urban environments. 9 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:50,520 The interaction between human lives and medical equipment in the development of clinical aid to African states and the representation 10 00:00:50,520 --> 00:01:00,389 of dead matter in popular culture through the figure of the zombie and the title of his talk today is A Tale of Sand and Snow, 11 00:01:00,390 --> 00:01:05,430 The Berlin, the Bar-Lev Line and the one ski site as material fantasies. 12 00:01:05,730 --> 00:01:11,430 Well, we thank you for coming. Thank you. So I'm happy to talk about zombies, but it will have to wait till the end of this lecture. 13 00:01:12,990 --> 00:01:16,350 Thank you so much for this opportunity. I'm really excited to be here. 14 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,750 I hope you can hear me. Yeah. 15 00:01:19,050 --> 00:01:27,120 So I'm apologising for the I'm apologising to the microphone that I need to stand up because usually it helps me during the presentation. 16 00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:31,620 And basically I will try to talk comfortable, to talk loud. 17 00:01:31,620 --> 00:01:36,599 But I also want to look at this seminar as an opportunity to think outloud in a 18 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,059 way I do to to present to you a project I've been working on for the last year, 19 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:49,770 which is kind of like a convergence point between what I've been working on before during my Ph.D. in a sense, and what I'm trying to do now. 20 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:59,880 So my term basically looks at discusses what I call the fragile, fragile nature of geopolitical fantasies. 21 00:02:00,660 --> 00:02:05,850 I want to talk about it through the relation between space thinking and placemaking 22 00:02:06,690 --> 00:02:12,510 and the spaces being taken and the places being made are these two places, 23 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:19,200 which I'm sure you heard about the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights. 24 00:02:20,670 --> 00:02:25,350 I will just briefly refresh my memory memory about those two spaces. 25 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:29,730 Both of them were occupied by Israel in the 1967 war. 26 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,670 The Golan Heights is an elevated plateau located between Israel, Syria and Jordan, 27 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,120 approximately 1500 square kilometres of territory, 400 metres above sea level. 28 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:50,399 And the Sinai Peninsula, which is three times larger than Israel, belong to, once under Egyptian territorial sovereignty. 29 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:58,830 And Israel occupied it in 1967 and 1967 and relinquished it eventually in 1982, 30 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:07,050 I think was the last the last Israeli soldier, civilian who was there with the month of the myth. 31 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:13,110 So what's what I was interested about? 32 00:03:14,490 --> 00:03:21,240 What was important to me about these two territories was, first of all, 33 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:30,630 their relation to two main bodies of knowledge relating to Israel, Israel, Palestine and the literature about the conflict. 34 00:03:30,990 --> 00:03:34,890 The first body of knowledge, I like to call it occupation studies. 35 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,230 So I usually start when I talk about this body of knowledge, 36 00:03:40,230 --> 00:03:47,020 I use this the Israeli line of the this radical and the controlling officer asked occupation, and the Israeli answer is no, just for. 37 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:56,220 And I was when I started, when we moved into London and we got start to get letters and they always started with their occupiers. 38 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,640 And I told my wife they may be critical, but they are polite. 39 00:03:59,820 --> 00:04:08,129 How do they know that Israelis are living here? Because occupation, conceptually speaking, is a moment both of interruption, 40 00:04:08,130 --> 00:04:14,370 but a moment of interpretation or different meaning of how to understand space, how to understand politics, 41 00:04:14,370 --> 00:04:18,659 of controlling space in this case, not just only as a vocation in space, 42 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:26,880 but a control of space and within the bodies of knowledge dealing with occupation in the context of Israel or Israel Palestine. 43 00:04:27,330 --> 00:04:33,390 It is there. It is either from the perception of the politics by a political perspective. 44 00:04:33,660 --> 00:04:41,360 If you look at the work of Neve Gordon or the work of Yaron Bada or or from the perspective of geopolitical authority, 45 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:44,159 theological tendencies toward this territory, 46 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:50,100 if you look at the work of mankind figure and we get on a lot all from the or from the kind of like what I 47 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:58,410 call a West West Bank centric in the sense that it mainly deals with Israel settlements in the West Bank. 48 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,639 If you look kind of like the very important work being written by people, 49 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:09,750 it gets ongoing been Akiva Eldar and in the title or of the last was from from here. 50 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:18,060 So most of the work of the occupation studies dealing either with these three three 51 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,280 layers three branches by politics in the sense of governance governance of lives. 52 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:30,240 Most of the Palestinians in the West Bank, the theological discussion about the return, the promised land, 53 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,840 the biblical scripture, the tension between Israel, secular identity to its religious one and so forth. 54 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:45,900 And I'm being simplistic here, but kind of like if I tried to draw up a picture and most of them deal with the West Bank with some of the work, 55 00:05:46,050 --> 00:05:49,270 kind of like looking at the Gaza Strip, but not to me. 56 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:53,610 Israel, it's been it's it is lumped together with the West Bank, the Gaza Strip. 57 00:05:53,940 --> 00:05:59,320 But less work is made in regard to the Golan Heights and the Sinai Peninsula, 58 00:05:59,380 --> 00:06:04,200 not just let's leave the Sinai Peninsula for a moment on the sudden return to there. 59 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,230 But in relation to the Golan Heights, it's quite an interesting place. 