1 00:00:03,980 --> 00:00:07,410 [Auto-generated transcript. Edits may have been applied for clarity.] Our next speaker is is, uh, living fantasy author. 2 00:00:07,430 --> 00:00:10,820 Um, we're going to have several Nicole Rana come speak to us. 3 00:00:11,150 --> 00:00:19,010 She's the author of a forthcoming epic fantasy trilogy called the Dawn of the Firebird, and she's the acclaimed author of the novel Hope ablaze. 4 00:00:19,490 --> 00:00:25,549 And she's an infill candidate right here at Oxford. And she explores the intersection of policy and human rights. 5 00:00:25,550 --> 00:00:35,390 And her debut novel was selected as the library, make her debut book club pick and earn a Junior Library uh, Guild Gold Star standard. 6 00:00:35,390 --> 00:00:43,280 So please welcome Sarah, uh, to come talk to us about Jen faith and oral folklore Decentring fantasy outside Christian allegories. 7 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,390 Just so you guys can hear me. Okay, awesome. 8 00:00:53,310 --> 00:01:03,210 I think the greatest injustice in how we talk about stories today is that both we and our stories are constricted by the Western canon, 9 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:11,700 and we're actually wrongfully assuming that the Western canon is the only way to tell a story through the archetypes of Judeo-Christian, 10 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:17,850 um, traditions. Even the way that we structure our plot, uh, is circumscribed. 11 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,450 Uh, think of the hero's journey when you're actually telling a story. 12 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:28,020 It's a model that's treated as quite universal, when in reality it's only one type of cultural imagination. 13 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,479 So today, uh, I want to challenge you. I want to challenge you to imagine differently. 14 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:40,200 Because only then can we get richer stories. And in my talk today, I'll be using Northrop Frye's academic theory, 15 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:48,180 where he assumes that all of literature and now, by extension, fantasy literature comes from biblical frameworks. 16 00:01:48,420 --> 00:01:52,860 And I'm going to challenge that. I remember sitting in class when I was listening to this theory, 17 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,200 and I was quite baffled because I was like, this is not something that I subscribe myself to as a writer. 18 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:06,270 And as I came to write my book, Donna The Firebird, I had to use a lot of the assumptions that I was told was the only way to tell a story. 19 00:02:06,450 --> 00:02:10,320 And I had to tell myself to resist that until it the way that I thought was right. 20 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:18,480 Um, and so in order to price theory, he argues that the Bible provides provides the central mythological framework of Western literature. 21 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:25,590 Fantasy authors like C.S. Lewis leaned into this by reshaping biblical typology into critical allegories. 22 00:02:25,890 --> 00:02:34,170 I reject that notion. There are two sub points. Firstly, uh, I see that law and motifs do not have to exist in fried mythological structure. 23 00:02:34,350 --> 00:02:39,959 I again used a case study of my novel Donna The Firebird, and critically, the Rich World Within. 24 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,950 My book draws on Islamic law, cosmology, different types of angels and demons, 25 00:02:45,990 --> 00:02:50,640 and I challenge a lot of the assumptions that exist for those types of mythological, 26 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:54,840 uh, existence, because a lot of that is derived from biblical frameworks. 27 00:02:57,090 --> 00:03:00,639 So much. Okay. As I said, um. 28 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:06,280 Fried theory in Anatomy of Criticism identifies recurring motifs as central to Western myth. 29 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:12,879 So for fry, the Christian allegory, especially the typologies, anchors and different types of motifs such as comedy, 30 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:19,090 romance and even the tragic hero, these stories are seen as extensions of biblical forms. 31 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:22,840 So a lot of times the Trinity is actually quite critical to these books. 32 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:29,980 He also displays his biblical forms. Even if, you know, different fantasy books exist, and they say they draw on different types of mythos. 33 00:03:30,190 --> 00:03:34,300 He still argues that all of those books orbit the biblical framework. 34 00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:40,620 So he would argue that Lewis obviously very represents the, uh, biblical myth in the fantasy genre, 35 00:03:40,630 --> 00:03:45,310 but he actually puts that argument even more so that any type of literature in story, 36 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:49,320 even if it's fantasy, even if it's not, is an extension of the Bible. 37 00:03:49,330 --> 00:03:55,030 So obviously, with C.S. Lewis, the Christ figure, Aslan is Fry's archetype of death and resurrection. 38 00:03:56,330 --> 00:04:04,280 How do I challenge that? A couple key ways. Firstly, in Dawn of the Firebird, I develop motif motifs that disrupt Fry's system. 39 00:04:04,550 --> 00:04:10,940 Fry's explanation of biblical archetypes like the fall, resurrection, the Trinity, and a Christ figure he sees as universal. 40 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:19,790 In Don, I split the complex spectrum as different moral possibilities by challenging the idea of a fall, resurrection, plurality. 41 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:25,700 So, as I said, fry sees angels and demons as displaced archetypes of the Bible. 42 00:04:25,910 --> 00:04:29,959 A lot of times in stories, a classic story, you see light versus dark. 43 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:38,990 You see good versus evil and Islamic hate. Lord. In my book, I take a lot of the assumptions of these motifs and give it the lens of Islam. 44 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:45,890 So angels exist within my book, but they're not the same angels like the devil that fell from heaven and was a fallen angel. 