1 00:00:05,470 --> 00:00:09,040 I've got a fantastic second keynote speaker, Professor Rob Miller. 2 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:14,740 So Rob is the chair and Aristotle, technology director of the Little Lab at the University of Cambridge, 3 00:00:14,740 --> 00:00:19,540 director of the Rolls Royce University Technology Centre at the University Campus, as well. 4 00:00:19,540 --> 00:00:23,080 He's also a member of the Department for Transport Science Advisory Council, 5 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:30,500 and his research focuses on the decarbonisation of the aerospace and power generation sectors and works closely with industry in his work. 6 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:36,310 Now, having spoken to Rob, having looked at some of his is what he's led a number of really amazing initiatives over the years, 7 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:41,220 which brought a huge amount of insight into how he might accelerate the development of solutions to tackle climate change. 8 00:00:41,220 --> 00:00:45,190 He's learnt a lot from these lessons. What lessons from his experiences? 9 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:52,720 So with that, I hand over to rob I. We look forward to your talk. Thank you very much, Thomas. 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:01:05,020 OK, so thank you for that kind introduction and really everything I'm going to talk about today, hopefully is going to end up in the building. 11 00:01:05,020 --> 00:01:14,650 You can see behind you on the first slide, which really is everything we've sort of learnt at the wet lab has been put into this new building, 12 00:01:14,650 --> 00:01:28,030 which we, we hope will enable us to drive innovative solutions at pace and scale to tackle the climate crisis in flight and land based power. 13 00:01:28,030 --> 00:01:42,900 Next slide. So to give you a bit of background to the Western laboratory, I think it's summed up by this photograph, 14 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:50,280 you can see and this is the opening at the lab 50 years ago. And you can see Frank Whittle in the middle and really the team around. 15 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:58,470 Emma is mostly Cambridge team who went off and invented the jet engine in nineteen thirty seven. 16 00:01:58,470 --> 00:02:04,290 You can see on the left this is the John Horlock who did a lot of the early design 17 00:02:04,290 --> 00:02:09,250 methods at Rolls and was the first director of the lab on his direct right. 18 00:02:09,250 --> 00:02:12,120 You've got. And so William Hawthorne, 19 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:21,210 who developed the combustion chamber on the first engine had of engineering in Cambridge and on the far right Bob Fielden of Kings College Cambridge, 20 00:02:21,210 --> 00:02:27,900 who was let his Whittles design team and then went off and founded land based gas turbines at Rustan's. 21 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:32,550 Now Siemens UK and Lincoln, and the importance of this slide, I think, 22 00:02:32,550 --> 00:02:40,380 is that these people were as happy in academia as they were in industry, and they crossed the boundaries frequently. 23 00:02:40,380 --> 00:02:47,670 And that was really the driving influence to a lot of the technologies, the primary technologies in universities, 24 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:55,260 making it into the product over the last sort of 50 years we've built at the Weta lab on this on the right, 25 00:02:55,260 --> 00:03:01,230 you'll see Rolls-Royce, Mitsubishi and Siemens, and we've been major industrial partners. 26 00:03:01,230 --> 00:03:06,450 That's 50 years Dyson for eight years, Boeing, Lilium and reaction engines. 27 00:03:06,450 --> 00:03:14,880 Recently and pre-pandemic, any day you'd walk into the Weta lab and around the table, you would see designers in these companies. 28 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:21,110 And similarly, if you were in these companies, you'd see with a lot of people hanging around. 29 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:26,260 Which brings in just under 10 percent of the entire university's industrial income. 30 00:03:26,260 --> 00:03:33,890 And, you know, many people would say you either do sort of industrially focussed work or academic research, 31 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:41,360 but for us it's brought sort of academic success that the the big prise in the field is called Gas Turbine Award, 32 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,950 given once a year by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers. 33 00:03:45,950 --> 00:03:50,820 It's 1963 and and the Whistle Lab is one it 10 us less last 16 years. 34 00:03:50,820 --> 00:03:57,770 And I think that really is down to those industrial links, allowing us to find the real problems. 35 00:03:57,770 --> 00:04:10,490 OK, next slide. So what's what's what's the what's the problem that government industry academic boundary is trying to tackle? 36 00:04:10,490 --> 00:04:19,610 Well, we have to decarbonise by 2050, as you know, and this is an interesting graph you can see here. 37 00:04:19,610 --> 00:04:30,440 The y axis is CO2 emissions from aviation. And then you've got year on the x axis and the solid red line you can see is affected data. 38 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:39,050 The dashed red line going forward is the ikos prediction of what the emissions from aviation will be. 39 00:04:39,050 --> 00:04:52,220 So you see it nearly doubling by 2050, and that graph has got in it an assumption of a two percent improvement in reduction in fuel burn per year. 40 00:04:52,220 --> 00:05:01,490 And that's tough because over the last 20, 30 years, we've only achieved 1.5 percent with everybody working really hard. 41 00:05:01,490 --> 00:05:11,240 And the graph we've got to get to is the green one. And as energy, you know who work in industry, the hardest thing is picking a graph. 