1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:14,430 I'm Andrew Edwards, and I'd like to actually I'd like to think this was actually in my speech, so, you know, I'd like to thank Claire Phillips. 2 00:00:14,430 --> 00:00:21,990 Chris, Jeremy, Becky, you are. And everyone else for helping bring this group together and all of you for assembling 3 00:00:21,990 --> 00:00:26,730 to discuss the conjuncture and disjuncture is marking the dawn of the modern era. 4 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:34,890 So I'm an American, mostly by training. But at Oxford, I've been working in conversation with Chris, 5 00:00:34,890 --> 00:00:39,180 with Peter and other colleagues in the Global History of Capitalism Project and 6 00:00:39,180 --> 00:00:43,440 the political economy and Culture and Global History Workshop now workshop, 7 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:52,380 I hope, on the historical construction of capitalism's basic categories, like the subject of my talk today, the commodity. 8 00:00:52,380 --> 00:01:00,780 So my talk is entitled The Spaces In Between What is global about the history of Capitalism notes towards the history of the commodity. 9 00:01:00,780 --> 00:01:07,350 So the history of the commodity, as we all know, is a history of goods for sale now, more particularly in recent work. 10 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:16,230 And it's been the history of goods intended for mass consumption at their best histories of goods from textiles to uncover the human relations. 11 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:25,980 The seemingly impersonal flows of commodities conceal tracking them from the point of production through processing, marketing and sales. 12 00:01:25,980 --> 00:01:34,440 These histories remind us the commodities do not act for themselves, even if they sometimes seem to and exposing these relations. 13 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:40,890 Historians are fighting against a persistent myth the idea of all commodities as the impersonal 14 00:01:40,890 --> 00:01:47,490 embodiments of what of an Adam Smith's terms later appropriated by David Ricardo and Karl Marx, 15 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:52,500 value in use and value in exchange, or more simply, 16 00:01:52,500 --> 00:02:00,390 a good with a price like these above the trading pits in the old Chicago Board of Trade circa 1948, 17 00:02:00,390 --> 00:02:04,950 or more closely related to today's talk and our location. 18 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:13,530 The prices of large oxen in London's Smithfield Market in August 17, 07. 19 00:02:13,530 --> 00:02:18,690 So at the same time, historians wrestle with the fact from the perspective of economic history, 20 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:27,840 as recently argued by Kevin O'Rourke that commodities and their simplified form offer a window on global history with few viable alternatives, 21 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:34,740 providing the basis for studies showing how prices converge as global market links become more efficient, for example, 22 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:41,970 as well as a means to establish and compare the purchasing power of workers daily wages historically on a global scale. 23 00:02:41,970 --> 00:02:45,900 But a historian, like any labour perhaps is no better than their tools, 24 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:51,990 and if these tools are concepts like the commodity, they should not pass unexamined. 25 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:58,470 We must consider that what many historians view a material culture view as the myth of the commodity. 26 00:02:58,470 --> 00:03:07,140 It's in personality stripped of extra economic values and associations like all myths, perhaps has a basis in history. 27 00:03:07,140 --> 00:03:12,810 So today I want to consider the possibilities for exploring the history of the commodity as a category in capitalism that has 28 00:03:12,810 --> 00:03:20,460 changed over time and link that examination with an appraisal of the significance of the global and the history of capitalism. 29 00:03:20,460 --> 00:03:23,130 So in order to tell that history, we need to reimagine. 30 00:03:23,130 --> 00:03:32,730 I would argue the commodity itself, considering it as an object what Loraine Das and has called historical epistemology less US goods themselves. 31 00:03:32,730 --> 00:03:36,240 Then as a way of interpreting and understanding goods. 32 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:46,650 That way, I will argue a route arose out of what I'll refer to referred to in my title as the spaces in between global encounters and exchange. 33 00:03:46,650 --> 00:03:51,870 So the Anglo-American specificity of my account is deliberate, but I hope not fatal. 34 00:03:51,870 --> 00:03:57,630 The primary danger of Euro centrism is, Cedric Robinson has argued, is to mistake for universal verities, 35 00:03:57,630 --> 00:04:04,860 the structures and dynamics of Europe's own distant and more immediate pasts that I hope to have avoided here. 36 00:04:04,860 --> 00:04:08,700 The goal is to contribute in Marshall songs his words to a global history of capitalism, 37 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:14,910 attesting to the authenticity of other modes of existence, in part by any naturalised in our own. 38 00:04:14,910 --> 00:04:21,750 So today I want to do two three things. First, I want to present the notion of the commodity as a way of knowing by showing it in action. 39 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:24,840 In 17th century Britain and its Atlantic periphery, 40 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:30,840 suggesting that this peripheral global experience was crucial to the commodities epistemological development. 