1 00:00:03,090 --> 00:00:14,729 So it's my pleasure. Welcome today to bring Back to Life and Oxford one of our visiting fellows from last academic year, 2 00:00:14,730 --> 00:00:23,160 Ola Offset, who's going to be talking about peacebuilding and conflict analysis mainly in East Timor, 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,590 but also drawing on a couple of other experiences and more generally the efforts of the Peacebuilding Commission. 4 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:36,690 But all have had a very interesting career. He's not just a researcher, although that's what he's doing and he spent his time here, 5 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:44,310 but he's also more generally a consultant in the field of conflict management and development and humanitarian assistance. 6 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:55,440 He's trained as a lawyer and worked as a diplomat at Norwegian embassies and nor at in Pakistan and India, 7 00:00:55,830 --> 00:01:06,690 also with UNHCR in Bosnia, the Norwegian Refugee Council in Serbia, and with the Red Cross movements in Asia and the Balkans. 8 00:01:07,820 --> 00:01:14,100 And more recently, he was responsible for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent 9 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:21,060 Societies International Disaster Response Law Program in the Asia Pacific. 10 00:01:21,750 --> 00:01:27,060 And as I say, his focus today is going to be on peacebuilding failures in East Timor, 11 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:32,160 where he was head of delegation for the ICRC during the 2006 crisis, 12 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:37,140 which is going to talk about, although he's also going to talk about 1999 as well. 13 00:01:37,530 --> 00:01:42,839 And then perhaps we'll get you to talk about your exciting new assignment the first time at Good. 14 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:51,390 So I will turn it over to you to talk about your paper and more generally, and then we'll just open it up to discussion in the time that we have. 15 00:01:52,140 --> 00:02:06,040 I thank you, Jennifer. Um, I think given the timeframe, it may be a little ambitious to aim for a discussion that includes my Africanews. 16 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:09,990 Yes. Yeah, we can. We can see at the end what what time we have. 17 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:14,969 But when I realise how little time I have to present East Timor, 18 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:22,290 I think I found that I will probably spend all the time doing that we can see afterwards. 19 00:02:22,290 --> 00:02:26,820 But, but at least I'm starting out with, with East Timor. 20 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:38,580 As you may have understood, my interest in conflict management stems from my early life as a legal person, 21 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,230 as a lawyer, public prosecutor, deputy judge. 22 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:52,530 Such positions caught my interest and I took that interest with me when I later sold my law practice and went abroad to do humanitarian work. 23 00:02:53,610 --> 00:02:58,889 Doing so, I was lucky to have some very interesting experiences in different parts of the world, 24 00:02:58,890 --> 00:03:03,780 and some of these experiences are going to stay with me forever. 25 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:10,920 The East Timor experience is this is one such event. 26 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,820 Even if I was not directly involved in the peacebuilding process. 27 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:25,770 I was in East Timor from October 2003 to May 2006. 28 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:37,260 The head of Delegation for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies and I was watching 29 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:44,730 the process from the sideline not being allowed to get involved because a Red Cross has to be absolutely neutral. 30 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:50,340 I was watching tensions and crises coming and going. 31 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:57,840 At one stage I evacuated our office because it was getting very tense and these 32 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:06,060 things would come and go and normally pass with without serious violence. 33 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:11,940 But in 2006, things changed dramatically. 34 00:04:13,730 --> 00:04:25,760 This spring, a major crisis was developing and no one seemed able to contain it. 35 00:04:27,020 --> 00:04:33,050 I was watching with horror what was happening and things were simply going out of control. 36 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:40,190 And I became very curious as to who's doing what's here. 37 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:45,260 How is the U.N. handling this? What tools do they have to handle it? 38 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:53,870 How does it look from the inside? So I decided that one day I wanted to go back and try to try to find out about it. 39 00:04:54,290 --> 00:04:58,550 And that's what I was doing last year during my my fellowship here. 40 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:14,270 But so what I'm focusing on, what I have focussed on in this research is the conflict management component of the U.N. operations in East Timor. 41 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:18,680 And with that, I mean conflict resolution and reconciliation. 42 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:28,790 And I'm looking at the period from 1999 when the U.N. came there until mid 2006. 43 00:05:29,750 --> 00:05:43,160 But the most important time period in many ways was the early years, the two first years, and then, of course, the year when the crisis happened. 44 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:52,940 But question for you, are you all familiar with with the East Timor peace building and the collapse that took place in 2006? 45 00:05:55,460 --> 00:05:59,210 Some are some background. Yes, everyone is. 46 00:05:59,810 --> 00:06:09,260 Maybe just a little bird's perspective so that we're all in line to the U.N. peace operations started in 1999, 47 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:17,230 when the Timorese decided in a U.N. supported referendum to break loose from Indonesia. 48 00:06:17,690 --> 00:06:27,110 After 24 years of occupation. Indonesia friendly militia responded with massive violence and destruction. 49 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:32,640 And some 1400 people were killed. 50 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:43,159 Hundreds of women raped and some 250,000 people fleeing their homes after withdrawal 51 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,950 of the Indonesian army and the deployment of an international peacekeeping force. 52 00:06:50,060 --> 00:06:56,510 The international community decided to make a comprehensive peace and state building effort. 