1 00:00:00,180 --> 00:00:08,870 Hello, my name is Elaine Charlotte. And in this podcast, I'll take you on a hunt hunt for parasites, dinosaurs and other model animals. 2 00:00:08,870 --> 00:00:11,820 The Oxford University Museum of Natural History. 3 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:19,830 We'll take a peek behind the scenes of this beautiful 1860 Victorian Cathedral of Science and talk to two experts on the way. 4 00:00:19,830 --> 00:00:24,030 I hope to share with you some fascinating creatures and objects. 5 00:00:24,030 --> 00:00:32,370 But in a way, this is also a personal journey of how it ended up opening every door and drawing the museum, searching for models of animals. 6 00:00:32,370 --> 00:00:37,620 To be honest, I never thought I would find myself back at university doing a p h d. 7 00:00:37,620 --> 00:00:44,610 After working in libraries and for natural history, society for many is a kind of seven year itch, perhaps. 8 00:00:44,610 --> 00:00:51,720 And here I am looking at a gigantic itch might in glorious 400 times magnification. 9 00:00:51,720 --> 00:01:04,300 How did I get here? Well, I climbed some very steep makeshift stairs to one of the attic storerooms of the museum. 10 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:14,470 OK. Here you are. I'm locking the door. I'm going in skulls and let's greet us. 11 00:01:14,470 --> 00:01:18,900 And there are quite a few large animal shapes on the floor. 12 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:29,160 Them wrapped in plastic. So not to worry. Switching on the light straight to another door at the far end of the room. 13 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:35,070 Remind myself to light step. Here it is, an old wooden cupboard. 14 00:01:35,070 --> 00:01:48,740 This is the home of some of my research interests. It seems fitting somehow out of the way they kept. 15 00:01:48,740 --> 00:01:56,760 They each might suck up to Scruby cause escapee's. This is not uncommon and hugely irritating skin condition. 16 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,510 The mite digs lays its eggs and there is no nice way of putting it. 17 00:02:01,510 --> 00:02:05,920 defaecates into the human skin. All of which makes it itch. 18 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,150 This wax model here beautifully captures the mites efficient anatomy. 19 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:15,100 It's tunnelled digging legs and claws like a mole digging into the soil. 20 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:21,760 Except that the mite cleverly dissolves the top layer of the skin and kind of swims in there. 21 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,230 Also, its mouthparts also used for digging and feeding on the host's limp. 22 00:02:26,230 --> 00:02:34,710 Catching these mites from an infected person can be as casual as a handshake, although usually more prolonged skin to skin contact is needed. 23 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:39,880 Ageing is so unbearable that frequent scratching can lead to large infected wounds. 24 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:48,370 It's quite an experience to see something that is so tiny as to be all but invisible, enlarged to the size of a big fist. 25 00:02:48,370 --> 00:02:55,480 Well, first of all, you immediately realise how spider or crap like it is and a rat can eat like other unwelcome 26 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:03,070 but much bigger guests in our skin takes its anatomy intuitively makes sense of the scale. 27 00:03:03,070 --> 00:03:08,890 It tells us a lot about its function, how it lives and how it affects its host. 28 00:03:08,890 --> 00:03:16,330 To be honest, it's Brussels a few centimetres long. Each just by looking at them. 29 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:19,780 This enlarged model is a work of art made from wax. 30 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:25,360 It was probably first produced in the eighteen seventies by an atomic model called Rudolph Ischia in Leipzig, 31 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:32,260 Germany was based on the microscopic observations and laboratory data of the leading parasitologist. 32 00:03:32,260 --> 00:03:42,280 At the time would look like at. So there are other parasite models that live in this cupboard. 33 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:48,300 And this parasite here is called Trickiness for Alice. 34 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:52,680 It is a nematode worm. Not quite as exciting to look at as it might. 35 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,330 You would think, indeed, in real life, it just looks like a tiny worm. 36 00:03:57,330 --> 00:04:02,190 Only one and a half millimetre long. But appearances can be deceptive. 37 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:06,090 This little worm is much more dangerous and unpleasant than each might. 38 00:04:06,090 --> 00:04:11,790 It is widespread around the world and has a bright need life cycle once you host. 39 00:04:11,790 --> 00:04:17,130 And this includes humans has consumed, contaminated or undercooked meat. 40 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:23,250 The parasite larvae burrow into the intestinal walls, mature and reproduce. 