1 00:00:10,630 --> 00:00:16,660 Right. Okay. And you come here, I assume, because you're interested in philosophy. 2 00:00:16,660 --> 00:00:21,010 Presumably you don't know a lot about philosophy or you wouldn't have come to a philosophy for beginners. 3 00:00:21,010 --> 00:00:29,390 So I thought I'd start by telling you how I came to philosophy and why I adore it as much as I do. 4 00:00:29,390 --> 00:00:36,570 And I was thrown out of school when I was 15. Truancy and disruption, if you're interested. 5 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:44,980 Bored to tears. And it was only when I was 26 when I started feeling that I needed some intellectual stimulation, that I started doing it. 6 00:00:44,980 --> 00:00:50,950 Of course, with the Open University, wonderful institution. And part of that was philosophy one. 7 00:00:50,950 --> 00:00:55,720 One unit of it was philosophy. And those were the days where you had to do formal logic. 8 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,620 And I thought this was the most difficult thing I had ever done in my life. 9 00:01:00,620 --> 00:01:06,130 And I actually sat up all night working on it. And I thought actually I really enjoyed that. 10 00:01:06,130 --> 00:01:12,250 And then I did quite well on it, which always helps, doesn't it? And I started reading more. 11 00:01:12,250 --> 00:01:18,490 And the more I read, the more I thought this is what I want to do. And I ended up going full time to London University. 12 00:01:18,490 --> 00:01:26,020 Then came on here to do my graduate work. And I just for three years at Bedford College in London, I was walking on air. 13 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:36,070 I couldn't believe that actually the government in those days was paying me to study this absolutely fascinating and fantastic subject. 14 00:01:36,070 --> 00:01:40,800 And as I say, three years walking on air. I've come down to earth a little bit since then. 15 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,880 That was quite a few decades ago. But I still adore philosophy. 16 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:52,810 And my aim in these lectures is to convey to you some of the enthusiasm that I have for the subject. 17 00:01:52,810 --> 00:01:55,330 Some of the love I have for the subject. 18 00:01:55,330 --> 00:02:01,740 The thing I like most about it is that there are all these things that you might have thought about as your lying in bed. 19 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:11,860 The things like dust space come to an end. Is somebody the barman in a pub once told me that he often lay in bed wondering if space came to an end, 20 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:15,310 but actually never getting anywhere because how do you think about something like that? 21 00:02:15,310 --> 00:02:21,220 If you haven't been trained to think about things like that and I explained to him that you could you know, 22 00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:28,540 there was a whole subject devoted to the study of such things as that, and it's philosophy. 23 00:02:28,540 --> 00:02:38,780 So does space come to an end? Well, if it does, it means you get to a point where you can't put your arm out, you know what's in its way. 24 00:02:38,780 --> 00:02:47,350 There's just no space to put your arm into. Is there is space a box or does it carry on to infinity? 25 00:02:47,350 --> 00:02:54,580 That's that's the question that fascinated him. But I'm sure you wouldn't be here if you didn't have a few things like that. 26 00:02:54,580 --> 00:03:00,730 And I hope that sometime over the next five weeks I might address the question that bothers you. 27 00:03:00,730 --> 00:03:06,730 And if not, just ask me about it, because there's plenty going to be plenty of opportunity for you to ask. 28 00:03:06,730 --> 00:03:14,590 What's we going to do today is I build it and I continue to build it as a romp through the history of philosophy. 29 00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:19,360 It really is a romp because look at all the things I'm going to do and we've got one and a half hours. 30 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,800 I could spend six weeks talking about this lot. So it really will be a romp. 31 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:31,630 But I hope what I'll do is, is show you a bit about how these people thought and why they thought what they thought. 32 00:03:31,630 --> 00:03:38,890 And that'll introduce us to the different areas of philosophy, which is what we'll be studying after today. 33 00:03:38,890 --> 00:03:44,770 Okay. We can start with the chap at the top, chap called Democritus. 34 00:03:44,770 --> 00:03:53,260 He was a priest, Socratic. In other words, he lived before Socrates in the 5th century B.C. Those are his dates. 35 00:03:53,260 --> 00:04:00,190 And he was an activist. I should tell you something about what is it that makes a philosopher? 36 00:04:00,190 --> 00:04:10,390 The first philosophers were actually also the first scientists. They were the first people who looked for explanations of things that were natural. 37 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:19,870 So instead of looking to God or the supernatural in some form or another, they looked for explanations that were earthbound, if you like. 38 00:04:19,870 --> 00:04:31,660 And so democracies. Democritus was the pupil of somebody called Opus, and he took most of his theory from him or started it. 39 00:04:31,660 --> 00:04:40,330 But Democritus developed it in a big way. He came from the idea that nothing comes from nothing. 40 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:49,720 The idea that nothing either comes into existence or goes out of existence because everything that exists just exists. 41 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,860 It is or it isn't. And of course, anything that isn't isn't. 42 00:04:53,860 --> 00:05:05,590 So it's not very interesting. I have a view of the universe like that, but nothing comes into existence and nothing goes out of existence. 43 00:05:05,590 --> 00:05:11,970 Then you've got a problem, haven't you? You've got a problem with change. You know, things are changing all the time. 44 00:05:11,970 --> 00:05:18,270 Surely things are coming out of existence, coming into existence all the time, I mean, I don't know how many grandchildren you have, but some. 45 00:05:18,270 --> 00:05:25,530 There's somebody something that's come into existence. Surely it's complete nonsense to think that things don't come into existence. 46 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:29,940 Well, Democritus and the other activists explains this. 47 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:39,520 That was the question they set themselves. How do we explain change, given that nothing comes into or goes out of existence? 48 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:46,710 And their answer was that. And what exists is the void. 49 00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:51,230 And within that void, there are individuals. 50 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:58,710 There there's a set number of things that have different shapes, different properties, et cetera. 51 00:05:58,710 --> 00:06:04,290 But they exist and they are changeless. In other words, they do not come into existence or go out of existence. 52 00:06:04,290 --> 00:06:11,160 But what they do do is form and reform into different sorts of aggregates. 53 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:18,030 So you have the individuals, the things that are as they are and don't change the atoms. 54 00:06:18,030 --> 00:06:24,060 And they come together to create things like you and things like this chair here and things like this, 55 00:06:24,060 --> 00:06:33,490 flip charts and things like this microphone and so on. So can you see how an atom becomes an explanatory particle? 56 00:06:33,490 --> 00:06:41,730 It's it's what explains change. And can you also see that that explanation is a completely natural explanation? 57 00:06:41,730 --> 00:06:45,480 It's not postulating God or anything supernatural. 58 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:52,560 It's just saying that there exist. There's the void and there are atoms within the void. 59 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,810 Why do you think they're indivisible these things? I've given you the answer in what I've said, actually. 60 00:06:57,810 --> 00:07:02,300 So if you can, why are they indivisible atoms? 61 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:08,130 Cause we know these days that atoms aren't indivisible at all. 62 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:14,550 But why would they think they were? 63 00:07:14,550 --> 00:07:20,400 Okay, well, if you can't come into existence and go out of existence, if you can't change, how could the atoms change? 64 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,230 How could they divide and come back together? 65 00:07:23,230 --> 00:07:32,350 If these are the things that enter into new combinations all the time and then they can't themselves change, can they? 66 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:36,160 So they are the individuals that somebody else had. 67 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,870 Another way of describing this. Who was it? Zino said, take a stick. 68 00:07:43,870 --> 00:07:47,380 Chop it in half. Chop it in half again. Chop that half in half. 69 00:07:47,380 --> 00:07:54,110 Chop that half and half and that half and half and so on. Carry on and you can only get two possibilities. 70 00:07:54,110 --> 00:07:57,490 This one is that it's infinitely divisible, isn't it? 71 00:07:57,490 --> 00:08:06,160 You can keep on going into halves. And the other is that you reach a point where as you chop it, you no longer have wood. 72 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:12,880 What you have is is something that isn't wood. You've cut it beyond the point where it's wood. 73 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,900 And that was another argument for Atomism. OK. 74 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:22,000 So that's the priest acrostics. And you've had 10 minutes of the priest Socratic. 75 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,900 So that's your lot. I should tell you a little bit more. 76 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:30,850 This chap wrote over 60 books. He was hugely unpopular. 77 00:08:30,850 --> 00:08:35,500 He was known as the laughing philosopher, which makes it sound as if he ought to be popular. 78 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:40,960 But he was laughing because he was laughing cynically at everyone else and their stupidity. 79 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:49,000 So he doesn't strike me as a nice sort of chap. But he wrote all these books and all we have of him now is the fragments. 80 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:57,760 They are literally fragments of parchment. We have a couple of of pieces by people who also propounded his theories. 81 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,490 But we have a huge amount of stuff by his detractors. The people who didn't like him. 82 00:09:03,490 --> 00:09:10,450 So remember, as you're reading something like that, you've got to bear in mind that they don't like this chap. 83 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:14,290 Okay, well, that's that's the pre Socratic. So let's move on a bit here. 84 00:09:14,290 --> 00:09:21,220 Let's move on to the post Socratic, if you like, Plato, of whom you will, of course, 85 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:28,240 have heard and Aristotle I Sutil was Plato's pupil and Plato was the pupil of Socrates. 86 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,580 Socrates himself didn't write anything ever. 87 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:38,830 Everything we know about Socrates comes down either from Plato or Socrates was 88 00:09:38,830 --> 00:09:45,580 also mentioned by a few of Aristophanes and a few other people who wrote plays. 89 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:49,870 But Plato himself wrote in dialogue form, and he's very easy to read. 90 00:09:49,870 --> 00:09:56,260 I really do recommend that if you like reading dialogue form, if you're interested in philosophy. 91 00:09:56,260 --> 00:10:01,150 Plato is actually a good place to start and Aristotle's his pupil. 92 00:10:01,150 --> 00:10:08,830 Aristotle is. He has the reputation amongst his peers of being very easy to read. 93 00:10:08,830 --> 00:10:13,900 But the works that we have are his lecture notes. Sadly, we don't have any of his books. 94 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:19,780 We have his lecture notes. And if you were to read my lecture notes, you wouldn't find a very easy to read. 95 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:23,950 And Aristotle's work is also not at all easy to read. 96 00:10:23,950 --> 00:10:29,530 It's a shame because Plato is fantastic and we believe that Aristotle was fantastic in the books he wrote. 97 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:33,940 But let's have a look at a dispute that they had between them. 98 00:10:33,940 --> 00:10:38,530 Can you imagine instantly a school where Plato was the teacher and Aristotle was a pupil? 99 00:10:38,530 --> 00:10:46,600 What must have been completely extraordinary, mustn't it? Okay, let's let's look at this patootie particular thing. 100 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,210 Think about the word read. Okay. 101 00:10:50,210 --> 00:10:56,830 What's the meaning of the word read? How do you understand the word read? 102 00:10:56,830 --> 00:11:01,690 Anyone prepared to have a go which read? 103 00:11:01,690 --> 00:11:11,610 Well, I'm talking about the word read. Remember, there's a big difference between that and that. 104 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:16,420 Okay. That with the quotes refers to the words, doesn't it? 105 00:11:16,420 --> 00:11:22,240 And that refers to the colour. Okay. So the person you said which read. 106 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:29,170 OK, what are you talking about, which colour? Oh, I see. 107 00:11:29,170 --> 00:11:33,610 My apologies. I hadn't thought of that. I had that in mind. 108 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:37,610 OK. No, I mean that red. OK. The colour red. Yeah. 109 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:42,550 OK. So taking the word red. How do you understand its meaning. 