45 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,520 Instead, in Islam we see angels as follows servants of God. 46 00:04:49,670 --> 00:04:56,990 So in my book I put that idea and I show that angels are not the same type of fallen archetype that you see within biblical frameworks. 47 00:04:57,380 --> 00:05:05,840 Similarly, you have the idea of demons or dark forces that exists within Dawn of the Firebird, but we have the idea of jinn. 48 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,900 Those are smokeless fire beings that have free will. 49 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:15,650 They still have souls, but they embody morally goodness, morally badness and ambiguity and temptation. 50 00:05:15,770 --> 00:05:21,290 So they're actually quite similar to humans. They could be devils, but they can also be good beings. 51 00:05:23,220 --> 00:05:25,270 There's three guys here motif that I challenge. 52 00:05:25,290 --> 00:05:33,480 So fry argues that that is a another type of allegory within storytelling that is obviously seen as a destructive force. 53 00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:38,790 It's something the character must overcome. And when a character dies, that's the end of their journey. 54 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:47,190 Well, within Don, I actually challenge that. For example, that is actually seen as a sacred tradition within my book in the fantasy world. 55 00:05:47,310 --> 00:05:50,670 Martyrdom is actually seen as a pinnacle of the hero's journey. 56 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:55,739 So if you die as a hero or your die in martyrdom, it's seen as, you know, 57 00:05:55,740 --> 00:06:01,800 accessing some type of higher, I guess, intellectual, soul, spiritual, um, reality. 58 00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:06,450 It's also a way to, uh, access divine justice within my book. 59 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:12,810 So morally good characters Revere death because that's where heroes edge closer to the fulfilment of the Hero's cycle. 60 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:20,460 Similarly, I draw on the story of Adam and Eve, a classic story within the Bible, and obviously Frye sees it through the biblical framework. 61 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:24,330 Well, within Dawn of the Firebird, I challenge the story of Adam and Eve. 62 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:31,530 I look at it through Islam's interpretation of that story within the Koran or other, uh, Abrahamic traditions. 63 00:06:31,710 --> 00:06:38,760 So within my book, I do take the story of Adam and Eve, but actually draw on the on the classic symbol of death, which is the raven, 64 00:06:38,910 --> 00:06:42,780 because a raven taught Adam Son how to bury the first murder of mankind, 65 00:06:42,930 --> 00:06:47,910 and actually use raven as a cultural symbol to accept and Revere death within my world. 66 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,900 As I was saying, there are other types of archetypes that exist. 67 00:06:53,110 --> 00:07:01,840 Frye obviously assumes that canon and literature can only be told through written script, but I actually challenge that within Donna The Firebird, 68 00:07:02,050 --> 00:07:08,650 because for us to assume that literature in the canon can only exist in written script or be passed down through written script, 69 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,890 is a critical assumption, because that's not how most canon outside of the Western, uh, canon exists. 70 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:19,930 So within my book, I actually celebrate oral storytelling in my world. 71 00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:23,320 Tradition and culture is passed down through oral storytelling. 72 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:26,710 And so Frye's model kind of enforces this archetype. 73 00:07:27,130 --> 00:07:30,610 His second, uh, key motif is actually Noah's flood. 74 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,290 Uh, he looks at the flood as a kind of divine justice event. 75 00:07:35,470 --> 00:07:39,880 He also has other motifs like trees, gardens, even the idea of an apocalypse. 76 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:45,210 It's seen as an imaginative power that supersedes and goes into other types of literature. 77 00:07:45,250 --> 00:07:53,050 So if you read other books, he actually sees every book representing those types of motifs within of The Firebird. 78 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,790 Noah's flood also exists, but it exists again through Islam's interpretation of Noah's flood. 79 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:05,940 Instead of this, instead of a big giant flood that was a source of divine punishment in Donner the Firebird, Noah's flood. 80 00:08:06,010 --> 00:08:10,060 No, uh, is seen as a localised flood and a kind of cleansing. 81 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,270 So this is the story that I wrote. Exists to tell a different account than the Bible's interpretation. 82 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,480 And it challenges Frye's assumption that all stories must come from the biblical canon. 83 00:08:22,030 --> 00:08:23,049 So critically, 84 00:08:23,050 --> 00:08:30,850 what I want you to take away by this presentation is what is the point of talking about stories that exist outside of biblical frameworks? 85 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:40,030 Why am I telling challenging Freud's theory? Well, I want you to think about one of the most famous academics who was a Pan-African, um, sociologist. 86 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:45,190 Du Bois talks about the idea of double consciousness. And I want you to take that into your writing. 87 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:51,130 If you're a writer or even you're reading, it's the sense of seeing oneself through the eyes of a dominant culture. 88 00:08:51,370 --> 00:08:56,710 Decentring is about claiming authority to imagine differently. 89 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,480 For example, when I was working on Dawn of the Firebird, my lovely editor Vicky, who's in the audience, 90 00:09:01,780 --> 00:09:08,770 was the one who gave me permission and I needed to hear it to be able to imagine and challenge the cultures that I'm writing into my book. 91 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,040 I didn't have to derive it for something that already exists in the real world. 