42 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,260 You know, there's billions of dollars being put into investment to get the graph even as good as it is. 43 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:23,030 So we're going to have to do something dramatically different if we want to get onto that green curve. 44 00:05:23,030 --> 00:05:28,100 Now I'm going to argue that to decarbonise by 2050, 45 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:37,910 we're going to going to need to develop more technologies of a wider variety of types in a shorter timescale. 46 00:05:37,910 --> 00:05:47,910 So the question is, how do we do that? Next slide. So and what happens at present and what is the limit? 47 00:05:47,910 --> 00:05:50,130 Why are we on that top graph? 48 00:05:50,130 --> 00:06:00,270 Well, the aviation sector has been stable for about 40 years, and that has led to a sector in which the sub system boundaries. 49 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:05,730 And when I say subsystem boundaries, I mean the divide between the people who make the engines, 50 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:10,620 the people who make the planes, the people who do the airports, all within the companies, 51 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:18,660 the people who design the compressors or just turbines or combust as those subsystem boundaries have been frozen for decades. 52 00:06:18,660 --> 00:06:28,590 And the result is a research network that has encouraged each person, each silo, to specialise and optimise what they're doing. 53 00:06:28,590 --> 00:06:31,890 And I'd argue this has two major consequences. 54 00:06:31,890 --> 00:06:41,970 So if you look on the left, this is a typical technology developments process and used by the aerospace industry, 55 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:46,590 and you can see the technical technology development silos in it. 56 00:06:46,590 --> 00:06:53,070 So this shows the y axis is technology readiness level and the x axis is yes. 57 00:06:53,070 --> 00:07:05,190 So if somebody has an idea down at the zero and it shows it takes 10 years to get back to a point where you can take it into a product. 58 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:14,340 And the reason for that is you'll see, you know, in the blue, this is like a PhD going on in a specialist lab and then it moves over to the red. 59 00:07:14,340 --> 00:07:19,170 This is a sort of a higher technology readiness of medium speed regs. 60 00:07:19,170 --> 00:07:26,190 So at a different country, and this might be it coming to a UK aerospace company to do some design. 61 00:07:26,190 --> 00:07:32,490 And then it's got the big rig test has to be manufactured and then it might go off to Germany to test. 62 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:41,010 And this whole process is slowing and putting it across the boundaries is where the 10 years come from that comes from. 63 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:50,940 And this is not abnormal. So there was a report in 1999 by NASA where they analysed a range of technologies and they found an average of eight years. 64 00:07:50,940 --> 00:07:54,870 And I can tell you from my work with Mitsubishi or Siemens, this is not unusual. 65 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:59,880 Around eight years from its product, it's the norm. 66 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:04,090 The second problem is on the right, and that's discipline silos. 67 00:08:04,090 --> 00:08:12,310 So typically, if you have an idea for a new zero carbon technology, 68 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:17,730 we've analysed those technologies that the future ones that will be needed for flight. 69 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:23,040 And we found that 92 percent of them were highly multidisciplinary in nature. 70 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:29,580 So it's very hard to fit them into any of the research labs at the moment that a relatively specialist. 71 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:37,050 And so I would argue that the current technology development system will take a long time to move. 72 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:46,050 These technologies might get product and will miss the best solutions in new areas in the design space that don't fit with the silos. 73 00:08:46,050 --> 00:08:55,830 Next slide. OK, so we're going to try and I want to show you some progress we're making on these two issues. 74 00:08:55,830 --> 00:09:07,560 So first, our success in breaking down technology development silos, this is the idea of taking TRL zero through to TRL six. 75 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:19,260 Now there's a story here, because about eight years ago, I was out with a colleague in Cambridge for a drink and this this this colleague or friend, 76 00:09:19,260 --> 00:09:26,550 this was that was an error tester at Red Bull and and he asked me what I'd been doing. 77 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:34,770 And at the time, I just we just developed a team of us at the Whittle, the second generation of three dimensional compressor blades, 78 00:09:34,770 --> 00:09:41,280 the Rolls Royce, and I explained how they worked and he thought they were really good. 79 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:49,050 And then he asked me, When will they make engine? And I said six years and we set aside. 80 00:09:49,050 --> 00:09:52,080 And then I asked him what he'd been doing that day at Red Bull, 81 00:09:52,080 --> 00:10:00,210 and he tested 20 rear wings and he didn't understand how they worked, but he fitted a surface through the results. 