1 00:00:00,210 --> 00:00:05,040 The future is not a destination like Tasmania or the North Pole. 2 00:00:05,790 --> 00:00:12,240 The future of something like the Great Western Railway or the Sydney Harbour Bridge that we imagine plan and build. 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,840 If we don't do it, other people will do it. So it's your job to make the future. 4 00:00:17,850 --> 00:00:23,940 And I'm going to tell you about the future. My views of the future and share these views with you. 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,980 And I can tell you about the future with confidence, not because of vision. 6 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:35,310 Vision. Get your get your either psychiatric referral or sainthood, but in the wonderful words of William Gibson. 7 00:00:36,090 --> 00:00:45,190 The future is here. It's just not evenly distributed. The president of Toyota said Toyota has a knowledge industry either as a car business. 8 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:51,990 He said Knowledge business. So if Toyota's a knowledge business and should a health care and knowledge business were in the knowledge business, 9 00:00:53,400 --> 00:01:01,520 I find it helps to think of a revolution. And this is a revolution we're in the middle of a revolution is the third revolution in health care. 10 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:06,030 The first revolution was a revolution based on epidemiology. 11 00:01:06,870 --> 00:01:10,290 This is the. I'm sure you recognise the cholera map from Soho. 12 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:15,930 Have you been to the pub in London? There's a pub called the John Snow somewhere about about here. 13 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,140 And he didn't know what caused cholera, but he knew something in the water and not some in the air. 14 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:27,690 Ricciardo didn't know. Ricciardo looked out the window in Gower Street, which is beside UCL, 15 00:01:28,290 --> 00:01:32,970 and he thought that it wondered does the internal combustion engine cause lung cancer? 16 00:01:33,690 --> 00:01:36,750 He says Go back to 19 1950s. 17 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:41,850 But he didn't know what caused lung cancer in tobacco smoke when he died. 18 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:49,230 Then the second revolution, the last 50 years I've been 40 years graduated. 19 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,280 We've seen the most amazing changes take place in health care. 20 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,690 And these are the same you know, this was done by scientists. 21 00:01:57,690 --> 00:02:01,169 By who? Who are the engineers here? Yeah, this was done. 22 00:02:01,170 --> 00:02:06,780 This is engineering, you know, physics, chemistry. This is voted the the operation of the century. 23 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,630 So this is heavy, heavy metal science here, bench science working with doctors. 24 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:16,770 But I remember we also invented these things in the last 50 years. 25 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,500 So the second health care revolution has been fantastic. But. 26 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:32,170 After 50 years of progress, every health service in the world still has these five problems. 27 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:43,270 At the top of the slide there problems of quality of safety, waste of resources, health inequalities, and failure to prevent the preventable. 28 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:52,690 Furthermore, in the 21st century, we have these challenges coming. 29 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,350 Rising need and expectations. Climate change. 30 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:03,510 Climate change will affect some countries very quickly, very directly. 31 00:03:04,170 --> 00:03:09,270 And it will affect every country, health care and every country affected by climate change. 32 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:18,580 So we need to think about these challenges. And it may well be that the carbon constraints are more important than the financial constraints. 33 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:27,030 I speak a lot to clinicians and if you are all the the rheumatologists in England or in Europe, 34 00:03:27,180 --> 00:03:31,320 I'd be saying to you, ladies and gentlemen, there is no more money. 35 00:03:32,190 --> 00:03:36,120 In fact, there's probably going to be less money. That's going to be a lot less carbon. 36 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:46,350 The carbon footprint of health care has to fall by 80% from 1997 levels, and that means 90% from here. 37 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,750 So you guys, I run a campaign for better health care, and I'd love you to come up to our campaign. 38 00:03:52,260 --> 00:03:57,420 We need to think of the transformation of clinical practice. I just mentioned the carbon. 39 00:03:58,170 --> 00:04:04,080 I didn't know we're going to have engineers in the audience, and even if we switched to renewable energy completely, 40 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:13,620 we would still not achieve our target because most of the carbon is spent in travel, drugs and equipment to have to change clinical practice. 41 00:04:13,830 --> 00:04:17,129 And that requires technology and new pathways. 