41 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:30,990 The new larvae then migrate and eventually encapsulate themselves in the host's muscles, waiting for the next animal to consume the meat. 42 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:37,470 They are sitting in and the cycle starts. The parasite often causes trichinosis an illness. 43 00:04:37,470 --> 00:04:43,290 Its symptoms include diarrhoea, inflammation, swelling and fever in serious cases, 44 00:04:43,290 --> 00:04:48,270 even inflammation of the heart, muscle or lungs, which can be fatal. 45 00:04:48,270 --> 00:04:55,560 The life cycle of this parasite was described first in the eighteen fifties again by Likert in Germany. 46 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:02,070 The wax models were made by SQA in close collaboration with low cut, probably in the early eighteen seventies. 47 00:05:02,070 --> 00:05:09,090 They show the fruits of low cuts, research experiments and dissections in glorious 3D. 48 00:05:09,090 --> 00:05:15,330 So the first two models we have here showcase the adult worms, male or female. 49 00:05:15,330 --> 00:05:23,880 They reveal the secrets of their anatomy and organs in startling big scale and detail and the different colours. 50 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:34,390 Each is roughly the length of a 30 centimetre ruler. But there are five additional models and I'll get one out. 51 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:41,250 So five in total. And there is one here in particular about the other five. 52 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:43,170 Show us sorry, the other four show. 53 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:52,020 That's well, it's the migration of the larvae and the hosts muscle and the formation of the cysts in which the larvae then live. 54 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:58,140 The muscles modelled in wax look so convincing. You can almost see them twitch. 55 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:02,820 The models brought to life the previously hidden workings of these parasites. 56 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:11,400 Understanding the anatomy and life cycles made it possible to avoid them, to get rid of them and treat the damage they were causing to the hosts. 57 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:20,340 These models were used to disseminate and publish, like its research alongside his scientific texts to teach students of symbology in medicine, 58 00:06:20,340 --> 00:06:30,240 but also to educate and frankly amaze the public by exhibiting models in museums, fairs and great exhibitions. 59 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:37,650 So although our microscopes and other scientific tools to make tiny organisms visible are much more advanced today, 60 00:06:37,650 --> 00:06:42,300 these 19th century 3D models are satisfyingly tangible. 61 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:49,500 They can be grasped even by a non-specialist. Parasites still have a lot to teach us. 62 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:54,630 Human and animal parasites can be important indicator species for underlying dynamics, 63 00:06:54,630 --> 00:06:59,250 problems, immune deficiencies with regard to the individual host's health. 64 00:06:59,250 --> 00:07:04,170 Corindi changes in the ecosystem in which both host and parasite live. 65 00:07:04,170 --> 00:07:10,650 I've asked Professor Peter Molner from the University of Toronto to briefly explain why, from his point of view, 66 00:07:10,650 --> 00:07:18,180 parasites are still important to research today and how we are using them for slightly updated versions of modelling. 67 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:23,550 So the influence of parasites on the functioning of ecosystems really cannot be overstated. 68 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:33,310 And perhaps one way to think about this to help you visualise this is to simply think about sheer numbers. 69 00:07:33,310 --> 00:07:40,140 It's about 50 percent of all species on planet Earth are parasitic. 70 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:47,970 On the other half. And yet they are often ignored in many even research studies. 71 00:07:47,970 --> 00:07:53,980 And if you look at a food web where you see the predators and the prey represented who eats whom, 72 00:07:53,980 --> 00:08:04,320 you're going to be hard pressed to find a web that also includes all the different parasites that feed on their different hosts at different times. 73 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,680 There's many reasons for this, 74 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:13,800 but perhaps the simplest is that an act of parasitism compared to the act of predation is small and is difficult to observe. 75 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,840 And this is perhaps also the reasons that the researchers that you're looking into 76 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:24,210 started making these models back in the starting back in the eighteen hundreds. 77 00:08:24,210 --> 00:08:36,060 To help us make better understand the influence of these little critters on, again, the Day-To-Day functioning of ecosystems. 78 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:39,120 Now, if you just think about humans, about well, 79 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:51,010 hundreds of millions of people are actually affected each year by some parasitic warm infections such as schistosomiasis and so on, 80 00:08:51,010 --> 00:08:52,770 all from a human health perspective. 