1 00:00:01,740 --> 00:00:09,520 OK, well, good morning. And let me start this lecture on painting in China in the introduction to the history of art. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:17,820 See you. So the introduction looks at a whole kind of broad range of contexts. 3 00:00:17,820 --> 00:00:21,480 And obviously, this is a very large context. 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:33,750 In a way, it's completely insane to attempt to talk about, you know, a several thousand year tradition in 50 minutes. 5 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:41,910 So obviously, I'm not here to kind of cover the whole field. What I want to do is to sort of situate this material for you. 6 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:52,230 And talk a little bit about kind of how art history has dealt or might deal with this very large, but this very, very large and this very large topic. 7 00:00:52,230 --> 00:00:57,840 I'm going to throw a lot of images on the screen kind of very rapidly. 8 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:04,050 Obviously, the thing goes up on loan afterwards. But in a way, it's not not the names and dates and so on that are important. 9 00:01:04,050 --> 00:01:08,580 I want to try and get hold of a few big ideas. 10 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:17,520 And I want to start with a sort of what's a deliberately provocative idea, which is that this painting, 11 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:27,210 I would argue, is the right shape for art history, whereas this painting is the wrong shape for art history. 12 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:33,810 Now, what I mean by that is that the mechanisms that art history has, 13 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:45,900 the technical mechanisms that we have for showing and looking at the images work quite well with things that are specific shape, 14 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:55,470 like a European painting from the 17th century. And they don't work so well with some of the things that are of this shape. 15 00:01:55,470 --> 00:02:00,540 So here is here's the whole of this painting. Here's a detail from it. 16 00:02:00,540 --> 00:02:05,280 Junction's beggars and street characters. 16TH century Chinese painting. 17 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:14,010 But if if I show you the whole of it, you know, it becomes a tiny little strip within the within the slide. 18 00:02:14,010 --> 00:02:18,360 And it's very, very hard. It's very hard to look at. 19 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,500 What you might think and I talked about this in the very first lecture in this 20 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:28,940 series about the relationship between the tools that we've got and my tools. 21 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:34,950 I mean, both kind of physical tools like projectors in classrooms. 22 00:02:34,950 --> 00:02:37,900 The relationship between the tools that we've got, 23 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:44,460 the physical and also intellectual tools and the kinds of material that we're trying to grapple with. 24 00:02:44,460 --> 00:02:52,270 I know I said to one of the big questions is RSX tools, which were designed for this maybe. 25 00:02:52,270 --> 00:02:59,580 Are they going to work for this or do we need a completely different a completely different set of tools? 26 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:02,820 Now, of course, there are other tools that have developed. 27 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:08,610 I've talked in the first lecture about slides and the history of slides and where slides come from. 28 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:12,570 One of our slides are not the only the only tools we've got. 29 00:03:12,570 --> 00:03:19,500 And I've I've just put a link to this University of Chicago Web site, 30 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:30,080 which is an attempt to use the modern technology of digital images to deal with particular formats of Chinese painting. 31 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,530 And because obviously one of the things that you can do on a screen is squalled. 32 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:38,700 These things are called schools. Schooling is something that we all do all the time. 33 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:42,060 We kind of scroll up and down and we scroll from side to side. 34 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:50,040 So maybe there are new technologies for the technology of the computer that enables us to look at that. 35 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:59,940 So this is an attempt to kind of. Sure. Chinese paintings in a different way and in particular to capture some of the temporality. 36 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:04,350 That is the fact that, you know, things might be looked at over a period of time. 37 00:04:04,350 --> 00:04:12,030 Another another example. But I would recommend to you, if you're interested, on the on the Web. 38 00:04:12,030 --> 00:04:17,220 James Cahill now retired from the University of Berkeley, where he was for many years. 39 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:26,430 Very distinguished professor pastorate. Chinese art has kind of put down on well, not done put down on paper, but put down on video, 40 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:31,890 a series of eleven hour long lectures about the early history of Chinese painting. 41 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:35,780 That seems to have changed, beating only about as far as thirteen hundred. 42 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:42,630 Right. Leaving out the last kind of seven, eight hundred years is what I'm mostly gonna go to talk about. 43 00:04:42,630 --> 00:04:49,320 And you know, I'm not suggesting that anybody should sit down and watch eleven hours of Jim Cahill lecturing on video, 44 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,260 although if you want to know this stuff, this stuff is there, 45 00:04:52,260 --> 00:04:58,200 but it might be worth having just having a look at them to see the ways in which because they they're actually apart from anything else. 46 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:05,490 A very good you. Of the technology of kind of moving cameras and zooming in and out of details and so on. 47 00:05:05,490 --> 00:05:11,890 In a way which is much harder for me to do here in the kind of in the formats that I thought. 48 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:20,280 And if I had time, I would show you some bits of the of the actual use of bits of this of this site and untrue. 49 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:24,840 Some bits of Cahill. But in order to say what I want to say within an hour, I'm not going to do that. 50 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:32,880 But have a look at this. If if you're interested. So this question of kind of right shape, wrong shape is just a frame. 51 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:39,030 The issue of, you know, what are the tools that we're using for physical and intellectual? 52 00:05:39,030 --> 00:05:43,430 Now, if I'm going to talk about painting, I'm going. 53 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:50,790 I'm talking about, you know, a category which is perfectly meaningful within Chinese culture itself. 54 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:59,100 And I'm going to talk later in this lecture about the distinction between image concepts and Eatock concepts, 55 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:02,340 concepts within in concepts without culture. 56 00:06:02,340 --> 00:06:10,980 But let me start by saying that, you know, painting and the Chinese word is quar as a carrot for the Chinese word for, you know, 57 00:06:10,980 --> 00:06:22,590 this is this is a a category idea, a discourse, a topic of study kind of within Chinese culture and has been so for a very long time now. 58 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:31,200 It's often linked with other concepts and in particular in China in the past or even in Chinese language 59 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:40,350 in the present where you will often see together are two concepts put together in the term Shu Juat, 60 00:06:40,350 --> 00:06:44,190 which usually get translated in English, is painting and calligraphy painting. 