92 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:16,480 I had the permission to imagine differently and to draw on, yes, 93 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,420 my own religion and other types of cultural traditions without being an exotic oriental supplement. 94 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,040 So if you're writing, especially if you're interested in cultures outside the biblical canon, 95 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,540 then I actually implore you to do that, and I implore you to decentre a lot of that. 96 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:37,030 Secondly, what's important is Western readers imagine myth only exists again in those biblical archetypes. 97 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,870 But the critical harm of that is that you sidelined thousands and thousands of other traditions that exist in the canon. 98 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:51,400 So if my stories are being rejected because they go outside those frame book frameworks, that's not fair to the stories that can otherwise exist. 99 00:09:51,580 --> 00:09:57,190 And it actually probably makes you a worse writer or worse reader, because you're only limiting yourself to one construct. 100 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:05,470 And so what I want you to take away by this presentation is that you need to give yourself the permission to imagine differently, 101 00:10:05,650 --> 00:10:08,860 because only then can fantasy be a genre that blooms. 102 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:15,340 Fantasy is beautiful because it's a veil to imagine and look at different, different moral spectrums, 103 00:10:15,340 --> 00:10:20,230 to look at different types of traditions and even the way that they have different value systems. 104 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:24,160 And only then will you be able to enjoy fantasy as a genre. 105 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:31,880 It is. Thank you. Hello. 106 00:10:31,890 --> 00:10:34,950 That was an incredible presentation. So thank you so much. 107 00:10:34,950 --> 00:10:40,380 I just want to say that first, um, I'm wondering about, um. 108 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,259 Mythology that predates the biblical canon. 109 00:10:45,260 --> 00:10:52,069 And kind of your perspective on how even the biblical canon itself almost draws upon that in a way, 110 00:10:52,070 --> 00:10:59,270 and how, I guess, seeing it as a three part of before the biblical canon and after sort of, 111 00:10:59,270 --> 00:11:06,709 um, how the biblical canon itself has changed due to translations and, um, 112 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:12,650 kind of just the culture that has surrounded it and how it has become from um. 113 00:11:13,850 --> 00:11:22,370 Something that was, um, so intertwined into, um, Middle Eastern culture and, um, all of that. 114 00:11:22,370 --> 00:11:30,960 Sorry, this is, like, so convoluted. Yeah. And how it has become, like, extremely, um, uh, Western in its culture, I guess. 115 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:38,210 Yeah. So I think you point out something that's important, which is obviously the Bible wasn't the first book or Britain script to exist. 116 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:44,479 Obviously there were other types of religious cultures, Abrahamic traditions, Judaism, uh, Jainism, Buddhism. 117 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,490 And I actually studied a lot of different scriptures from Buddhism in particular when I was writing Dawn, 118 00:11:49,730 --> 00:11:54,110 because Dawn takes place after Noah's flood, uh, couldn't just rely on the Bible or some. 119 00:11:54,260 --> 00:11:58,220 I had to try to look at different types of monotheistic cultures that existed before it. 120 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:06,470 But you point to something which is important, which is that a lot of times people assume these stories only came and existed in the Bible. 121 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:12,350 But obviously there are other scriptures that exist that have similar types of motifs, similar types of archetypes. 122 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:16,370 Or imagine the story of Noah's Flood, Adam and Eve differently. 123 00:12:17,090 --> 00:12:24,290 One example like I'll give is, uh, if you look at Proto China, for example, uh, they actually worshipped a deity called D. 124 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,210 It was a monotheistic deity. 125 00:12:26,390 --> 00:12:35,210 And if you look at monotheistic cultures, they studied um and have similar types of kind of monotheistic, uh, I guess a divine like figure. 126 00:12:35,510 --> 00:12:43,610 And those have existed for like, millennia. And so one way that we can try to stop the watering down of these stories, as you said, 127 00:12:43,910 --> 00:12:49,040 um, and stop them from being only seen as Western is for you just to write. 128 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:56,240 Um, I wrote something in Noah's flood instead of something that takes place vaguely during Islamic period or in the Middle East, 129 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,520 because I was like, I don't need to be constructed to the Middle East or South Asia. 130 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,520 I'm allowed to write a story that takes place after Noah's flood, 131 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:12,530 and so you can actually combat a lot of that watering down by giving yourself permission to write those stories that take place in Adam's time, 132 00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:17,570 or in some made up world that takes place in the very beginning of human existence. 133 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:24,470 If you try to limit yourself and look at historical sources and be like, oh, I must, I must only write like that, you're limiting yourself. 134 00:13:24,650 --> 00:13:32,690 And so I really, you know, with the wonderful support of my team, was only able to do that because they accepted that story in its most original form. 135 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:36,409 I would just say, thank you very much. So fantastic talk. 136 00:13:36,410 --> 00:13:42,320 You've really moved this on to the next stage of the summer school, and thanks to all of the speakers, it's like, okay.