110 00:11:42,550 --> 00:11:50,740 What do you understand by the word red. Anyone prepared to tell me how in. 111 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:55,990 It's a colour, okay? But that's not going to help me much if I don't know the meaning of the word red. 112 00:11:55,990 --> 00:12:04,340 Do I? I mean, let's assume I know the meaning of the word colour a certain way. 113 00:12:04,340 --> 00:12:07,580 Would that tell me the meaning? Yes. That's interesting, isn't it? 114 00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:11,780 Because the other thing is that here's a little thought experiment for you. 115 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:17,120 Did you hear the lady said it's a certain wavelength. 116 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:23,270 Which, of course it is. In one sense. But is that how you understand the word? 117 00:12:23,270 --> 00:12:25,540 That's what people tell you. It's not how you understand it. 118 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:30,680 There may be people in this room who don't know that, and yet they understand the word read. 119 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:37,770 So that tells us that can't be the meaning of the word read. As you rightly said. 120 00:12:37,770 --> 00:12:41,490 So you get ready. 121 00:12:41,490 --> 00:12:45,300 Can we ask you? I mean, in one sense, I suppose you do. 122 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:50,220 And yes, if you refine that a bit, it's the colour of what comes out of you when you cut yourself. 123 00:12:50,220 --> 00:13:02,630 Yeah. Okay, good. So you're talking about it by description. 124 00:13:02,630 --> 00:13:14,540 It's not part of the meaning of it, though. I mean, is it the meaning in China, for example? 125 00:13:14,540 --> 00:13:24,170 No, I mean, we've got two things here, haven't we? There's the word and there's the concept, which is what do you think when you understand the word? 126 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:30,030 OK. So when I say the word read, you're immediately entertain your concept of red. 127 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:36,050 Okay, if I say elephant, you're immediately entertaining your concept of elephant. 128 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:44,230 Okay. Even though there isn't an elephant within miles, that's what the lady there say. 129 00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:49,250 Does it mean danger? I don't think it does mean danger because it might do in our society, 130 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:57,080 but I'm not sure it would in a society where there wasn't the correlation between red traffic lights, red berries, etc. 131 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,100 I mean, it means love in China, doesn't it? Isn't it the bridal colour? 132 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:13,040 Was that India? It's India, isn't it? Well, whatever it is, you're taught that it's okay to tell me what it is saying. 133 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,440 There's something else that's red. Okay. Let's let's take that one for a bit. His a way of describing red. 134 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:24,980 I mean, the lady of their described it. She said it's what. It's the colour of what comes out of you when you cut yourself. 135 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:29,420 Well, okay, that's that's a good way of understanding, isn't it. As long as somebody knows what comes out. 136 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:34,400 Here's another way. It's the colour of that gentleman's jumper, roughly. 137 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:39,210 I mean, maybe it's orange, but let's pretend it's certainly the colour of that gentlemens cardigan. 138 00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:43,910 But he's wearing a jacket. So you can't see it. Okay. 139 00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:51,860 I've given an all sensitive definition, but was it you who said it's the same as something else called red? 140 00:14:51,860 --> 00:15:05,480 Why should you get the colour when I pointed that? I mean, I'm trying to get lots of things apart from the colour on tie green. 141 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:12,330 Image that we see with our eyes, it's something that we recruit. All we agreed on it. 142 00:15:12,330 --> 00:15:20,280 Do you know that what you see when you look at this gentleman's jumper is what I see when I look at this gentleman's jumper? 143 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:29,280 Do you. You don't know what to say? Well, no, not necessarily, because that's exactly what I'm asking. 144 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,830 What is the colour of which you have a concept? 145 00:15:34,830 --> 00:15:39,670 Because I point to that. Let's think about a child learning the concept red. 146 00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:46,350 So what do you do when you're explaining what red means to a child? 147 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:50,250 You point to lots of other lots of different sorts of red. That's red. 148 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:55,920 That's the lining of your jacket is red. My skirt is sort of red. 149 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:02,250 Red. They're red there and so on. Do you pick lots of jumpers to point to? 150 00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:08,190 Why not? No, I'm talk about red jumpers. 151 00:16:08,190 --> 00:16:15,350 Yeah. So let's say they are all red. Why would you not point to lots of jumpers. 152 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:21,600 Exactly. You might think that red means jumper instead of or even red jumper rather than just red. 153 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,950 So you point to lots of different things and you also point to things that are not red. 154 00:16:25,950 --> 00:16:34,140 What you're trying to do is to give the child the conditions under which that is red are true. 155 00:16:34,140 --> 00:16:39,880 And you also want to say things like, is that red pointing to this lady's jumper? 156 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:46,660 And what do you hope the child says? No. Send that manner. 157 00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:48,030 Yes. You heard the child says no. 158 00:16:48,030 --> 00:16:58,560 So the way you do it is you point to lots of different things and you hope that the child abstracts out what it is you're talking about. 159 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:06,540 You know that you're not talking about a person. You're not talking about a jumper, that you're talking about that particular quality. 160 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:16,200 Now, Plato and Aristotle were interested in how you explain our ability to learn language and our ability to apply concepts. 161 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:26,730 Concepts are hugely important to human beings. Do you remember I said an elephant a minute ago and you all immediately had an elephant in mind? 162 00:17:26,730 --> 00:17:34,360 Even though there isn't an elephant around here at all, that's the difference between a percept and a concept. 163 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:44,890 A percept is a constituent of a perception. So if I look at this chair, a constituent of the perception I have is the colour blue. 164 00:17:44,890 --> 00:17:51,180 Okay, I can see the blue ness of the chair. And so can you, presumably. 165 00:17:51,180 --> 00:17:55,800 But whenever you think of elephants, I'm not seeing an elephant at all. 166 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,940 My. Instead, I'm having a thought about an elephant. 167 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:06,990 And the search has a conceptual content. And part of that conceptual content is elephant. 168 00:18:06,990 --> 00:18:16,020 So what makes us different from animals? Arguably, what enables us to think is that we can form concepts. 169 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:22,320 We can pull apart our thinking about the world from the way the world is. 170 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,480 So we can think about the way the world might be as well as the way the world is. 171 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,960 You can imagine me wearing yellow now, can't you? 172 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,570 Gone. Imagine it doesn't suit me at all, does it? Okay, but. 173 00:18:35,570 --> 00:18:37,590 But what you're doing is you're pulling apart. 174 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:44,670 You're the percept you see of me wearing black and red and your replacing the black and red with yellow. 175 00:18:44,670 --> 00:18:50,060 So you're pulling apart. That's what enables us to be creative. What enables us to be imaginative. 176 00:18:50,060 --> 00:18:56,370 What enables us to form plans. So we can imagine ourselves going swimming this evening. 177 00:18:56,370 --> 00:19:01,950 Whether we actually make that a reality. It depends on willpower. But we can indeed imagine it. 178 00:19:01,950 --> 00:19:07,540 And that's what it is to form goals, goals that you can then put into action. 179 00:19:07,540 --> 00:19:13,400 Sure. No, I'm not going to get into that. 180 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,420 I am. But I don't expect you to believe me at this point. 181 00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:22,350 No, we will maybe get into that at some point. Okay. 182 00:19:22,350 --> 00:19:26,940 So Plato said this is the problem he was dealing with. 183 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:31,260 How do we understand words? How do we form concepts? 184 00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:42,390 Words obviously stand for if you like concepts. So the word read the meaning that you entertain when you think about read is your concept of read. 185 00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:49,100 Okay. Not your percept, your concept. You've got to have the percept before you have the concept, perhaps. 186 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:56,550 And he says, well, how do we do this? And what he says is that when you look or when you as a child looked at different sorts of 187 00:19:56,550 --> 00:20:02,280 red as your mother was telling you or father was telling you the meaning of the word red, 188 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:08,640 what you did is you were reminded of something you saw before birth. 189 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,250 Okay, this is. Saito's theory of an emesis or memory. 190 00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:20,810 He thinks that before we're born, our soul exists before birth and it exists in the realm of being, 191 00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:28,820 which is where the forms are formed with a capital F and the form is the meaning of the word read. 192 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:35,480 So there's the form of good, which is what we are reminded of when we see a good act. 193 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:41,750 When we see somebody do something good, we think, good, that's good. 194 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:47,760 And what we're doing is we're reminded of the form, which is pure goodness. 195 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,110 Okay. In the form of red is pure redness and the form of blue is pure blueness. 196 00:20:54,110 --> 00:21:00,470 And so it goes on. And this, says Plato, is how you manage to teach your child read. 197 00:21:00,470 --> 00:21:03,410 You point to that. You point to that. You point to that. You point to that. 198 00:21:03,410 --> 00:21:09,260 Why just pointing to all these different things caused the child to form one concept answer. 199 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:13,020 It reminds him of the form. OK. 200 00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:16,530 That was Plato's theory. What's wrong with that theory? 201 00:21:16,530 --> 00:21:23,290 I mean, I'm telling you this theory now and I can see some of you are thinking, eh, well, why why are you thinking? 202 00:21:23,290 --> 00:21:31,860 What's wrong with this theory? Well, you can't prove it, but a lot of theories you can't prove. 203 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:37,440 I mean, with theories, we tend to give reasons for believing theories rather than proofs of theories. 204 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:43,160 We hope to find proofs, but we're not always successful. There's no common failure. 205 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:48,030 It's completely remembering things. 206 00:21:48,030 --> 00:21:51,900 No, they have to be reminded by the things that they see in this world. Yes. 207 00:21:51,900 --> 00:22:00,580 No, they can't think of it without being reminded. But that's reasonable, as we'll see in a minute and a minute. 208 00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:08,820 Carburettor, for example, subsequent to Plato, carburettor, feminism amongst them. 209 00:22:08,820 --> 00:22:15,190 Okay. Just the same way this lady did explain, read by description a carburettors. 210 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:19,530 Actually, I've no idea what a carburettor is. Platers theory. 211 00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:29,490 We have encountered only we. Well, okay. Think of unicorn. You certainly haven't come across any unicorns, but you've still got the concept unicorn. 212 00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:40,490 So how do you how would Plato explain your acquisition of the concept unicorn, assuming that there isn't a form of a unicorn? 213 00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:44,970 Come on. I was wrong. You couldn't disagree. 214 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:48,770 That's right. You come back to my previous question. 215 00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:52,770 Can I come back to you in a second? I have not forgotten this question. 