61 00:06:44,190 --> 00:06:49,420 The painting was I'm going to talk about and calligraphy being the art of writing with 62 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:57,090 the brush and that kind of aesthetic social and cultural discourses around writing. 63 00:06:57,090 --> 00:07:03,030 One of the interesting things to note is I think though is a little this is usually translated in English, almost always translated. 64 00:07:03,030 --> 00:07:06,570 English is painting is lengthy. The Chinese puts it the other way around. 65 00:07:06,570 --> 00:07:11,850 The Chinese always as well. Which means calligraphy and painting. 66 00:07:11,850 --> 00:07:24,270 And that represents an idea that calligraphy is, if you like, the senior cultural practise earlier and more important and indeed more highly valued. 67 00:07:24,270 --> 00:07:26,580 Well, I'm talking about painting today. 68 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:36,620 It's worth bearing in mind that calligraphy, the art of writing is, you know, is seen as the more prestigious and the more important. 69 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:44,480 It's always expressed in this in this order. And you get that in parts of other compounds, too. 70 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,320 What I'm going to talk later on in this lecture about a fine distinction made at 71 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:55,500 various points in China between the category of pictures and the category of painting. 72 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:59,700 Those are not exactly seen as the same thing. 73 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:07,170 Now, in order to get some kind of a handle on it, I'm not going to talk about everything. 74 00:08:07,170 --> 00:08:16,950 I'm not going to talk about all periods. I'm going to focus in on this period, the period of China's May dynasty from thirteen. 75 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:24,300 Sixty. Sixteen. Forty four. That is if you think about European history or English history. 76 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:30,780 We're dealing with a chunk of time from the Black Death to the English Civil War. 77 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:37,740 So what we're dealing with, that kind of what's often in Europe, what European historians would call part of the early modern period. 78 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:46,190 And it's one of the kind of interesting distinctions about, you know, our terms like that applicable to China at all. 79 00:08:46,190 --> 00:08:49,710 I'll give you at the end some kind of further reading about this period. 80 00:08:49,710 --> 00:08:58,950 But I just wanted to draw your attention to, you know, the kind of information that's on various Web sites. 81 00:08:58,950 --> 00:09:07,080 So, for example, the Oxford Art Online Web site will have, you know, quite good material on, you know, I mean, anything. 82 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:14,490 You're going to get a big entry. And you can also look up the kind of names of individual artists on a Web site. 83 00:09:14,490 --> 00:09:22,200 I'm very fond of is the Heilbrunn timeline of our history, which is valuable for all kinds of things, not just Chinese things. 84 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,810 On the Web site of the Metropolitan Museum of New York. 85 00:09:26,810 --> 00:09:37,890 And again, they have some some nice stuff there. So what I want to do is start by talking about the physicality of of Ming painting. 86 00:09:37,890 --> 00:09:43,780 I want to talk and I want to do that by talking up first about the different formats in which paintings exist. 87 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:50,910 What are paintings in this period as material and physical objects? 88 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:59,690 And I'm going to talk about them in the order that the formats of Chinese paintings survive. 89 00:09:59,690 --> 00:10:04,520 Fraud. So these are all formats that existed in the main. 90 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:14,420 But I'm going to start with kind of what what would you think of as possibly earlier formats, a move of one of these kind of coexisted in the main. 91 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:22,640 The first one to think about is wall painting, the earliest paintings that survived from China in any large quantity. 92 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:29,040 Now are wall paintings. They're almost all modified. 93 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:38,980 They are all the ones that survive a religious. They are in the context of principally in the context of Buddhist sites. 94 00:10:38,980 --> 00:10:44,270 And so I'm sure I'm showing a painting that comes from the fifth century. It's on a wall painting. 95 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:51,320 It's outside of the wall. The more gold caves in China, in the west of China. 96 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:58,910 It's probably changed colour over the years. But we have kind of large quantities of of of this religious wall painting. 97 00:10:58,910 --> 00:11:08,450 We know from textual sources that they used to be large quantities of secular wall painting as well. 98 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:12,360 But that doesn't get that doesn't survive. 99 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,640 You know, palaces, homes of the rich were decorated. 100 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,080 The walls were decorated as well. So this is painting on plaster the surface. 101 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,640 The materials support for this painting is painting and plaster. 102 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,540 We've got large quantities of these from an early period from much earlier than the Ming. 103 00:11:29,540 --> 00:11:32,910 But it's but it's both basically all religious. 104 00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:40,610 Now, if we come into the Ming period itself, we have quite a large quantity of wall paintings surviving. 105 00:11:40,610 --> 00:11:50,600 And I'm just showing you an example of wall painting that was painted in the early 16th century on a religious site, 106 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:57,210 which is a much earlier religious site. This building is 10th, 11th century. 107 00:11:57,210 --> 00:11:58,460 And you've got this wall painting. 108 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:07,940 You can see this is roll painting that is kind of in this sort of entranceway or portico to this very large temple building. 109 00:12:07,940 --> 00:12:15,020 And so it's sort of half. It's not completely exposed to the elements, but it's sort of largely exposed to the elements. 110 00:12:15,020 --> 00:12:19,040 And as such, it seems kind of appalling condition and you can hardly see it. 111 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:19,460 Which, of course, 112 00:12:19,460 --> 00:12:28,880 is one of the problems about about wall painting and one of the reasons that it doesn't survive in very large quantities and consequently, 113 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,620 it kind of doesn't get written about very much. 114 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:38,570 You know, if you get a book called, you know, Ming Painting, it won't mention the wall painting at all. 115 00:12:38,570 --> 00:12:41,420 That's partly because not so much survives, 116 00:12:41,420 --> 00:12:52,100 all because of what survives is in very poor condition and also partly because what there is is entirely religious painting. 117 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:57,140 And this is often viewed as kind of less interesting, less valuable, 118 00:12:57,140 --> 00:13:03,690 less important than other kinds of painting that I'm going to talk about in a moment that that seemed more kind of important. 119 00:13:03,690 --> 00:13:10,060 So so there's both kind of practical factors and intellectual factors around why, you know. 120 00:13:10,060 --> 00:13:16,970 So if somebody said, I'd like to write an essay on Ming Wall painting, I would say can't be done. 121 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:21,170 It can't be done because there's not enough writing. There's enough written about it. 122 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:27,860 There's quite a lot of material, but it's hardly been written about. It's hardly ever been pulled together systematically. 