81 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:58,530 It is critical to understand or if you want to take agriculture and all the losses that come from parasitic worms. 82 00:08:58,530 --> 00:09:00,890 Again, it's critical to understand it for nothing else, 83 00:09:00,890 --> 00:09:09,630 for our own benefit and no climate change into the picture where all these parasites react in a very sensitive manner to temperature changes, 84 00:09:09,630 --> 00:09:14,310 their development, speeding up the reproductive patterns, changing their survival, 85 00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:18,180 changing all these disease patterns are also going to be changing around the globe. 86 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:26,370 So, again, we need to understand how these parents had functions, but also at a broader level, their population dynamics. 87 00:09:26,370 --> 00:09:30,270 How many or find in nature how that depends on the numbers of hosts. 88 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:35,730 How one begets the other. And how do dynamically interact with one another. 89 00:09:35,730 --> 00:09:44,310 And so now this brings us to, you know, more meat, perhaps a more modern version of models where we often use mathematics, 90 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:51,600 demographics and population dynamics to figure out who infects whom and what effect are they having. 91 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,760 One parasite that you mentioned actually is is treating spiritualist. 92 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,080 And we looked at a very similar parasite up in the Arctic called Chicken. 93 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,680 Alan, the TVA causes the same disease as Tricky. 94 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:11,910 Noah says it's just a slightly northern version of one that that is commonly known in agriculture. 95 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:24,930 And it's been actually a mystery for many years how these parasites end up in such high prevalence as in the top Arctic predators such as polar bears. 96 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:27,650 You can actually use mathematical models. 97 00:10:27,650 --> 00:10:35,750 You basically figure out, given the numbers of parasites that are observing in different species, what is actually plausible? 98 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:41,210 Where could they be coming from? To explain the numbers that we're seeing. 99 00:10:41,210 --> 00:10:46,880 And so the answer is a bit more complex and perhaps we don't have the time to go into this. 100 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:55,400 But the bottom line is that the models that people were looking at at the eighteen hundreds were abstractions of reality to try and help 101 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:04,370 us understand how these things are functioning and how this is affecting our health and then ultimately the health of ecosystems as well. 102 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:11,720 And today we're doing nothing different except for building on about 200 years of research and are now trying to find out the 103 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:22,130 population dynamics of parasites of their hosts and under what conditions they may be spilling over and cause diseases in humans. 104 00:11:22,130 --> 00:11:26,100 Thank you, Peter, for this insight. Right. 105 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:33,260 And back in the main court of the museum, my eyes adjusting to the bright natural light from the glass Wraith. 106 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:40,310 Some models and replicas you encounter in museums like the Natural History Museum in Oxford can be more obvious than others. 107 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:49,790 Take, for instance, this model here of the Archaeopteryx, which is my favourite little dinosaur, bridging the gap between dinosaurs and birds. 108 00:11:49,790 --> 00:11:58,720 Fossils of the Archaeopteryx were discovered in 1861. Only a few years after Charles Darwin's publication of On the Origin of Species, 109 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,370 they were hailed as key evidence for his theory of evolution through natural selection. 110 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:09,100 This eminent role has stood the test of time. Therefore, images, 111 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:16,690 reproductions of the original Archaeopteryx fossil and lifelike reconstructions of what it may have looked like based on the 112 00:12:16,690 --> 00:12:24,460 best data and knowledge we have at the time of producing the model are to be found in almost every natural history museum. 113 00:12:24,460 --> 00:12:35,290 This model here was made by Richard Hammond in the 1990s using actual bird feathers and appears much like any other colourful stuffed bird specimen. 114 00:12:35,290 --> 00:12:40,870 If you do not read the label, you might think it was a weird looking stuff bird. 115 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:47,230 In fact, research is ongoing to determine the exact nature and colour of the Archaeopteryx feathers. 