1 00:00:01,980 --> 00:00:09,500 Hi there, welcome to today's St Cross seminar. The title of my talk today is Waiver or Understanding. 2 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:19,650 Dilemma for Autonomist is about informed consent. The thesis for which I like to argue today is that we should reject the requirement 3 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:26,250 that understanding the standard disclosure is a necessary condition for valid, 4 00:00:26,250 --> 00:00:32,820 informed consent. This is a conclusion that I've argued for before in previous work. 5 00:00:32,820 --> 00:00:41,640 But today I want to argue for the same old conclusion, as it were, with a completely different argument. 6 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:47,100 So just to give you a little preview, there will be five sections in the talk. 7 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:54,780 I'm going to start with a very brief background on some elements of informed consent. 8 00:00:54,780 --> 00:01:02,730 And then I want to try to outline the core dilemma that's going to structure my discussion. 9 00:01:02,730 --> 00:01:06,960 And I'll begin by doing that in a kind of abstract way. 10 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:13,710 And then I want to sort of motivate or fill in the background to this dilemma a little bit by describing some 11 00:01:13,710 --> 00:01:23,340 stylised cases to give the idea that the sort of presuppositions of the dilemma are plausible and on that basis, 12 00:01:23,340 --> 00:01:27,090 that they want to argue to different kinds of thing. 13 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:36,030 On the one hand, which is my kind of primary argument, I want to argue that people who, as it were, believe in an autonomy, 14 00:01:36,030 --> 00:01:44,100 justification for informed consent, have to accept a version of my conclusion, 15 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:50,460 which is that they need a new argument for a main piece of their position. 16 00:01:50,460 --> 00:01:58,680 And then finally, as a sort of secondary argument, I want to sort of pivot and address the same structure to everybody else, 17 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:06,480 the people who don't begin by believing that autonomy has this privileged position in the justification 18 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:15,480 of informed consent and to try to convince them or you that the same conclusion should be accepted, 19 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,730 that I tried to urge on the believers in autonomy. 20 00:02:20,730 --> 00:02:34,320 OK, so in very general terms, there are two different contexts, medical context, in which it's common to talk about requirements of informed consent. 21 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:44,200 One is the clinical context and the other is context of doing research, particularly randomised clinical trials in principle. 22 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,420 My discussion is general and applies across both contexts, 23 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:55,290 but I'm going to develop it primarily in the context of research, in the context of clinical trials. 24 00:02:55,290 --> 00:02:58,560 More specifically, as you'll see, 25 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:09,540 I'm going to understand the requirement of informed consent has really been kind of composed or broken down into two primary duties, 26 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:14,470 one related to disclosure and the other related to consent, I take it. 27 00:03:14,470 --> 00:03:18,960 And that's pretty standard fare. More generally. 28 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:31,380 You can see it's a common feature of analysis of informed consent in sort of medical research contexts to single out five elements or components, 29 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:33,660 which I won't review in great detail, 30 00:03:33,660 --> 00:03:43,440 but I'm just taking it that the disclosure requirement and the understanding requirement are two of these sort of five standard features. 31 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:55,800 And in a way, my concern is about how we should understand the relation between them as part of the apparatus of informed consent. 32 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:03,930 So the detail that really kind of gives the special colour to this version of the argument in this 33 00:04:03,930 --> 00:04:13,800 apparatus is the focus I'm going to provide on the idea that it's possible for either patients or subjects 34 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:21,540 to waive the duties that professionals have in relation to them to obtain their informed consent and 35 00:04:21,540 --> 00:04:30,420 in particular to disclose various bits of information to them before seeking to obtain their consent. 36 00:04:30,420 --> 00:04:37,380 There's a reasonably good discussion about this in a legal textbook by Jessica Baird and colleagues 37 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:43,680 that primarily focuses on the clinical context and on the kind of common law background. 38 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:49,050 But I think it's a sort of reasonably accepted general feature that in many 39 00:04:49,050 --> 00:04:56,370 jurisdictions there is this right to weigh some or all parts of the required disclosure. 40 00:04:56,370 --> 00:05:00,870 This is one context. There'll be a number of them in which, you know, I'd be actually quite interested. 41 00:05:00,870 --> 00:05:09,180 To hear whether there are differences in this regard between the U.K. jurisdiction and what, you know, 42 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:17,740 one may regard as standard truths in an American context that actually don't travel as well as some people might think. 43 00:05:17,740 --> 00:05:25,830 So in a way, that kind of main point about this availability of the right option to waive some part 44 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:33,690 of the disclosure is that a subject who waives all or part of the standard disclosure, 45 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:44,880 at least in the kind of common case where the subject doesn't already independently understand exactly what's being reviewed in that disclosure? 46 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:53,400 Exercising their waiver basically guarantees that they will fail to understand the relevant parts of the disclosure. 