123 00:13:27,860 --> 00:13:36,010 But we have to just keep it in mind as a sort of as a sort of background. So that's one former very early format, 124 00:13:36,010 --> 00:13:42,460 probably existed for a very long time before them in another format of painting that 125 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:50,560 exists in the main is the format that we call the hand screw or the horizontal score. 126 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:58,450 No, you know, in Chinese, there are different words for different kinds of paintings or as a specific Chinese word for this, 127 00:13:58,450 --> 00:14:02,660 but it's usually called a hand scrawl in English. 128 00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:07,920 And here I'll show you an example of a hand scroll painting by I mean, the Nisei artist. 129 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:13,180 So this is a 16th century painting called Old Cypress. And as you can see, it's a roll of material. 130 00:14:13,180 --> 00:14:18,010 This one's painted on paper. There's a roll of material. 131 00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:22,260 And here it's been unveiled. And I'm very proud of this photograph. 132 00:14:22,260 --> 00:14:27,460 I got the Kansas City Universal Museum in Kansas City to make this photograph because I 133 00:14:27,460 --> 00:14:32,110 wanted a photograph or a book that showed that this thing is actually a physical object. 134 00:14:32,110 --> 00:14:37,870 Usually when they get reproduced in books, only with all we see is that they should be free. 135 00:14:37,870 --> 00:14:41,230 Now, Chinese paintings don't have frames in the European sense. 136 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:46,840 And you thought about freedom as part of as part of our course. 137 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,380 But, you know, this has a framing to that as it has. 138 00:14:50,380 --> 00:14:56,050 It has a physicality. And, of course, it has the possibility of extension there. 139 00:14:56,050 --> 00:15:02,770 Now, this is quite a small hand school in the sense that the pictorial surface of it, 140 00:15:02,770 --> 00:15:06,900 you know, when it's unrolled, it's about that size and it can be looked at as well. 141 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:10,900 But once hand, schools don't tend to be much bigger than that. 142 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:14,500 And this picture, you know, gives you some sense of what they like, 143 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:22,360 sort of physically the actual origins of the hand scroll are probably in very early forms of Chinese text. 144 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,680 The very earliest forms of Chinese text before paper had been invented. 145 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:36,250 The Chinese that paper they didn't invented until about, you know, time of the Roman Empire, the turn of the Christian era. 146 00:15:36,250 --> 00:15:43,750 And before that, the four forms of writing were on bamboo strips, which were then kind of banded together to make a rule. 147 00:15:43,750 --> 00:15:46,870 So you unrolled it and you've got you've got the whole text. 148 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:55,870 And this is all of Chinese are at the University of Chicago kind of demonstrating how you're looking at a hand scroll. 149 00:15:55,870 --> 00:16:05,260 And here's me with a bunch of students looking at one of the hand scrolls in the in the collection of the Boldly and Bodleian Library. 150 00:16:05,260 --> 00:16:09,640 Now, you can see from the whole human picture that, you know, especially if you look here, 151 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:17,260 you know, there's a lot more of it than he's actually looking at. If you go to the Victorian Albert Museum, Chinese painting exhibition, 152 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:25,190 which I hope you all will cause fabulous exhibitions once in a lifetime chance to see things of this quality altogether in Britain. 153 00:16:25,190 --> 00:16:30,270 The you know, you might see a hand scroll kind of completely unrolled, you know, 154 00:16:30,270 --> 00:16:35,830 and they can be vast lengths in or they can be very, very, very, very long. 155 00:16:35,830 --> 00:16:41,980 But that's not the way they were looked at in China. They were never completely unrolled. 156 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:46,630 So what happens is you you unroll a bit and you look at that and then you're all 157 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:50,350 up and then you unroll another bit and you look at that and then your role. Nobody knew that. 158 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:55,480 So the thing is, never a pictorial field is looked up completely apart from anything else. 159 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,760 You couldn't look at them completely in order to see the whole thing. You know, 160 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,010 you'd have to stand very well back and you'll see in the museum what people 161 00:17:03,010 --> 00:17:08,430 have to do is kind of walk along the case and look at it sort of day by day. 162 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:12,340 So. So he's you know, he's got these hands. 163 00:17:12,340 --> 00:17:13,660 He's kind of looking at it. 164 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:23,350 So when I think about the kinds of audiences for pictures like this now, obviously there's a group of people you're looking at one of these things. 165 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:26,740 But, you know, Weltman roars He I actually see it. 166 00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:30,640 You know, she probably can't see it now. Wow. Yeah. 167 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,870 This is really what this is designed for. This is quite an intimate format. 168 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:42,650 Quite a small number of people are going to look at this at at any one at any one time. 169 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:49,420 Doesn't mean that more than one person couldn't. But it's it really, you know, the mechanics of the thing. 170 00:17:49,420 --> 00:17:53,950 And you either have to hold it in your hands or you have to do what I've done here, 171 00:17:53,950 --> 00:17:58,090 which is, you know, the thing is unrolled and then a weight is put on it. 172 00:17:58,090 --> 00:18:04,620 Because, of course, if you want, roll it and let it go. It just goes to you know, it rolls it's it rolls itself up again. 173 00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:09,430 And schools can be painted either on paper or on cell. 174 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:15,760 Those are the two main surfaces. So it's probably the older an earlier surface. 175 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,870 So the reading of silkworms, because back in China, way, way, way back, you know, 176 00:18:19,870 --> 00:18:32,420 before into the into the BCE millennia was papers invented around about one hundred, know around about 100 A.D. And they both have. 177 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:42,660 No specific material, properties, papers, much more absorbent, no paper will absorb colour, water, colour, more than ink. 178 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:45,720 More than more than. Well, those are the two main surfaces. 179 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:58,110 But in both cases, the actual painted surface is then backed onto paper so that a hard scrawl is out is physically rather complicated object. 180 00:18:58,110 --> 00:19:05,430 It's not just, you know, a roll of paper. That's a piece of a long piece of paper that's been painted on and then rolled up. 181 00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:10,050 It's a piece of paper or in fact, several pieces of paper because of big or sell, 182 00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:19,250 because a big one may have several sections which are then pasted down on a sort of thicker paper which provides the kind of support for it. 183 00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:25,140 And when the thing's rolled up, you know, it may well have wrappers and outsides and so on. 184 00:19:25,140 --> 00:19:30,960 So it hasn't you know, it's quite a complex kind of physical object. 