216 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:59,780 What was it like, unicorn? Don't be a fool. You know what? 217 00:22:59,780 --> 00:23:04,160 That's a good question. Okay. Unicorns don't exist, do they? 218 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,710 But how can you think about a unicorn if they don't exist? Somebody. 219 00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:14,900 And how did they imagine it? Remember what I said about concepts. 220 00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:19,160 Pull them apart. We've seen pictures so perceived. 221 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:28,950 We've seen pictures. We haven't perceived a unicorn, though. We've perceived the combination of horse white porn, whatever. 222 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:33,240 Unicorns have wings. They don't, do they? That's Pegasus, right. 223 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,850 Okay. So what we've seen is the. Now think back to Democritus and the atoms. 224 00:23:38,850 --> 00:23:44,390 Okay. We can't think of anything that we haven't come across, you might think. 225 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:51,770 But what we can do is we can take the bits of what we have come across and re combine them in various ways. 226 00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:57,020 So you've come across birds that fly and you've come across me because you're looking at me right now. 227 00:23:57,020 --> 00:24:03,160 You can now imagine that I could fly. I hope. I can imagine that I can fly. 228 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,900 Sadly, I can't do it, but. So what we're doing is we see the forms, the form. 229 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:14,300 There are only forms of the simple things and you put those back together again. 230 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:21,290 But Aristotle had a completely different understanding of this. Aristotle completely rejected the platonic forms. 231 00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:25,940 He argued that we don't need to postulate such. 232 00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:29,900 I mean, going back to the question I asked earlier. What's wrong with this theory? 233 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:34,790 Well, one thing that's wrong with it is its ontology. Okay? 234 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:44,750 Ontology is a section of metaphysics. Metaphysics is to do with the nature of things, what there is and what its nature is. 235 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:49,520 And ontology is your list of things that exist. 236 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:55,620 So who believes in ghosts here? Oh, you've got no imagination, any of you. 237 00:24:55,620 --> 00:25:05,020 All right. Somebody over here. Okay. If you believe in ghosts, your ontology has things like chairs, people, glasses, necklaces, ghosts on it. 238 00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:09,550 If you believe in God. God's on it. If you believe in fairies, fairies are on it and so on. 239 00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:18,100 That's your list of what there is. And Aristotle says the thing about Plato's theory is it explodes your ontology. 240 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:24,280 Not only is there redness, which is a colour, there is also the form of red. 241 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,970 So we're doubling everything up. And so have you heard of a chap called Ockham? 242 00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:34,960 What's Ockham famous for? His razor Ozcan, who wasn't born then, of course. 243 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,150 Or even sort of would have said, we've just got to slash through this ontology. 244 00:25:40,150 --> 00:25:47,140 We mustn't postulate entities that we can x that are not needed for explanation. 245 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:54,490 And Aristotle thought, well, we can understand words and form concepts and so on because we see commonalities. 246 00:25:54,490 --> 00:25:59,320 Sameness is similarities between objects that exist. 247 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:13,890 So instead of redness being a form up there that you were new before birth, as Plato said, redness is a commonality between different objects. 248 00:26:13,890 --> 00:26:22,150 Much simpler, isn't it? And if that explains our understanding the word red, why should we accept Plato's theory? 249 00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:24,340 Because that one's much simpler, 250 00:26:24,340 --> 00:26:31,360 doesn't require us to postulate anything that is other than the things we can see in front of us, things we can touch. 251 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:44,010 But let me ask you a question to distinguish between these two theories. If redness didn't exist, could you still have the concept of red? 252 00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:47,810 If you were. If retina's didn't exist at all. 253 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:57,660 Could we still have the concept of it? And whose theory does that favour Aristotle? 254 00:26:57,660 --> 00:27:06,440 Yeah. Okay, so you only want Plato if you don't think Aristotle's theory can explain everything now. 255 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:15,860 There are some concepts and we'll get onto them in a minute that are very difficult to explain in terms of commonalities between things. 256 00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:23,840 So any concept we have that can't be explained in that way might take us back towards Plato's theory. 257 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:32,090 Do you see why? Because if you have two theories, one of which is much simpler than the other, you definitely go for the simpler one. 258 00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:36,830 But only if it can actually explain everything you want to explain. 259 00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:42,800 If in order to explain everything you need to appeal to the richer one, then you have to go for the richer one. 260 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,110 It's no good having a theory that doesn't explain anything, is it? 261 00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:52,050 This is a theory. Who's speaking the other? 262 00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:57,920 That requires you to decide that you can exist before you born. 263 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,320 Well, it doesn't require you to decide. 264 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:13,070 It does say because any theory you postulate, whether it's scientific or philosophical, will have various ramifications. 265 00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:20,750 I mean, it might postulate theoretical entities like forms or notice that Aristotle does postulate something. 266 00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:29,870 He postulates the existence of what objects, certainly, but also something else. 267 00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:34,790 No other commonalities. Who said that? 268 00:28:34,790 --> 00:28:40,460 Absolutely right. He postulates commonalities, universals, in other words, properties. 269 00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:46,070 Now, that's a huge question in philosophy as to whether universals actually exist. 270 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:51,700 Are there both properties. Sorry. Objects and things that have properties. 271 00:28:51,700 --> 00:29:04,090 Sorry. And the properties or are there only objects and relations between them is not an object abstract. 272 00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:18,790 Ah, okay. Abstract objects. I mean to suggest that you must be able to see things, you see the commonality at least or perceived as truth or love. 273 00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:23,930 Loyalty is my master. So I wonder if you would. 274 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:30,310 Well a commonality actually a truth is a commonality between sentences isn't it. 275 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:36,510 There are some sentences that are true and others that aren't. OK, let's move on from Plato and Aristotle. 276 00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:41,600 Are we going to get lost? But we're not going to leave this subject because we're going to move. 277 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,170 We've come quite a few centuries on now. 278 00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:53,970 We're going to talk about the rationalists and the empiricists noticed that the empiricists were all British locked, Berkeley and Hume. 279 00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:57,650 Is that jingoistic little cheer? No. Okay. 280 00:29:57,650 --> 00:30:00,950 The rationalists. Descartes lied. Nitzan Spinoza. 281 00:30:00,950 --> 00:30:09,050 The difference between these two sets of philosophers is that the rationalists believe that many of our concepts are innate. 282 00:30:09,050 --> 00:30:20,780 In other words, we're born with them. Whereas the empiricists believe that all concepts come from experience, that we're born as blank slates. 283 00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:28,490 You've probably heard that that's saying so. Okay, let's think about this for a minute. 284 00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:33,310 First of all. Can you tie these people up with Plato and Aristotle? 285 00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:37,790 Who do you think the rationalists are more like Plato? Yeah, absolutely. 286 00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:43,190 Plato said that we're born with the memory of the forms. 287 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:51,980 The rationalist didn't say women. We remember the forms, but they do say that when we are born, our mind is already stocked. 288 00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:59,990 Now there are different sorts of rationalists and instantly there are some modern philosophers, Chuck Kofoed or for example, 289 00:30:59,990 --> 00:31:07,610 who actually thinks that we are born these days with the concept of car berretta and feminism. 290 00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:11,740 What? No, no, you didn't to me. I did. 291 00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:17,450 Yeah, I got that one. Okay. But the idea is we're born with knowledge. 292 00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:21,890 We've already got some knowledge of what some things are and concepts that are 293 00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:28,970 candidates for things like that are concepts like causality or rationality. 294 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:35,630 So let's take causality. This is something that Hume famously talked about. 295 00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:41,810 If you're a rationalist, you believe that the concept of cause is a concept you're born with. 296 00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:47,000 If you're an empiricist, you think that all your concepts come from experience. 297 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:55,280 Therefore, you must have some experience of causation that gives you your concept of causation. 298 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,720 Can you think of what your experience of causation might be? 299 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,520 Can anyone tell me what your experience of causation might be? 300 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:16,760 These very difficult questions and. I don't think there's some. 301 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:23,090 Actually, that's a complicated one, because you might want to say that that's a reason rather than a cause. 302 00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:29,330 Actually, I don't. I think it is a cause. But can I leave that on one side and think about causation? 303 00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:37,490 Not involving us. How about one billiard ball rolling into another and the other rolls off? 304 00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:44,340 This is the. Okay. Do you experience causation when that happens? 305 00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:56,450 Do you experienced do you see or otherwise experience the causal relation between the billiard balls here or not? 306 00:32:56,450 --> 00:33:01,310 To you who said no? Why not? 307 00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:07,370 Because you don't just say good. 308 00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:15,890 That's right, isn't it? What you actually see is one event, which is a ball rolling and it's touching another. 309 00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:23,480 And the other ball going off. Now, if you didn't know that there was force involved there. 310 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:37,900 Could you work it out from what you saw? Could you put your hands up if you think you can't? 311 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:46,530 If you could feel it? Yes. Well, that's why I wanted to use an example that we weren't actually involved in. 312 00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:51,650 OK. Two billiard balls. So think about this. You would have called this a necessary connexion. 313 00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:56,650 He said the idea of causation involves firstly events. 314 00:33:56,650 --> 00:34:04,990 So the relator of the causal relation are events. And one event happens before another event. 315 00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:10,750 OK. And it's the event before that's the cause. So there's temporal priority. 316 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:18,240 There's spatial contiguity. OK. One billiard ball must actually hit the other before the other rolls off. 317 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:22,840 But then there's something else, isn't there? And this is something else is says Hume. 318 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,450 Necessary connexion. When you see one billiard ball hitting another. 