47 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,320 So it's not just that there's a right or an option available to way, but that the consequence, 48 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:07,560 the predictable consequence of exercising it is guaranteeing that the subject fails to understand the disclosure. 49 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,480 So on that basis, you can see that kind of basic parts of the dilemma that I want to work with. 50 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:18,810 My main kind of overarching background claim is that in this context, 51 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:27,300 it can't both be true that understanding the standard of disclosure is a necessary condition of valid consent 52 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:34,200 to join a randomised clinical trial and also that there is a right or if you want to say more specifically, 53 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:43,830 a justified right to waive the disclosure. So I'm going to refer to these as we go along as the kind of left heart and the right heart of the dilemma. 54 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:49,200 But the basic point is that given what the consequence of exercising the waiver is, 55 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:57,810 it can't both be true that you're required to understand the disclosure, but you have a justified right to waive it. 56 00:06:57,810 --> 00:07:05,940 If you like. You can kind of fine tune this a little bit by kind of taking advantage of the fact that the right to waive the disclosure may 57 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:14,070 only operate over part of the disclosure and also that the claim that understanding is necessary may only be strictly true. 58 00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:24,300 For part of the disclosure, the fine tuned version of the dilemma is just the scope of the understanding requirement and the scope of the 59 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:34,050 right to waive can't operate with respect to the same part of the disclosure on pain of getting an inconsistency. 60 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:40,470 OK, this assumes in the background, which I am assuming, and which also sounds pretty reasonable to me, 61 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:51,270 that the existence and justification for a right to waive presupposes that exercising that right nevertheless leaves the subject 62 00:07:51,270 --> 00:07:59,040 or the prospective participant with the option of continuing on to agree to participate in the randomised clinical trial. 63 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:05,190 So by saying there's a right to waive the disclosure, what I have in mind is there's a right to waive the disclosure, 64 00:08:05,190 --> 00:08:13,380 which includes exercising that right, but nevertheless hanging on to the option to participate in the clinical trial. 65 00:08:13,380 --> 00:08:19,580 OK, if. Consenting to participate in a clinical trial is a necessary condition of 66 00:08:19,580 --> 00:08:25,820 participating and having valid consent is a necessary condition of consenting. 67 00:08:25,820 --> 00:08:35,230 And if understanding is a necessary condition about consent, you run into the basic problem of this. 68 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:40,810 OK, so that is the kind of abstract background of the argument, as you will, 69 00:08:40,810 --> 00:08:48,490 before I proceed to the argument, I just want to sketch in some kind of stylised cases, 70 00:08:48,490 --> 00:08:59,080 you might say, to give you the idea that it's actually reasonable, at least sometimes for some people in some context, 71 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:05,260 for someone to want to do both of the two things that the arms of the dilemma address, 72 00:09:05,260 --> 00:09:10,990 namely to want both to be able to waive all or part of the disclosure, 73 00:09:10,990 --> 00:09:19,360 but nevertheless also to want to agree or to have the option of agreeing to participate in the relevant trial. 74 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:24,280 In the abstract, you might think, well, who would want to put these two things together? 75 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,020 That's kind of crazy. 76 00:09:26,020 --> 00:09:35,950 I want to try to suggest that actually, at least in some context, that's a pretty reasonable pair of things to want to have the option to do together. 77 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:48,010 And here I might say that the second two of my stylised examples kind of draw on Karl Schneider's work in his old book, The Practise of Autonomy. 78 00:09:48,010 --> 00:09:54,460 In his book, he's developing a critique of something that he calls mandatory autonomy. 79 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:59,830 There's a way in which both kind of in the abstract, but also in the use of these cases. 80 00:09:59,830 --> 00:10:06,370 The critique or the argument that I want to develop is structurally similar to Snyders. 81 00:10:06,370 --> 00:10:12,250 The difference being that he's focussing on the case of individuals who want 82 00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:19,030 to get the information relevant to make a decision to be properly informed, 83 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:22,840 but then nevertheless to have the option of not making the decision themselves, 84 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,970 letting someone else, a family member or the doctor, make the decision for them. 85 00:10:27,970 --> 00:10:35,650 Whereas I'm interested in the sort of reverse scenario, someone who's not interested in having some or all of the relevant information, 86 00:10:35,650 --> 00:10:41,920 but nevertheless is interested in not only making the relevant decision, but making it affirmatively. 87 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:47,980 That's to say actually deciding that they want to participate in a trial in a different, 88 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:53,860 different course is that his discussion and cases are primarily drawn from the clinical arena where, 89 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:58,360 as I say, I'm orienting myself to the research case. 90 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,540 But that argument is actually pretty generic. 