185 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:40,260 So that's the that's the Hans school. So we've gone wall painting Hans Gold and I want to go overhanging school. 186 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:45,390 The hanging straw is slightly later. 187 00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:52,200 Format in Chinese history probably came into being in the fifth sixth centuries A.D. and they 188 00:19:52,200 --> 00:20:00,420 may well have their origins in kind of religious banners that were carried in processions. 189 00:20:00,420 --> 00:20:10,800 And the hanging scroll or a vertical scroll, as it's sometimes called view is always, you know, more what higher than it is. 190 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:17,400 What I wanted the effects of this is that it fits more comfortably onto a screen. 191 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,680 This is the whole picture. This is is a detail of Hansel. 192 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:28,680 And this is a home school which does fit completely onto the screen or indeed onto the page of the book. 193 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,550 And I think it's arguable that the examples of people choosing books, 194 00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:39,390 the history for writing about the history of Chinese painting tend to go more towards schools than hand 195 00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:46,950 stores for the simple mechanical reason that they are more easily fixable onto the onto the page. 196 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:51,320 Now, how did people look at the hanging store as its name suggests? 197 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,350 It hangs and it can be hung on a wall. 198 00:20:55,350 --> 00:21:00,030 But more importantly, or in fact, in the main period, 199 00:21:00,030 --> 00:21:05,190 most of the evidence we have for people looking at them in the in the extent of people kind 200 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:10,590 of that there are lots of paintings to show people looking at paintings like this one. 201 00:21:10,590 --> 00:21:14,580 And you can see here that they're not looking at this painting hanging on a wall. 202 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:23,910 What's happening is a servant here has a bamboo stick with a small kind of metal fork in it and they're holding the painting up. 203 00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:27,900 And you'll notice that the man who's looking at it and talking about it, 204 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:37,790 I think this gesture suggests that he's making a point about the man in way about having some kind of interaction, some kind of conversation about it. 205 00:21:37,790 --> 00:21:43,290 You know, that is that he isn't just looking. It's actually holding the thing as well. 206 00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:48,690 He's actually handling it. So there's an engagement with the thing which is not so different. 207 00:21:48,690 --> 00:21:53,950 You know, the hand scroll is the one that you've kind of got to hold. You don't have to hold a hanging scroll. 208 00:21:53,950 --> 00:22:00,800 But the evidence from the period is that people did handle them. 209 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:06,170 And and that may well have a lot to do with, you know, if you think about the composition of the thing. 210 00:22:06,170 --> 00:22:09,870 Right. So let's let's look at this. If I if I you know, if I said, 211 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:19,790 where's the middle of the picture and you thought about if you think about drawing a diagonal between those two points, you end up there. 212 00:22:19,790 --> 00:22:23,910 Right. And it wasn't much happening that, you know, this doesn't seem to be the thing. 213 00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:30,510 But if you imagine that instead of that, your you're holding the thing, pulling it kind of up close to you, 214 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:39,870 then this area where there's a whole lot more visual interest and a whole lot more going on is is what this what you're kind of engaging with. 215 00:22:39,870 --> 00:22:49,680 So we might think they are about the relationship between the kinds of compositions the artists favoured and the and the contexts of viewing, 216 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,810 the contexts of looking in the. So that's the. 217 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:59,860 So that's, you know, more painting hand scroll hanging score. 218 00:22:59,860 --> 00:23:13,500 Now another format for painting. I mean, the main theory, but one that doesn't survive as such is the painted screen or the screen panel. 219 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:19,980 We've got some Safire. So a number of important pre made painting. 220 00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:26,560 So this is a this is a 10th or 11th century painting may have originally existed as screen pandan. 221 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,890 So what do I mean by screen panels? Well, let's look at this painting. Here's a light. 222 00:23:31,890 --> 00:23:37,800 15TH century painting of an imperial audience. So you've got an empire is long gone. 223 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,340 And you've got officials kind of standing around talking. 224 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:50,090 And you'll see that he's seated in front of this large wooden frame and that set into this large wooden frame. 225 00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:57,120 There's a landscape painting. See these mountains here? So there's a large painting behind it. 226 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,040 And this is probably painted on sale on paper, but in one of these wooden frames. 227 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:10,110 Now, obviously, this is a much more permanent form of display. 228 00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:17,400 The hand scroll and the hanging scroll share the characteristic that when you're not looking at them, they're ruled out. 229 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:25,920 And actually, they spend most of their lives rolled up because they are all watercolours, you know, and they fade and they're easily damaged. 230 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,410 So there's no tradition of kind of just banging on the wall and going away. 231 00:24:31,410 --> 00:24:40,970 All right. The thing even things that are put on the wall are changed and looked at according to seasons and another kind of temporal constraint. 232 00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:50,460 But these screen panels, obviously, these things are huge and heavy and it's kind of I can't show you an example or rather what I could show you, 233 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:57,390 but I haven't got a slide on this one of these wooden frames because some of these wooden frames survived from the 16th century. 234 00:24:57,390 --> 00:25:00,210 And museums, we've got some examples of that. 235 00:25:00,210 --> 00:25:12,990 And then we've got very big surviving hand hanging schools, which probably began their life as screen panels, but they don't survive in that format. 236 00:25:12,990 --> 00:25:20,640 So there's no saying that nowhere in the wall. Is there surviving, being screened with its main painting. 237 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:26,730 And if what you've got is the woodwork survives and some paintings survive and this is an example. 238 00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:32,850 It's a very, very big painting. It's now mounted as a hanging school. 239 00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:37,470 It's probably it's about one types of probably slightly larger than it's appearing on the screen here. 240 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:48,610 It's physically very large. But this was probably once one of those wooden wooden panels. 241 00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:52,230 So we can't wake up to where we're kind of intuitive. 