60 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:18,330 In a sense, it has quite literally a paradoxical nature, kind of like this one of the central areas of the conflict in the Middle East, 61 00:06:18,330 --> 00:06:23,310 which is constantly being imagined or offered or envisioned as kind of like a Europe. 62 00:06:23,490 --> 00:06:28,860 In a sense, as you see this this invitation mostly to Israel is the context. 63 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:32,969 This this is the transition, the Goran the most Europe ever gets. 64 00:06:32,970 --> 00:06:37,700 This winter you are going for a European holiday. They leave the passport at home. 65 00:06:37,710 --> 00:06:44,760 The Golan is filled with wildflower and silence, Israeli silence without any disturbing disturbances. 66 00:06:45,090 --> 00:06:48,930 And it is kind of like bucolic landscape in a sense, 67 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:58,350 which relates to the way in which the alternative was occupied and the danger of the landscape in which you have the common mountain, 68 00:06:58,350 --> 00:07:06,270 which I'm going to talk about a bit, and the whole landscape which is crisscrossed by anti-tank trenches and bunkers. 69 00:07:06,270 --> 00:07:12,270 Some of them are used as coffee places and minefields and so on and so on. 70 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:19,800 And what is interesting, this paradoxical nature, is the very materiality which enables this process or this act of imagination. 71 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:29,010 In this case, the materiality of snow, which imagines to be visionary, discussed the Golan as the most Europe as a place in Israel can get. 72 00:07:30,780 --> 00:07:34,890 Moving on to the Sinai is what is interesting about the sun. 73 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:42,300 This is the silence, the literature of the sounds in the literature about the period in which Israel control the Sinai Peninsula. 74 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:50,220 Rondon was dead a short time. Nevertheless, Israel controlled the territory three times its size, 75 00:07:50,850 --> 00:07:55,410 a place in which two of the most devastating conflict in Israel historically took place. 76 00:07:55,710 --> 00:08:00,810 The war of attrition, which is usually not really brought up in the public discourse, 77 00:08:00,810 --> 00:08:07,710 and the October war, which started in the sun and usually is discussed as a watershed moment in Israeli. 78 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:13,870 Historiography. Nevertheless, when you are talking about the literature dealing with what I call occupation studies. 79 00:08:14,710 --> 00:08:18,160 There's not much about this process, this period, 80 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:26,770 even though I think we can we can think beyond the sign to see how the process of control of thinking 81 00:08:26,770 --> 00:08:33,400 about the space there of of the of the of the occupation of the Sunna can tell us some things about. 82 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:36,730 So as I said, space station and placemaking in a sense, 83 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:43,240 and I just brought up this movie when movie a multiple of 1984, which was actually made inside Israel. 84 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:54,219 This is in the sense of least on film, but in a sense was one of the one of the few few movies or texts in a sense literary, 85 00:08:54,220 --> 00:09:00,460 academic text that dealt with the Sinai as a space and Israel's presence there. 86 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:08,530 And this leads me, in a way, to the to the second body of knowledge of the first was occupation studies. 87 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:13,840 As I said, the second body of knowledge I'm interested in is the the material. 88 00:09:14,110 --> 00:09:19,900 What I what is usually discussed in relation to what is called the social sciences, the material. 89 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,329 So what is the material? The academics like to talk and turn every now and then. 90 00:09:25,330 --> 00:09:31,570 That's kind of like the paradigmatic shift in the when to understand and talk about social science. 91 00:09:31,930 --> 00:09:40,670 So we have the discursive thought in a sense when people start to look more carefully at text and deconstruct them following the time. 92 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:45,730 And you have a special term following the federal and this subtle David Harvey, 93 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:51,249 which we start to think more seriously about how space is not a given but a construct, 94 00:09:51,250 --> 00:09:56,350 something which is being constantly made through political relations, through cultural narratives. 95 00:09:56,680 --> 00:10:01,870 And the material turn kind of like dovetails it in the way in which it urges us to think about the very 96 00:10:02,110 --> 00:10:08,400 objects and items and the things that we use and the one which then themselves emanate all kind of powerful. 97 00:10:08,740 --> 00:10:12,940 There are not only silent objects but have political agency of themselves. 98 00:10:13,270 --> 00:10:20,860 So you can find a lot of so you find a lot of material dealing with things like barbed wire, 99 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:26,570 tear gas, aluminium, concrete, they're rubble, what waste and more. 100 00:10:26,590 --> 00:10:33,970 All of these topics were dealt by different kind of academics trying to see, to understand how these objects has a narrative of their own, 101 00:10:34,270 --> 00:10:37,060 have a presence of their own, have an agency of their own, 102 00:10:37,180 --> 00:10:44,650 and not necessarily simply elements that reflect human action, but elements that shape it in a way. 103 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:58,690 So what I'm interested here is to think about how elements in this get elements of the environment also operate as agents of power, also change. 104 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:05,110 Political relations also impact the way in which we understand politics. 105 00:11:05,470 --> 00:11:14,880 And I want to do is to thinking about two such elements, the snow in the case of the Golan Heights and the sand in the gas of the sun. 106 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:24,490 So if if if you want to think about something which, of course, has much more conspicuous presence in Israel, then we can look at, for example, 107 00:11:24,490 --> 00:11:32,920 the unification schemes which started form the form the moment actually from when Britain started to enter 108 00:11:33,130 --> 00:11:42,460 Israel Palestine a sense and the dual fixation scheme was the way not only to think about the role of, 109 00:11:42,490 --> 00:11:50,950 of the environment and the politics of an environment, but also the elements of the environment which either enables or hinder the possibility of 110 00:11:50,950 --> 00:11:57,930 transformation of political transformation of the territorial units known as mandatory Palestine. 