319 00:34:28,450 --> 00:34:35,830 The reason you think that one event causes the other event, you think the first what happens? 320 00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:40,240 The second would not have happened either. Is that right? 321 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:50,530 Okay. Let me say that again, because that's a counterfactual. Had the first event not occurred, the second event would not have occurred either. 322 00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:58,030 Now, that's a claim not about this world, because in this world, that event did happen and so did the other. 323 00:34:58,030 --> 00:35:01,810 It's a claim about all possible worlds. 324 00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:11,960 In other words, there is no world in which that second event would have happened without that first event having happened. 325 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:21,230 Does that make sense? So what you're seeing, if you're claiming to be able to see that, is a necessary connexion, 326 00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:28,070 a connexion between types of events that covers all sorts of different possible worlds. 327 00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:33,950 How can you see that? I don't believe you. I don't think you can see that at all. 328 00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:43,610 I think that this is your theory of causation. In other words, we're suggesting that causation is a theoretical relation. 329 00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:52,550 So if you think those of you know anything about the Higgs bows on the accelerator in CERN, the Higgs Posen on is a theoretical particle. 330 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:56,060 It's a particle that's postulated within a theory. 331 00:35:56,060 --> 00:36:02,600 The theory says that if you do this, you will see the Higgs pose or at least see traces of the Higgs boson. 332 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:09,690 And if we do, that will confirm the theory. And we're so sure of the theory, we're spending millions of pounds to test it. 333 00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:16,620 Well, in this case, we're saying the theoretical relation is causation. 334 00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:21,920 We know we don't actually see causation. We postulate it. 335 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,470 OK, one question over here. Sorry. 336 00:36:25,470 --> 00:36:43,590 Can you speak up the and it changes taking place and the consequence of something course the consequence of telling us something before. 337 00:36:43,590 --> 00:36:51,030 Well, no, because you could believe with Liben, it's that there's no such thing as causation. 338 00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:58,650 But what you have instead is lots of events that happen that are quite separate from each other and don't causally interact at all, 339 00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:03,870 but which are arranged in such a way that we can predict them. 340 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:08,570 OK. That's what life it's thought. Yeah, it's a theory. 341 00:37:08,570 --> 00:37:12,590 It's actually quite a convincing theory if you read like Nitz, but I'm not going to tell you. 342 00:37:12,590 --> 00:37:22,640 Take us too long. The continuity. It was five long way away. 343 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:37,560 Yes, but does that mean there's nothing in between? Well, something has to be touching, actually. 344 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:43,620 I mean, this is open to question now the question of whether there is action that Haddix distance is disputed. 345 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:52,750 But why does the moon cause the tides to change? Can anyone tell us gravity? 346 00:37:52,750 --> 00:38:00,930 Yeah. OK. Well, also so we've got one here. 347 00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:03,390 We have this concept causation. 348 00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:15,670 The concept involves several things that we can see and experience and this strange force or necessary connexion that we don't seem to be able to see. 349 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:29,860 This is the empiricists or the rationalists who are winning on causation, the concept of causation, doing it with me. 350 00:38:29,860 --> 00:38:35,580 Ah, that's different. Okay, we've got here a concept that we seem to have. 351 00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:41,820 Okay, it's not a problem. So if we have it, it must come from experience according to the empiricists. 352 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:47,240 But what I'm asking you is, can you experience necessary connexion? 353 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:53,770 Can you experience it to be the case that had the first ball not hit the second ball? 354 00:38:53,770 --> 00:38:59,300 The second ball would not have run off. Do you experience that or not? 355 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:10,220 You don't do. Who's winning? The rationalists say, yes, sir. 356 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:15,680 Yeah, that's not what I'm asking. Let me ask you again. No. Come on, let's be precise here. 357 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,990 Had the first ball not hit it, the second ball would not have rolled off. 358 00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:28,570 That's causation, isn't it? Okay. Do you see? That had the first ball not hit it. 359 00:39:28,570 --> 00:39:33,900 The second ball would not have rolled off. You see that, right? 360 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:38,200 Yes, we are actually watching. Yes. Right. 361 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,040 I don't think you can. 362 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,980 And I think you should think about that, because what you're seeing and seeing that is things in different possible worlds, not in this world. 363 00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:50,140 You're seeing had the ball not hit it. But of course, the ball did hit it, didn't it? 364 00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:55,870 So in this world, you haven't got a situation in which the ball didn't hit. 365 00:39:55,870 --> 00:40:04,270 And therefore the ball didn't go off. You can instantly if you don't see causation in one instance. 366 00:40:04,270 --> 00:40:10,240 Can we see it in 100? So you might say, well, okay, it's not the first. 367 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,740 I don't see causation the first time it happens. You know, the ball hits full of rolls off. 368 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:20,020 But when I see this happen all the time, then I see causation. 369 00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:28,030 Can I see in the hundred instance something I can't see in one see goods? 370 00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:34,900 And that's exactly what Hume says. Hume. Now, look, if you're an empiricist here, you've got two ways of going here. 371 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:41,440 So you've claimed that all concepts come from experience. You found a concept that apparently doesn't come from experience. 372 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:50,680 What are you going to claim? Sorry, you could claim you do experience it only when some people do claim that. 373 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:57,370 But you could also claim that there's no such thing as causation. And that's exactly what Hume claims. 374 00:40:57,370 --> 00:41:04,600 What Hume claimed is that causation is an idea in our minds. 375 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:10,960 It's the expectation we form when we've seen a hundred billiard balls hit each other 376 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,490 and roll off and we still haven't seen causation because if you don't see it in one, 377 00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:25,210 you don't see it in one hundred either. But what we do form is a amental expectation that if a billiard ball hits, the other one will go off. 378 00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:31,930 And to Hume, that was all that causation is. There's no relation in the world of causation. 379 00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:36,880 No force. All there is is an expectation in our minds. 380 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,280 We project onto the world. This expectation. That's what causation is. 381 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:49,030 Who's winning the rationalists or the empiricists? Right. 382 00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:54,250 No wonder the empiricists were British. I think it's got to be the rationalists at this point. 383 00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:59,050 Unless you're prepared to believe there isn't any such thing as causation. 384 00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:05,800 You're prepared to believe that tied to a actually, I'm not knocking that there are quite a few people who do believe that likeness is one of them, 385 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:15,850 which is interesting, given that he's a rationalist. Yeah, well, now, that's an interesting question. 386 00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:20,920 Okay, let's pick up what the lady at the back said. Well, we ourselves are involved. 387 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:28,880 Okay, look, I'm moving this junk here. Now I can feel that force, Kantai. 388 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:36,490 Okay. I can experience the fact that I'm having an effect on the world, but I had a reason for doing that. 389 00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:43,880 Okay. It was to show you that I can move something, too, and and have an experience. 390 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,520 Was my action caused or was it reasons? 391 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,740 Was it a rational action, one that I performed for a reason? 392 00:42:53,740 --> 00:43:04,690 The other concept that the rationalists say can't be explained except through an innate concept is the concept of reason. 393 00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:10,070 How do I form the idea of of a reasoned. 394 00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:15,350 Where do we get the idea of rationality? I don't see your reasons for acting, do I? 395 00:43:15,350 --> 00:43:20,570 I see what you do, but I can't see your reasons for doing them. 396 00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:28,700 And how could I have a concept of my own reasons for acting unless I have a concept of your reasons for acting? 397 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:36,590 If we assume that a reason is a theoretical concept that I apply in explanation of your behaviour. 398 00:43:36,590 --> 00:43:42,140 Actually, I lost myself in that sentence, so I probably lost you, too. Shall we start again? 399 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:45,800 Okay. Right. 400 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,580 If you remember, we're looking at Plato and Aristotle and the question we were posing ourself is where do we get concepts from? 401 00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:56,660 How do we acquire knowledge of the meaning of a word? 402 00:43:56,660 --> 00:44:03,020 If you explain knowledge of a meaning of word in terms of a concept, then it just pushes the question back. 403 00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:07,340 One. What's a concept and where do we get concepts from? 404 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:16,100 Plato says we recognise the forms or rather we contemplate the forms before birth and then after birth, 405 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:21,020 we're reminded of these forms in instances we see around ourselves. 406 00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:28,160 Aristotle says there's nothing before birth. We we come into being is a blank slate. 407 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,650 We see instances and that is the forming of a concept, rationalist and empiricists. 408 00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:37,790 Here they are hundreds of years later, still quarrelling about the same thing. 409 00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:39,260 And you better believe it. 410 00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:46,250 We're still quarrelling about it because there is still rationalism and there is still empiricists and it hasn't been decided at all. 411 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:56,570 The rationalist Descartes, Liveness and Spinoza were really only quarrelling now about key concepts like causation, rationality. 412 00:44:56,570 --> 00:45:02,090 Space is another one. Actually, space is quite a good one. 413 00:45:02,090 --> 00:45:08,600 Do you think that when a baby is born as it first starts to to experience things? 414 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:15,540 Does it experience things at a distance or does it experience everything in two dimensions? 415 00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:21,560 And it's only as it starts to move that it puts together things at a distance. 416 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:27,770 So here you are. You're a baby. You're lying in your cot. You see this two dimensional array. 417 00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:31,910 There's the bars we know. The bars, the cot in your mother's face and so on and so forth. 