53 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:09,020 The U.N. and the World Bank, supported by some 50 international donors, contributed roughly 4 billion U.S. dollars to this effort. 54 00:07:10,190 --> 00:07:17,210 And the effort was for the first time in history, to build a new nation from scratch. 55 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:19,380 So this was the UN's challenge. 56 00:07:20,930 --> 00:07:30,410 The transition period in two years was planned, meaning that East Timor would be independent and take over from May 2002. 57 00:07:33,740 --> 00:07:42,950 Although the UN stayed longer than foreseen, the operation was widely considered a success for the longest time. 58 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:53,720 In 2006, however, as I've indicated, this was after several reductions of the U.N. presence and staff. 59 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,450 The peace building process collapsed in internal ones. 60 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:08,450 The crisis started with a big number of soldiers from the Timorese army going on strike. 61 00:08:10,430 --> 00:08:17,720 These were mainly from the west of the country and they claimed that they were being discriminated against. 62 00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:31,950 Next to my disbelief, 591 soldiers, meaning 42% of the entire Timorese army, were simply dismissed. 63 00:08:35,930 --> 00:08:43,790 Miners followed were army and police were killing each other. 64 00:08:44,810 --> 00:08:48,710 Were people from the east and people from the West were attacking and killing each other? 65 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,500 Minimum, at least 32 lives were lost. 66 00:08:54,770 --> 00:09:01,940 And again, a huge amount of people fled their homes. 67 00:09:02,030 --> 00:09:12,850 Estimated at least 150,000. So why did this happen? 68 00:09:12,870 --> 00:09:17,760 Why did this success story all of a sudden turn into such a dramatic failure? 69 00:09:19,650 --> 00:09:29,220 The UN Independent Inquiry Commission came to assess the causes of this failure, 70 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:39,120 stated that the situation can only be fully understood in historical and the historical and cultural context of the country. 71 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:45,060 So before we look closer at the UN conflict management, 72 00:09:45,060 --> 00:09:56,490 let me just take a quick recap or look at the conflict history of East Timor, which I think is important to start with. 73 00:09:56,530 --> 00:10:01,890 There was probably never a time of peace and stability in East Timor. 74 00:10:03,330 --> 00:10:11,670 It seems that from the moment different tribes from different parts of Southeast Asia starting developing, that started settling there. 75 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:17,520 They were in conflict and the stronger ethnic groups would push the weaker ones 76 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:25,770 away from fertile land near the coast towards the more arid mountainous area, 77 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:37,140 meaning also eastwards. So they had conflicts of that kind from a very early stage. 78 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,000 Then came the Portuguese to the island in 15, in 15, 13. 79 00:10:45,930 --> 00:10:52,290 Then after some time they started colonising the area, doing so. 80 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:58,740 They used these differences between the different ethnic group to split and rule. 81 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:05,730 And according to one of the anthropologists who have spent time studying this policy success, 82 00:11:06,450 --> 00:11:13,139 they virtually split the island into east and west with made the part the capital 83 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:17,940 Dili and monitored to us what you call a brokerage area between the two parts. 84 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:33,120 During the Portuguese era there were virtual wars where the Portuguese would engage huge amount of Timorese to fight their countrymen, 85 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:42,750 to call them land, and to crack down on on freedom initiatives. 86 00:11:45,210 --> 00:11:51,390 And in some locations, several thousand lives were lost. 87 00:11:51,390 --> 00:12:00,600 So it was quite dramatically dramatic and obviously deepening the the divide among the people of East Timor. 88 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:13,140 Then if you if we move a little further ahead and get to the Second World War, we get another element of divide. 89 00:12:14,820 --> 00:12:18,730 The Second World War was quite dramatic for East Timor population. 90 00:12:18,750 --> 00:12:26,760 Some 40,000 people were killed. Many of them fought alongside the Australians who were in the island, in the island. 91 00:12:27,630 --> 00:12:34,380 But some live rice or small kingdoms also sided with the Japanese. 92 00:12:35,610 --> 00:12:42,480 So you had another version of the split where part of the population sided with the foreign power. 93 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:55,890 Then if we move one step further, in 1975, the scene was again set for dramatic events. 94 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:04,770 We had had the Carnation Revolution in Portugal, which seemed to open up for possible freedom to East Timor. 95 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:13,560 We saw the establishment of the first political parties and one of them nudity staged a coup. 96 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:20,990 Immediately afterwards, another party, left wing SD, staged a counter coup. 97 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:25,230 You had what was called a civil war with some 3000 people killed. 98 00:13:25,860 --> 00:13:38,610 It lasted only roughly three months. But as the tea, who later took the name Fretilin prevailed and they declared independence. 99 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,120 The response from the others, meaning all the other political parties had been established and I think there were four others. 100 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:51,810 The response was to go to Indonesia and proclaim integration within with Indonesia. 101 00:13:52,960 --> 00:14:02,940 And what did Indonesia do? They have their own designs and moved in and occupied East Timor. 102 00:14:05,170 --> 00:14:12,910 And this was in 1975, and this was the beginning of the 24 years of freedom struggle for the people of the island. 103 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:30,700 During these 24 years, there were atrocities on both sides, lots of lives lost, but there were also conflicts between the Timorese. 104 00:14:31,540 --> 00:14:41,530 Many Timorese sided all the time with the Indonesians despite atrocities, despite suppression, despite comprehensive loss of life. 105 00:14:44,090 --> 00:14:51,230 And there were internal political conflicts among the Timorese. 