91 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:12,880 So the second and third cases I'm going to give you are variants of what Schneider calls his divided self hypothesis. 92 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:18,880 OK, here's a case, a you might say the basic sort of generic case of this kind, 93 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:26,860 it's a case of a person whose conception of what information is relevant or important to his or her decision 94 00:11:26,860 --> 00:11:35,200 differs in one or more ways from the conception that's been standardised in the uniform disclosure. 95 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:44,170 Not only that, but the person is conscious, perhaps because she's aware of the quite strong data on the ways in which 96 00:11:44,170 --> 00:11:52,030 information overload can lead to poor or bad or even self-defeating decisions, 97 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:57,610 aware of the dangers of information overload and having a different set of preferences 98 00:11:57,610 --> 00:12:02,290 in terms of what's really important information relative to the standard conception, 99 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:12,340 this person wants to kind of fine tune or tailor which information she receives and just not receive information that isn't relevant to her, 100 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:18,220 but runs the risk of landing her with information overload. 101 00:12:18,220 --> 00:12:25,540 So here's an example. It turns out I can tell you already that the main part of my slide is not that easy to see. 102 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:26,710 So I apologise for that. 103 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:38,200 So Laura Mesko and Kevin Wynford, colleagues of mine at Duke, did a bunch of survey work kind of investigating people's preferences for information, 104 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:46,090 in particular as part of an informed consent for bio repository study. 105 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:54,130 And they, amongst other things, found some striking differences in the preferences as between kind of experts and laypeople, 106 00:12:54,130 --> 00:13:00,280 in particular differences in their preferences as between IRBM members, 107 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:12,100 research ethics board members, and the subjects concerning which parts of the standard disclosure were important or relevant to include. 108 00:13:12,100 --> 00:13:15,700 So I'm just going to give you one example, and this is the bit I apologise. 109 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:18,460 You have trouble reading. I can tell you what it says. 110 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:29,530 So the right to withdraw as a standard part of what's disclosed as part of an informed consent process when something that IRBM members, 111 00:13:29,530 --> 00:13:34,900 95 percent of them rated this as extremely important, 112 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:46,270 whereas only 58 percent of the subjects reported this as an item that they thought was very important to know or to be told as part of the disclosure. 113 00:13:46,270 --> 00:13:57,400 So there's, you know, roughly 40 percent difference between laypeople and experts in the importance of this particular item. 114 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:06,700 OK, case B, again, these are modelled on Schlyter. Remember, as a person patient subject who has a terminal condition, 115 00:14:06,700 --> 00:14:14,050 some particular randomised clinical trial offers them the last and only chance at an effective therapy. 116 00:14:14,050 --> 00:14:22,120 This is information that's both true and believed by the subjects and subject trusts her doctor. 117 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,190 But subject nevertheless fears that learning the details of the risk benefit analysis 118 00:14:27,190 --> 00:14:34,060 for this trial will scare her off her kind of already made decision to enrol. 119 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:41,230 So for her, waiving that part of the information in the disclosure is part of a Ulysse strategy, 120 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:47,250 in effect, to kind of bind her to the choice that she's already made. 121 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:54,790 That variant of this case has the same structure, only the difference is that now the person is not a terminal patient, 122 00:14:54,790 --> 00:15:00,910 but an altruistic volunteer who just doesn't care about the details of a trial. 123 00:15:00,910 --> 00:15:07,990 Their interest in participating has to do with their altruism, their desire to further science. 124 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:17,620 And, you know, the details of what exactly they're signing up for don't matter to that decision. 125 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:25,900 But they do fear that learning about them, in particular learning about the risk benefit details will scare them off the decision to enrol. 126 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:33,670 And so, again, waiving that information is a kind of U.S. strategy that they adopt. 127 00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:38,290 OK. As a general thesis, you may say, you know, 128 00:15:38,290 --> 00:15:48,580 alarm bells go off when you are told that a particular altruistic volunteer doesn't care about the details of the trial, that enrolment for. 129 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:57,100 But here, I think we could add particular details both about the trial and the individual to make this a rational attitude. 130 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:04,360 So, of course, sometimes you might say in scary cases, for example, and in standard cases of individuals, 131 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:13,810 the attitude in question may be questionable, but in many other cases it may also be perfectly reasonable. 132 00:16:13,810 --> 00:16:23,830 OK, as a general matter, the point is there may be a perfectly good reason for the patient subject to adopt the utilities strategy, 133 00:16:23,830 --> 00:16:32,480 and that's what would give her a reason to combine the waiver strategy with nevertheless wanting to enrol. 134 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:40,100 OK, so that is the basic set up to the whole argument now I'm going to give you these two different arguments. 