42 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:21,390 So these people are no role or remembered of the campaign for being in health care. 43 00:04:21,390 --> 00:04:27,370 It's just two miles up the road, so be good to meet you. Manuel Castells is Spanish. 44 00:04:27,450 --> 00:04:31,410 He wrote a big three volume book called The Network Society. 45 00:04:32,510 --> 00:04:34,540 And the network society says this. 46 00:04:34,910 --> 00:04:41,840 We're in the middle of a third industrial revolution, and the third industrial revolution is driven by these three forces. 47 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,250 It's out of control of politicians and managers. 48 00:04:46,970 --> 00:04:53,000 Now the third revolution is affected, mostly banks and building societies and travel agents. 49 00:04:53,540 --> 00:05:00,320 It's just that we are too slow in the health service to make use of this and this. 50 00:05:00,590 --> 00:05:03,680 And we we don't recognise the power of these people here. 51 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:07,999 And even then, even of course, in England, we're not citizens. 52 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,750 We are subjects. You know that, don't you? You're only citizens in a republic. 53 00:05:11,750 --> 00:05:16,430 But so citizens information and knowledge. 54 00:05:16,430 --> 00:05:22,970 And I'll speak a little bit about some of these issues and then we'll have some discussions. They just didn't find the language I'm going to use. 55 00:05:23,750 --> 00:05:27,470 Knowledge is the sum of all that is known. And the Oxford English Dictionary. 56 00:05:28,250 --> 00:05:33,380 And I find it helpful to think of two types of knowledge. General knowledge. 57 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,730 Which is generalisable wherever you are in Spain and England and Africa. 58 00:05:40,390 --> 00:05:45,459 And particular knowledge. And three types of generalisable knowledge. 59 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:53,050 Knowledge from research we call evidence. Knowledge from the analysis of routinely collected data, recall stats and knowledge from experience. 60 00:05:53,980 --> 00:05:58,570 The knowledge that actually is least well organised now is knowledge from experience. 61 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:05,470 And we're not seeing enough sharing of knowledge. So for the 21st century, what do we need to do? 62 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:10,180 Very simple. Health care is very simple. We need to do the right things. 63 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:13,810 And every year do them better, safer, greener and cheaper. 64 00:06:14,010 --> 00:06:18,489 Okay, that's what we have to do. And I'm just launching a new project in the Department of Health, 65 00:06:18,490 --> 00:06:25,420 and I've been given I'm the washroom lead for doing the right things, doing the right things, not doing things right. 66 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:27,999 We have to do it, doing things better, but doing the right things. 67 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:35,140 And most of what you're doing, the course here is about the right things to do, either as a clinician or manager up here. 68 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:44,230 So I'm going to just speak about four bits of work that we're doing here that are relevant to knowledge. 69 00:06:45,610 --> 00:06:51,820 Number one, professionals and patients need clean, clear knowledge, just as any crinkly water. 70 00:06:52,210 --> 00:06:57,540 And the 19th century health was transformed by clean, clear water. 71 00:06:57,550 --> 00:07:01,570 In the 21st century, health will be transformed by clean, clear knowledge. 72 00:07:02,650 --> 00:07:07,630 What? I mean look clear. But be polluted and poisonous. This. 73 00:07:08,980 --> 00:07:14,900 This is the type of knowledge that most people have. You see, I'm using the metaphor now. 74 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:23,000 I'm not going to say I'm talking about knowledge, but this is what most people in England still get their water like their knowledge like this. 75 00:07:23,930 --> 00:07:29,000 So what are we trying to do? Firstly, we can teach people critical appraisal skills. 76 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:38,270 This is a little filter you can buy to filter out your diocese JDA But really it's much better to give people clean, clear water. 77 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:49,040 And the way we give people clean, clear water as we start off by collecting in reservoirs and this is the reservoir for my home city of Glasgow. 78 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:53,210 Why do we have reservoirs? What's the function of a reservoir? 79 00:07:56,530 --> 00:08:02,450 Engineers. Why do we have reservoirs? Stillwater to Stillwater and. 80 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:10,770 Yes. How does it treated in a reservoir? So that said, the rubbish sinks to the bottom. 81 00:08:10,770 --> 00:08:13,880 So if a sheep dies here, it rolls in. 82 00:08:13,890 --> 00:08:17,220 And that's why people do not need the latest evidence. 83 00:08:17,790 --> 00:08:24,869 John, I already showed a third of all randomised trials that invalidated that right poll within a year of 14 out of 47 or something, 84 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:30,770 randomised trials or were weakened or proved wrong within a year because of publication bias. 85 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:32,640 I'm sure you're studying publication bias. 86 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:44,280 So we gather the evidence and then we the next stage is to filter it filtering like Cochrane reviews systematically as a form of filtering. 