116 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:51,340 So this model shows us a stage in this process. 117 00:12:51,340 --> 00:12:58,120 And if you're not just interested in what the Archaeopteryx may have looked like, but what it may have sounded like, 118 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:04,480 well, the Natural History Museum in London have an audio model of the Archaeopteryx voice on the website. 119 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:18,260 And this is what it sounds like. But there are countless other zoological models here in the museum, and I decided to ask an expert about them. 120 00:13:18,260 --> 00:13:24,090 Mark Carnell is a zoologist and collections manager in the life sciences department of the Museum. 121 00:13:24,090 --> 00:13:28,980 He's also one of my research supervisors. Mark, what would you say? 122 00:13:28,980 --> 00:13:35,340 What is the main difference between the animal specimens you look after and models fenceline? 123 00:13:35,340 --> 00:13:37,380 That's a really good question. 124 00:13:37,380 --> 00:13:49,720 So I'd say the main difference between the animal specimens that we look after in the museum and models is how they used and and what they represent. 125 00:13:49,720 --> 00:14:00,480 So, for example, if we had a mortar shell from the modest collections that Shell is such a data 126 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,010 point that's been deposited in the museum and the use that we bring to today. 127 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:14,440 So we might put it on display. We might feature in a blog post. You might use it in teaching something about mosque evolution and anatomy and. 128 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:26,460 For as long as that specimen has been in the museum, it might be that some previous curators, Ray Lankester, used it in a lecture or a paper about it. 129 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:32,930 So with our typical specimens, the main focus there is is the remuda use that we bring to them. 130 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:39,450 That's fundamentally the point of a national story collection when it comes to the animal remains. 131 00:14:39,450 --> 00:14:48,380 The difference with models, casts and replicas is that's part of their formation. 132 00:14:48,380 --> 00:14:56,790 And there are some overlaps with partner formation catches something of the attitudes of the people who commissions made or used the model. 133 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:59,910 And this is something that specimens themselves don't necessarily record. 134 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:07,830 So going back to the Nautilus shell that I mentioned before, it, it's only secondary sources that you have any idea of the use of that specimen. 135 00:15:07,830 --> 00:15:18,090 Where we're holding it for renewed use as a model tells us something about what was being shown in display or used in teaching. 136 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:22,440 What was seen as important so much as a costly and compact. 137 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:30,420 So you're not buying models unless you really want to use them. So it can tell us something about what was important in the history of biology. 138 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:35,100 What was important content to teach students in the university museum context? 139 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:44,760 I also shows us a thought process frozen in time or in the case of a model series, a dynamic process. 140 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,080 So it gives us much richer information, actually information that is quite poorly recorded. 141 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:55,610 Otherwise we don't tend to do a great job in nutrition museums generally of recording our own history of how the collections of music. 142 00:15:55,610 --> 00:16:01,780 So I say that was that was the main difference. The other difference. On a metal level. 143 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:07,360 So when it comes to how I approach curation of these, is that biological specimens by far. 144 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:14,740 Have a more ingrained value, if you like, in how we view them and use them. 145 00:16:14,740 --> 00:16:22,420 And so with many modern collections, because they start off as something that you would purchase. 146 00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:24,490 Their value has changed over time. 147 00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:32,510 So now where they exist, where they went kind of stripped from displays when those ideas became outmoded or when teaching changed, 148 00:16:32,510 --> 00:16:34,270 where they still exist in museums, 149 00:16:34,270 --> 00:16:41,470 they're really interesting snapshot not just into the history of a similar school group, but also how that group was used. 150 00:16:41,470 --> 00:16:51,370 So the value prospect is another important one. And of course, I have to ask you this question, which is your favourite model in the museum, huh? 151 00:16:51,370 --> 00:16:55,260 I knew you're going to ask this question and I should have prepared an answer. 152 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:59,200 What is my favourite model? I think this is the same thing. 