106 00:14:52,340 --> 00:15:01,490 Some of them seem to exist still today. There were also violent conflict inside the freedom movement. 107 00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:08,720 But some states, it seems that I think there were some 200 people that were killed. 108 00:15:09,140 --> 00:15:15,470 Many also were tortured members of Fretilin, including their leader. 109 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:30,499 And so it was it was a and another illustration, but that we were not talking about a united people. 110 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:45,680 We were talking about a people in conflict with another outside power player, but also a conflict with itself together the Civil War of 75, 111 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:55,880 the 24 years of freedom struggle, and the 1999 event caused some roughly 100,000 lives. 112 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:05,150 And in my view, clearly rendering East Timor a divided, a deeply divided and traumatised society. 113 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:18,110 Contributing to the divide was also very a special feature of East Timor, which was about the martial arts groups. 114 00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:29,330 The marginalised groups was a phenomenon that had existed for many decades. 115 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:44,630 But they came to play a an active role in the events in 1999 as sorry, in 2006 and. 116 00:16:50,060 --> 00:16:58,310 Up till then, they were known for their gang wars, burning houses, 117 00:16:58,310 --> 00:17:05,510 attacking villages and creating havoc that would would influence the whole society where they were operating. 118 00:17:07,670 --> 00:17:18,080 One study says that as much as as many as possibly 70% of Timorese men were at some stage affiliated with one of the most large groups. 119 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,850 So it was a major factor in the in the conflict landscape. 120 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:28,880 So this was a brief history, a brief conflict history. 121 00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:33,109 And this this was, you can say, the backdrop. 122 00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:45,530 When the UN came there in 1999, they faced a traumatised and deeply divided people and a very complex conflict landscape. 123 00:17:47,330 --> 00:18:05,660 So how was this handled? When I was due to study this, I found that four different aspects seemed interesting to look into the first the mandates. 124 00:18:06,260 --> 00:18:09,440 What for the UN mandates in terms of conflict management? 125 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:20,100 What plans did they have for conflict management? What conflict analysis did they have? 126 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:30,210 And what what practical, practical conflict management activities did they conduct? 127 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:43,350 So these were the four elements I was looking into. I also did a comparison with two later U.N. operations in Africa to see how things 128 00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:49,710 changed after the introduction of the new peacebuilding U.N. structure of 2006. 129 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,260 But like I said, I doubt that we will have much time to discuss that here today. 130 00:18:57,510 --> 00:19:09,060 But the mandate, the first U.N. mission was in on it, that their role was to hold the referendum period so we can pass that one. 131 00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:15,390 Then it was the mission that would take care of the important transition period up to 132 00:19:15,390 --> 00:19:20,790 the time when the Timorese would take over an entire it had a comprehensive mandate, 133 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:25,980 including security, law and order, establishment of administration, 134 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:35,430 development of civil and social services, coordination, delivery of humanitarian assistance, rehabilitation and development assistance, 135 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:41,670 capacity building for self-government, the establishment of conditions for sustainable government. 136 00:19:42,270 --> 00:19:53,760 So it was a lot. But as you will have noted, there was nothing in it on conflict management, nothing on conflict resolution or reconciliation. 137 00:19:56,140 --> 00:20:05,640 Let me say that which followed and tied in when East Timor became independent in 2002 138 00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:11,970 had reduced staff and the mandate limited to assistance the court administrative, 139 00:20:11,980 --> 00:20:18,330 administrative structure and the provision of law enforcement and security. 140 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:24,780 Again, nothing on reconciliation, conflict resolution. 141 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:42,030 Then after then we set in 2005, came up with further used staff and military personnel, only meant for the operations own security. 142 00:20:44,130 --> 00:20:51,600 Its mandate were to support critical state institutions, provide human rights training and monitor the progress. 143 00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:58,110 And again, no mentioning of reconciliation or conflict resolution. 144 00:21:00,780 --> 00:21:09,240 Then the next mission was for finished, which was appointed after the disaster in 2006. 145 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:11,460 And then the mandate changes. 146 00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:25,200 The opening term reads to support the government in consolidating stability, enhancing a culture of democratic governance, 147 00:21:25,890 --> 00:21:30,780 and facilitating political dialogue among Timorese stakeholders in their efforts to 148 00:21:30,780 --> 00:21:36,240 bring about a process of national reconciliation and to foster social cohesion. 149 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:45,720 So we have said that this came about only after the disaster had happened in 2006. 150 00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:53,670 It is hard to say whether it had any practical implication that it wasn't mentioned 151 00:21:53,670 --> 00:22:01,590 earlier as some important conflict management activities were conducted. 152 00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:13,860 But my point here is that the need for reconciliation was clearly there just as much in 1999 as it was in 2006. 153 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:25,320 And if the wording of U.N. mandates have a meaning, it should, in my opinion, clearly have been included from the start. 154 00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:37,270 So much for the mandates. If I then turn to the planning, although my focus was conflict management, 155 00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:49,750 I was very curious to learn about the overall planning of the daunting task of building a new nation from scratch. 