87 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:53,100 You take the rubbish out and you can examine the rubbish, but it's there and then we, we send this is, this is what I think the internet looks like. 88 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:57,270 It's big pipes up in the sky somewhere. I mean, that must be how it works. 89 00:08:57,270 --> 00:09:01,380 You and the knowledge flows through these pipes and gets into smaller pipes. 90 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,959 So but the big issue is the water. 91 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,170 The knowledge can get to the door or the hospital or the health centre. 92 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:14,940 But how does how does knowledge appear? 93 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:21,569 How does water appear in the fourth floor of a hospital? Well, this is not for engineers. 94 00:09:21,570 --> 00:09:26,610 They know all about this, not engineers. How does water come out of a tap in the fourth floor of a hospital? 95 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:33,160 One word is coming to your mind over this. Pressure. 96 00:09:35,030 --> 00:09:41,089 So we've we've introduced something called a chief knowledge officer in every health care organisation. 97 00:09:41,090 --> 00:09:44,900 We've said there should be someone at the board level who's responsible for knowledge. 98 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,620 And I'm the chief knowledge also for the NHS. I was given the job with no resources apart from authority. 99 00:09:54,390 --> 00:09:58,290 So you need someone on the board of every health care organisation who's responsible. 100 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:05,270 Ian Chalmers once said, who's responsible for pressing the what's new button in the Cochrane Library? 101 00:10:05,270 --> 00:10:09,380 And saying to the chief exec, Here's three things we should start and two things should stop. 102 00:10:10,730 --> 00:10:15,260 The answer is nobody. Everywhere you look, it's just so everyone acknowledges everybody's on the Internet. 103 00:10:15,260 --> 00:10:20,570 It's in the library. You need to manage knowledge like you manage money and water. 104 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:28,320 So we now have all but 60% of all our health care organisations have someone who says, I'm the chief knowledge officer. 105 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:33,780 The first thing you do, of course, a chief knowledge officer, is you say, Well, I need support, I need a librarian. 106 00:10:34,830 --> 00:10:38,610 And they say, Oh, we don't you know, we don't have any money for librarians who will close the library at 3:00. 107 00:10:39,950 --> 00:10:43,650 Your libraries and libraries. Not more than half a day, anyway. 108 00:10:44,260 --> 00:10:49,740 Yeah. I need the librarian here planning the guidelines or on the water in the boardroom. 109 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:57,540 So the Chief Knowledge Officer is a role as it's a responsibility, not a job. 110 00:11:00,310 --> 00:11:04,270 Again. This is a phrase I use often. Ignorance is like cholera. 111 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:09,879 They kind be controlled with the individual alone. It requires the organised efforts of society. 112 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:16,210 And this, this of course is the definition of public health services, the organised efforts of society. 113 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,440 Okay. So that's the. The first point. 114 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:27,950 Now, here's the second way of of getting knowledge and into operation. 115 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:34,460 Why is it I ask my colleagues who are in senior positions? 116 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:43,160 Why is it we know to the nearest pound? How much we spend on the health centre in Beaumont Street or the Oxford Hospital, 117 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:52,160 and not to the near 100 million how much we spend on heart failure or depression or rheumatoid arthritis. 118 00:11:53,780 --> 00:11:57,140 What business are we in with the business running buildings? 119 00:11:57,620 --> 00:12:00,980 Are we in the business of dealing with headache and rheumatoid arthritis and bronchitis? 120 00:12:02,010 --> 00:12:07,380 And the answer, of course, is core business are health problems like presentations and conditions. 121 00:12:07,890 --> 00:12:13,350 No country I know has any idea. I believe some business of that program budgeting. 122 00:12:14,010 --> 00:12:21,870 We now have program budgeting. But for example, I know we spend £4 billion on respiratory disease. 123 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:30,690 Plus or -300 million. But when you actually see, well, how much is spent on asthma and how much was spent in chronic bronchitis. 124 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:34,440 Then we've still got a budget saying £2 billion other. 125 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:39,370 We have no idea how much has been a slip up. Neo and no other country. 126 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:46,180 No, no in history. But the next stage is to create program budgets and then create systems. 