135 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:49,310 One pitched more specifically at people who believe in the importance of autonomy for justifying informed consent. 136 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:58,820 And then later, I'll come back to a sort of variant of the argument addressed to everybody else. 137 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:07,730 So, again, this is the second point at which actually I'd be interested to hear if my description 138 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:16,160 of a part of the target is one that fits better in the United States than it fits here. 139 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,130 Certainly, I think it's fair to say that in the United States, 140 00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:29,690 the standard default justification offered for the requirements of informed consent is an appeal to autonomy. 141 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:38,750 Both, I would say, at the general level. That's to say that this is meant to be the crucial part of the justification for 142 00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:45,290 the entire doctrine of informed consent in all its sort of multiform details. 143 00:17:45,290 --> 00:17:57,200 But also more specifically, it's meant to be a crucial part of the justification for the very requirement that I'm targeting in the discussion, 144 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:10,850 namely the claim that understanding, the required disclosure is a necessary condition of valid informed consent to participate in a trial. 145 00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:23,510 And maybe that, to my mind, it's actually quite hard to find a well-developed, articulated example of such justifications, 146 00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:30,890 as opposed just to the claim or the assertion that autonomy plays this role in that justification. 147 00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:35,750 But for the purposes of a target for this argument, that doesn't matter to me. 148 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:44,190 What I'm going to try to show is that in a certain way, the conclusion can't be right, no matter how you fill in the background. 149 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:48,650 You OK? And the way I would do that is by beginning, 150 00:18:48,650 --> 00:18:59,510 not from the question what's required or is it possible to justify the requirement of understanding as a necessary condition? 151 00:18:59,510 --> 00:19:01,430 That left part of the dilemma. 152 00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:10,340 But rather, I want to focus on the right horn of the dilemma, the question of the right to waive a part of the disclosure, 153 00:19:10,340 --> 00:19:16,590 or more specifically, in a way, the justified option to waive the disclosure. 154 00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:21,800 It's actually not important for my discussion whether we conceive of the option 155 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,170 to waive the disclosure of something that properly qualifies as a right. 156 00:19:27,170 --> 00:19:35,240 And in particular, I want to say. The argument should begin by asking from the standpoint of autonomy, 157 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:45,980 how does a justification for having the option to waive the disclosure fair in general terms that I want to argue or suggest, 158 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:54,080 is that a justification for having the option to waive the disclosure is actually quite 159 00:19:54,080 --> 00:20:00,830 easy or straightforward to justify in relation or by reference to the value of autonomy. 160 00:20:00,830 --> 00:20:07,220 I want to give you two different examples of attempts to sketch in some such justification. 161 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:14,930 So the first attempt focuses on the fact that using or exercising the option to waive the 162 00:20:14,930 --> 00:20:22,850 standard or part of the standard disclosure is a straightforward exercise of autonomy. 163 00:20:22,850 --> 00:20:27,530 It's making a choice over the conditions of one's own life. 164 00:20:27,530 --> 00:20:28,610 More specifically, 165 00:20:28,610 --> 00:20:40,910 it's making a choice over the conditions of some particular decision that one has to make and making that choice over the conditions of that decision, 166 00:20:40,910 --> 00:20:53,780 in particular as an attempt to shape the conditions, to bring them better into line with one's own kind of values and preferences. 167 00:20:53,780 --> 00:21:00,230 That description is using the waiver is an exercise of autonomy holds, 168 00:21:00,230 --> 00:21:06,590 even if it turns out that a consequence of that decision is that some later choice one makes. 169 00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:14,450 For example, the choice to enrol in the trial turns out to be less autonomous because, for example, 170 00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:25,130 it turns out to be less informed and on the assumption that you think information or information is a condition of autonomy. 171 00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:32,150 This all to the good just because it's perfectly coherent and possible to decide 172 00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:39,200 autonomously to accept a limited loss of autonomy on some occasion in the future. 173 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:52,490 And that's both true and coherent, even if one holds that there are limits to the extent to which one can autonomously decide to forego autonomy. 174 00:21:52,490 --> 00:22:04,550 So at the extreme, it's a well known position, for example, that contracts to sell or bind oneself into slavery not only are void, 175 00:22:04,550 --> 00:22:09,620 but in particular can't be justified by reference to the value of autonomy. 176 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:13,190 So one can accept that and even something weaker than that, 177 00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:21,740 while still insisting that some choice to accept a limited loss of autonomy in the future is not only both possible, 178 00:22:21,740 --> 00:22:27,800 but remains itself an exercise of autonomy. 179 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:33,080 Of course, one might insist in line with this position. 