156 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:59,590 This is because I've been responsible for a lot of development work and plans were always essential to my work. 157 00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:11,110 And I first saw that this developing a proper plan for these operations would be a demanding, comprehensive task. 158 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:20,110 I was very curious to see what they had done. However, it turned out to be difficult to find any such plans. 159 00:23:23,180 --> 00:23:28,550 After doing all the research, I could run my desk myself. 160 00:23:28,790 --> 00:23:37,670 I requested help from the library and they tried their best to help me and came back after some time and said, Are you sure there is a plan? 161 00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:43,700 And I was smiling overwhelmingly. And look, here we are talking about building a new country. 162 00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:54,290 You know, you don't do that without a plan. But I didn't get anywhere even when they contacted the UN Documentation Centre in Geneva. 163 00:23:55,580 --> 00:24:07,190 Nothing substantive came out of that and we started to become sceptical myself. 164 00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:16,840 But then I came across one document that seemed to contain a plan, and that was the secretary general's, 165 00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:26,630 the U.N. Secretary General's report to the Security Council on October the fourth 99, which outlined a number of objectives for insight. 166 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:40,890 So I was thinking, Oh, that's my plant. Even if if comic camouflage does a report, some of the objectives, although they were worded as activities, 167 00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:48,090 actually some of these objectives were definitely relevant to reconciliation and conflict resolution. 168 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:54,180 I mentioned to develop mechanisms for dialogue at the national and local levels, 169 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:01,320 to undertake confidence building measures and provide support to indigenous processes of reconciliation, 170 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,900 to create conditions of stability through the maintenance of peace and security, 171 00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:14,070 including through programs for disarmament, demobilisation and reintegration as may be necessary. 172 00:25:15,660 --> 00:25:28,110 This document 15 pages thing was quite sketchy on how these conflict management objectives would be reached, 173 00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:40,470 and it offered nothing on leadership, very different from other aspects of the same planning document and nothing on the capacity. 174 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:51,540 But it was at least something I thought. However, my my happiness was short lived, and as I got in touch with a. 175 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:58,410 S deep kale head, I was told that sorry, this is no planning document. 176 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:07,770 So next question then. What is where is the plan for this operation? 177 00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:22,710 I turned every stone that I can think of. I got in touch with a lot of people, and I did find that there were other planning efforts taking place, 178 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:30,780 like when DeMello and Senator Gusmao met and agreed on the number of priorities. 179 00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:46,820 There were also an initiative from the U.N. Secretary-General who demanded the development of some benchmarks. 180 00:26:48,850 --> 00:26:55,180 And according to the U.N. secretary general's briefing to the Security Council on November 28, 181 00:26:55,330 --> 00:27:01,090 2000, there was a political calendar for the final phase of transition. 182 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:11,050 When I came to East Timor to pursue my research, I met, among others, Mari Alkatiri, 183 00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:17,050 who had been the Prime Minister since the beginning and to the crisis in 2006. 184 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,130 And he said, Yes, I've seen some kind of a calendar and that was all. 185 00:27:24,670 --> 00:27:28,990 I I've never seen a proper plan for peace building or state building. 186 00:27:31,090 --> 00:27:42,220 Eventually, I got in touch with Major General Michael Smith involved in the International Force for East Timor, the early INTERFET, 187 00:27:44,290 --> 00:27:53,890 who had been doing planning work in New York and later developing the military component of tight in cooperation with de Mello in the field. 188 00:27:55,780 --> 00:28:02,920 And I got hold of a book that he had written, which I hadn't known about till then, 189 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:16,090 which said that Tight was unable to start its mission with a coherent strategic corporate business plan. 190 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:22,330 Once deployed in the day to day problems further hindered the development of such a plan. 191 00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:28,210 I had some email exchange with General Smith. 192 00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:34,900 And he explained to me that he had even suggested a model for a mission strategic plan, 193 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:43,660 but it met with little enthusiasm because there was simply not any capacity in the mission to do this. 194 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:54,650 So this means we had a $4 billion state in peace building operation. 195 00:28:55,970 --> 00:29:02,210 With the humanitarian world jumping up and down, contributing with support and money. 196 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:09,080 And there was no overall plan for the first two years. 197 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:14,570 It's quite thought provoking. 198 00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:18,590 But but that has to be a fact. 199 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:30,560 Now, what about planning or conflict management, which was my focus, after all, the secretary general's report that mention of October the fourth. 200 00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:38,990 This, to my understanding, the only planning related document touching upon reconciliation and conflict resolution. 201 00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:51,170 But since this was no planning document, one has to conclude that there was never any substantial plan for reconciliation and for conflict resolution. 202 00:29:54,460 --> 00:30:02,950 So what next? No overall plan, no plan for conflict management. 203 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:13,780 But I thought surely there must be some conflict analysis providing a basis for conflict management activities. 