127 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,900 Now these are three words which are the words of the 21st century. 128 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:58,150 The 20th century was the century of the doctor and the hospital. 129 00:12:58,870 --> 00:13:08,980 The 21st century is a century of the patient. The system and the system is a set of activities with a common set of objectives. 130 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:18,070 And you people, of course in engineering will be very familiar with systems and a network is a set of organisation individuals 131 00:13:18,070 --> 00:13:25,479 who deliver the system and a pathway the route that most patients follow through the network systems, 132 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,430 networks, pathways, knowledge systems, networks, pathways. 133 00:13:31,390 --> 00:13:37,990 That's what we were. I mean, I know you do lots of numbers and evidence based medicine, but it's really language, it's words that change things. 134 00:13:39,490 --> 00:13:50,080 So here's an example of a system. This was developed by Alice in St Louis, and she got involved in a problem with what's called blood spot screening. 135 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:54,400 It's about a blood taken on the heel of a newborn and there's a mix up. 136 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,390 And she said, Look, this is chaos. Most of health care is Brownian motion. 137 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,330 The random movement of patients, clinicians and samples. 138 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:10,740 And it took her maybe five years to do this. Sickle cell disease, very complicated. 139 00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:15,040 Lots of different ethnic groups, different carrier states, very complex. 140 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,090 But there. Objectives. Criteria standard. 141 00:14:20,190 --> 00:14:27,300 So we now know what we're trying to do and we can now measure progress or the lack of it and compare it with standard. 142 00:14:30,790 --> 00:14:34,030 Here is a pathway, and this is software called the map of medicine. 143 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:38,890 And this is very simple. This is a breast cancer assessment. 144 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:45,260 And we give this to women. So that women can find out their path. 145 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,780 You know, if you're a breast cancer specialist, you don't need this. 146 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:53,640 If you drive from Oxford to Banbury every day, you read the map of Oxford at Banbury. 147 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,490 But if you're driving to Exeter for the first time or you haven't driven to excel for some time, 148 00:15:00,090 --> 00:15:03,660 or if it may, maybe roadworks or something, you as happened, you need a map. 149 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:09,180 This is called the map of medicines, a software. It was developed and I was involved in it, say, 150 00:15:09,270 --> 00:15:15,659 from its earliest days and funding it because it just seemed to me this is something very powerful and you 151 00:15:15,660 --> 00:15:21,230 start to put in here and this links in here to Cochrane reviews you can start to put in things here like, 152 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,959 like telephone numbers of clinics and a whole variety of, of local stuff. 153 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,990 But it's technology. It's very simple sort of. 154 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:39,890 Now I mentioned networking. And you see, the 20th century was a centre of the bureaucracy and the hierarchy. 155 00:15:40,970 --> 00:15:46,880 The 21st century is essentially a network. And is it a nice. 156 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:49,940 This is a very important book, actually, Clayton Christiansen's book. 157 00:15:50,690 --> 00:15:54,530 And he's written most of it, Engineering and The Innovator's Dilemma, as you may know. 158 00:15:55,220 --> 00:16:00,380 And the subtitle of The Innovator's Dilemma is When New Technologies Cause Great Companies to Fail. 159 00:16:01,940 --> 00:16:09,290 For example, he said, Oh, personal computers are a sort of passing fad, doesn't exist anymore. 160 00:16:10,190 --> 00:16:16,160 When hydraulic pumps come in, a number of our digging companies said, well, hydraulics, what's that? 161 00:16:16,170 --> 00:16:20,000 You know, we'll use them to drive the the wires a bit faster. 162 00:16:21,490 --> 00:16:29,590 Don't exist anymore. He's written this vanishing book with two doctors called Individuals Prescription and Networks. 163 00:16:30,850 --> 00:16:40,480 It's people working together who trust one another. And of course, with the Internet that has really created made it much easier to work in networks. 164 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:47,710 But networks exist long before the Internet, and we need to think of ways in which we use networking. 165 00:16:48,670 --> 00:16:52,630 You see, it's often an alternative to either markets or hierarchies. 166 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:58,790 Transactions, transactions are quoted and controlled on a mutually agreed basis. 167 00:16:58,810 --> 00:17:03,680 This is a very good definition. This is one of the classic books in an organisation. 