418 00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:38,420 But all the baby sees is this two dimensional array. But it's moving its limbs like this. 419 00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:43,250 And at one point it hits out and something goes out. 420 00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:54,190 Now the baby starts to correlate the owl with that bit of the two dimensional array and its movement like that. 421 00:45:54,190 --> 00:46:00,650 And it soon starts to learn that actually, in order to touch something that looks like that, I've got to move like this. 422 00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:08,060 Do this. And if I touch you hard enough, you'll go out. Or you might say, if I say say something when I touch you. 423 00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:12,290 Well, let's say it works. But you see, 424 00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:25,400 I could either be born seeing things at a distance or I could construct my concept of space from the experience of correlating what I see, 425 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:32,550 how I move and what I hear, touch, etc. 426 00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:41,180 Maybe more fully. Fully. 427 00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:57,230 Oh, yes, I read about it. Yeah. Well, that's one argument for that would be rationalism, that there's some sort of innate fear of falling. 428 00:46:57,230 --> 00:47:01,130 Okay. Let's move on from sorry. This is a wimp. 429 00:47:01,130 --> 00:47:05,720 If you want to know more about these people, you're gonna have to come and do some lectures. Right. 430 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:13,150 Let's move on to something completely different. Let's move on to ethics or ethics and politics. 431 00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:16,850 Okay. The Utilitarians and the de ontologies, 432 00:47:16,850 --> 00:47:26,570 it's the Utilitarians believes that the right action is the action that produces the greatest happiness of the greatest number. 433 00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:30,770 Okay. Let's think about this. What does this mean? 434 00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:35,610 This means that, okay, if we're looking at what is it for something to be right. 435 00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:39,530 Okay. What is it for an action to be the morally right action? 436 00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:44,780 Utilitarians say look for the action that produces the greatest happiness of the greatest number. 437 00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:54,080 And that will be the right action. Okay. What do people think about that theory? 438 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,630 It's certainly true. We've got to start defining things because what is happiness? 439 00:47:59,630 --> 00:48:06,480 There's a question for you. What is happiness? Anyone want to have a go at that? 440 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,100 I can't I can't resist this. We're having a romp. So I'm going to do it anyway. 441 00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:16,860 Okay. Two theories about happiness. One of them is that it's a subjective experience. 442 00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:27,120 Okay. A certain feeling. And the other is that it's both a certain feeling and the beliefs that cause that feeling. 443 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,320 OK, so the beliefs that caused the feeling must be true. Here's an amazing answer. 444 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,660 You think you believe yourself to be very happily married. Okay. 445 00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:46,200 Your your delirious, everything's going well for you, etc. Then you discover that your partner, your spouse has been playing away. 446 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,570 Okay. Has that taken away the happiness you had before? 447 00:48:51,570 --> 00:49:01,680 In other words, were you happy and then you stopped being happy when you learnt this, or were you not happy all along? 448 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,760 Put up your hands if you think that you were happy before and you're not. 449 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:15,270 Now. OK. Anyone prepared to take the Aristotelian view pop for me? 450 00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:18,960 No. You've got no no courage. 451 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:25,050 Okay. That actually to a concept. 452 00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:30,810 I mean, there isn't one unitary thing, which is what people understand as being happen. 453 00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:35,880 It's not true. Think about it. I mean, there are lots of things that make us happy. 454 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:44,730 No, I would say I mean, happiness can be, for instance, a temporary experience, a sense of joy. 455 00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:53,280 Well, that's what I'm talking about is a subjective experience. It can also be a general contentment. 456 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,060 Okay, well, I'm putting those together. Business. Yeah. 457 00:49:57,060 --> 00:50:00,780 Contentment. Long term. OK. 458 00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:04,700 Different from feeling elated. Enjoy it. 459 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:08,430 OK. But do you see that there's a subjective experience in both of them. 460 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:11,520 Let me put the Aristotelian question to you another way. 461 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:21,510 You see, Aristotle comes up everywhere and let's say that some famous scientist comes to the government, 462 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:31,020 comes the prime minister, and says, I have a machine such that if we attach everybody to it, they will become deliriously happy. 463 00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:35,850 We can either let them off the machine every now and again so that they can do things 464 00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:40,200 that can keep people alive or we can leave a few of them off the machines permanently, 465 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,200 do all the stuff and leave everyone else attached to the machine. 466 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:50,940 Now, if you were a utilitarian prime minister, ought you to say yes to attaching everyone to this machine? 467 00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:57,540 Okay. Now, let's say that this machine causes you to believe that you're doing things like going to philosophy lectures, 468 00:50:57,540 --> 00:51:01,320 listening to people talk about philosophy. 469 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:07,530 I don't know what else is seeing your grandchildren or making weddings for your children, all that sort of thing. 470 00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:12,360 Okay, so you believe that you've had the sort of life let's make it exactly your sort of life. 471 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:18,830 These are the beliefs you have. But actually, all you've ever done is be attached to this machine. 472 00:51:18,830 --> 00:51:23,420 Okay. Because that's making you happier than anything else would. 473 00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:27,610 Are you happy? Who thinks you are. 474 00:51:27,610 --> 00:51:31,980 Happy. Oh, well done. 475 00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:33,900 OK. Only two of you now. 476 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:44,220 But listen, if happiness is nothing other than a subjective feeling in your own head, you must be happy because you've got that. 477 00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:52,040 New, so those of you who thought that happiness was a subjective feeling inside your own head ought to be putting your hands up here. 478 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,910 If you're going to be consistent. But actually, none of us believe that you are. 479 00:51:55,910 --> 00:52:01,400 I'm sorry to have you believe that you would be happy under that circumstance. 480 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,440 Of course it does. And that's what we're actually doing. 481 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:11,330 These thought experiments are precisely designed to test what happiness is or what you understand by the word happiness. 482 00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:20,120 I'm with our Sutil on this one. I think that if you were attached the happiness happiness machine, you would falsely believe you were happy, 483 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:29,230 but you wouldn't be happy because happiness involves the truth of the beliefs on which your happiness is based. 484 00:52:29,230 --> 00:52:37,650 Okay, that's Aristotle, you element the judgement average. 485 00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:42,090 Yes. As I said when we moved, I mean, we all romping through. 486 00:52:42,090 --> 00:52:50,940 Yeah, we've been doing metaphysics and epistemology and philosophy of language and we're now doing ethics and political philosophy. 487 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:56,210 OK. 18TH century. No, 488 00:52:56,210 --> 00:53:03,350 I'm just at random picking out things that I think you'll find interesting 489 00:53:03,350 --> 00:53:08,300 because my job is to enthuse you with the idea that philosophy is a good thing. 490 00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:13,740 So this is entirely arbitrary, the choice. I'm choosing things because I think you'll enjoy them. 491 00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:20,240 Actually, philosophy is quite hard work, as you might have already discovered. You have to do a lot of thinking. 492 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,920 But yet we've moved to ethics here, ethics and politics. OK. 493 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,860 That's the utilitarian and the right action is the action that produces the greatest happiness of the greatest number. 494 00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:36,910 And you said, what's happiness? And we then dive, digressed for ten minutes on what happiness is. 495 00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:41,390 So I couldn't resist it. It's a good one, that one, isn't it? Let's go back. 496 00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:47,450 This is the right action. The one that produces the greatest happiness of the greatest number. 497 00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:55,750 Why not? Can anyone think of a counterexample? For example, people if you took a poll. 498 00:53:55,750 --> 00:54:00,640 Right. And that's the greatest number of things. 499 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:10,070 You could make them happy. Okay. You could say that to bring back happy hanging would make more people happy than not. 500 00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:17,210 Does that make it right? Well, if you're a utilitarian, you would presumably have to say that it would. 501 00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:22,790 But if you don't say that your you might prefer to be a day ontologies, a day ontologies. 502 00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:28,040 Is someone who says that there is something called the moral law. 503 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,300 And the right action is that which accords with the moral law. 504 00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:39,020 So you might say, let's take an example like. 505 00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:45,800 There's a sheriff in a western town, I hate this example, but it happens to have come to mind, so go on with it. 506 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:52,310 There's been some raping and pillaging around this town and everyone's very upset and there's bound to be riots and so on. 507 00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:57,800 And you have in your cells a tramp who doesn't have any family. 508 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,440 He's very depressed. He wants to die. And you think I. 509 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:09,170 I know. Sorry. I've got to write in to the person who's been perpetrating these rate rapes has died. 510 00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:15,830 And you can't prove that. But what you do think is if I hang this tramp, I'm giving him what he wants, he's gonna be happy. 511 00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:22,220 I'm giving everyone else what they want. I'm going to say he committed the rapes and I'm going to hang him. 512 00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:28,310 It's going to make everyone happy. Should I do it? Should I hang an innocent man? 513 00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:33,020 No. Okay. So utilitarianism has got to be wrong. 514 00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:43,880 What are we going on? Always saying thou shalt not kill an innocent person. 515 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,260 Don't get me on to that. The moral law is universal. That would be the idea. 516 00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:53,400 It pertains to everyone whether they know it or not. 517 00:55:53,400 --> 00:56:04,670 Okay. Whether they believe it or not. Many would not be true happiness based on the death. 518 00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:08,470 You mean if they knew that he was innocent, they wouldn't be happy? It's certainly true. 519 00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:12,200 You're right. You've got to build in certain epistemological things. 