204 00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:20,280 To find out about that employed a similar process. 205 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:30,090 I turned all the stones that I could think of. But as you might have guessed, there was no comprehensive conflict analysis either. 206 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:42,530 There was some internal U.N. reporting that included analysis, but this would be either situational or subject based. 207 00:30:45,450 --> 00:30:58,809 Nothing comprehensive. So the conclusion was that the U.N. was facing an extremely complex conflict landscape that traumatised 208 00:30:58,810 --> 00:31:03,850 people who had been fighting with one another in the world since the beginning of human life on the island. 209 00:31:04,990 --> 00:31:09,400 And there was no analysis of the challenges that this represented. 210 00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:17,730 What should have been done in terms of analysis. 211 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:33,830 My opinion is that these buildings should always be based on mapping of needs, and conflict management is about one such set of needs. 212 00:31:36,850 --> 00:31:41,589 A look at later efforts by other actors, non-U.S. actors, 213 00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:50,260 to analyse the conflict landscape in East Timor, provide some ideas, I believe, as to what it takes. 214 00:31:52,270 --> 00:32:00,820 The report of 2004 from the Colombian university called Timor-Leste the conflict assessment offers a number of valuable insights, 215 00:32:01,690 --> 00:32:13,210 but it is brief on historical perspectives and only divide in the Timorese population and also on relevant socioeconomic factors. 216 00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:19,990 This almost simultaneous report from Columbia University and the Norwegian File Film 217 00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:27,790 Institute provides comprehensive baseline data on socio economic conditions for development, 218 00:32:28,510 --> 00:32:35,200 but does not establish a link for a connection between these and the conflict equations. 219 00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:49,090 In 2004, U.S. conducted a conflict assessment with a strikingly accurate prediction of some conflict scenarios. 220 00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:58,000 But they missed out on ethnic divisions and they term the Timorese as a generally unified people. 221 00:32:58,930 --> 00:33:02,410 So that support wasn't quite there either. 222 00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:14,740 Josh Trinidad and Brian Castro presented in 2007 an analysis with relevant demographic factors. 223 00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:27,910 For instance, the apparent connection between young people moving from rural areas in East Timor to the urban centres, 224 00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:36,190 and the fact that that's where where the violence mainly took place in 2006. 225 00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:47,590 And this has to do with statistic evidence that or at least the basis for the 226 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:53,410 suggestion that violence is more likely where you have concentration of young people. 227 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,980 An interesting observation. 228 00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:16,209 In 2009, James, somebody rendered an incisive analysis of the dynamics of the 2006 conflict, identifying the regional actors and their changing roles. 229 00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:21,520 That is particularly interesting, I find, including the gangs, the most large groups. 230 00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:27,060 Paulo Castro, Texas social anthropologist, 231 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:36,270 analysed in 2011 a whole range of conflict aspects from the angle of social anthropology, including political conflicts, 232 00:34:36,870 --> 00:34:46,470 the East-West conflict, the conflict between the Timorese who stayed and the ones who left, and its no linguistic divisions and more. 233 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:52,750 It's a quite interesting and incisive document. 234 00:34:54,180 --> 00:35:01,230 The Timorese NGO settlement, together with Inter Peace from Geneva, 235 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:12,180 issued a report in 2009 based on hearings Countrywide, pointing out a number of obstacles to peace, 236 00:35:12,810 --> 00:35:23,940 spanning from the relationship between modern democracy and the traditions of East Timor to corruptions, impunity and language problems. 237 00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:35,490 My point by mentioning all of these and others is that is that I believe that if we put them together, 238 00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:41,880 we begin to understand much better what the conflict landscape of East Timor was about. 239 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:53,400 Conflict landscapes in post-modern settings are, in my view, normally too pervasive and too faceted to be analysed by one or two scholars or experts. 240 00:35:56,070 --> 00:36:03,360 I believe an adequate analysis requires expertise in fields like social anthropology, sociology, social psychology, 241 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:12,090 political science, economy, as well as total knowledge of the country's history, culture and traditions. 242 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:17,070 I believe a multidisciplinary team is generally needed. 243 00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:23,310 The U.N., as of today, is not able to provide something like that. 244 00:36:24,180 --> 00:36:38,880 But my suggestion is that outsourcing to scholars, seasoned practitioners, prominent thinktank members could be a way of addressing this. 245 00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:47,900 I think the resources are out there. If we start, if we get serious about it, 246 00:36:50,570 --> 00:37:02,000 can we assume that a sort of multifaceted conflict analysis would have identified the factors that led to the crisis in East Timor? 247 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:06,620 I don't think we can say so with absolute certainty, 248 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:16,160 but it appears very likely that the union would have been much better equipped for conflict management had they done this exercise. 249 00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:23,540 Let's take a look at the east west rift in the population. 250 00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:32,090 I think the analysis provided by senior Darva Castro and Partners takes us where 251 00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:37,220 they point at stereotypes that they were able to identify in the population. 252 00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:48,790 This suggests that there were detectable material out there that an analysis should be able to find myself. 