168 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:11,830 We can give you all these references and things. So in the 20th century, we did this. 169 00:17:12,730 --> 00:17:18,760 And the 21st century, we've moved to this. It's not hub and spoke. 170 00:17:18,940 --> 00:17:23,440 We're not letting the teaching hospital say, well, we the centre centre, I think. 171 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:33,160 No, actually I am. I've said this to Paul that if I were creating, I was in the position I was in many years ago with the evidence based medicine. 172 00:17:33,940 --> 00:17:39,430 I would not have called it the Centre for Evidence based Medicine that I call it the evidence based medicine programme at Oxford. 173 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:50,060 Just just at Oxford. So it could be at Barcelona or it could be, you know, for Spain or it could be, you know, the just to say the language. 174 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:58,750 Very important. Neither is it. A market, nor is it one blob taking over the others. 175 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:06,910 You see, the the you see you have to have hierarchies, bureaucracies to manage money and employ people. 176 00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:13,480 But hierarchies cannot solve complex problems. Only this can solve complex problems. 177 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:23,230 Supposing I was discussing today the epilepsy in London, and my guess is spent about to £50 million in epilepsy in London. 178 00:18:23,950 --> 00:18:30,730 No one's got an idea what's happening. So how would you how would you make epilepsy care better? 179 00:18:31,450 --> 00:18:37,360 One way is to say, well, well, you know, we'll get the chief executives and they'll tell the people under them and they'll tell them it doesn't work. 180 00:18:37,660 --> 00:18:41,590 Too complicated, too complex. These are what's called complex adaptive systems. 181 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:48,610 So what you want to do is get all the people with epilepsy and parents and people like teachers of learning disabled 182 00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:55,870 children together because half of learning is disabled children have epilepsy and you get neurologists and GP's and you say, 183 00:18:55,870 --> 00:19:01,929 okay, let's spend a day just talking about epilepsy and you know, what are the problems and what we can do about it. 184 00:19:01,930 --> 00:19:07,150 And solutions will emerge not from command and control but through networks. 185 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:17,530 And you see these people. Someone said to me, what you need to create a network of for rheumatoid arthritis in London, in the north of London. 186 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:28,870 I said, you need you need to have a professor of neurology who believes that he or she is no more important than a pharmacist. 187 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:35,050 And in Welwyn Garden City or a GP in Camden or a patient in Islington. 188 00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:41,610 So if a patient doesn't take the medicine, the patient is at least as important as the professor. 189 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:47,610 She's a different type of important. This is this is revolutionary stuff, of course. 190 00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:51,270 Networks are revolutionaries different from that. 191 00:19:53,400 --> 00:20:02,250 And just this issue of creativity is a very, very good book called The Knowledge Creating Company that I think the engineers, 192 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:07,620 if you're going into innovation and this how the Japanese industry creates new things. 193 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,790 It creates networks cutting across organisations. 194 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:15,719 It's got a very firm bureaucracy, but it's creates these networks. 195 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,660 That's how the bread making machine was developed over the other. 196 00:20:18,990 --> 00:20:25,080 So the Lexis, you know, these are you can encourage creativity by bringing together these networks. 197 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:32,100 You make them what they call hypertext organisations. Okay, now the third thing, the patient, the citizen. 198 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:38,290 Now imagine I've got familial hypercholesterolaemia. This is the way it will be. 199 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:45,630 I get reminders by my phone. Why is it someone said that my hairdresser can send me reminders but not the NHS? 200 00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:49,770 Very good question. And then the lab result comes to me. 201 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:56,640 I might just slip this into our recent review. And so the lab result comes to me in something like this. 202 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:01,680 And here's an example of what the lab results will look like. 203 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,670 And it says, Cholesterol unchanged. 204 00:21:06,570 --> 00:21:10,650 It says, look, this last test was only done 12 months ago. 205 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:18,510 If you, your doctor send other tests, we're going to check it out. And it says, here, you see, the first test is increase the amount you walk. 206 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:23,250 Try to walk an extra 30 minutes a day to find a big dog. 207 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:37,710 Click here and. You see the lab is my post code the labs at Google and this is this is like this is in Abingdon. 