111 00:11:57,940 --> 00:12:08,260 So this is part of the unification scheme which was developed and and was conceived by British colonial officers. 112 00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:14,050 And there's this kind of like reflection about the urgency of dealing with sand, 113 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,200 which might serve as a possible hindrance to the development of the country. 114 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:28,209 So this is like a reflection of one of the officers at the end of the recommendation of whether or not to develop the scheme, 115 00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:35,500 basically dealing with controlling sand. That would end as I began by saying that the thing in the highest degree important 116 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:39,400 that the scheme broadly on these lines should be instituted without delay. 117 00:12:39,820 --> 00:12:46,510 The appropriation of Palestine is increasing immensely fast and we are constantly urged to cram more and more Jews into the country. 118 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:50,110 So I apologise for the officer for his very crude language, 119 00:12:50,530 --> 00:12:56,409 but in a sense we can understand how sand is also a factor being considered into this 120 00:12:56,410 --> 00:13:02,170 calculation of the emerging conflict or the very life conflict between Jews and Arabs, 121 00:13:02,170 --> 00:13:05,470 between the Zionist movement and the Palestinian localities. 122 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:11,660 And not only from. The perspective of kind of like political geography, but also cultural. 123 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:21,620 I'm trying to think about send in the way in, which is kind of like ingratiating itself into the the national narrative of the Zionist movement. 124 00:13:21,650 --> 00:13:28,160 Look at these two songs, for example, Jonathan Alterman, both of them from the same year from 1934. 125 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:31,460 Wake up sound because cement is upon you. 126 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:40,610 This is a song dedicated to the construction of Tel Aviv, which is kind of like the classical Israeli narrative was built emerge out of the sand. 127 00:13:40,850 --> 00:13:47,179 If you look at the work of Matthew Vine, for example, about the history of Tel Aviv and another song, 128 00:13:47,180 --> 00:13:52,730 the road song, as we stretch roads of concrete in the sand. 129 00:13:53,300 --> 00:14:01,200 So sun was was imagined as an adversary, as a as a project to deal with, in a sense. 130 00:14:02,570 --> 00:14:08,690 And we can see here both how sand becomes a political atom. 131 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:16,000 We can see how we stretch into the the the construction of the myth of rejuvenation. 132 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,470 But it also has a fantastical aspect to it, in a sense. 133 00:14:21,770 --> 00:14:28,810 And this brings us to the issue of how to think on the relation between material elements and fantasies, 134 00:14:28,820 --> 00:14:32,030 which is kind of like the main thing I want to think about in this, 135 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:42,140 not in this conversation, in relation to the role of of materiality, such a sentence now in the context of the Golan Heights and the Sinai. 136 00:14:42,170 --> 00:14:46,610 So, for example, when you were thinking about spaces of fantasy, 137 00:14:46,610 --> 00:14:53,840 the fantasy is a word that's being thrown around a lot in relation to the ideological narratives of national identities. 138 00:14:54,170 --> 00:15:00,879 Not only in Israel, but since we are talking about Israel, I brought this passage from Burrell's book, 139 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,330 The Desert in the Promised Land, in which the focus of the book itself is on the desert. 140 00:15:05,780 --> 00:15:09,440 But we can see. Of course, sand plays a crucial role there. 141 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:17,800 But for for through Bovet, she speaks about how the desert itself appeared in the Zionist narratives a metaphoric bubble, 142 00:15:17,810 --> 00:15:22,670 a mythical space or fantasy that conveys no goal or purpose. 143 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:28,850 Now, I think it's important to think about fantasies from kind of like a conceptual vantage point, 144 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:36,950 to think about how should we understand fantasies in a sense, not just kind of like gloss it over as another form of myth. 145 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,890 But fantasies have a role, some somewhat different than myths in a sense. 146 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,350 So there are different ways to conceptualise fantasies if we look kind of like 147 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:53,660 the Marxist tradition that looks at an ideology as a form of fantasy as a way, 148 00:15:53,990 --> 00:16:01,280 and in which kind of like we mask social relations, the first conscious argument back then, 149 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,870 then we see the progress of this discussion in kind of like post Marxist thought, 150 00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:09,889 especially with the Jewish it was supposed to continue in the communal thought, 151 00:16:09,890 --> 00:16:15,650 which looks at fantasies not as a way to move away from social reality, by the way, 152 00:16:15,650 --> 00:16:17,540 to construct social reality, 153 00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:25,700 to construct a notion of reality that kind of like enables to move away from different things we need we want to engage with. 154 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:28,850 So in a sense, fantasies are defence mechanism. 155 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:37,550 This is kind of like the literature of psychoanalysis and lacanian literature deals a lot of fantasies as a form of individual defence mechanism. 156 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:48,680 But what kind of like perhaps differs fantasies from ideologies is the notion of acknowledgement that it is kind of like an imaginative step. 157 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,480 But what you articulate is are not necessarily a way to set up a plan, 158 00:16:53,510 --> 00:16:58,579 which is kind of like when we relate to ideologies, the way to think about how to create the reality. 159 00:16:58,580 --> 00:17:06,800 But fantasy is a way to move away from reality, to acknowledge the fact that we are setting a border between reality and fiction. 160 00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:14,540 The second the second thing is that fantasies sometimes emerge when when ideologies run out of steam, 161 00:17:15,020 --> 00:17:24,020 when you think about making a country great again or taking back control, when ideologies are starting to get to run things, fantasies emerge. 