180 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:38,120 I take it the opponent will insist that as an autonomous choice, 181 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:46,550 the choice to waive the disclosure or some part of the disclosure itself has to be made under certain conditions, 182 00:22:46,550 --> 00:22:53,130 and these conditions might well include understanding of relevant parts of information. 183 00:22:53,130 --> 00:23:03,590 OK, so I'm happy to accept that that's consistent with the claim that it's both coherent and justified autonomously to decide 184 00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:13,250 to accept a larger loss of autonomy in the future as long as the information that's required for the first choice. 185 00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:21,290 The choice of the waiver to be autonomous is different from the information that's required for the later choice, 186 00:23:21,290 --> 00:23:26,960 say the choice to enrol and the trial is required. 187 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:34,160 And on the face of it, I think that both looks correct and perfectly sensible. 188 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:41,290 So I go to an example in a minute. But more generally, the argument is. 189 00:23:41,290 --> 00:23:46,330 If those two sets of required bits of information overlap, 190 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:55,330 then insisting that the choice to waive the disclosure can only be made autonomously if it's informed 191 00:23:55,330 --> 00:24:03,280 in a way that actually will remove or obliterate the later choice is somewhat kind of incoherent. 192 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:12,370 But in any case, I think we can just by example and description, show that those two sets of information conditions are distinct. 193 00:24:12,370 --> 00:24:24,640 So, for example, it may be that as part of deciding autonomously to waive the risk benefit information for a particular randomised controlled trial, 194 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:32,470 one is considering joining. One has to be told that the trial does have specific risk benefit ratio. 195 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:39,820 And if one waives that part of the disclosure, one will be ignorant of what that ratio is. 196 00:24:39,820 --> 00:24:48,820 That's one kind of information. And you may need to receive that information in order autonomously to waive the disclosure. 197 00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:58,480 Nevertheless, what's required, you know, in the standard view to autonomously enrol in the trial itself is a different piece of information, 198 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:05,650 namely the actual details of what the risk benefit ratio for that trial are. 199 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:10,600 OK? And so one can be given the information needed to make the waiver choice 200 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,330 autonomous without yet being given the information that one is trying to avoid. 201 00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:28,210 And that's meant to be required for the enrolment. So these two pieces of the puzzle remain coherently fit together. 202 00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:35,590 OK, that was one kind of way of trying to show how, from the standpoint of autonomy, 203 00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:41,110 having the option to waive part of the disclosure is perfectly justifiable. 204 00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:47,520 Here's the second kind of differently formed detent. 205 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,040 If you're presented with some individual who, 206 00:25:50,040 --> 00:26:00,000 as it happens once and reports that he would like to waive the disclosure and nevertheless hang on to the option to enrol in trial, 207 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,640 if we deny this person, I guess that change the person's gender in the middle, 208 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:14,430 if we deny this person the option, that is tantamount to forcing her to receive the standard disclosure or at least forcing 209 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:20,760 her to receive it on pain of losing the option to enrol in the randomised clinical trial. 210 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:28,560 So a different way to put the second point attempt is to notice that denying people the option to waive the 211 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:38,610 disclosure in the case when they don't want to receive it is equivalent to forcing them to receive the disclosure. 212 00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:48,420 So it's one question whether it's possible to justify forcing someone to receive the standard disclosure, as we'll see. 213 00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:52,500 I'm happy to leave that question open. My point here, 214 00:26:52,500 --> 00:27:03,030 this is the nub of the second attempt is that forcing someone to receive the standard disclosure can't be justified in the name of autonomy, 215 00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:10,650 because this is equivalent to forcing her to decide under conditions that she rejects, 216 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:19,230 which is not a description that's consistent with the content of autonomy, let alone its value. 217 00:27:19,230 --> 00:27:23,220 So here's where we go back to this phrase, mandatory autonomy. 218 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:28,110 And I kind of overlap to some extent in my argument with Schneider's critique. 219 00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:36,330 So in this sense, part of the point is the idea of mandatory autonomy is a kind of contradiction in terms. 220 00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:41,820 And unless we can reconcile or rescue that contradiction, 221 00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:56,160 that's an argument for saying that autonomy itself justifies not forcing people who want to wait the disclosure to have the option of waiving it, 222 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:02,740 as I say. It's a separate question whether there's a different argument that appeals to something other than autonomy, 223 00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:05,800 a different value or different set of considerations, 224 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:16,840 that yields the conclusion that actually it's justified, all things considered, to compel unwilling subjects to receive kind of required disclosures. 