520 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:19,130 In other words, things to do with knowledge. Yes. If you found out that he'd hung an innocent man, you wouldn't be happy, would you? 521 00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:25,410 So you've got to write into the thought experiment that you wouldn't find out, which I agree is. 522 00:56:25,410 --> 00:56:31,340 Yes. OK. A dance ologists, the right action is that which accords with the moral law. 523 00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:39,050 Thou shalt not kill. And that looks to be the moral law on which the you shouldn't hang an innocent man is based, doesn't it? 524 00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:45,890 Well, is it true? Should you not kill? I mean, is there any circumstance in which killing would be the right thing to do? 525 00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:54,770 Do you think more? Let's let's put more on one side, because we let's look at the laws. 526 00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:58,460 You shouldn't kill an innocent in peace time, shall we? How about that? 527 00:56:58,460 --> 00:57:06,710 Is there any situation which killing an innocent in peacetime would be the right thing to do? 528 00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:20,040 All right. Let's scrub animals, too. Let's talk about human beings. 529 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:26,310 Okay, well, we might even put that on one. I let let's make things really hard for the day ontology lists. 530 00:57:26,310 --> 00:57:34,550 I'm looking for a time when it would be right to kill a perfectly healthy, ordinary adult human being. 531 00:57:34,550 --> 00:57:39,580 Have I left anything out? Not in war time. Who is innocent? 532 00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:44,910 So it's OK. I think that counts as war. 533 00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:48,830 Actually, let me tell you, a circumstance does I think this might go on too long. 534 00:57:48,830 --> 00:57:55,700 Okay. This was a true story. There's a there was a ship that was on fire just off the coast of Australia. 535 00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:57,470 This was a few years ago. 536 00:57:57,470 --> 00:58:06,050 And the only way of saving the ship on which there were hundreds of sailors was by turning off the oxygen in the engine room, 537 00:58:06,050 --> 00:58:12,110 turning off the oxygen in an engine room and killing the four sailors who were in the engine room. 538 00:58:12,110 --> 00:58:16,700 Should the captain have turned off the oxygen in the engine room? 539 00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:25,490 Put your hands up if you think he should say yes. 540 00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:29,210 Okay. I'm amazed that not all of it usually everyone puts their hands up. 541 00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:33,680 But okay, if you think that he should kill those sailors, they're innocent. 542 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,590 It's wartime. But the fact is, killing those four means saving the hundreds. 543 00:58:39,590 --> 00:58:48,650 And most people at that point swing straight into utilitarianism. Yeah, that's true. 544 00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:53,540 But the fact is, you're still killing. You're breaking the moral law. 545 00:58:53,540 --> 00:59:02,360 If that's what the moral lawyers by saying, by killing those four, in which case we're moving over to utilitarianism. 546 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:09,830 The utilitarian thinks that the only rights that you have as a human being are not inviolable. 547 00:59:09,830 --> 00:59:14,730 In other words, that you have the rights that you have because it leads to the greatest happiness, 548 00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:19,340 the greatest number for you to be treated as if you have rights. 549 00:59:19,340 --> 00:59:26,360 But if killing you is what's going to produce the greatest happiness of the greatest number, then you're right. 550 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:35,180 Disappears, okay? In fact, it becomes my duty to kill you if your life is standing in the way of the greatest happiness of the greatest number. 551 00:59:35,180 --> 00:59:41,480 It's my duty to turn off the oxygen in the engine room. If that's the only way I can save the hundreds of other people. 552 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:47,810 So what we see is, whereas the day ontology lists can recognise a right that's inviolable. 553 00:59:47,810 --> 00:59:53,120 The Utilitarians can't. For the utilitarian, it's always secondary to the great happiness to grace. 554 00:59:53,120 --> 01:00:00,020 No. Here is thinking that they're a utilitarian. 555 01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:03,050 Put your hands up. If you don't know. I've done my job, actually. 556 01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:09,740 So for example, if you hadn't turned it off, they would affect you killing everybody. 557 01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:14,680 So you'll be. Well, I wouldn't because I wouldn't have done anything, would I? Yes, why not? 558 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:22,310 And he's not happy with the way you take your choice. Well, would you violate your moral right? 559 01:00:22,310 --> 01:00:25,850 It depends whether you think of acts and omissions as the same thing. 560 01:00:25,850 --> 01:00:29,300 Actually, if you're in day ontologies and you go for don't kill. 561 01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:40,820 You probably also have a distinction between acts and omissions where your acts can be morally culpable, but your emissions can't be. 562 01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:50,060 Which is an interesting one. Well, if you think about it, my eucalyptus tree died, it died of lack of water. 563 01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:57,900 Queen Elizabeth didn't water it. So she's to blame for the death of my eucalyptus tree. 564 01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:03,570 I mean, had she watered it, it would've lived, isn't it? Isn't that true? 565 01:01:03,570 --> 01:01:15,150 Isn't that a causal relation? Therefore, Queen Elizabeth is responsible for the death of my eucalyptus. 566 01:01:15,150 --> 01:01:19,710 That's true. But she's still responsible if you're responsible for your emissions. 567 01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:23,160 I mean, it's true. She didn't water it, isn't it? It's true. 568 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:29,880 It's dead. Okay. 569 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,900 This is not comparing like with like. 570 01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:45,980 I mean, the ontology introduced the concept that somehow you're not utilitarian. 571 01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:52,680 You know what we are discussing. 572 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:59,280 Do you remember before we were talking about what the question was, is how do we get the meanings for all words? 573 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:07,010 How do we form concepts? The one we're looking at here is what is it for an action to be right? 574 01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:12,710 OK. We all distinguish between actions that are right and actions that are wrong, don't we? 575 01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:20,380 That's a very human thing. Humans are moral agents. We divide the world up into things that are right and things that are wrong. 576 01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:24,830 And the thing that a philosopher wants to know is how do we do this? 577 01:02:24,830 --> 01:02:29,420 What what is it that makes an action, right? What is it that makes an action wrong? 578 01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:33,650 And these are two different theories about that. 579 01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:40,340 One theory says what makes an action, right is that it's produces the greatest happiness, the greatest number. 580 01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:46,950 And the other theory says no. What makes an action right is in effect, just that it is right. 581 01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:53,000 It's laid down by the moral law. As you say, you do see that. 582 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,890 So they are talking about the same thing, 583 01:02:54,890 --> 01:03:01,710 but they are you're also right that they are different because they're giving different explanations of the same thing. 584 01:03:01,710 --> 01:03:14,470 And they're contradictory explanations, so they can't both be true then, whether the moral or moral law you said was universal once well before time. 585 01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:21,160 The moral law. The idea if you can't for free. I mean, if you're if you believe in the Ten Commandments, 586 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,900 you think that the moral law comes from God and that it's revelation that tells you what it is. 587 01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:34,180 If you're a Kantian, you believe that the moral law is something that's perceived by human beings through intuition. 588 01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:39,790 In other words, we have five senses sensory that enable us to perceive the world. 589 01:03:39,790 --> 01:03:46,270 But we have another. It's not a sense, but it's it's a way of discerning what's right and wrong. 590 01:03:46,270 --> 01:03:53,590 So you actually you see something you see in action and you get a strong feeling of approbation or disapprobation. 591 01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:59,620 That's your moral intuition at work and it's your moral intuition that tells you what is and what isn't. 592 01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:11,290 The moral law, in a sense that seems to have the same difficulty as the issue about Plato in the form it's acting in an unnecessary person. 593 01:04:11,290 --> 01:04:14,480 Well, if it's on Nesson, no, hang on. 594 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:25,450 In a sense that this so-called moral law, rather than a sixth sense or something, is derived from God, postulate something which is unnecessary. 595 01:04:25,450 --> 01:04:31,260 It could actually just come through experience and empathy. 596 01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:42,070 Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the moral law, you might say, okay, here's another way of looking at the moral law. 597 01:04:42,070 --> 01:04:49,070 If you think of absolutism versus relativism, the relativist says that. 598 01:04:49,070 --> 01:04:57,470 All moral truth is relative to something or other relative to an individual or relative to a community or a culture or something like that. 599 01:04:57,470 --> 01:05:07,610 Whereas the absolutists will say that there are certain things that are true everywhere for everyone at every time, whether they know it or not. 600 01:05:07,610 --> 01:05:12,700 Now, if I ask you whether your relatives saw absolutists, most of you will probably put up your hand. 601 01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:14,930 Say you're relativists. 602 01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:21,170 But what all then point out, you'll see that I'm speeding up because I've got two things to get through and it's not gonna happen. 603 01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:30,990 Okay. Here are two different sorts of moral law. 604 01:05:30,990 --> 01:05:41,400 Don't kill all. Produced the greatest happiness of the greatest number. 605 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:47,280 Notice that you did utilitarianism is an absolutist moral creed. 606 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,330 It's not a relativist moral creed. And here's the Kantian one. 607 01:05:51,330 --> 01:06:08,160 Never treat yourself or another solely as a means to your own ends run out of room. 608 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:18,390 What can says is that the categorical imperative. The only thing that is the moral law is the claim that I must treat you as an end in yourself, 609 01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:23,910 which means I must allow you to make up your own mind about how you want to live your life. 610 01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:28,020 If I want you to carry my suitcase for me, I can ask you to do it. 611 01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:32,680 That's treating you as a means, but as if I'm allowing you to say no. 612 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:41,720 I'm also treating you as an end. Whereas if I trick you into carrying my suitcase, I'm treating you as nothing more than a means to my end. 613 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:51,950 It's my ends that are important. And what the Day Ontologies says is that if you're in and in yourself, you have intrinsic value. 614 01:06:51,950 --> 01:07:00,690 And in virtue of having intrinsic value, you have rights that are inviolable, that that can't be overruled. 615 01:07:00,690 --> 01:07:10,530 And that's the utilitarian won't say that because there is no such thing as a right that can't be overruled for the utilitarian. 616 01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:19,410 And just to put this in a slightly different way of looking at it, the utilitarian is thinking of actions when they think that something's right. 617 01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:28,530 They're always thinking of actions, whereas the de ontology ist are always thinking of will willing an intention. 618 01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:34,740 If you think of an action as goes back to what we're saying about reasons. 619 01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:45,330 Every action has an intention. The action itself and a consequence. 620 01:07:45,330 --> 01:07:52,620 OK, you don't get an action that is hasn't gotten intention. I mean, where you have causation, there isn't intention. 621 01:07:52,620 --> 01:08:00,630 But that when there's a reason there is intention on the utilitarians are concerned only with consequences. 622 01:08:00,630 --> 01:08:12,240 Whereas the day ontologies are concerned only with intentions. So Kant, for example, says that a good will is the only thing that's good in itself. 623 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:17,850 OK. Consequences are only good. Secondarily. The intention is there anything that's good in itself. 624 01:08:17,850 --> 01:08:25,200 So what your job is, is to obey the moral law as you understand it sincerely. 