162 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:30,170 And the third thing is that fantasies usually look for a place to articulate themselves. 163 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:35,090 When we are thinking about fantasies, usually, and this is kind of like maybe returning to the spectre of terror. 164 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:39,350 We need to think about places from which fantasies can take shape. 165 00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:55,270 So when we think about this, for example, this is from 1959, ten or more looks, 1951, 59 sorry, a snowstorm, a rare occurrence in Israel takes place. 166 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,559 And then beyond what's right about how the snow began on Tuesday and transformed the 167 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,930 Jerusalem landscape outside a window into a real winter for my childhood books, 168 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:13,620 poems and drawing. All the colours that we associate with the war at home suddenly vanished as snowflakes covered the red roofs, 169 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:17,700 blue skies, black earth and green grass with the blinding whiteness. 170 00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:22,050 We gaze at images of a land abroad of which we never encountered. 171 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,890 Note that developments didn't bother them because it came from Eastern Europe. 172 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:35,910 The cheerful but of course, an Eastern European wasn't done to normalcy was that the West was not exactly the cheerful meaning of bells. 173 00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:39,960 And this European aristocrat covered in fur, travelling in a sled, 174 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:46,080 a blizzard on the king's road to the books walls, the howling in the forest falling to white fan. 175 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:54,360 Jones's scientific expedition slowly moves forward towards the Arctic Eskimo drinking way loud inside rounded ice cabins. 176 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:57,840 Wherever you look, there's snow, snow and snow. 177 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,240 Now, this is doomsday, right? This is kind of like the snow, right? 178 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:05,669 You want to tell him, take it down a notch. But exactly. 179 00:19:05,670 --> 00:19:14,130 See how the elements of the environment participate in this moment of fantastic imagination, which is acknowledged by the author. 180 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:20,910 It is acknowledged in this construction of time, like a place elsewhere outside, in a sense. 181 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:25,799 Literally, when we think about how Israel how Israelis speak about abroad in Hebrew, 182 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:31,290 its hoods, the islands being outside of the country through thought and food, 183 00:19:31,290 --> 00:19:35,820 the materiality of snow, which have a very like sound, have a very fluid materiality, 184 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:41,250 constantly metre remap materialise and they materialise in a sense. 185 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:52,890 So moving to 1967, what happens in 1967 in relation to the production of this fantastic spaces and in this case we can think about. 186 00:19:53,250 --> 00:20:02,670 Look at the Golan Heights and the Southern Peninsula, a still wonderland in a sense when we think about their relation to the West Bank, 187 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:09,540 to the discussion about the theological return in relation to the narrative of return, 188 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,569 the arrival into the Sinai and the Golan was always conceptualised as a secular 189 00:20:15,570 --> 00:20:20,280 opportunity of expansion rather than going back to the place of our fathers, 190 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:31,470 in a sense. So we functioned like this perspective from a children's book called A-Z, which was then and turned into a very popular move in Israel. 191 00:20:32,340 --> 00:20:36,120 This is from 1969. Israel was born thole islands. 192 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:39,540 The full moon is covered in snow for months, years, even. 193 00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:46,200 The moon is the tallest mountain in the Golan Heights, located at the northern tip of the Golan. 194 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:49,410 For many years, Israel gazed upon the human. 195 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:57,750 Only the most daring of the youth ventured out in the dark night beyond enemy lines, then ascended it to hike its path and discovered its wonders. 196 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:06,990 Until now, an enemy stood between us and the on who not only prevented us from enjoying the mountain, but also repeatedly bombed and shelled us. 197 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:13,349 So firstly, preventing us from enjoying the mountain, how dare he preventing us from enjoying the sun? 198 00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:20,040 And by the way, also bombed and shelled us. One day the son army declared war and its forces descended upon us. 199 00:21:20,250 --> 00:21:26,740 Well, when you look at the historiography of the war, if you read the works of a forgotten man, the one that was the ambassador, 200 00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:36,960 Michael Oren, kind of like the definitive history piece of this of the Six-Day War, the place that the role that Syria played in the war. 201 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,059 It was then, but it was relatively, 202 00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:47,580 relatively minor to the truth until the very end of the war in relation to what happened in the Egyptian front and therefore on the Jordanian front, 203 00:21:47,790 --> 00:21:51,830 one that the enemy declared war on its forces descended upon us one time, 204 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,550 actually in the war by territories attacking our southern lands with tanks and cannons. 205 00:21:56,610 --> 00:22:00,570 This is how the war broke out. This is how we return to the human speak. 206 00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:07,410 So, first of all, we see here the the the common cold, conjoining of ideology and myth. 207 00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:11,700 I'm sorry, ideology and fantasy, because you have to have a narrative of return. 208 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:14,670 It's kind of like central. 