82 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:03,310 They predicted what the best was. They built it, tested it. 83 00:10:03,310 --> 00:10:09,930 It was the best. And he just emailed it to track and this was a Thursday night. 84 00:10:09,930 --> 00:10:19,650 And by track Red Bull have manufacturing tools and they made it overnight and it was on the car for practise the next day. 85 00:10:19,650 --> 00:10:23,400 And at that point, the penny dropped and Tony Dickens. 86 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:30,960 We apply for money for the government to take his left Red Bull, and this is him sitting in one of our technology development teams at the witl. 87 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,250 And since then, everything at the Whittle has changed. There's two major changes. 88 00:10:35,250 --> 00:10:42,990 The first one is that we now run small shop focussed teams that help to break down human communication barriers. 89 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:48,510 And you can see one of our teams here made up of industry and academia multiple disciplines. 90 00:10:48,510 --> 00:10:53,820 We remove all top down management and bureaucracy. Milestones and deliverables go. 91 00:10:53,820 --> 00:11:00,780 And we have clear and objectives and which encourages fast, bold action. 92 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:08,730 If you look on the left, here we have what we call a learning loop. Now this is you have an idea and you have to take this idea. 93 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:14,040 You have to design it into a product, make it test it and learn. 94 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:20,250 And you know, we're reasonably good at it in the world. But it was taking us six months to go around that loop. 95 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:24,540 And so we focussed on each one of the circles in design. 96 00:11:24,540 --> 00:11:32,010 We've moved a lot more towards augmented and AI based design runs on running on graphics cards, the computer gaming, 97 00:11:32,010 --> 00:11:38,760 and that speeded the design process up by more than the factor of 100 in terms of rapid manufacture. 98 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:46,440 3D printing is very good, but the real breakthrough was to move the supply chain in-house. 99 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:53,550 Actual procurement was the real killer, and we actually connect the manufacture tools directly to the design tools. 100 00:11:53,550 --> 00:12:01,890 So a designer playing with a model can realise the model in the real world in about eight hours when it did take three months. 101 00:12:01,890 --> 00:12:03,120 And then finally, 102 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:14,190 we do a value stream analysis on the whole testing process and we instead of instead of trying to improve the quality of each bits of the test, 103 00:12:14,190 --> 00:12:24,180 the accuracy we strip out time out of each of the processes, and we found we've changed about 95 percent or removed 95 percent of the processes. 104 00:12:24,180 --> 00:12:28,560 And we first cut the test times down four months to days. 105 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:35,340 And with pick teams, we can do, we can rebuild and test the rig in 15 minutes. 106 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:41,700 We did a formal trial funded by the Aerospace Technology Institute and with Rolls-Royce in 2017, 107 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:48,720 and we took four technologies across the Rolls-Royce family around this loop in less than a week. 108 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,920 And in 2005, that's taken us two years to do so. 109 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:59,610 We named it 10 times quicker. But but but we ended up with 100 times quicker. 110 00:12:59,610 --> 00:13:06,090 And this is really important because if you're going to explore these new design spaces compete differently in spaces, 111 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:12,670 you've got to fail fast, you've got to have the overhead on taking an idea into products and testing. 112 00:13:12,670 --> 00:13:27,830 It's got to draw. OK. Next slide. OK, so now success in breaking down disciplinary silos. 113 00:13:27,830 --> 00:13:31,670 I'd like to give you a number of examples. 114 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:40,760 So first of all, on the left, you can see there's a lot of air propulsive configurations which are very different than conventional aircraft. 115 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:47,030 And we've had quite a lot of success in putting together structural engineers as electrical 116 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:53,540 engineers and aerodynamics to tackle those problems right from the beginning of the design process. 117 00:13:53,540 --> 00:14:01,220 In the middle, you can see this is work with Lilium on that design system and a company called Blue Badge, 118 00:14:01,220 --> 00:14:05,210 a small company in the UK which is building electric propulsion. 119 00:14:05,210 --> 00:14:14,060 And we've done a lot of whole system modelling and in fact, the bottom one, the blue bar exam place is a really good one, this one here. 120 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:19,430 This is called a project called Project Inception, funded by the Aerospace Technology Institute, 121 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:25,250 and it involves a series of small companies from sort of Formula One and electric 122 00:14:25,250 --> 00:14:30,320 drive teams to people who specialise in batteries to people who specialise in 123 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:37,040 noise to the wet lab on aero and around this team when moving geometries from place 124 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:42,440 to place really quickly and changing the way that those problems are tackled. 