253 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,480 I interviewed a gentleman named Mario Carrasquillo, 254 00:37:53,480 --> 00:38:03,650 who founded the first political party in East Timor in 1974 and who was the governor of East Timor from 82 to 92. 255 00:38:04,580 --> 00:38:09,620 And he surprised me by saying that this is an old social phenomenon. 256 00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:11,660 There were all these differences. 257 00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:19,790 People in the West were better off because the land is more fertile, they have better income, they are higher education. 258 00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:26,030 And when they settle in Dili they live in different places. 259 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:34,010 So yes, the differences were always the. What more? 260 00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:40,480 We know that the East-West issue caused a critical divide within the army. 261 00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:49,510 There was another between the army and the police and also a conflict within the police on the same grounds. 262 00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:54,260 And these were known conflicts. These were known. 263 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,550 There was a known fact that these conflicts existed. 264 00:38:58,330 --> 00:39:01,030 I would say they should have been detectable. 265 00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:11,050 I would also say that the rift in the population over the relationship with Indonesia was an obvious factor. 266 00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:19,780 And if you started scratching that surface, you would most likely find the connection with the East West perspective, 267 00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:27,980 and you would most likely come to identify and understand the perspective. 268 00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:32,620 This this issue that became so important in 2006. 269 00:39:36,850 --> 00:39:46,750 I also believe that a profound conflict analysis on the relationship between the various political actors would have been very useful to the UN, 270 00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:53,530 who, in my opinion, seemed to take too lightly on this aspect. 271 00:39:54,040 --> 00:40:04,060 I should get back to that. A third critical factor, as I mentioned, was the martial law troops and the gangs and the role they played in 2006. 272 00:40:05,110 --> 00:40:12,970 If imagining that James Scambos analysis had taken place in 1999 and not in 2007, 273 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:20,200 it is my belief that the US would have got a much better understanding of this problem and the threat it represented. 274 00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:28,670 So home Fitzgibbon. 275 00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:39,709 Let's turn to what reconciliation, conflict resolution activities that actually took place despite the lack of mandates, 276 00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:42,920 analysis and planning for the transition period. 277 00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:47,600 And I did conduct a number of important activities. 278 00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:56,210 The timeframe prevents me from going into that in detail, but they did a lot. 279 00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:03,710 On the return of refugees cross border dialogue, civic, educational, constitutional development, 280 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:19,190 free flow of information, human rights, dissemination of dialogue with local leaders in care about communal violence. 281 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:28,400 There was a range of useful activities. You did also make some efforts to bring political actors together for dialogue. 282 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,120 But the value like of an indicated wasn't obvious, and I would get back to it. 283 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:44,330 But the significant effort was the establishment of the Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation. 284 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:51,680 The CSB on Syria have the combined mandate of investigating reporting on serious crime. 285 00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:59,800 And facilitating reconciliation between victims and perpetrator of lesser crime. 286 00:42:01,210 --> 00:42:05,740 See if I was active from February 2002 to October 2005. 287 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:18,550 So an interesting question here. That is, to what extent did KBR meet the needs of reconciliation despite a partly vague mandate? 288 00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:24,970 KBR carried out a variety of reconciliation activities. 289 00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:35,230 Among them was a series of television broadcast national hearings involving victims and perpetrators, as well as politicians. 290 00:42:35,950 --> 00:42:41,020 There were healing workshops, community workshops discussing the impact of the conflict. 291 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:51,190 There was an outreach program for refugees in the West and an urgent reparation scheme for victims with critical needs. 292 00:42:54,100 --> 00:43:00,340 If I have forgotten something, I trust Phyllis will set me right after my presentation. 293 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:09,220 But in all, I believe Savio's work made a real difference for a big number of people in East Timor. 294 00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:14,530 Otherwise you end up not even organisations. 295 00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:17,590 The Bretton Wood institutions all contributed. 296 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,830 They contributed with institution building, employment for vulnerable groups, 297 00:43:24,670 --> 00:43:31,690 community development, poverty reduction, infrastructure and entrepreneurship training and more. 298 00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:36,760 And these efforts might have had an indirect positive effect on reconciliation. 299 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:46,300 UNHCR, for its part, was directly involved in the reconciliation process through comprehensive return and reintegration activities. 300 00:43:47,710 --> 00:43:55,000 However, in my opinion, some reconciliation and conflict resolution efforts were missing. 301 00:43:56,380 --> 00:44:04,030 Let me first look at the political context. One senior government representative in East Timor said to me, 302 00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:12,910 the political actors should have got together early on and agreed on one objective, one objective only. 303 00:44:13,810 --> 00:44:17,590 And I got clear, as it were, what he said national unity. 