209 00:22:14,910 --> 00:22:22,980 Even though the Zionist movement never articulated its connection to the Golan Heights within the language of returning to some place, 210 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:26,850 it was always articulated in the sense of you need to control this, 211 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:34,650 but this area for strategic purposes and for the fact that it controls most of the water in the in the in the territory. 212 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,469 Well, maybe environmental reasons, but in the literature, literary sense, always in a narrative of return. 213 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:47,430 But then you see how the fantasy takes over the gaze to the mountain and not just to the mountain, but to the snow on the mountain, in a sense. 214 00:22:47,730 --> 00:22:52,350 And while this book was not written by a kind of like an author, but by a general, 215 00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:58,740 this is a book written by a modified rule, which later became the title of the book was published. 216 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:05,370 He was the commander of the Northern Command of Israel and later also became General Chief of Chief of Staff. 217 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:14,110 So there's the politics here. Do the construction on the fantasy and the construction of the fantasy, 218 00:23:14,110 --> 00:23:21,850 which is acknowledged as a sort of imagination, as a sort of a non place, also entails degree of violence. 219 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,530 For example, in the case of the Sinai Peninsula, people like Alireza MOSCOSO, 220 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:33,940 which is a central figure in the planning in the spatio construction of Israel playing a figure role in the fifties and the sixties, 221 00:23:34,210 --> 00:23:41,800 the way in which Israel was conceived as a space, the production of development towns and the large plans of of Israel. 222 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:49,240 If you if you know the show on plan, for example, and others any of the both both takes part in thinking about what to do with the Sinai. 223 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:55,950 And he says that the greatest adventure the advantage of the area this is from the archive for on the air is in 224 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:02,380 the qualities that from a first glance may see him as disadvantage and that is the region's wild character. 225 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:09,639 Europe has no desert and the colourful rituals of the Bay Area with its adjacent area of the Sinai 226 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:16,420 Mountains has a parrot pie only power of attraction as an exotic landscape for the European tourists. 227 00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:19,299 Now he's mainly talking about the Sinai. 228 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:28,870 But when the conversation started to converge toward the area where a possible Israeli Riviera can be established in order to attract tourists, 229 00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:35,020 this was the location, a place very close to what is Rafah today at the edge of the Gaza Strip. 230 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,490 And the plan also, by the way, included the construction of a nuclear reactor. 231 00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:44,590 This is from the planning map. And the idea was to create there an Israeli Riviera. 232 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:53,350 But the same groups also said that in order to construct this fantasy that we learn from experience in Israel and abroad, 233 00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:56,560 that the image is the first condition for a city success. 234 00:24:56,830 --> 00:25:05,950 He's talking here in relation to the establishment of your meet in the Sinai Peninsula as a place of sand utilising sand as a source of attraction. 235 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,890 The image in the first is the first condition for a city success and especially for a city of this time. 236 00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:16,720 Images image also determines the ability to attract outside funding. 237 00:25:17,020 --> 00:25:22,900 And this image will no doubt be damaged by a direct neighbourhood linked to offer and its refugee camps, 238 00:25:23,170 --> 00:25:28,180 both from the social, psychological aspects and from an environmental visual one. 239 00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:32,889 So the fantasy has to be clear. There should be clear borders to the fantasy. 240 00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:37,719 And we know from the work of Gorenberg and David Kretschmer that in fact, 241 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:44,440 Israel evacuated or displaced about 45000 to 20000 Bedouins living in the area of it 242 00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:51,610 before it established this imagined Riviera in a place located far away from Gaza. 243 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:57,880 So there's a certain element of violence to the production of fantastic space, more so in the homeland. 244 00:25:58,870 --> 00:26:08,290 So the amazement of the snow not was not only limited to the Israeli view, but also from people eager to take place to take part. 245 00:26:08,290 --> 00:26:11,890 So in the reshaping of the Golan Heights, for example, 246 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:21,459 this from a potential donor for America that is talking with the Israeli authorities about the possibility 247 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:26,540 of development in the Golan Heights in relation to the snow as to why I'm so eager to assist your efforts. 248 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720 This is a subject that could fill many volumes. 249 00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:36,490 As recently as let's, Maya gazed upon the slopes of Mount Hermon, both on the Syrian Lebanese side of the border as well as on the Israeli side. 250 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:37,110 Then anything? 251 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:46,210 I think that Israelis would soon be skiing on the slopes, which then looked almost as distant as the moon and considerably more hostile. 252 00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:53,530 Now, snow itself began within the correspondence of the Israeli authorities, the civilian and the military. 253 00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:59,500 One became one of the main element that justified the development of the Golan Heights. 254 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,780 A whole authority called Common Authority had the authority of the mountains 255 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,720 was established in order to develop the northern part of the Golan Heights. 