208 00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:43,640 That's in Abingdon. That's six miles from here. Very simple, isn't it? 209 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:55,540 Does it happen? Not at all. You see, 150 million lab reports are sent out, usually on paper or electronically to GP's. 210 00:21:56,650 --> 00:22:01,180 So then I've got to drive to the health centre or take a morning off work or phone up or something. 211 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:08,200 Of course this issue with doctors. Many doctors will immediately say, well, I can think of a patient who doesn't want it that way. 212 00:22:08,290 --> 00:22:13,179 Okay. Well, I can think of 30 million who do. So they start with 30 million. 213 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:16,990 You do another 20 million a year and you'll have to for them, operate them or do something. 214 00:22:17,620 --> 00:22:24,190 But yeah, that would probably save, you know, 30 million visits to the doctor every year. 215 00:22:24,910 --> 00:22:28,620 600 million prescriptions, the same thing. Now, here's patients. 216 00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:34,240 This is something I helped a young doctor start, which is proved very interesting, very controversial. 217 00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:37,630 I want great care and it's very simple. 218 00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:42,040 It's providing ratings on feedback, on on services. 219 00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:48,090 And we start off with giving ratings and doctors, which the BMA didn't like. 220 00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:55,480 But everything's rated these days. You know, there's a there's an article in the Atlantic Monthly if it moves rated, 221 00:22:55,630 --> 00:22:58,960 you know, and in America, kids are rating a schoolteacher in the USA. 222 00:22:59,710 --> 00:23:07,600 So you maybe maybe rating me at the moment I you on your right. But increasingly, we're turning this into what's called co-production. 223 00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:14,590 That if patients are having their time wasted, should it professions are wasting their time. 224 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:21,220 My wife went to pick up some from hospital, took her about 4 hours to take them home and get a prescription. 225 00:23:22,790 --> 00:23:24,930 Well, it wasn't like her time was being wasted. 226 00:23:24,990 --> 00:23:29,780 You know, it's just the most the clinician say I was always like this, you know, no, no, we can't do it that way. 227 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:33,650 She said, Well, can you why can't you write a prescription or it's not possible, you know. 228 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:47,600 And so the idea I've now started to think a lot more about citizens, a good a good experience for patients is, is not only an end, it's a means. 229 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,120 Is crowdsourcing is the jargon, one of the very clever young people who I worked with on this. 230 00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:56,840 He said to me, Oh, crowd sourcing. That's a very 2009 concept. 231 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:08,950 It was that thing. InnoCentive is the innovation website, the innovation competitions, and these are things people produce, 232 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,830 have problems up on the web for other people to solve, either with rewards or without rewards. 233 00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:19,310 And a lot of brainpower out there doing these things that, of course, Amanda's think, well, idea is very similar. 234 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,360 The last thing effectiveness and cost effectiveness are 20th century concepts, which are equally valid. 235 00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:30,980 But in the 21st century, we need to think of values. 236 00:24:31,460 --> 00:24:40,370 And this is my very simple model, which stands me stood quite well over ten years when speaking to clinicians. 237 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:48,410 For example, there's the evidence, the clinical condition of this patient and the values of this patient and. 238 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:55,059 And this is what what Peter Rothman calls personalised medicine here, 239 00:24:55,060 --> 00:25:01,000 how you relate that and decision support, of course, tries to do this not very well, 240 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:07,899 but increasingly we'll see a decision support system of trying to relate the evidence to my particular clinical situation. 241 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:15,430 So that's a computerised decision support system. And then when we think of populations, there's a similar model. 242 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:21,000 So the evidence about breast cancer screening is the same in Hong Kong as in England. 243 00:25:21,010 --> 00:25:26,740 But because breast cancer is much less common in Hong Kong, they decided not to implement breast cancer screening. 