242 00:25:52,230 --> 00:26:03,270 So we've got wall paintings and scrolls, hanging stalls, screen panels, and then a format that is conventionally called in in English, 243 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:12,210 the Alba Leaf, which is a small painting which was viewed kind of mantid in a book. 244 00:26:12,210 --> 00:26:17,510 Now, here's a scene of many gentlemen looking at painting and they're looking at now. 245 00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:23,670 And these are probably 90 paintings. These are probably fine paintings. 246 00:26:23,670 --> 00:26:29,170 But again, they're kind of you know, they're looking at it sort of they're looking at it together. 247 00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:32,370 This is a small thing. Yeah. 248 00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:36,390 This is an album leaf version by the artist Sharon Jewel. 249 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:43,420 His drawings from life. So just like some of the things I've been showing you are very much bigger in reality than they appear on the screen. 250 00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:47,970 This is very much smaller reality. This is about. This is about this size. 251 00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:55,800 In reality, it's got a you know, it's a very, very small. It's it's a very small thing. 252 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,870 Here's another one. This cat, you know, comes from the same album, Drones for Light. 253 00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:05,100 So this is an ERPs. So that's my screen. That's an album leaf. 254 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:12,540 This is it. Now, this is itself an album leaf. So this picture of a looking album leaf is itself an album leaf. 255 00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:16,440 It's only that size. That's an album leaf. That's an album leaf. 256 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,670 That's an album. 257 00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:28,050 So one of the things that that I think that this comparison that and that me is that you can't say certain styles, school with certain formats. 258 00:27:28,050 --> 00:27:31,620 That just doesn't work because, you know, here's it. 259 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:39,540 Here's here's a style that is very, you know, very detailed, very meticulous, very highly coloured. 260 00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:46,020 And it's more or less the same date as this one, which obviously is much more sketchy. 261 00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:52,050 It's a monochrome ink. It doesn't have any. It doesn't have any of that kind of detail. 262 00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:55,980 And I have actually going to slide. You know, there's the. There's the two kind of things together. 263 00:27:55,980 --> 00:28:06,750 So same format, very different style. So what you can't say is certain styles are always, you know, go with certain formats. 264 00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:14,400 There are a range of styles in the main period and almost all of the formats can be used for almost all of the stars. 265 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:23,010 The number of variables is quite complicated. And then there's one last format of painting that I want to show you. 266 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:29,910 And that's the only format of painting that I'm talking about that was new in the main period. 267 00:28:29,910 --> 00:28:39,020 So all of these formats exist. In the main period, but they had been developed at different periods in the past. 268 00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:47,990 But but all developed. The only real novelty is the fine painting in the sense of the folding van painting. 269 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:51,080 Now, obviously, this is just the painted surface. 270 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:59,240 Again, obviously, this blowed up huge compared to is it has the steps that make it into a folding van. 271 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,520 Men and women both carried fans in China. 272 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,780 There are kind of a central part of kind of being being dressed. 273 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:16,030 And we might want to think about kind of the viewers for that form, because it's a very small scale. 274 00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:20,570 It's almost an intimate format. You know, it's something that you carry with you. 275 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:25,080 Again, it's something that is not permanently visible because of. 276 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,470 Know are opened and closed. So it's not there all the time. 277 00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:37,970 And so we might want to think about, you know, the kinds of audience for that. Obviously, you know, if you let people or w you will see it, 278 00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:45,650 but it's different from the kinds of concentrated looking where you've got a party of gentlemen looking at things. 279 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:51,650 I just want to talk a little bit more about kind of looking at things because here's a here's a set of paintings, again, 280 00:29:51,650 --> 00:30:03,320 from about fifteen hundred, which show former activities that are particularly associated in the Ming period with with the gentleman. 281 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:11,600 These are these are the kind of leisure pursuits that are kind of a gentleman of leisure and elegance and style is supposed to be into. 282 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:21,110 These are the four things he's supposed to be into and they are called in Chinese kanji for one, which means Zitter chess, calligraphy, painting. 283 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:24,950 So the first one is playing the zither. 284 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:33,290 This is a kind of musical instrument called The Chin. That gentleman in particular played Chee. 285 00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:37,470 The Chinese is waitI, we often call it in English by the Japanese name. 286 00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:42,740 Gord's is a game of strategy play with lots of black and white characters. 287 00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:49,190 And here are a group of gentlemen play playing the game and then calligraphy. 288 00:30:49,190 --> 00:31:04,370 And his gentleman kind of goes blank sheet of paper was it's a brush and he's kind of he's writing on it and then painting. 289 00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:12,170 Now there's something distinctive about painting here, isn't that if we look at zither, chess and calligraphy, 290 00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:19,000 what we see is a gentleman doing the activity, playing, playing chess, doing the calligraphy. 291 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:26,000 These gentlemen are painting, they're looking at painting, and they're engaged in acts of connoisseurship. 292 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,500 They're looking at painting. 293 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:35,390 And I think significantly, because there's so this is how the thing is kind of conceptualised, that they're looking at painting together. 294 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:45,950 This is a social activity. It's not a solitary activity. It's a bunch of gentlemen looking at painting, looking at painting together. 295 00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:52,760 And we can see a whole range of the form that says there's a blowing up, a kind of detail of it there. 296 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,950 So we've actually got a range of formats. 297 00:31:54,950 --> 00:32:06,230 We've got a screen panel behind him, maybe screen panel, which is not previously hanging school that he's looking at. 298 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:10,190 And we've got Hans stools, more homes, schools and albums. 