256 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:20,470 And because of the snow was deemed such an important resource, it also it also justified the destruction and erasure of the Syrian village, 257 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,480 which was located where later on an Israeli settlement narrative will be established. 258 00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:30,410 So the Syrian village was called Jubal Dowsett. 259 00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:34,810 And this is from the correspondence about your father. There's no way to clear up Juba in time. 260 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:42,220 So in a sense, this was part of a larger regional movement within the Golan Heights, 261 00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:52,809 where about 270 Syrian settlements and a population of between 90000 to 100000 civilians fled and were never allowed to return, 262 00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:59,920 basically were displaced. So the production of fantasy in there, in the case of the Sinai or in the case of the Hamlet, 263 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:07,110 also entails an act of violence to create this image, this pristine image of materiality. 264 00:28:07,170 --> 00:28:14,399 The elemental in a sense of the snow and the importance of the snow, the importance of creating the fantasy also justified. 265 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:20,400 The use also justifies the usage of violence by the state, in a sense. 266 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:30,579 But in it also the very materiality of the snow also creates all different kind of interesting slippages in a sense, 267 00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:41,080 because the snow itself never behaves like the developers wanted it to, constantly melted, basically, because it's not it's not Switzerland. 268 00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:48,070 And, and the Israeli flocked to the Thurmont in order to participate in this environmental fantasy. 269 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,590 So we see all kinds of correspondence with ski instructors complaining about how Israelis behaved, 270 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,050 even though they being shown kind of like movies from European ski clubs. 271 00:28:59,110 --> 00:29:04,240 What is the right way to act? They still push. They still don't know how to stand in line. 272 00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:09,280 And the snow itself constantly disappears, in a sense. 273 00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:17,420 And so we see how this is kind of like for one of the of the newspapers the mountain is why conform saying bodies are standing together, 274 00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:21,670 creating a cast that renders the come on and resemblance of a Tel Aviv seashore. 275 00:29:22,150 --> 00:29:27,639 But in a sense, in this town, like large social housing project of behaving properly in the snow, 276 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,930 the sand self didn't behave properly because it constantly melted in a sense. 277 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,839 But what is interesting, for example, 278 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:44,020 this is the passage from an author and journalist colleague Shelly left from 1973 when he talks about skiing on the come on. 279 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,750 So we are told this part of the acting out of our national presence in the Golan Heights, 280 00:29:50,170 --> 00:29:53,650 but it is not by rejoicing in snow that the mountain is reading. 281 00:29:54,340 --> 00:30:02,680 It's not with skis that sorry for the people and that ownership is purchased and not by skiing, that the land is conquered. 282 00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:11,050 So this is an interesting gap like reflection in the way in which fantasies and ideologies also can move apart, move away. 283 00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:18,700 And the fact is that you can either have the myth of return, of redeeming the land or the normality of skiing. 284 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:26,390 You can have both. You can articulate a desire for humanity and justification to control. 285 00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:33,040 This is a moment in which fantasy is not the not only mirage outside of the ideological fervour of the art of the film, 286 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:39,460 the ideological imperative to control the territory not only emerge from it, but also clash with it. 287 00:30:39,790 --> 00:30:47,710 But this was in this text is from February 73, the height of the ski season, of course, in October of 73, 288 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:54,550 after the the the October war, that the narrative about the mountain significantly changed. 289 00:30:55,300 --> 00:31:02,740 And this brings us to the second construct and returns us to the Sinai to think about the ultimate, in a sense, 290 00:31:02,740 --> 00:31:11,230 military fantasy constructed only on the tip of the Sinai on the Suez Canal, which is the Bar-Lev line, in a sense. 291 00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:22,810 So immediately following the war, immediately following the 67 war, the fighting itself never, never, never subsided in itself subsided. 292 00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:32,290 But then it continued to take place and Israel decided to control the line over the Suez Canal and start slowly. 293 00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:40,299 There emerged a debate whether or not to remain over the Suez Canal itself or to to withdraw 294 00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:44,530 a little bit and send mobile forces in order to patrol there or to show a presence. 295 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:53,380 And the decision was made by Bar-Lev, the general, the head chiefs of staff, and then in the end, the security minister, 296 00:31:53,560 --> 00:32:00,400 that there should be a constant Israeli presence on the bank of the Suez Canal as a show of force. 297 00:32:00,910 --> 00:32:09,489 Now, what is interesting, first of all, is the thing about the imperialism that relates to this decision of having a presence on the Suez Canal, 298 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:14,500 because the Suez Canal itself is is a is an imperial project, in a sense, 299 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:22,490 imperial idea that to create a human construct in order to enable movement and and fortification, 300 00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:32,620 I would start with slowly started to emerge at the banks of the canal was used in actually building as an another layer on the imperial layer, 301 00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:36,520 which started with the dredging of the canal itself. 