153 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:06,850 And if anybody who works at the collection and your favourite specimen or model changes over time, 154 00:17:06,850 --> 00:17:12,050 and now that we've got you working, researching on the collections, 155 00:17:12,050 --> 00:17:20,650 you know, the fantastic discoveries that you've been making are are making it very difficult to pick one particular favourite over another. 156 00:17:20,650 --> 00:17:28,600 But one area that I'm musicological logically interested in is those objects which we currently have in the museum now, 157 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,690 which perhaps we consider as props. 158 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:42,940 So things that we've bought or commissioned and are currently on display serving a very obvious function in our interpretation. 159 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:50,960 And at some point, some of those will transition to become models incorporated into the collection. 160 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:59,140 And in 50, 100, 200 years will be of interest like historic models are of interest. 161 00:17:59,140 --> 00:18:06,550 Now, as to some of those some of these things that we have at the moment include things like 3D, 3D, printed brains. 162 00:18:06,550 --> 00:18:16,770 We also have a bunch of very high end toys essentially that represent extinct organisms on display to show what these animals look like. 163 00:18:16,770 --> 00:18:23,980 And at the moment, that's something we could pop down the road and buy from, from a toy shop or online. 164 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:30,360 But at some point, they will transition into becoming museum objects in their own right. 165 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:39,250 And and so I think that category of objects is is is my favourite, because that's part of our living history. 166 00:18:39,250 --> 00:18:46,240 And although we have some control over what is deemed important and what gets preserved now, 167 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:53,980 there's often a lot of filtering and happenstance that results in the kinds of collections, 168 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:58,360 fragmented collections that end up as part of a permanent museum collection. 169 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:04,930 So is taking stock of all of those models frocks, 170 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:10,030 things that we use in our current interpretation and thinking about how how much record they 171 00:19:10,030 --> 00:19:16,990 will leave of our current activity if they end up as museum models or accession to objects. 172 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:21,280 So that's my broad brush stroke. Cop out answer. 173 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:30,680 Great. Thank you, Mark. Material models of animals attempt to make the invisible visible, the hard to grasp tangible. 174 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:36,790 They're made from a vast array of materials with often astonishing skill and technologies. 175 00:19:36,790 --> 00:19:42,850 They represent what we know about a particular organism. At a certain point in time, they also ambassadors. 176 00:19:42,850 --> 00:19:48,220 And this is something I realised when I first held a 3D printed seahorse in my hand. 177 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:53,860 While it becomes ethically problematic to buy specimens of organisms like seahorses. 178 00:19:53,860 --> 00:20:02,770 Something of it is captured and communicated in a reproduction so I can still trace its exoskeleton and marvel at its strange symmetry. 179 00:20:02,770 --> 00:20:07,780 The symmetry, incidentally, is being analysed for its potential in robotics. 180 00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:16,490 Seahorses have unusual tails instead of the much more common cylindrical structure that tails have a square cross-section. 181 00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:21,220 And this results in a unique combination of toughness and flexibility. 182 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:27,030 And interestingly, 3D printed seahorses are used in this research. 183 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:35,770 Models on knowledge objects. They have products of knowledge and generate knowledge to trace the complex map of such relationships. 184 00:20:35,770 --> 00:20:40,540 It's part of the HSC funded page project. Nature Replication. 185 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:48,280 I'm undertaking jointly supervised by University College London and the Oxford University Museum of Natural History. 186 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:54,640 It is a journey that has led me from civil suits to dinosaurs to parasites and beyond, 187 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:01,150 from wax plaster and papier mâché to 3D printing and optical models. 188 00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:12,340 Thank you very much for joining me. This podcast was produced by parricide podcast Spill in 2020. 189 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:20,380 The Carnival of Animals by South Soul, performed by the Seattle Youth Symphony Orchestra, was used in the Creative Commons. 190 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:29,874 Some additional sounds whereby some Splatt.