304 00:44:19,210 --> 00:44:28,780 That's the main thing missing. National unity. Some efforts were made to induce dialogue between leading political actors. 305 00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:42,310 But the Timorese leaders I met generally expressed that this was a largely missing element in the entire approach. 306 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:53,649 Mari Alkatiri, for his part, claimed that the Untied leadership primarily related to Santino Gusmao, 307 00:44:53,650 --> 00:45:04,210 that Ramos-Horta and CNRT, the overall resistance organisation, and not to Fretilin, the biggest political party. 308 00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:14,649 He believed that an initiative like the more bizarre dialogue taken by the Catholic Church in conjunction with President 309 00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:23,470 Ramos-Horta in 2011 to initiate dialogue between the leaders of CNRT and Fretilin should have been launched early on. 310 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:34,790 The need for national reconciliation in Syria was a main program component. 311 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:48,710 Community reintegration 1371 perpetrators of minor crime successfully went through a reconciliation and reintegration process. 312 00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:58,280 However, according to KBR, at least 3000 additional perpetrators who are eligible for this process. 313 00:46:00,540 --> 00:46:07,380 This means that less than one third of the eligible perpetrators to call them that were covered. 314 00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:20,360 I guess the pre-screening by a public prosecutor, which was part of the process and submission to the court for endorsement afterwards, 315 00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:25,700 would be a natural limit to Syria's outreach, 316 00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:35,000 as would its duty to report serious crime to the prosecutor and stop the process if serious crime was detected. 317 00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:43,040 I guess this in itself can be an interesting basis for a discussion, but for my context here, 318 00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:55,340 I would like to observe that these limitations, given serious recommendations in the report of October 2005, became very important. 319 00:46:56,780 --> 00:47:07,889 So here we are recommended that the work needed to continue to recommended the establishment of a new entity for 320 00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:16,100 a broad scale reconciliation in the communities and the recommended the pursuit of justice for the victims. 321 00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:22,520 As far as I have been able to follow developments, none of this happened. 322 00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:29,030 The reports from Syria, I received little enthusiasm from President Xanana Gusmao, 323 00:47:30,350 --> 00:47:37,640 whose reaction apparently, apparently had a chilling effect by September 211. 324 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:48,290 Two laws of relevance to this subject, including a law on an institute of Memory, supposed to be the entity implementing this year, 325 00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:51,319 though recommendations were pending in Parliament, 326 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:59,510 but facing opposition from parliamentarians but also from veterans who think they should be first in line. 327 00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:06,950 Serious work started only two and a half years into the entire commission. 328 00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:19,390 If an early, profound conflict analysis and adequate planning planning had taken place early on, 329 00:48:20,890 --> 00:48:34,510 CMU might have started working early 2000 instead of 2002 if the needs were properly, properly, properly marked. 330 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,750 Part of the process might have been the national, large scale, 331 00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:50,830 community based reconciliation that Kevin Rudd later suggested the possible new entity for broad scale reconciliation. 332 00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:55,510 My time out of the battle for reaching out to the population at large, 333 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:02,590 including Easterners, Westerners, including economists and independents proponents. 334 00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:15,520 This should, in my opinion, have been a priority in 1999 slash 2000 and not an ignored suggestion suggestion six years later. 335 00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:26,850 Then a few words of the modern martial art groups. My suggestion is, 336 00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:37,140 but what should I have tried with a special tried to implement a special large scale program for the large for for the most large groups, 337 00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:51,680 including reconciliation among them, but also combining it with a structured set top for legal practice on most large sports as it is today. 338 00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:56,010 As far as I know, this martial art fights are still happening. 339 00:49:56,190 --> 00:50:03,690 And and it's it's still a fairly wild activity going on. 340 00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:16,649 So analogous model took an initiative in 2005 and had some I think it was 14 groups signing a 341 00:50:16,650 --> 00:50:23,490 joint declaration that they would not use violent violence against them amongst themselves, 342 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,620 although that is a recommended recommendable effort. 343 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:36,930 I believe that earlier and much more comprehensive action, a comprehensive action should have been taken to address the most large groups challenge. 344 00:50:39,690 --> 00:50:45,990 Then if you were to monitor the need for monitoring of conflicts in East Timor 345 00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:51,540 was essential from the beginning and might have been crucial at a later stage. 346 00:50:53,310 --> 00:50:55,770 In fairness to the UN operations, 347 00:50:57,180 --> 00:51:07,979 the two year transition period planned in 99 and the steady reduction of U.N. operations were not the proper basis for assertive monitoring. 348 00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:13,800 In 2005 and 2006, when the crisis was brewing in 2006. 349 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:20,550 Security Council members had long been pressing for a conclusion of the East Timor success story, 350 00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:27,780 and some Timorese leaders also wished to see the UN leave. 