302 00:32:37,150 --> 00:32:47,920 Now usually in the in the, in the, in the discussion over the creation of the fortification line, which eventually became the Bar-Lev line, 303 00:32:48,340 --> 00:33:00,340 it is usually discussed in relation to the, as I mentioned, the war of attrition, which started around March 1969 and October of 73. 304 00:33:01,090 --> 00:33:03,549 However, what is important to understand here, 305 00:33:03,550 --> 00:33:12,010 it's not that the fortification line began because the start of the fortification project began because of the arc of the war of attrition. 306 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:21,010 But the war of attrition, which was a response to the fortification itself, the response of the Egyptian forces, seeing the Israelis for the. 307 00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:25,910 Find themselves on the banks of the Sun, Sinai of the Suez Canal. 308 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:32,270 What's important here is that Sam became embroiled within this fortification project. 309 00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:39,799 Most of all, it is enabling in the sense that the direction of the Suez Canal created the elemental 310 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:47,030 features enabling the construction of a fortification over on the West Bank of the canal. 311 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:54,860 And then it was constructed in order to fortify it. And also private contractors were hired in order to construct it, 312 00:33:55,010 --> 00:34:04,520 eventually leading to the construction of a huge and a massive project which cost the state about $200 million. 313 00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:16,820 A line stretching over 160 kilometres, 30 outposts, well fortified, and layers and layers, not only of materials, but of different historical period. 314 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:20,120 So we had sand from the Dresden, a bit of the Suez. 315 00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:30,620 We had the airway tracts being placed on the outpost, being taken apart from the mandatory railway tracks, from allies to contour. 316 00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:37,230 We had blocks moving, moving, being moved from quarries into Sinai, but also some from the west. 317 00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:44,510 Then we had private contractors being very economical, economical with the way in which they were actually hired to do the job. 318 00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:48,739 They used sand basically in order to be very freeing. 319 00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:57,170 That depiction of how much work they really invested, because the fact that there were there were asked to create to use this amount of stones. 320 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,520 So in order to to cut some cost, simply fill it up with sand. 321 00:35:00,530 --> 00:35:10,940 The Gambians did this project, this big fortification, and that's that in which stones and sand was poured into it. 322 00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:18,739 And we seen that in the archives. And the reports following the fortification almost frustrated the military was with the way 323 00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:24,050 in which this private contractors use this national project in order to enrich themselves. 324 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:33,620 The joke, by the way, after the 1973 war, was that the only thing remaining from Bar-Lev line was the villas in Syria of the contractors. 325 00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:39,140 And we will talk a little bit at the end what was really left formed from the Bar-Lev line. 326 00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:46,250 But the bottom line itself, look at this depiction from a visit of a French reporter somewhere in 69. 327 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,910 Most often he's visiting an outpost. 328 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:55,800 He's going into an outpost most so far as the apples are centred in an Alibaba arcade. 329 00:35:56,090 --> 00:36:04,880 It's on one of the dunes supported by metal beams inside this subterranean hold on a many there are many treasures the film screen protocol, 330 00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:09,500 the canteen and the bottles of scotch and period that are hanging from the ceiling. 331 00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:18,410 So it was indeed not just a it was more of a political project than a military one, in a sense. 332 00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:26,930 What is important here is that the Israeli commanders, whether it was Bar-Lev, the general, the head chief of staff, Sharon, 333 00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:33,530 which later became the commander of the Southern Front, 334 00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:41,510 which was which actually hated the Bar-Lev line and tried basically to dilute and destroy it, in a sense. 335 00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:49,940 And other commanders were a threat aware to the fact that the line was all basically an artefact of show and tell. 336 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:59,780 It was basically there to show presence and to tell an alert about potential encroachment of Egyptian forces. 337 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,830 It was never meant to stop an invasion. Even the name itself, 338 00:37:03,830 --> 00:37:09,830 Bar-Lev line a reference to the Maginot Line because it worked so well for the for the French in a sense 339 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:16,670 it was a self acknowledging the generals themselves acknowledge that this is not a final line of defence, 340 00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:26,240 but it also created so the self acknowledgement of an illusion in a way of this construction of a defence mechanism is what we had. 341 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:36,139 This notion of fantasy and the atmosphere itself and surreal atmosphere, especially by the soldiers in the line, was a sense of fantasy. 342 00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:45,160 If you look at the the home was just somehow which is a known Israeli author visiting the line and get 343 00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:52,159 like like of a few months before the war on the road north the sandstorm came on top of a surreal one. 344 00:37:52,160 --> 00:38:00,020 For us. It looks like a happy dance of a million tiny demons playing on dunes sliding down on the slopes, then slowly pick up the pace. 345 00:38:00,410 --> 00:38:09,230 In one thrilling moment, we were overwhelmed under the forces of nature, a giant wall, yellow, red, turning on us as the horror of Judgement Day. 346 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,440 We crossed this whiplash line until we punched through and beyond there a beacon of salvation, 347 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,040 a green sign of the IDF, Israeli Defence Forces, that had one of those weird names. 