225 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:29,620 And I'm happy to leave that open. The main point is that case, whatever it is, would have to be based on something distinct from autonomy. 226 00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:35,110 So let me go back to the dilemma in my title recall. 227 00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:39,370 My suggestion is that the dilemma has the form of these two. 228 00:28:39,370 --> 00:28:45,850 Horan's on the one hand, you can't have the idea. 229 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:54,250 You can't affirm that understanding is necessary as a condition about consent to join a randomised controlled trial, 230 00:28:54,250 --> 00:29:01,600 while also affirming that there's a justified right or option to waive the disclosure. 231 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:08,410 Those two things are inconsistent, I claim, and so they can't both be justified. 232 00:29:08,410 --> 00:29:17,260 What we've just seen the conclusion of this first line of argument is that there's a quite good, 233 00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:27,640 perfectly compelling justification that begins in the value of autonomy and ends as a conclusion on the right portion of the dilemma, 234 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,670 namely the conclusion that there is a justified right to waive the disclosure. 235 00:29:33,670 --> 00:29:43,300 So if that's right and the two things are inconsistent, the conclusion that follows and this is the main conclusion that I would like to urge today, 236 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:54,130 is that we cannot also appeal to autonomy to justify the conclusion that understanding is a necessary condition without consent. 237 00:29:54,130 --> 00:29:59,290 So this kind of run of the main argument has a very simple form. 238 00:29:59,290 --> 00:30:09,880 There are two propositions that are inconsistent. Autonomy yields a very good and straightforward justification for the second of these propositions. 239 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:17,530 Therefore, autonomy can't also be seen as the justification for the first of the propositions. 240 00:30:17,530 --> 00:30:26,860 Can't also be seen as the justification for holding understanding to be a necessary condition of informed consent. 241 00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:30,580 If therefore just spelling it out, 242 00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:41,950 you are a believer in the value of autonomy and in particular in its relevance for justifying some elements of the doctrine of informed consent. 243 00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:44,500 My conclusion is you, 244 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:56,140 those people in those camps need to give up on the idea that autonomy is the way to justify the understanding requirement as a necessary condition. 245 00:30:56,140 --> 00:31:04,270 Again, I'm happy to leave open on this plane an argument whether there's a different justification for this conclusion, I reject. 246 00:31:04,270 --> 00:31:12,330 But my main point is the autonomy based justification can't be it. 247 00:31:12,330 --> 00:31:20,130 Last little wrinkle on this kind of autonomist orientated part of the argument, 248 00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:25,050 so I referred at the beginning to this textbook by Jessica Baird and colleagues, 249 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:31,980 this is going to be a perhaps funny use of the expression in fairness to but in fairness to them. 250 00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:39,840 And it's kind of a striking feature of their discussion. I think they recognise all of the main elements of this argument, 251 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,900 namely that what I'm calling the right and left horns of my dilemma are two inconsistent 252 00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:53,940 propositions that autonomy supports one of these two inconsistent propositions, 253 00:31:53,940 --> 00:32:07,410 and also that it's possible for the decision to waive to be a perfectly well informed decision and therefore qualify for the description autonomous. 254 00:32:07,410 --> 00:32:15,930 The only thing they don't do is draw the conclusion that I am here urging us to draw, which is therefore autonomy doesn't offer, 255 00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:29,080 in fact can't offer a justification for the remaining proposition, which is the main proposition that they affirm and affirm on the basis of autonomy. 256 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:36,180 OK, so we've come through four fifths of the structure and we've covered, as it were, 257 00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:44,010 the main plank of the argument, which is meant to be addressed to believers in autonomy. 258 00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:51,370 Nevertheless, I want also to kind of complete the tour, as it were, of the audience. 259 00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:57,840 I want to address a similar argument to those of you who may not believe, 260 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:09,090 maybe never believed from the beginning that autonomy was the key to justifying elements of the informed consent. 261 00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:16,200 Doctrine or a set of duties, so I'm going to skip over this like it's really just saying what I covered. 262 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:25,650 I want to shift now to talk about the people who think that the basis for the justification of informed consent lies elsewhere. 263 00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:32,790 This second argument is going to be anchored in the same material in the sense that the thin end of the wedge 264 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:39,540 I want to drive is just the observation that the right and left horns of this dilemma are inconsistent, 265 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:49,000 or that these two propositions about informed consent are inconsistent and. 266 00:33:49,000 --> 00:34:00,040 I want to make the driver of the wedge again be an argument that having the option to waive parts of the disclosure is a perfectly justified option. 