299 00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:14,240 How do I know these are hand schools are not hanging, but when they're rolled up. 300 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:21,290 The answer is how many stores have these protruding roller ends, whereas Huntsville's don't. 301 00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:24,830 Which is how you can tell when a school is not this still rolled up. 302 00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:29,300 You can tell what kind of a witch of the form it's in. 303 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:36,690 So this is a painting of gentlemen looking at painting, which itself shows all the possible or almost all of. 304 00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:41,960 Exactly. But almost all the possible formats of painting. 305 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:54,260 But I think the important point about it is that conceptually, discursively painting this is a picture of the theme of this painting is painting. 306 00:32:54,260 --> 00:33:02,150 And the way that you paint a painting of painting is not to sure somebody doing it, but to show gentlemen looking at it. 307 00:33:02,150 --> 00:33:11,930 So conceptually, the act of looking is very important to to the kind of the idea, the whole experience. 308 00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:13,880 Now, in the time left to me, 309 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:25,400 I just want to think about some of the kind of ways or materials that we have for thinking about this kind of wider topic of of what painting is. 310 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,910 One of the things that we have to take on board is that as well as a very large number of paintings from China's. 311 00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:41,180 We also have a very large amount of writing from China's past about the theme of painting biographies of artists, theoretical writings. 312 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:45,410 There's a huge body of painting, writing about painting. 313 00:33:45,410 --> 00:33:51,300 And actually we've got writing about painting from earlier and we've got actual painting. 314 00:33:51,300 --> 00:34:01,400 So some of the kind of most important theoretical writing about painting comes down to us from a period earlier than any painting that we've got. 315 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:12,140 So just for example, you know, one of the most important kind of statements about what makes a painting good comes from the writing of this man, 316 00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:16,910 Sierre, who lives in the 6th century A.D. 317 00:34:16,910 --> 00:34:24,430 And he says, in order to be good, a painter has to be good at six things. 318 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:29,600 And these are the six things which the painter all has to be has to be good at. 319 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,740 Now, we don't have any paint. 320 00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:40,730 This is too early for us that we don't have any painting from this early date, with the exception of Buddhist wall painting from from Cave Temple. 321 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:44,270 So we kind of don't really know how this related to the painting of the day. 322 00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:52,400 But what we do know is that in subsequent centuries, this this is a much repeated, 323 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:58,430 much discussed, much argued over statement, and it shifts its meaning subtly over the centuries. 324 00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:06,060 So, for example, YAHA starts by saying, you know, an artist got to be good to all of these six things. 325 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:13,610 All right. Well, then happens is that people start to say, well, this is a hierarchy, right? 326 00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:20,000 There are six things. This is the most important one. And this is the least important. 327 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,010 And then we move to stage where people actually say, well, this is a good thing and this is a bad thing. 328 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:33,560 What makes painting good is it's kind of capturing of the inner spirit of things and capturing the outer appearance of things. 329 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,090 That's actually a bad thing. Now, he doesn't see this at the beginning, but that. 330 00:35:38,090 --> 00:35:42,050 So what you've got here, rather, has with Europe where, you know, I don't know, 331 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:47,360 Plato's theory of ideal forms gets chewed over again and again and again and again. 332 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,910 And people kind of change their minds about what it means or use it in different ways. 333 00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:59,810 This kind of theoretical writing. And that's just one example. One has to be aware there is this kind of great. 334 00:35:59,810 --> 00:36:03,390 Or do you feel lots of which is translated into English, by the way. 335 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:10,400 And it's possible to read now a very large amount of material written by Chinese writers 336 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:16,070 of the past about the art of painting without ever having to read a word written. 337 00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:20,060 In Chinese, there's a lot of there's a lot of translation. 338 00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:27,320 Another thing that people kind of talk about a lot is the relationship between painting and calligraphy. 339 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,410 That's a big kind of theoretical issue. 340 00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:39,410 Here's a 14th century writer telling us that writing and painting essentially are different, but have a have a common have a common origin. 341 00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:47,720 And certainly it's the case that the same material tools are used, the same kinds of brushes are used for both writing and painting. 342 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:54,440 And of course, many paintings have inscriptions, have inscriptions on them. 343 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,690 The idea that also about the connexion points in painting. 344 00:36:59,690 --> 00:37:06,290 There is one basic rule in poetry and painting. Natural genius and originality links together. 345 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:15,050 Those cultural are those cultural practises. And so you've got paintings that have kind of inscriptions on them. 346 00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:22,790 Writing paintings also have seals of authorship, which of course are a form of writing which may be put on at the time by the artist, 347 00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:29,630 but may also be put on by subsequent by subsequent owners. 348 00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:34,040 And then, you know, the royalists or the relationship with calligraphy is very close. 349 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,120 And in a world like this, like little, you know, it's kind of hard to say. 350 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,550 Is this a piece of writing with a picture attached or is it a picture with a piece of writing attached or. 351 00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:52,800 Actually, I think the right answer is that these are this is a thing where the writing and the picture are kind of essentially working together. 352 00:37:52,800 --> 00:38:00,060 And in fact, you can understand what's going on in one, what's going on in one without the other. 353 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:07,900 Now, I said I would talk about this. I just want to I just want to mention a distinction that I find to help the distinction in thinking about this. 354 00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:13,820 And this is a distinction drawn from the realm of anthropology as anthropologists invented these terms. 355 00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:20,150 You make an edict pertaining to the view from Imake means, pertaining to the view from within, 356 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:25,250 developed within the mind of an individual or a culture of meanings developed in terms of native categories. 