41 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:36,780 Second, I want to suggest how the commodity transformed after being embedded in British political economy 42 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:42,600 and emerging by the 18th century as a kind of moral economy of knowing within the British Empire. 43 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:51,180 And finally, I want to suggest the significance of a historical epistemology of the commodity for new approaches to the global history of capitalism. 44 00:04:51,180 --> 00:04:59,720 So first, to return to the coin. As literary theorist of long known, the notion of the commodity was in flux in early modern Britain, slipping as. 45 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:08,480 Douglas Brewster has observed between two different meanings. One is something like a convenience or a comfort. 46 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,290 And another as an exchangeable goods are wares. 47 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:17,990 So these are both from Shakespeare, from the flux itself is less interesting, perhaps, 48 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:25,670 than the way it reveals how the commodity as a way of knowing had emerged as a way of critiquing non-commercial cultural values, 49 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:33,920 serving as a means to familiarise them to ironic effect so we can see this poetic lindsay in effect of the commodity, for example here. 50 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,280 And Henry, the fourth part one and all's well that ends well, the joke. 51 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:44,840 Or anyway, the play and these lines so fast off the Hound Paroles to Helena comes out of the way they deploy 52 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:52,980 commodity and its dynamic economic sense as a means to familiarise reputation on the one hand, 53 00:05:52,980 --> 00:06:00,530 so I would to God Darwin, I knew where a commodity of good names were to be bought and virginity the commodity that 54 00:06:00,530 --> 00:06:07,700 will lose its gloss and line on the other by equating them with goods to be bought and sold, 55 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:13,080 things that are bendable and pearls words. So in Shakespeare, the use is reflexive. 56 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,690 Its internals poetic, 57 00:06:14,690 --> 00:06:22,490 a kind of auto critique of the cultural valuation as part of what Raymond Williams might have called Britain's early modern structure of feeling. 58 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:30,050 But with Empire, the expansion of settler colonialism in the Americas, the trade to Africa, Asia and the Middle East, the same process, 59 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:36,680 the same sort of way of seeing turned outward as Europeans began to interact more directly with regimes of value 60 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:45,050 other than their own and began to take in the commodity began to take on a more specific cross-cultural form. 61 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:47,480 So let me give you an example of what I mean. 62 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:55,400 In Sixteen Twenty Seven, William Bradford, so then-Governor of Plymouth Colony in what is now southeastern Massachusetts, 63 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:02,390 discovered that the beads made from the tubular heart of boozy con whelks and the Quahog Clam Mercenary, 64 00:07:02,390 --> 00:07:12,020 a mercenary, discovered that they were a commodity. Let me, according to Bradford, the discovered happened like this. 65 00:07:12,020 --> 00:07:13,070 These, by the way, are the shells. 66 00:07:13,070 --> 00:07:22,760 Obviously on the left is the wealth and then in the middle, as a mercenary mercenary of be the purple one on the right. 67 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:29,300 So according to Bradford, the discovery happened like this. Bradford had seen some of the beads before on some quote stations and special 68 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:33,350 persons that were a little bit for ornament but had not known what they were. 69 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:40,630 So here's actually eighteenth century Mohawk leader Joseph Brent draughted draped in similar beads to give you an idea of what he was seen. 70 00:07:40,630 --> 00:07:44,240 Well, this is obviously a hundred years or a hundred and fifty years later. 71 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,030 So in the fall of sixteen twenty seven, Isaac there as year, an official dispatched the year before by dust with dust, 72 00:07:50,030 --> 00:07:58,700 which West India Company came to Plymouth and part in order to inform him of the beads potential. 73 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:06,920 This is the Living Museum of Plymouth today. You can see on the horizon the container ship perhaps a harbinger of things to come. 74 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:15,410 Yeah, the most interesting consequence of Fraser's visit visit, Bradford recalled, was a quote entrance into the trade of Wampum Peak. 75 00:08:15,410 --> 00:08:19,460 This entrance took the form of a sales pitch in which Rangers tried to convince 76 00:08:19,460 --> 00:08:23,900 Bradford that the beads which he had brought with him were a commodity. 77 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:30,080 Razors, in effect, asked Bradford to apply the same creative lens Shakespeare deployed on reputation, 78 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:36,920 and Henry the fourth part one to see something of evident cultural value in terms of its commercial value. 