348 00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:23,000 From a distant fantasy. 349 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:34,850 The very next it was a self acknowledging fantasy in a way, a creation of a political line that kind of like relates to this idea of the barrier. 350 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:42,680 Today is the famous turtle in his right hand wrote about to Europe will be a wall against Asia. 351 00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:46,999 This notion of the wall of construction of the world was further to live. 352 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,830 Today would say we will be a wall against Asia and will make Asia pay for it. 353 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,860 But he was he was right in the 19th century. 354 00:38:55,220 --> 00:39:05,090 And both the bottom line and the term on the art was on the human, in a sense, which was constructed on top of the ski side. 355 00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:11,000 We're both artefacts in the sense of showing them of projecting and not just reporting. 356 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:21,290 They also had political and security roles, but also how the cultural and cultural all of constructing this fantasy of interesting ability in a sense. 357 00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:27,350 And again, like the case of the snow, which constantly slip and create slippage, 358 00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:33,170 is in the idea of of of of struck of securing the fantasy of a seaside. 359 00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:38,780 Some itself also was kind of like a matter with its own political impotence. 360 00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:49,310 Eventually, when the invasion started in 1973, it was the fact that the home, the whole fortification line which was built on sand, 361 00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:55,070 enabled these Egyptian engineers to erode the sand by using water pumps from the canal. 362 00:39:55,070 --> 00:40:02,480 In a sense that what that was what enabled the actual invasion and the breach of of the wall, in a sense, 363 00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:11,750 and following the war, basically immediately after the war, Israel never returned to the Bar-Lev line. 364 00:40:12,110 --> 00:40:21,380 If the Suez Canal remained in Egyptian hands, and slowly but surely Israel vacated the Sinai piece by piece until 1982. 365 00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:31,370 In 1976, when when reporters reported about the outpost, one of the outpost of the of the Bar-Lev line, 366 00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:40,220 actually doing the stone below all of the outpost of the line of over the line were taken by the Egyptian forces in two days, 367 00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:51,410 except one the Budapest outpost, the famous outpost that was right on top at the top of the northern part point of the of the line. 368 00:40:52,100 --> 00:41:01,610 So the Budapest outpost has been the span. The walk transferred on the ground, bunkers disbanded and all is left is a pile of sand. 369 00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:08,090 And in a sense it is quite amazing. The story of the Bar-Lev line, not just its construction, 370 00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:15,680 not just the way in which it was envisioned at the time as this impregnable line that cannot be breached, 371 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:23,930 even though the generals and their political higher echelons knowledge that the fact this could be breached, by the way, in which it vanished, 372 00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:33,140 in a sense disappeared completely from the discussion, from the public conversation, in a sense, following the October war. 373 00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:45,659 And actually the only museums commemorating the line are Egyptian museums over in the US in the in the Sinai Peninsula celebrating the the what. 374 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:52,640 Well Egypt or what the Israeli and Egyptian public memory is regarded as a victory, the ability to cross over. 375 00:41:53,210 --> 00:42:00,440 But in the Israeli public discussion, the bottom line itself almost completely maybe not disappeared, 376 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:08,900 but kind of like diminished in its in its presence or the fantasies tend to move on. 377 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,830 And we see how, for example, 378 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:19,340 the same rationality leading to the construction of the Berlin Wall then moved on to the construction of the security barrier. 379 00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:28,400 And in southern Lebanon, since with the same very much discourse of creating a distant line of fortifications that will serve as the ultimate defence, 380 00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:36,679 when this line crumbled, in a sense, it moved on to the separation barrier in the West Bank and currently we see the same kind of 381 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:43,880 like discourse and narrative in relation to Iron Dome and the technology keeps getting better. 382 00:42:44,090 --> 00:42:51,740 Actually, the war of attrition in itself, one of the of the of the truism in Israeli public discourse is that the war of attrition, 383 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:59,510 in which the Bar-Lev line was the main story in the sense that the war of attrition evaporated from the Israeli public memory. 384 00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:07,760 It might be so, but in in in the from the perspective of military muscle memory, in the sense it remains very present, 385 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,839 because this is the war that enabled the notion of we can have a static warfare and we should create 386 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,660 a line of defence that constantly can be eroded and maintained in the price of like human life. 387 00:43:21,110 --> 00:43:24,950 We can have a new technology of static warfare in a sense. 388 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,680 This is the war in the war of attrition, which we see for the first time Israel activating drones in a sense. 389 00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:35,690 And this is the war in a sense that creates this notion of the fortification. 390 00:43:36,110 --> 00:43:43,219 And thinking about this fortification as a form of fantasy may enable us to understand how these ideas move 391 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:51,650 around and are also structured and fractured and in a sense on the very elemental realities which sustain them. 392 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,220 So I will end up here. Thank you very much.