357 00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:32,420 Not happy about that phrasing. Sam Eaton is describing the view of a culture from the perspective of those. 358 00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:35,990 Based on cross cultural generalisations, compare with image. 359 00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:46,160 So these these work together. So Emek Ilic explanations are the explanations and the meanings that a culture itself produces. 360 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,140 Right. So, you know, why is this person behaving this way? 361 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:53,990 You know, they are possessed by an evil spirit. Right. 362 00:38:53,990 --> 00:39:01,910 Might be an image explanation from 50 that possessed by the devil is the kind of thing that people might say in 15th century England today. 363 00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:07,400 We might say this person is mentally unwell. Right. That's an E tip that those are up. 364 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,680 I mean, obviously, we have our Imake explanations. Now, these are not hierarchy. 365 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:22,730 Neither is better than the other. It's just a good idea to be kind of clear about what it is, what kind of explanations, what ones use it. 366 00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:29,870 So when one says things like, you know, calligraphy and painting are, you know, have a common origin. 367 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:39,080 That's a kind of impact statement. I use that kind of thing that people themselves said in in the Ming Dynasty. 368 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,770 But Eatock ones are ones that we might use. 369 00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:46,520 We might use none of developed within an individual culture and also be like, 370 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,570 you know, I mean, this modern Chinese people are not mean Chinese people. 371 00:39:50,570 --> 00:39:55,750 So, you know, they might use modern distinctions. 372 00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:59,120 And it's just a helpful way of keeping kind of straight what's in one's mind. 373 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:07,730 So I just want to finish by looking at some of the I've shown you a couple of the kind of emek things, you know, 374 00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:12,530 theories that existed within China at the period that I'm talking about, 375 00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:16,590 the issues around the relationship to calligraphy or the relationship to poetry. 376 00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:22,230 But I'd like to finish by talking about some kind of ETEC ways of looking at Chinese painting. 377 00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:29,000 Ah, history has has at its disposal and that I use now. 378 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,540 One of them is what you might call technical art history. 379 00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:38,480 That is. Let's study the thing as far as a material object. 380 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:49,100 Actually, there hasn't been very much of this. The best book on the Chinese painting as a thing, you know, as a how is it together? 381 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:54,800 What kind of glue is used? How are pigments made? What kind of pigments do they use? 382 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:01,190 These kind of, you know, the best book in English books in Chinese, of course, for the best book in English is still Robert Manne, 383 00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:07,850 who led Chinese pictorial authors with Other Kommissar, which was written quite a long time ago now. 384 00:41:07,850 --> 00:41:13,730 This is this picture comes off a website from the National Palace Museum in Taipei and 385 00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:18,490 is a rather good kind of illustration of the different sort of formats of painting. 386 00:41:18,490 --> 00:41:24,560 Really, the only time that technical art history gets applied to Chinese painting, 387 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:35,510 and this is not completely unique to Chinese painting, is when issues of authenticity are at stake. 388 00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:38,510 So here's a painting in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, 389 00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:44,870 which they acquired at the beginning of the law at the very, very end of the last century. 390 00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:48,640 And they attributed to an important 10th century artist. 391 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:58,820 What do you and James K. held? What the man with the 11 hours of lectures on the on the Web said, no, it's a modern free market tomorrow. 392 00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:05,290 So there's a big row about this big kind of you know, there were had to be a whole conference and all kinds of debates and so on. 393 00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:10,430 And I'm one of the things that they did as part of this was kind of investigate the thing physically. 394 00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:15,350 So that's why I'm able to show you this is this is this is a painting on silk. 395 00:42:15,350 --> 00:42:22,460 So this is the actual silk surface, which, as you can see is, you know, it's it is in lots of great shape. 396 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:28,460 You know, it's there's a lot of holes in it. And so here it is, as you would see it in the mat mounted, 397 00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:37,510 remounted again on paper and with the missing patches kind of touched in in order to, you know, in order to make the thing viewable. 398 00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:42,020 But that's that's the physical surface that actually survives. 399 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:45,230 But that's. This is a real case, this kind of investigation. 400 00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:49,700 I can show you lots of pictures of what lots of things look like when they're off the mountings. 401 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:58,610 This is this is a slightly kind of unique thing. Then we might talk about, you know, one of art history is kind of big clubs. 402 00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:02,480 And that's that's the approach through kind of iconography, you know. 403 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:10,070 What does this picture mean? Well, obviously, kind of iconography is going to be culturally specific. 404 00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:23,150 So, you know, unless you know that this is the images of kind of fish leaping upstream are 405 00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:28,760 images that relate to wishes for success in the imperial examination system. 406 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:37,350 You became an official, you know, so it's this kind of sense. A huge effort goes like, no, I'm I'm Freeland's, this is like finals, you know. 407 00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:42,890 Huge leap. Talaat and I turn into a drag it or I talk, I turn into an official. 408 00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:46,590 Right. If you don't know that, it's just a picture of a fish. Right. 409 00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:51,750 So iconography always has to be, you know, always has to be kind of culturally specific. 410 00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:55,620 And you know, something like this one which we looked at before. Again, 411 00:43:55,620 --> 00:44:04,350 is probably a specific historical story about the duty of the righteous ruler to listen to criticism from 412 00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:11,760 his officials on the duty of the righteous official to offer criticism to the to the righteous ruler. 