125 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,880 So the rapid technology teams sort of span those problems. 126 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:53,240 And then on the right, we've had quite a lot of success working with the Turing Institute and Rolls-Royce, 127 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,630 linking together machine learning and aerodynamics. 128 00:14:56,630 --> 00:15:07,280 And you can see in the top left corner, this actually is some work done on damaged blades and the effect they have on engines. 129 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,000 And you'll see in this team you've got a Rolls-Royce fellow James Taylor. 130 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:19,220 You've got Bryce Conduite, who's one of the senior A.I. members at Rolls-Royce, and Harry Simpson, who is a Rolls-Royce compressor designer. 131 00:15:19,220 --> 00:15:25,790 And they are literally all around the rig and the AI system is telling them which geometries to test, 132 00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:31,190 and they're changing the rig around life to do the test, to populate the A.I. system. 133 00:15:31,190 --> 00:15:35,270 So this approach is having sort of impact across a range of areas. 134 00:15:35,270 --> 00:15:41,620 Next slide. So I thought I'd give you a little more detail on on, 135 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:49,960 I think two of the most challenging problems we've taken on in spanning the discipline silos and the first one was at the 136 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:58,720 start of the pandemic and this is called the of the ventilator project or open source ventilation system initiative. 137 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:06,100 And the aim here was sort of at the start of the pandemic when we thought we would need ventilators. 138 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:13,810 We decided that we would put together a team to try and build the first clinical grade ventilator 139 00:16:13,810 --> 00:16:18,700 that could work all the way from CPAP through to clinical grade ventilation ventilation. 140 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:26,470 Could we do that with it manufactured in Africa at about a tenth of the cost of other ventilators? 141 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:33,880 And we switched our rapid technology development teams over from climate change to to the pandemic. 142 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:40,060 And you can see the members of the team we had in the top circle. 143 00:16:40,060 --> 00:16:43,450 These are people from Cambridge departments. 144 00:16:43,450 --> 00:16:52,390 We then had people from Adam Brooks, who are specialists in ventilation and from South Africa and one of their chief medical people. 145 00:16:52,390 --> 00:16:56,380 We have start-ups from the Cambridge cluster who volunteered. 146 00:16:56,380 --> 00:17:06,250 And then we had finally big companies such as Beco in Turkey, DfI in South Africa, Denel in South Africa and Prodrive Racing Team in the UK. 147 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:10,870 And you can see one of our teams in the photograph. 148 00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:15,130 On the left, you can see two wet lab academics on the right. 149 00:17:15,130 --> 00:17:19,480 You see three from start ups in Cambridge and in the background. 150 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,010 On the video link, you can see people from DfI and Jindal in South Africa. 151 00:17:24,010 --> 00:17:32,710 And so these teams were working virtually and physically on rapidly building components and testing them for the ventilator, 152 00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:36,550 and they were successful in the first 20. 153 00:17:36,550 --> 00:17:39,400 Ventilators came off the production line in South Africa, 154 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:49,180 and the project was awarded a president's special award medal from the Royal Academy of Engineering. 155 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:55,600 Next slide. So here's another one, and this is this is another challenge. 156 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,200 It's called the Aviation Impact Accelerator, 157 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:09,100 and this originated when the Prince of Wales visited the Weta lab and ran a roundtable on decarbonising aviation. 158 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:14,050 And he followed this up with another roundtable at Clarence House that you can see in the photograph. 159 00:18:14,050 --> 00:18:20,050 And the Prince of Wales had been very impressed with the rapid technology teams and said, 160 00:18:20,050 --> 00:18:30,580 Would it be possible to use these teams to take on the whole system's challenge of how you could unlock change in the larger aviation system? 161 00:18:30,580 --> 00:18:36,280 And that's exactly what we've done. So you can see the group of partners here. 162 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:43,000 It has departments from across Cambridge in our in our airspace and sustainable leadership, 163 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:50,140 the Judge Business School, the Bennett Institute Chemical Engineering Institute. 164 00:18:50,140 --> 00:18:58,210 But we also have teams from UCL working on the network modelling and Melbourne University working on field productions. 165 00:18:58,210 --> 00:19:06,100 And this is funded by the World Economic Forum and is association with the Prince of Wales Sustainable Markets Initiative. 