79 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,450 The pitch had two parts. 80 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:45,650 Both were attempts to get Bradford to see the beads differently and both crucial for understanding the development of the commodity. 81 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:50,120 First Eyes told Bradford that the beads were bendable, 82 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,740 emphasising how incredibly attractive they were in the first trade with the powerful five nations of the Iroquois. 83 00:08:54,740 --> 00:09:02,030 The Dutch settlement of Port Orange, Modern Day Albany, New York and second razors attempted to convince Bradford how attractive the 84 00:09:02,030 --> 00:09:06,200 beads would be to the Algonquin speaking peoples along the Kennebec River, 85 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,540 hundreds of miles to the East. This was a difficult sell, but Ratio's was persuasive. 86 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:21,380 He succeeded in offloading 50 pounds sterling worth of the beads, which indeed grew in Bradford's formulation to be a commodity. 87 00:09:21,380 --> 00:09:25,430 As soon as coastal peoples began trading the beads into the Algonquin interior, 88 00:09:25,430 --> 00:09:31,910 English trade transformed because the shells had been confirmed as a commodity bendable across cultural lines, 89 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:40,370 making it seem as if the shells had value inherent in themselves independent of local cultural variables. 90 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:44,810 Paradoxically, this meant then when it came to establishing the beads commercial value, 91 00:09:44,810 --> 00:09:53,000 the discrete cultural practises that made the beads valuable in any one place were irrelevant, perhaps even misleading. 92 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,700 Indeed, the colonists themselves who went into the shell trade in a massive way and one Iroquois on site alone, 93 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:07,040 archaeologists have uncovered a quarter million of the beads they constantly mistook the source of the value of going to wampum as the beads. 94 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,830 It's going to be called as the money of the Native American Northeast when their primary purpose, 95 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:17,540 in fact, was as a means of ritual inter-regional communication. 96 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:23,390 In fact, it might be more accurate in light of anthropologist Keith Hart's recent work on money is 97 00:10:23,390 --> 00:10:31,320 fundamentally a medium of global communication to call money the wampum of the 21st century. 98 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,630 But mistaking wampum for money was a feature, 99 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:42,030 not a bug of the commodity as a way of knowing cultural particularities only obscured the value that arose the places in between. 100 00:10:42,030 --> 00:10:46,620 Simultaneously, though, as we see in this quote from Bradford's memoirs, 101 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:51,240 Native Americans soon realised with the significance that their transplanted neighbours new way of 102 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:58,620 understanding the Bede's value was going into manufacturing for themselves and driving hard bargains for guns, 103 00:10:58,620 --> 00:11:02,040 powder and shot that Bradford resented. 104 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:09,330 They played on the significance of the beads as a commodity and Bradford Sense and within a few years as money as well, 105 00:11:09,330 --> 00:11:16,980 after the Dutch and English made wampum a legal tender. And that should alert us to another aspect of the recognitions at play here. 106 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:23,340 Those from the perspective of people encountering Europeans to the Narragansett and this quote 107 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:30,120 the commodity as a way of knowing presented itself as a specifically European cultural practise, 108 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,790 which could be exploited in turn. This is also suggests, then, that commodification has a history. 109 00:11:35,790 --> 00:11:40,080 We're in the process of reducing the commodity as the source as a complex social 110 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,430 object to a good with a price begins not in the act of stripping qualities, 111 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:51,060 leaving only quantities. But a new way of understanding how particular items moved in cross-cultural exchange on the Senate, 112 00:11:51,060 --> 00:11:55,770 their value rather than within particular cultures and the places between them. 113 00:11:55,770 --> 00:11:57,780 So that brings us to part two. 114 00:11:57,780 --> 00:12:03,840 Bringing it all back home the moral economy of the commodity is a way of knowing the commodity as a way of understanding. 115 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:10,560 Goods eventually came back doing critical work in the reformation of English political economy of the dawn of the 18th century. 116 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:18,480 In the course of this work, the commodity is a way of knowing transformed taking on with Lorraine and is referred to as a moral economy of knowledge. 117 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:24,240 This transformative tension, I think, is especially clear when authors discussed not what a commodity was, 118 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:30,270 but what it was not tweaking the commodities relatively new definition as an object and trade. 