267 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:06,100 It's just that I want that argument now to run forward on grounds that have nothing to do with autonomy. 268 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:13,900 That's the difference between the bit that's addressed to autonomous states and the bit that's addressed to other people. 269 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:22,270 So the two kind of alternate drivers that I want to put forward are quite different from each other. 270 00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:26,170 How different this first one is from autonomy in effect, 271 00:34:26,170 --> 00:34:36,930 I think depends on how precise or detail oriented you are in the formulation of what counts as autonomous. 272 00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:44,190 So the first driver just appeals to what I would call the value of ordinary individual choice, 273 00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:51,510 by which I mean nothing more kind of elaborate than the value of letting people decide certain questions 274 00:34:51,510 --> 00:35:01,170 for themselves instead of making the outcome or decision be mandatory on the basis of some regulation. 275 00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:03,240 And for my purposes, it doesn't really matter. 276 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:12,990 I think it's a host of, you know, general consideration that speak in favour of ordinary individual choice, starting with, you know, 277 00:35:12,990 --> 00:35:16,230 what I'm calling and slide the old million saw, 278 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:25,410 which is just that people are the best judges of their own interests, or at least maybe slightly more considered. 279 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:31,260 By and large, for the most part, people are the best judges of their own interests. 280 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:42,960 So the value of ordinary individual choice also favours having the option to waive the disclosure of an informed consent here. 281 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,210 That's what I was alluding to at the beginning. 282 00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:53,430 I'm presupposing that we should distinguish autonomy and ordinary choice in my terms on kind of offering you 283 00:35:53,430 --> 00:36:00,990 a template for distinguish them just on the basis of kind of logical strength or theoretical sophistication. 284 00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:06,780 So autonomy, I take it, is a more demanding, more theoretically elaborate notion. 285 00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:10,620 Ordinary choice is really just a kind of plain notion. 286 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:16,860 It's got no sophistication in it whatsoever. It's kind of funny that in the literature, 287 00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:23,010 people don't actually distinguish in the details between these two options much at all in the 288 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:27,630 sense that they often use the language of autonomy when they come to spell out what they mean. 289 00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:34,110 Actually, what they're talking about is just ordinary choice in a way that's fine for me, 290 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:41,310 because my point here is just we don't need any fancy theoretical apparatus to see that there's a value 291 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:48,390 in ordinary choice in letting people choose what kind of information they receive or don't receive. 292 00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:54,750 And that just is the value in letting them have the right or the option to waive. 293 00:36:54,750 --> 00:37:00,990 OK, I'm skipping over that because I, on the one hand, take it to be a kind of commonsense notion. 294 00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:07,770 But on the other hand, I think the second argument, which is kind of manifestly different, is also a quite compelling that. 295 00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:15,780 I want to turn to that now. So this is an argument from what you might call institutional or regulatory design. 296 00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:19,800 And the problem space in which it arises is a kind of familiar problem, 297 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:29,430 which centres exactly on the sort of calibration or formulation of the duty disclosure of the duty to disclose, rather, 298 00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:40,530 which is the question of, as a policy matter, what information should be singled out as the information that physician 299 00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:48,210 investigators are duty bound to provide as part of the informed consent process. 300 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:54,150 So in this debate, which may be familiar to you already, 301 00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:59,550 the discussion typically precedes in relation to three possible standards by 302 00:37:59,550 --> 00:38:06,480 which we decide what the information required to be disclosed is going to be, 303 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,420 one that's often called the professional practise standard. 304 00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:23,880 Second, it's called individual preference standard, and the third that's referred to by means of escape, mythical figure of the reasonable person. 305 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:33,790 And again, in many American jurisdictions, anyway, as a matter of law, it's the reasonable person standard which is ultimately enforced. 306 00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:34,800 It's a part of the debate. 307 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:47,070 It's just a question about what are the grounds for preferring the reasonable person standard to these other two standards as a matter of policy. 308 00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:48,360 So for my argument, 309 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:57,150 the point to notice is that the reasonable person standard is in some sense a normalised version of the individual preference standard. 