625 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:33,660 In other words, you mustn't be self-serving in doing that. We mustn't. Say, you know, well, lying is going to get me out of a hole here. 626 01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:37,050 Therefore, I'm going to lie. That is not the moral law. OK. 627 01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:41,980 You think, what's the right thing? What should I do here? And you do that thing. 628 01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:47,790 Okay. It's your. It's the duty that takes you into the area of morality. 629 01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:58,170 And that's another big difference between these two. But let's go back to to the core thing linking up with what this gentleman here said. 630 01:08:58,170 --> 01:09:03,750 What you've got is a question. What is it that makes an action, right? 631 01:09:03,750 --> 01:09:12,630 Or what is it that makes an action wrong? And as with any question, you're going to have postulated answers. 632 01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:20,880 People are going to put forward answers. And these are answers are theories that you're putting forward in the hope of answering your question. 633 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,970 Now, once again, this is alive debate. We don't know which is the right theory. 634 01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:28,310 But there are arguments. 635 01:09:28,310 --> 01:09:36,510 I mean, I've just given you a tip of an iceberg of the arguments giving you organs for and against these two different theories. 636 01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:40,350 As a matter of fact, we have no idea which is the right theory. 637 01:09:40,350 --> 01:09:45,570 Sometimes in one situation, one theory looks right. Sometimes in another situation, another theory looks right. 638 01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:53,580 And your job as philosophers is to look at the arguments on both sides and weigh them up against each other. 639 01:09:53,580 --> 01:10:00,120 And you'll probably find, as I have over my philosophical career, I started off as a utilitarian. 640 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,160 I then became a Kantian. I went back to utilitarian. I then went back to Kantian ism. 641 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,760 And at the moment I have absolutely no idea, 642 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:16,410 because the thing about the more you learn about the theory and the more you learn about how it works, the more strengths you see in it. 643 01:10:16,410 --> 01:10:22,850 So it does become actually quite difficult to decide. But at least, you know, you're not setting up straw men. 644 01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:30,210 You know, sometimes people say it's blindingly obvious that utilitarianism is wrong because of that sheriff example. 645 01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:35,020 OK. That seems pretty conclusive, didn't it? But think about utilitarianism. 646 01:10:35,020 --> 01:10:52,570 Could it justify genocide? I think you could say communism was at the time. 647 01:10:52,570 --> 01:10:58,990 Oh, yeah, absolute. Well, I mean, maybe Hitler was a good utilitarian. It's just that he didn't count Jews. 648 01:10:58,990 --> 01:11:04,470 Do you count animals? I mean, maybe our grandchildren are going to say all of us. 649 01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:08,310 Oh, they come for Sunday lunch. 650 01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:17,390 You know, it depends on who you count as a unit of or, you know, something that can have happiness if you don't count Jews than Hitler. 651 01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:29,560 You know, did he do the right thing? You know, if you don't count women, surely it's all right to abort females just because they're female and so on. 652 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:44,920 And you said, well, now you're into the area of moral truth, which is a major area case. 653 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:50,380 You didn't guess that. And I'll just leave you with one thought before I move on to utilitarianism. 654 01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:55,100 What's your name, sir? Michael. 655 01:11:55,100 --> 01:12:03,220 Michael. I don't think you said that first study that you were being kind to me, weren't you? 656 01:12:03,220 --> 01:12:12,150 Okay. Michael believes that Marianne is wearing black. 657 01:12:12,150 --> 01:12:16,120 Okay. There's one sentence there, isn't there? 658 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:23,830 And then there's another sentence there. So man is wearing black is one sentence that could be true or false. 659 01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:27,800 And Michael believes that Marian is wearing black is another sentence. Right. 660 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:34,020 Could they both be true? And that's probably the actual situation, isn't it? 661 01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:39,700 Could they both be false? No, no. 662 01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:45,990 Come on. I mean, if Michael wasn't here, he wouldn't have any beliefs about me, would he? 663 01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:52,470 So it would be false that he believes I'm wearing black. So that that what could I be wearing? 664 01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:57,200 Yellow. Right. 665 01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,140 Okay. Yes, I could be wearing yellow so they could both be false. Okay. 666 01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:06,300 Could that be true and that false. Yup. 667 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:09,870 So Michael believes that Marion's wearing black. But Marion isn't wearing black. 668 01:13:09,870 --> 01:13:15,970 He's colour-blind or something. And could that be true and that false? 669 01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:22,890 Yes. OK. So it's true. Marans wearing black. But as Michael didn't turn up today, he doesn't leave on wearing black. 670 01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:33,910 OK, now let's change that to mugging elderly ladies is okay. 671 01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:40,720 OK, so we've got Michael believes that mugging elderly ladies is okay. 672 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:46,540 What was that? Let's leave that on one side. 673 01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:51,430 We're doing logic at the moment. So we're looking at possible worlds rather than the actual one. 674 01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:55,590 Okay. We've still got one sentence within another, haven't we? 675 01:13:55,590 --> 01:14:02,380 OK. Could they both be true? Could they both be false? 676 01:14:02,380 --> 01:14:07,210 Could they both did it? We've got exactly the same possibilities, haven't we? 677 01:14:07,210 --> 01:14:14,790 The thing is that the truth of that belief, whether it's Marianne is wearing black or mugging elderly ladies is okay, 678 01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:21,100 is determined by something quite different from what determines the truth of that. 679 01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:28,770 That sentence is made true or false by Michael's beliefs, whereas that sentence is made true or false by what I'm wearing. 680 01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:33,190 Well, by whether it's okay to mug elderly ladies. 681 01:14:33,190 --> 01:14:46,430 So you've got to distinguish the epistemology. In other words, what we know or believe from the truth of our beliefs or what actually is the case. 682 01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:54,500 OK, so so you mustn't become a relativist just because you've made that logical blunder, must you? 683 01:14:54,500 --> 01:15:01,190 No, definitely not. OK. That's it. It's that sort of distinction that that philosophers have to use. 684 01:15:01,190 --> 01:15:06,260 Next week, we're going to look at logic and argument and we'll be looking very much at that sort of thing, 685 01:15:06,260 --> 01:15:12,770 because if you're not thinking clearly, you can't think about this sort of abstract thing at all. 686 01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:20,700 It's philosophers do it in the head. You know, they can't go into the into the laboratory and apply the rules of nature. 687 01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:25,160 What they're applying the whole time is the rules of logic, the laws of logic. 688 01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,890 And that's a good example of how logic can help you clarify something. 689 01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:36,050 Okay, let's let's move on to Vic Einstein. Okay. 690 01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:41,390 This early, it can start late. Vic Einstein. There's no such thing as Big Einstein. 691 01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:48,980 Well, there was, but, sir, he changed his mind all the time. Which, of course, is a sign of intellectual honesty. 692 01:15:48,980 --> 01:15:53,780 The early book Einstein said and noticed. We're back to the Plato Aristotle in Paris. 693 01:15:53,780 --> 01:16:00,410 This rat rationalist problem early begins. I thought words get their meaning by standing for objects. 694 01:16:00,410 --> 01:16:04,430 So what does chair mean? That. 695 01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:09,980 Okay, what does person mean that? What does purple mean that. 696 01:16:09,980 --> 01:16:25,310 And so on. And he believed that language is the reason we get meaning is we pick up something he called strict and literal truth conditions. 697 01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:29,310 Okay, we. Okay. Why do we think this. 698 01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:34,940 Let's take her. What's your name. Right at the back. 699 01:16:34,940 --> 01:16:38,920 Margaret. Let's say this is the fifth lecture. 700 01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,560 Margaret has come in late to every single lecture. Okay. 701 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,130 So we've sorted the fifth lectures. Ten minutes into it. Door flies open. 702 01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:49,460 I say hello Margaret. Early again. Okay. 703 01:16:49,460 --> 01:16:56,540 What's the meaning of what I've said? That she's late, isn't she? 704 01:16:56,540 --> 01:17:02,480 Now, isn't that interesting? What you've got here is you all understood a certain meaning. 705 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:09,980 But it was put in a certain context. And what you do is you took one meaning and inverted it, didn't you? 706 01:17:09,980 --> 01:17:18,140 How do you explain language, if that's what you can do? Well, here's one way you might explain it. 707 01:17:18,140 --> 01:17:26,150 Language is composed of strict and literal truth, conditions, conditions of truth and falsehood. 708 01:17:26,150 --> 01:17:33,170 So do you remember I said talking about read your teaching a child to learn the conditions under which this is read is true. 709 01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:40,430 And this is read is false. And then you say you've got esoteric sentences like this is read. 710 01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:45,830 Then you've got the work force. So you can say this is read. 711 01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:50,190 Or is this read or make that read or. So you apply a different force. 712 01:17:50,190 --> 01:17:55,300 You do something different with the sentence. Then you can add tone. 713 01:17:55,300 --> 01:18:03,620 So. Early again. Okay, the tone, the sarcasm in that case. 714 01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:10,380 But I mean, there are all sorts of other ones. I'm not angry. You see, we turned it around again. 715 01:18:10,380 --> 01:18:17,150 And in this context, you all laughed because I told you the story about Margaret coming in late every session, 716 01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:30,760 which is why when I said early again, Margaret, you you laughed. Okay, so the early Kingstone sort of thought that meaning was made up only of that. 717 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:37,780 Okay. And what that did was link a word with an object. 718 01:18:37,780 --> 01:18:48,470 Okay. So if you go back to Atomism, the democracies and the atoms, the idea was that every word gets meaning by standing for an object. 719 01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:53,270 And Vic and I drew huge metaphysical claims from this. 720 01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:58,100 He said words get meaning well. So words have meaning. 721 01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:03,830 It's a necessary condition of words having meaning. That word stands for objects. 722 01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:11,060 Therefore, words must sorry. Objects must exist. So much for scepticism. 723 01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:15,520 That's the end of scepticism, isn't it? Words do have meaning. 724 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:22,110 And if it's a necessary condition for words having meaning that objects exist, well, then we know that objects existed. 725 01:19:22,110 --> 01:19:27,770 They play bingo. It's good arguments, actually. 726 01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:31,550 As long as you do know that your words have meaning. But of course, if we. 727 01:19:31,550 --> 01:19:36,930 If they didn't. How would you be understanding the word that I'm saying now? 728 01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:42,410 OK. The later Vicky Einstein thought this was rubbish. 729 01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:46,700 What he thought is that words get meaning from the way they used. 730 01:19:46,700 --> 01:19:52,010 In other words. All of this is meaning. OK. 731 01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:58,310 So it isn't just that there's weak meaning and strong meaning, which is the way I put it. 732 01:19:58,310 --> 01:20:07,160 So here's a sentence. Can you read that? 733 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:12,230 OK. James is tall, is what it says. Okay. Do you understand that sentence? 