119 00:12:30,270 --> 00:12:36,360 Take, for instance, this very famous passage from Locke, 17, in a 16 95 year. 120 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:41,430 Locke is arguing that silver value by wheat and fineness was naturally money, 121 00:12:41,430 --> 00:12:47,610 which might be and has been seen as a primary instance of the commodification of money. 122 00:12:47,610 --> 00:12:52,320 Because Locke's definition had the effect of stripping traditional elements of the sovereign 123 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,170 prerogative around money by reducing it to an institution in effect as an object with a price, 124 00:12:58,170 --> 00:13:03,450 establishing it as equivalent with a commodity value of fine silver in international trade. 125 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:06,240 And yet, as we see here for Locke, 126 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:14,250 one of the key elements of silver as money was that it was not a commodity or at the very least, not only a commodity. 127 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:23,610 Like other metals. It could not be strictly a commodity, I suggest, because its value was not located in the spaces in between silver, 128 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:29,370 from stamped shims to milled coins had been money in Britain for centuries. 129 00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:33,870 Here are some examples a history the LOC did not disavow. 130 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:39,090 Rather, he used the recognition of the value of silver had elsewhere to assign it a special status. 131 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:44,730 We might think of this as a moment where the commodity became moralised silver, 132 00:13:44,730 --> 00:13:54,930 and Locke's account is the money of the world and not merely a commodity because its value arises not from nature itself, but from human nature. 133 00:13:54,930 --> 00:14:02,220 Inasmuch as it is, the measure of value for the entire trading world is a marker of human rationality itself. 134 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:09,750 The implication was that those who felt differently were somewhat less than fully reasonable and perhaps less than fully human. 135 00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:15,450 I want to suggest the effect was to imbue the commodity as a way of knowing with this moral economy, 136 00:14:15,450 --> 00:14:22,470 a basis for a valuation of alternative epistemology and ways of knowing goods and trade because it is seen 137 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:27,720 to be the only good and correct way to view them and more significantly to the history of capitalism. 138 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:34,170 It made the commodity as a way of knowing seemed to be the only rational basis for a political economy. 139 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:39,090 This moral economy has been especially significant to me because of the difficulty of explaining 140 00:14:39,090 --> 00:14:44,110 the cultural logic of British imperial administrators at the end of a seven year war. 141 00:14:44,110 --> 00:14:49,020 I work on the revolutionary period in America, often the transformation of money during that period. 142 00:14:49,020 --> 00:14:55,350 So when confronted for the first time with a truly global empire straddling three continents from Boston to Bengal, 143 00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:59,670 these administrators attempted to establish the fiscal basis for that empire. 144 00:14:59,670 --> 00:15:08,100 The institutions that would ensure profits made it one of the end of the Earth would be Commencer Bowl, with profits made as the other. 145 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:13,740 Their choices in doing so in the 17 sixties and seventies were unambiguously disastrous. 146 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:18,540 They, at the very least exacerbated a famine that led to the death or migration of some 10 147 00:15:18,540 --> 00:15:22,770 million people in North India and through the imposition of taxes paid in silver that, 148 00:15:22,770 --> 00:15:26,700 in the final estimation, were impossible to pay in the American Revolution. 149 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:30,640 But in my recent work, I've attempted to explain these decisions functionally. 150 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,490 To show how the decision to form an empire around a silver standard was not simply a continuity of Locke's analysis, 151 00:15:36,490 --> 00:15:42,070 but also a reasoned response to what I and my co-authors describe as China's early modern 152 00:15:42,070 --> 00:15:47,600 global monetary hegemony that made silver valued by wait and find this the money of the world. 153 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:55,360 But that analysis was useful as an explanation of much of the available evidence does not account for something I have found harder to explain. 154 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,350 Not simply the sense of necessity surrounding the imperial fiscal system, 155 00:15:59,350 --> 00:16:06,970 but the evident distaste verging on disgust imperial administrators had for alternatives. 156 00:16:06,970 --> 00:16:11,410 The monetary component of the system of imperial form forwarded by George Greenville's administration, 157 00:16:11,410 --> 00:16:21,340 for instance, had its roots in a March 1764 memo authored by the Earl of Hillsborough for King George the third. 158 00:16:21,340 --> 00:16:25,510 The memo, while it was arguably part of the process of imperial reform, 159 00:16:25,510 --> 00:16:32,500 made no mention of the larger picture of India of China, the world Britain was trying to reduce to a system. 