310 00:38:57,150 --> 00:39:05,850 It's normalised kind of in two different ways, one calling a normalised by way of being standardised. 311 00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:14,670 It's just sort of made to be kind of one rule, to fit all cases for the sake of simplicity. 312 00:39:14,670 --> 00:39:20,820 And in fact, part of the main argument for the reasonable person standard is just it's kind of, 313 00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:26,580 you know, administrative simplicity or non complexity in application. 314 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:38,010 In principle, you could also see a. Reasonable person standard as a normative televised version of an individual preference standard, 315 00:39:38,010 --> 00:39:47,310 by which I mean that involves a certain amount of idealisation on the individuals in front of you with respect to what their preferences are, 316 00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:53,610 as opposed to just taking the roped kind of real world facts on the ground about 317 00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:59,100 what this person versus that person versus that person would prefer to know. 318 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:06,240 OK, in practise, I think the main kind of argument and ways of settling on which information is going 319 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:12,870 to be disclosed operate by just appeal to the standardised sense of normal lives. 320 00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:18,870 So the starting point of this argument is just to notice that, in fact, typically, as a matter of policy, 321 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:25,080 the choice of standard to fix the content of the required disclosure is the reasonable person standard. 322 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:32,970 And it's done primarily by appeal to the considerations that favour standardising the procedure, 323 00:40:32,970 --> 00:40:45,630 all the while acknowledging that in some kind of fairly clear sense, in principle, the individual personal preference standard would be better. 324 00:40:45,630 --> 00:40:56,580 It's just that it's kind of unwieldy or impractical and so not worth kind of implementing at the level of general policy. 325 00:40:56,580 --> 00:41:08,020 OK. What happens when you take the reasonable person standard in preference to the individual preference standard while considering the 326 00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:18,910 individual preference standard in some sense to be better or ideally the correct standard is that you introduce two different kinds of error. 327 00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:29,500 OK, in principle, on the one hand, you can have too much information in your standardised disclosure relative to a given individual's preference. 328 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:38,950 Or of course, you could also have too little information in your standardised disclosure relative to give an individual's preference. 329 00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:45,460 And as anyone who has actually looked at some informed consent forms for research, 330 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:50,470 you will know immediately the overwhelming bias in the kind of application of 331 00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:56,320 the reasonable person standard is to kind of lean towards the first error, 332 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,880 having too much information in the standardised disclosure. 333 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,590 Second argument for the availability of a waiver option is just an argument that says. 334 00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:14,300 Adding the option to waive provides an obvious and simple corrective for the too much information error, 335 00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:20,150 i.e. the one that is by far the preponderant error because it allows individuals 336 00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:25,250 to bring the information that they actually get under the standard policy, 337 00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:31,460 largely back to what the individual preference standard would actually say in the first place, 338 00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:37,730 but does so without the practical defects of the individual preference standard, for example, 339 00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:47,930 burdening physicians and assistants with the job of trying to find out in advance all of what exactly it is that this individual 340 00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:57,290 and then the next time that individual would prefer to learn if you have a standardised kind of overgenerous disclosure up front. 341 00:42:57,290 --> 00:43:03,980 But the option for individuals to peel it back in parts, in a sense, get the best of both worlds. 342 00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:11,600 And that is itself a kind of administrative argument for the availability of the waiver option. 343 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,550 So like with the first plank of the argument for autonomist, of course, 344 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:25,610 all of these considerations only operate pro tanto and leaving it open by appeal to some other kinds of considerations. 345 00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:32,690 You might have a countervailing case for the option to wait, but at least other things being equal. 346 00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:41,930 Both of the arguments put forward that are distinguishable from the consideration of autonomy also support the option to wait. 347 00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:48,230 So my conclusion is just both. If you're an autonomist and if you're not an autonomous, 348 00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:56,360 there's a reason to affirm or believe in the justifiability of the option to waive parts of the disclosure. 349 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:05,180 Having that option is not consistent with insisting on the necessity of understanding the disclosure as a condition of valid, 350 00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:09,860 informed consent, and therefore we should reject that proposition. 351 00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:14,407 Thank you very much.