166 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:13,330 And we also have a range of industrial advisers now. These aren't industrial advisers that you meet once a year. 167 00:19:13,330 --> 00:19:19,180 What we've done here is we have access to the deep technology within those teams, 168 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:25,270 so we're working very closely with the technologists in there to make sure the models grounded. 169 00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:30,040 The aim of the model is to produce a David Mackay model. 170 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,360 How many of you have heard of sustainable energy without the hot air? 171 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:43,300 It's a simple model, but it allows you to put the whole energy system and of the UK, and we're building a similar system for flight. 172 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:49,030 So it goes from power generation all the way through fuel production, through distribution to the journey. 173 00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:53,980 And you can see one of the prototype models up and running here. 174 00:19:53,980 --> 00:20:02,530 Next slide. So hopefully you can see some of the success in the past and going forward. 175 00:20:02,530 --> 00:20:08,860 Our aim is to build what we understand into a UK integrated technology accelerator. 176 00:20:08,860 --> 00:20:17,170 And you can this is a cut through that, that building and I would view that building not as a building, but really as a machine, 177 00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:26,950 because it's every part of it has been designed to try and optimise what I've talked about with technology development silos and silos. 178 00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:34,290 OK, next slide. So first of all, around the central courtyard, we have a range of disciplines, 179 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:40,460 so we are co-locating as well as our and I'm assistant fermenting nemesis chemistry policy, 180 00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:49,730 electrical deep learning and the the the Advanced Manufacturing Centre in Sheffield will have a satellite office in it to look at the manufacturing. 181 00:20:49,730 --> 00:20:57,440 And then we have a challenge space which allows those people to come together in a digital environment to explore at the early stage. 182 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,710 The systems design issues of various components with industry. 183 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:17,520 Next slide. So the next thing is we need to embed at the heart of this process, training the next generation of leaders in the field. 184 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:25,680 And we have the basic centre of doctoral training in future power and propulsion embedded in the heart of the building. 185 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:32,610 And that will take the first year PhD students from Oxford, Cambridge and Loughborough. 186 00:21:32,610 --> 00:21:36,840 Little will all embed themselves that first year in this culture. 187 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:44,980 Next slide. Finally, these teams have got to have access to be able to realise things and test them in the digital 188 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:50,500 world and the physical world at speed to then compare them in with the digital world. 189 00:21:50,500 --> 00:22:01,000 And so we have the data laboratories, we have the rapid manufacturing capability, we have a rapid assembly garage and then a test facility, 190 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:07,460 which will allow us to move around the space very quickly, rapidly testing concepts. 191 00:22:07,460 --> 00:22:13,430 OK. Next slide, please. So this building will cost just under 50 million. 192 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:18,860 We've raised 25 million of it through government, industry and academia. 193 00:22:18,860 --> 00:22:24,200 Unfortunately, the pandemic has made the rest of the fundraising incredibly difficult. 194 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:32,870 And if we can't raise the remaining twenty four and a half million, then quickly, then I'm afraid this project won't happen. 195 00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:41,640 So we, if there's any help on that, please let us know and you can see there's a link at the bottom that you can look at. 196 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,700 It will show you what we're trying to do. OK, next slide. 197 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:52,880 I thought I would end by just going through some of the things which seem to work. 198 00:22:52,880 --> 00:23:00,500 It's very hard to sort of come to firm conclusions, but I can tell you things that work. 199 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:04,850 So the first thing is culture that's so important. 200 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:11,630 If you don't get the culture right in the building, there's no point in even trying to get pace and simplicity. 201 00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:18,260 The second one is to embed Real-World experience, industry and policy in the teams from day one. 202 00:23:18,260 --> 00:23:25,040 So you get the right industrialists, the right policy, people in that team, then you can really ask the right question. 203 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,780 Third, make sure your teams are small and sharp focussed. 204 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:32,960 That really helps to break down human communication barriers. 