734 01:20:12,230 --> 01:20:18,680 Yeah. Okay. So it has meaning, does it? Okay. Do you know whether it's true or false. 735 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,860 Why not. You don't know. 736 01:20:21,860 --> 01:20:28,550 I'm talking about do you. In fact, I'm not talking about anyone. I'm not even if there is someone called James here, I'm not talking about them. 737 01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:36,080 The thing is, this is a sentence that could be used, but it's not being used. 738 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:42,050 Do you see what I mean? I'm talking about a sentence rather than using a sentence. 739 01:20:42,050 --> 01:20:49,460 And because I'm talking about a sentence, it doesn't actually have meaning, does it? 740 01:20:49,460 --> 01:20:58,740 It has potential meaning. Maybe so you could call that meaning the week, meaning the strict and literal meaning. 741 01:20:58,740 --> 01:21:04,110 Or you could say that that actually doesn't have meaning because it doesn't have conditions of truth or falsehood. 742 01:21:04,110 --> 01:21:11,570 You don't know the meaning of that sentence because you don't know how to determine whether it's true or false. 743 01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:18,890 And the fact is, it's not true or false. It's neither true nor false because I'm not actually using the sentence at all. 744 01:21:18,890 --> 01:21:25,880 So the early Vic Einstein thought that that would that had meaning because each of these stood for an object. 745 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:30,320 OK. It could only have meaning because there was something that was being picked out by James. 746 01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:35,870 And there is something of property, as Aristotle would say, that's being picked out by is tool. 747 01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:40,820 Therefore, this has meaning the later Vic Einstein says, no, that's not true. 748 01:21:40,820 --> 01:21:44,690 It doesn't have meaning until you actually use it. 749 01:21:44,690 --> 01:21:50,360 It doesn't have meaning at all. It's only in use. So what's the meaning of. 750 01:21:50,360 --> 01:22:02,110 Hello, Margaret. Early again. No, no, the use I made of that particular token sentence had the meaning. 751 01:22:02,110 --> 01:22:06,550 You're late again, Margaret, didn't it? I asked you, what's the meaning of Hello, Margaret. 752 01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:12,070 Early again. I mean, actually, it has a different meaning, doesn't it? 753 01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:19,690 Depending on the context in which I use it and depending on the tone I use, so I'm not angry. 754 01:22:19,690 --> 01:22:25,480 What does that mean? Yes, that is all in the tone, isn't it? 755 01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:33,280 Yeah, in that one. So that's why the early vic. So you can see I mean, you went for his theory when I asked you if that had meaning. 756 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,990 But then you went for the other theory when we put it in context. 757 01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:43,000 So once again, you have a question, which is how do words get meaning? 758 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,420 What's what's the nature of the meaning of a word? 759 01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:52,480 And we have two different theories this time postulated by the same chap at different times in his life. 760 01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:59,470 And the question is, which is the right one? And there are good reasons actually on both sides. 761 01:22:59,470 --> 01:23:04,780 And of course, you've got to ask yourself, could it be that these two theories are actually consistent, 762 01:23:04,780 --> 01:23:13,830 that you need both of them for different aspects of meaning? I think in this case that that certainly is a. 763 01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:17,570 A real runner. It hasn't been in some of the other things we've seen. 764 01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:28,020 But on this one it is. I was thinking that they might stop. 765 01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:33,760 Yeah, the context. You're up to. 766 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:38,410 Right. That humour, humour depends utterly on logic. I mean, this is logic. 767 01:23:38,410 --> 01:23:45,420 This is philosophy of language and logic. And you don't get to humour without the logic being. 768 01:23:45,420 --> 01:23:52,070 Right. The grammar being right. Again, perhaps next week we'll give you some example of that. 769 01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:55,970 Okay. I'm going to move on to the last one. OK. 770 01:23:55,970 --> 01:24:03,730 Let's link this with what I was saying earlier about happiness. 771 01:24:03,730 --> 01:24:08,320 Let me ask you a question. Okay. Do you all have a belief about me? 772 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,510 I mean, I have several beliefs about me, but just one will do any belief about me. 773 01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:24,660 Okay, fine. Do you think you could have that very belief even if I didn't exist? 774 01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:30,300 Okay, so if I didn't exist, you couldn't have that belief, your belief would be different. 775 01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:36,520 It made maybe it wouldn't exist at all. But at least it would be different. Yeah, remarkable consensus that. 776 01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:42,030 Okay. Let me tell you another story. You've heard of Descartes. 777 01:24:42,030 --> 01:24:50,090 I should imagine. Okay. Descartes argued that the world could be completely other than we take it to be. 778 01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:54,090 Okay. So we all think that we're in a lecture room. 779 01:24:54,090 --> 01:25:01,200 We're looking at a lecturer. We're listening to a lecture cetera. Could it be with you exactly as it is now? 780 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:11,630 And yet that belief be false. OK, so what's your reason for thinking your intellectual? 781 01:25:11,630 --> 01:25:18,740 Because you are well, do you know that your senses tell you? 782 01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:25,880 Okay. You can see me. You can hear me, et cetera. That's another way of the testimony of others. 783 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,220 Yes. Okay. Now, could it be with you that you believe you see me. 784 01:25:30,220 --> 01:25:33,980 But you don't. Okay. Could you give me an example? 785 01:25:33,980 --> 01:25:42,140 I mean, let's make it realistic. Well, maybe you could be. 786 01:25:42,140 --> 01:25:45,800 You could wake up any minute and think, oh, God, I've got to go to that lecture this afternoon. 787 01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:50,360 What a bore. So you could be with you exactly as it is now. 788 01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:55,290 And yet you're not being in the lecture theatre. You're having a lucid dream. 789 01:25:55,290 --> 01:26:06,240 Descartes went one first, not because you believe, don't you, that you're having experiences and that your experiences are being caused by something. 790 01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:14,240 Okay. You're having an experience as of a lecturer. And that experience is being caused by a lecturer. 791 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:25,040 Don't you? What makes you think that? Can you get outside your experiences to see what's causing them? 792 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:30,830 No. Well, then how do you know you wouldn't be I wouldn't be here if you didn't want me to be. 793 01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:35,060 Believe me, I wouldn't be here if I didn't want you to be here. 794 01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:39,790 We will leave. No, that's not true either. 795 01:26:39,790 --> 01:26:44,820 You might not need me here at all. Nine, but still be. No, no, no. 796 01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:48,130 We're all. Because there's only two minutes to go. 797 01:26:48,130 --> 01:26:53,810 I'm going to draw this. Okay. Do you remember we talked about causation. 798 01:26:53,810 --> 01:27:02,630 If you're going to know that that causes that, OK, you need to see that they're correlated, that these types events are correlated. 799 01:27:02,630 --> 01:27:06,680 If you think that this is similar to that, you need to be standing here, don't you? 800 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:16,810 You need to be able to see both. Now, you think that your experiences of P are caused by P? 801 01:27:16,810 --> 01:27:23,330 Okay. Can you stand here with respect to your experiences? 802 01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:29,180 No. Where are you standing with respect to your experiences here? Okay. 803 01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:35,980 You cannot get outside your experiences to determine what's causing those experiences. 804 01:27:35,980 --> 01:27:45,590 So nevertheless, you believe very strongly that not only are your experiences being caused by something external to them, 805 01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:54,200 but also that your experiences are a good guide to the cause of those experiences and what Descartes did, he said. 806 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,830 Why do you believe that not? Why do you believe that? 807 01:27:57,830 --> 01:28:00,710 But what's your justification for believing that? 808 01:28:00,710 --> 01:28:08,180 Could it be that instead of your experiences being caused by a philosopher sounding lecturing to you, 809 01:28:08,180 --> 01:28:17,230 there's an evil demon of some kind who is twiddling your thought processes and causing you to think so. 810 01:28:17,230 --> 01:28:23,660 Your experience is all caused by something, but the cause is completely offers a new take it to be. 811 01:28:23,660 --> 01:28:31,160 Is that a possibility? Can you tell me that that isn't the case? 812 01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:36,870 It could be neurological reasons. I mean, this is why. 813 01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:41,690 Well, let's think about your own body, okay? 814 01:28:41,690 --> 01:28:46,850 You think you've got a body, don't you? Could the demon get in between you and your body? 815 01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:51,320 Could it be that that you although you think you have a hand. 816 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:56,390 Actually, you don't. You think you have a body and actually you don't. 817 01:28:56,390 --> 01:29:05,910 There's just your thoughts and experiences. And the causes of them, which is the demon, do you see what I mean? 818 01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:14,050 The brain isn't going to help you here. And neither are other people, actually, because your brain is on the other side of the demon. 819 01:29:14,050 --> 01:29:18,610 And so's you. So are your sir. Other people. 820 01:29:18,610 --> 01:29:28,670 So what Descartes did is he he opens up a gap. It may look like a pussycat, but it's a demon. 821 01:29:28,670 --> 01:29:32,960 And this is the world. And this is your mind. 822 01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:41,510 And Descartes showed that this could be or at least he argued, rather this could be exactly as it is lost. 823 01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:49,210 This could be totally other or might not even exist. 824 01:29:49,210 --> 01:29:59,710 So was Descartes an intern list or an external list? 825 01:29:59,710 --> 01:30:06,790 Is he what? He's an intern. Exactly, so he believes that our thoughts could be exactly as they are. 826 01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:14,380 Even if the world were completely different. Now, let's go back to the question with which I started this little bit of the session. 827 01:30:14,380 --> 01:30:23,440 You have a belief about me. Could you have that very belief if I didn't exist? 828 01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:28,420 What would you have to say if you were an intern list? Yes. 829 01:30:28,420 --> 01:30:34,000 OK. Does that make you an extern less than. 830 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,320 Yes. You're sort of nodding, but you're not very sure about this. Okay. 831 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:45,200 Does that mean you're rejecting the Cartesian thought experiment? You are if you're an externals. 832 01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:51,780 That's right. Do you think the Carthusian thought experiment is incoherent? 833 01:30:51,780 --> 01:30:57,610 You do? Would you like to tell me what's incoherent about it? 834 01:30:57,610 --> 01:31:02,410 Can you be sure that the world is as you experience it? 835 01:31:02,410 --> 01:31:11,280 Sure, that is. We're talking about certainty here. Not just. It's unknowable. 836 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,900 Yes, Molly, if it is unknowable, then your you're with the ense, the intern lists, aren't you? 837 01:31:16,900 --> 01:31:23,250 Because if you're an extern list, your beliefs are the way they are, because the world is the way it is. 838 01:31:23,250 --> 01:31:27,600 In other words, your belief about me is a relation between you and me. 839 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:32,430 OK? It's not something that's going on in your heads completely independently of me. 840 01:31:32,430 --> 01:31:42,810 It's a relation between you and me. Therefore, if I don't exist, you couldn't have that belief and all your intuitions were that way initially. 841 01:31:42,810 --> 01:31:50,040 But then I told the Descartes story, the Cartesian story, which is pretty convincing, isn't it? 842 01:31:50,040 --> 01:32:00,620 So your homework this week is to go away and worry about the Cartesian story and ask yourself whether you're an internal list or an external list. 843 01:32:00,620 --> 01:32:17,262 OK, we've gone slightly over time. If there are any questions, I'm happy to take them.