351 00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:37,230 So for the Azores, due to sit the Timorese leaders down to discuss the crisis would probably have been anything but easy. 352 00:51:38,850 --> 00:51:41,339 Still, I think one more question. 353 00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:51,570 The monitoring, one example the conflict between the police and the army was brewing for quite some time before it became a factor in the 2006 crisis. 354 00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:58,230 The media, unlike the UN, kept reporting on conflicts also within the police. 355 00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:08,550 The UN operations kept reporting about comprehensive U.N. support towards the development of the police and the army, 356 00:52:09,330 --> 00:52:13,050 but never indicated any effort to address the conflict between them. 357 00:52:14,490 --> 00:52:26,130 Not even when Army soldiers detained a number of police officers in January 2004 and attacked a police station in December 2004. 358 00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:30,270 Was there any U.N. initiative to address this conflict? 359 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:39,900 The Secretary-General reported that there is a need to effectively address the strained relationship between the two security forces. 360 00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:42,390 But if you read the following reports, 361 00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:51,840 it spoke to technical support and capacity building and nothing about a possible initiative to address this problem. 362 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,830 And as we know, this problem became critical in 2006. 363 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,250 In retrospect, one might wish to see. 364 00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:13,310 The UN tried to agree with the Timorese leader on leaders on how to handle the transition period, 365 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:25,520 including a clear joint commitment that if there is a major crisis, we shall sit down together and discuss how we can save the nation. 366 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:36,380 But then you would also need an agreement with local leaders on how to do the transition period, and that was not there from the beginning. 367 00:53:38,810 --> 00:53:42,470 Largely, the understanding is that. 368 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,890 The Timorese leaders were not participating much in the planning process. 369 00:53:51,060 --> 00:54:00,360 I mentioned the Manus meeting with Janani Gusmao, but there is little else indicating Timorese political participation. 370 00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:13,260 But if you were to have such an understanding, you would also need a sensible time frame, not a two year transition period, not one year mandate. 371 00:54:13,470 --> 00:54:22,690 The time for the UN operations. Some team leaders I spoke to said that if there had been an agreement to begin 372 00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:27,610 with on a five year transition period and we had agreed on how to do this, 373 00:54:27,610 --> 00:54:29,830 this could have worked and it could have worked much better. 374 00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:46,330 I think the U.N. conflict management shortcomings that I have gone through, I should be seen in the light of New York's approach. 375 00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:58,750 Third quarter, the planning course was given to DP kill, which excluded DP excluded the World Bank and, as I mentioned, the Timorese. 376 00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:06,780 It is perhaps not obvious that a more inclusive approach would have led to better results, 377 00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:15,370 but it would have been sound, I think, to draw on all good resources, not making it an internal affair. 378 00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:27,479 For the sake of balance. We should know that the UN did a comprehensive and in many ways successful job on institution building, 379 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:33,960 on security activities that were better defined and better prepared. 380 00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:44,760 However, to sum up, my belief is that the East Timor operations should have included the following. 381 00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:49,530 That should have been the Security Council mandate, 382 00:55:49,530 --> 00:55:56,820 including reconciliation and conflict resolution from the start, not only after the whole thing collapsed in 2006. 383 00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:08,070 There should have been a more realistic timeframe for the operations, but it should have been a comprehensive, multi-disciplinary conflict analysis. 384 00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:19,650 There should have been a better planning process for the transition period, including the reconciliation and conflict resolution aspect. 385 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,850 There should have been clearly defined reconciliation objectives and activities, 386 00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:35,700 including a national reconciliation program, perhaps along the lines suggested by later by Syria, 387 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:46,230 but should have been an early comprehensive dialogue cooperation project for political actors with the purpose of fostering national unity. 388 00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:55,170 There should have been a national project for marginalised groups, including reconciliation and conflict resolution. 389 00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:04,750 And if those should I mean, an agreement with local leaders on how to do the transition process, 390 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,350 including joint robust monitoring and follow up and conference. 391 00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:20,820 These are my viewpoints. I'm aware that such suggestions vary, are not subject to who research and who writes about them. 392 00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:26,500 I have seen a lot of suggestions. I shall be happy to discuss mine. 393 00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:32,880 These were the points I had on East Timor. 394 00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:39,540 I am happy to discuss what I found in Africa, 395 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:49,880 but in its 12:00 and we have half an hour so we can expect an interesting question from what you looked at in Africa. 396 00:57:49,890 --> 00:57:57,450 As you know, what we can discuss is what, if anything, has addressed some of those comments within the Peacebuilding Commission. 397 00:57:58,260 --> 00:58:06,280 Thank you so much for the overview of your research and the list of things to to change. 398 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,850 I had a couple of questions, but I'm going to save them because I'm sure there are others who do as well.