244 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:38,770 I think they have no because of a value decision. And it's very important to remember that politicians can make any decision they want. 245 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,020 Values Trump Evidence. In a democracy. 246 00:25:44,140 --> 00:25:48,210 A U.S. officials, as you will be, name a people paid to give advice. 247 00:25:49,170 --> 00:25:53,940 You've got to live with that and you have to know what your point of resignation is. 248 00:25:55,020 --> 00:26:01,880 But the minister, when I dealt with scrutiny of the minister, wanted to introduce prostate cancer screening against my will. 249 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:09,389 My advice was, don't do it. But the politicians, if they felt well, men are very concerned about this and they feel it makes it less anxious. 250 00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:12,540 And they meet lots of men who have had a PSA test and I'm still alive. 251 00:26:12,540 --> 00:26:19,840 Therefore it must work and I haven't persuaded them. Then it's values trump evidence. 252 00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:24,470 You just have to decide whether you can live with it or not. Values Trump evidence. 253 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:33,200 They are very good writing. But this is a book by Marc Mauer called Creating Public Value, not about health care, about how we do these things. 254 00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:39,260 And finally say, this is the the charity I run called the Campaign for Health Care. 255 00:26:39,770 --> 00:26:44,060 And I'm hoping that many of you will come in and work with me. 256 00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:48,169 Certainly, I'd love to see the engineers and talk about the sort of problems we're facing. 257 00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:54,020 But these problems are going to be we've finished with a just to say a word about sustainability, 258 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,450 because climate change is the major challenge that health faces in the 21st century. 259 00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:04,910 And sustainable health care equals sustainable estates and facilities. 260 00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:11,270 Plus sustainable clinical practice in clinical practice in the 21st century will have four features. 261 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,190 Every clinician will be involved in prevention because prevention is the best 262 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:20,360 thing to do for preventing the reducing the carbon footprint of health care. 263 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:25,280 Secondly, patient centred care put the patient at the centre of everything. 264 00:27:25,790 --> 00:27:30,530 Not for moral reasons, but for practical reasons. Thirdly, leading pathways. 265 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:34,950 There are millions of follow up visits for which there is no evidence. 266 00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:38,850 So let's rip those out and reduce the pathway. 267 00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:45,690 And fourthly, a balancing one of low carbon treatment options, online psychotherapy as opposed to drugs. 268 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:54,569 And so we'll see how technology in future we'll have to assess the carbon footprint of technology as well as the financial cost. 269 00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:59,850 And I mean, to discuss that with you guys as you're starting to think about both the direct carbon costs of what you're 270 00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:06,390 designing and the indirect carbon costs or the indirect carbon savings of the number of visits reduced. 271 00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:14,160 My friends at Public Health and am in North Yorkshire, which are very big parts of England and the NHS staff, 272 00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:23,210 never mind the patients drove 16 million miles last year. And one out of 152 primary care trusts has a lot of copper. 273 00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:29,120 So we have to find solutions to that. So that's the future. 274 00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:33,970 The and these are the four principles about knowledge. 275 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:39,530 There's lots of other things to think about. For example, how do you develop payment systems that encourage good behaviour? 276 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:44,030 Because the payment system we've got at the moment encourages bad behaviour, namely more hostile admissions. 277 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:48,980 And these are for ideas, for managing knowledge. 278 00:28:49,550 --> 00:28:57,200 I'd like you to turn to your neighbour. Remember, I've only spoken about a part of the future, primarily concerned with knowledge and sustainability. 279 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,709 I'd like you to reflect on what I've been saying and come up with other ideas 280 00:29:00,710 --> 00:29:04,820 about how the 21st century health care will be different from 20th century. 281 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:11,540 I will take some feedback. Okay, so 2 minutes to discuss this with someone else and then we'll have 10 minutes to take feedback. 282 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,630 Okay, starting now. Keep the lights up, please.