413 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:18,600 So, you know, there's a specific there's a specific kind of iconography going in which you can't walk out if you don't know it. 414 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:27,270 You know, you can't work these kind of things out. You know, similarly, you know, if you don't know who the bottle you ordered mortal ball is, 415 00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:34,130 you're not going to have a great deal of a handle on on what's going on in a picture in a picture like this. 416 00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:39,930 And I can orthography might not seem obvious, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any. 417 00:44:39,930 --> 00:44:49,680 So if we take something like this kind of very, very famous 11th century Chinese painting, you know it. 418 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,940 What is it? It's a landscape. You know, it's magic. It's early spring. 419 00:44:53,940 --> 00:45:01,820 However, the people of work, particularly on this, argue that these Keer, the kind of composition is iconography, 420 00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:08,820 that these are paintings which were produced in the environment of the imperial court. 421 00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:16,790 And that, if you like and I mean, this is this is the composition of this is very strongly dominated by the central mountain. 422 00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:26,310 It's a very kind of central composition's name. And that that that is related to ideas about the central city of the emperor. 423 00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:31,560 You know, that this is this is a particular kind of imperial core art, which is about, 424 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,190 you know, the ways in which emperors all that are at the middle of things. 425 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:37,220 So that can be iconography there. 426 00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:47,220 And even when we even probably kind of don't know about pictures, you know, I can show pictures have a range of functions in in China. 427 00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:55,740 And often we need to know the iconography to know about this. They can record things like this occasion when, you know, 428 00:45:55,740 --> 00:46:06,660 cranes are appearing in front of the above the imperial palace or kind of miraculous things appearing in the sky above a Buddhist temple or, 429 00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:16,620 you know, the way the emperors like to have fun. These are all kind of recordings or a particular trip that that this man, 430 00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:28,800 while he made a pilgrimage to a holy mountain or even just scenes of what the what the imperial capital of Beijing, Beijing looks like. 431 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:46,770 Now, I said I was going to talk about this distinction to what is a common compound made up of two, a picture of PLA, a painting in the 17th century. 432 00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:54,300 This man Ninefold Goodman, CNN said this in ancient times there were pictures, but no paintings. 433 00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:59,070 Pictures depict objects, portrayed people or transcribe events, ask for paintings. 434 00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:02,790 The same isn't necessarily true for them to insist on. 435 00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:09,850 Some specific subject of the representation of some event is very low class. 436 00:47:09,850 --> 00:47:11,310 And what do you mean by that? 437 00:47:11,310 --> 00:47:20,670 And here's the kind of distinction that might have been made in the Ming Dynasty, is that this is a painting, that this is just a picture. 438 00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:24,090 And this is partly about the social status of the artist. 439 00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:30,390 And this is a gentleman, an educated gentleman, an amateur painter, an educated amateur painter. 440 00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:40,780 And this is a this is an artisan, but it's also about the particular kind of style of the things here. 441 00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:44,130 You know, this is about back to go on CNN. 442 00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:52,900 Know one uses a broad brush and execute you as the thing is in a painting, cloudy hills and misty grows beautiful. 443 00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:58,140 This boulders that maybe figures are no figures to insist on some specific subject eye. 444 00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:04,200 This painting is not about a meticulous transcription of what the secret looks like. 445 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,880 This is very invested in the details of what people are wearing or what the streets 446 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,850 look like and all the details of things for sale in there in the city streets. 447 00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:20,660 So in a sense, in 17th century times, this is a painting. But this is just a picture. 448 00:48:20,660 --> 00:48:31,750 And that's a hierarchical distinction between them. So lots of the things that survive nowadays were not thought of as painting at the time. 449 00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:49,990 Here's an anonymous, again, religious painting from the 15th century, or here's the kind of ritual portraits these were used in, in funerary rites. 450 00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:57,820 You know, after people after people are dying. Very meticulous transcription of, you know, her earrings look like. 451 00:48:57,820 --> 00:49:03,130 Hey, Paul. Looks like. And so on. So, again, this is a this is a picture and not a painting. 452 00:49:03,130 --> 00:49:08,940 That doesn't mean that paintings weren't pictures weren't important, 453 00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:21,070 but it means that they had certain specific functions and that they are somewhat lower than the than the category of painting. 454 00:49:21,070 --> 00:49:26,080 Just chalk this one in really to make the point about the category of of. 455 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:31,840 I mean, again, this is a picture. It's anonymous. It's a picture that's actually made out of writing. 456 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,550 So it's made out of the characters of a religious text. 457 00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:40,840 Well, what these gentlemen are doing is not this is not pictures. 458 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:49,140 This is this is painting. And that's a category that has a kind of social role as well. 459 00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:54,730 And one of the things that our history is done more recently is Tom. 460 00:49:54,730 --> 00:50:01,850 And this is, again, a broader art, historical thing. But the study of Chinese paintings is part of this broader trend. 461 00:50:01,850 --> 00:50:11,770 There's a peer bit more attention to what we call what you might call a reception that is not quite so much on not think only about what artists do, 462 00:50:11,770 --> 00:50:16,420 but also think about what audiences see and to think about the social construction 463 00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:22,270 of audiences and what kind of person it is looking in what kind of context. 464 00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:28,180 And that directs our attention towards images like this, but also back towards this set. 465 00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:30,460 And think, well, you know what's good, what's going on here. 466 00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:38,960 So there the thing on reception, that's that's a relatively new kind of trend within art history. 467 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:46,120 And that's a kind of ETEC approach, I think, because, you know, there is not this was the issue that people kind of engage with at the time, 468 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,103 but it's one that seems more productive for all of history today.