160 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:38,080 Rather, Hillsborough accused the Americans rather bizarrely with fraud for Hillsborough. 161 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:46,720 The American monetary system was not simply undesirable. It was strange and deceitful, its nature founded in fraud and injustice. 162 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:52,720 At the same time, however, this fraud was based on a misunderstanding on the part of the Americans regarding the nature of money, 163 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:59,500 which we can sort of see here that that American money was not simply his. 164 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:03,880 He said the Americans were wrong because they believed that money was simply a measure. 165 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,550 And here we see a direct lot echo of Locke's language. 166 00:17:06,550 --> 00:17:12,550 While money was not simply a measure, it was also an equivalent, which is to say, as Hillsborough went on to explain. 167 00:17:12,550 --> 00:17:17,800 Money must be the equivalent of gold or silver or other valuable commodities. 168 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,420 The measure argument was a reference to the intellectual foundation of American bills of credit, 169 00:17:22,420 --> 00:17:26,590 which were organised ultimately around a non commodity concept of money a happy concept. 170 00:17:26,590 --> 00:17:30,220 I'd be happy to go into further in our discussion. However, as you can see, 171 00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:36,190 Hillsborough jumps immediately from this intellectual assault to a kind of exasperation with 172 00:17:36,190 --> 00:17:41,980 the idea that Americans would designate paper as something of universal intrinsic value. 173 00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:48,430 For one perspective, this makes very little sense if Americans think of money as something other than an equivalent. 174 00:17:48,430 --> 00:17:51,700 Then why would they be concerned with a physical material value of their bills? 175 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:58,240 And also is a Hillsborough demonstrating a remarkable ignorance of its own monetary system, 176 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,170 which, as we know, was proliferating paper monies of various sorts? 177 00:18:02,170 --> 00:18:08,680 So bank bills, navy bills, army bills, inland bills of exchange bills, of course, occur at the exact same time. 178 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,670 But if we consider the commodity as a way of knowing and one that had acquired a 179 00:18:12,670 --> 00:18:17,230 morality in the century since William Bradford discovered that wampum was a commodity, 180 00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:27,910 it makes sense. Hillsborough returns repeatedly, as economic historians have done ever since the idea of money American money as paper 181 00:18:27,910 --> 00:18:34,880 because he has difficulty seeing an object and trade as anything other than a commodity. 182 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:44,180 He has been made aware of the American intellectual, institutional practical justifications of their monetary practises over two months of hearings, 183 00:18:44,180 --> 00:18:54,110 but insists on stripping that away as if the true worth of America's paper money can only ultimately resolve reside in its intrinsic commodity value. 184 00:18:54,110 --> 00:19:04,430 Founded in papers dubious cross-cultural vind ability as an object in trade, anything else, he observes, would be absurd fraudulent. 185 00:19:04,430 --> 00:19:12,170 He might have added immoral because it not partake in the universal way of knowing objects as commodities in the world. 186 00:19:12,170 --> 00:19:19,120 So in closing? When people think of the global history of capitalism, they tend to think of a diffusion story. 187 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,570 That's true whether we consider capitalism as a world system like the late Emmanuel 188 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:29,020 Wallerstein or as a Congress of practises most closely directed with wage labour. 189 00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:35,050 Both views, though, missed the significance of encounters with non-European parties and cultures in the construction of 190 00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:41,380 capitalism as the basic categories like the commodity and their subsequent projection on the world. 191 00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:50,950 What Peter has suggested calling capitalism's systolic diastolic process after the pumping motion of the heart. 192 00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:54,730 What I would like to propose here as we reconsider the divergence debates, 193 00:19:54,730 --> 00:20:00,070 is that the history of early modern capitalism is instead in large measure, an infusion story. 194 00:20:00,070 --> 00:20:07,840 Capitalism considered institutionally and intellectually in terms of its basic categories and habits of mind as truth claims its epistemology, 195 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:13,870 its paradoxical claim to be both universal and universal rising was the product of encounters 196 00:20:13,870 --> 00:20:19,240 with the world that were moralise systematised and turned against the other itself. 197 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:27,730 And at the core of that story and the global history of capitalism is a history of the quantity as a way of knowing centred in the spaces in between. 198 00:20:27,730 --> 00:20:32,760 Thank you.