205 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:42,230 As soon as you start scaling the meetings, kill you for removal of top down management and bureaucracy encourages fast, bold action. 206 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:50,420 So you really need to remove milestones and deliverables. 207 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:57,260 And you need to start all the management meetings and you need to really focus on on 208 00:23:57,260 --> 00:24:02,940 on allowing the team to move in a flexible way fast focussed delivery of funding. 209 00:24:02,940 --> 00:24:07,340 So when you find a good opportunity, funding needs to be delivered quickly. 210 00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:15,410 So long funding processes don't work at zero friction legal framework, so you really need for us. 211 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:19,250 The Rolls-Royce relationship is really useful for this, 212 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:28,000 but you need to be able to connect with somebody and start a project within a day and legal usually stops that. 213 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:35,290 Access to high level industrial strategy, if you going to ask the right questions, you've got to know what the real problems are. 214 00:24:35,290 --> 00:24:41,830 And again, relationships like one between the wetland roles are invaluable in that. 215 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:48,940 Finally, like communication overheads, so we tend to run. 216 00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:55,450 We only have meetings which are technically focussed and we communicate rapidly in WhatsApp groups. 217 00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:59,960 That's that's much better than having any management meeting. 218 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:10,060 OK, next slide. So finally, I thought I'd leave you with three questions, as you'll be discussing things this afternoon. 219 00:25:10,060 --> 00:25:18,120 The first one is funding a charity. Funding agility is key. 220 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:25,550 Can funding be based on good taste? So the normal way would be peer review. 221 00:25:25,550 --> 00:25:34,790 And when I took over at the witl, I analysed back analyse a lot of the projects which had been successful and made engine. 222 00:25:34,790 --> 00:25:44,360 And what I found to my surprise was that the projects which had worked were mostly projects where Rolls-Royce or 223 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:52,610 Mitsubishi had had good taste in choosing the person and the projects to do or being involved in that process. 224 00:25:52,610 --> 00:26:00,980 And that, through peer review, peer review will not allow you to ask really adventurous questions in that way. 225 00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:07,280 So who are you going to trust to put the money in? Second one operational agility. 226 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:15,710 So can we switch from a mine milestone and deliverable based world to an objective based world? 227 00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:20,720 So if you're going to ask adventurous questions, you've got to change the question frequently. 228 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,930 And milestones and deliverables will lock you into one way of seeing the world and say, doom you to failure. 229 00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:36,800 Really, silo agility is not not a great phrase, but and you know, if you're going to bridge barriers, 230 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:45,380 either bringing new small companies together with large companies to see the world differently than there is massive legal barriers in doing that. 231 00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:54,020 How would you do that more quickly? And then finally, at 42, you know, 232 00:26:54,020 --> 00:27:00,050 Douglas Adams fans in the audience will know what that means in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy they 233 00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:05,690 invent of incredibly large computer that takes millions of years to discover the meaning of life. 234 00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:15,230 And the answer comes out 42 is 42, and when they all look around in a puzzled way, the computer tells them that the answer is the easy thing. 235 00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:24,200 It's the question that's difficult. And they build a new biological, even bigger computer of the Earth to try and solve that problem. 236 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,180 And that's incredibly insightful because actually, 237 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:35,540 the difficult thing when you're moving into novel design spaces is to know what the question 238 00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:42,500 is and usually answering the question once you've articulated it properly is relatively easy. 239 00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:49,580 So you need in all of these things to find ways of allowing people to change completely. 240 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:57,530 The questions their acts, asking maybe hundreds of times before they really get the results that you want. 241 00:27:57,530 --> 00:28:02,690 OK, thank you. Thank you very much, Rob, for that incredibly interesting and insightful talk. 242 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:04,730 I think there's a lot of interesting chat on the stage. 243 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:16,640 There's lots of questions things will come out of that and really helps set up the discussions later in the breakout groups.