1 00:00:00,210 --> 00:00:05,790 It's a really great pleasure for me to introduce our speaker to their professor Murray, 2 00:00:05,790 --> 00:00:12,300 lady of lady was the professor of demography and social sciences and the director 3 00:00:12,300 --> 00:00:19,020 of research at the National Centre for Scientific Research Centres in Paris. 4 00:00:19,020 --> 00:00:25,500 She also is a member of the Centre for Turkish, Ottoman, Balkan and Central Asian Studies. 5 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:31,080 Settle back that. That's which she has joined since 2001 19. 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:42,480 The main focus of Professor Laddies research is on relations, the relationship between demographic changes and socio political transformations, 7 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:48,850 using that as a lens to look at other changes which are taking place in the society. 8 00:00:48,850 --> 00:00:56,880 On one of the main areas of her research has been on women and young people as agents of change, 9 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:04,080 political change in Iraq, which is she's going to present part of that research today to us. 10 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:14,820 And I'm delighted to say that this is about basically the Iranian population policies, that the state's population policies in Iran, 11 00:01:14,820 --> 00:01:20,850 which had very successfully managed to bring down population growth back in the 80s and 90s, 12 00:01:20,850 --> 00:01:27,510 and now they have turned the clock back on or adopting a pro nativist policy. 13 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:35,770 Also, a marriage is going to talk to us today about how the new policies are going to affect women's rights in Iran. 14 00:01:35,770 --> 00:01:41,970 And she has published extensively in the airport list of publications is too run for me a visit to the Internet. 15 00:01:41,970 --> 00:01:46,010 We'll show you what she has been working on over the years. 16 00:01:46,010 --> 00:01:55,500 But she recently had a book published called Puplick Islamic Dulong, Voodoo Land Tapio, which was published in 2020. 17 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:59,190 Can you show the book, please? It is in French. It looks lovely. 18 00:01:59,190 --> 00:02:04,710 And have one of her latest articles in the Journal of Iranian Studies has been the 19 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:10,170 Islamic Republic of Iran's New Population Policy and Recent Changes in Fertility, 20 00:02:10,170 --> 00:02:13,620 which was published in March. Twenty twenty one. 21 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:22,140 So my daughter, further ado, I am and please do remember to mute your cameras, everybody, and you can send your questions, 22 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:27,630 write them and send them to me at the end of the talk and we will raise your questions, which Marie will answer. 23 00:02:27,630 --> 00:02:33,390 Thank you very much, Marie. Thank you very much for your this introduction. 24 00:02:33,390 --> 00:02:43,530 Before starting, I'd like to thank you for your invitation. I'm really, really pleased to contribute the talk to this research seminar. 25 00:02:43,530 --> 00:02:55,590 So in my email, PUDNEY 14 on the pretext of the threat of an ageing population due to birth control and the drop in fertility. 26 00:02:55,590 --> 00:03:07,680 The Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, drew up a strategic programme in the Fortune article that created called The Population General Hollister's. 27 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:16,250 It did. It is the matter of deploying all means possible to reverse Qantas infertility and 28 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:24,620 especially to reach a target population of one hundred and fifty million people. 29 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:30,520 The first question is whether this Neil population policy justified. 30 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Is Iran on the brink of widespread ageing and the numerical decline? 31 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:46,190 The analysis of the demographic situation and population are sportive provides some clear answers. 32 00:03:46,190 --> 00:04:00,040 Over the past two decades, the age structure of the Iranian population has changed significantly as a result of very rapid fertility transition. 33 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:11,320 According to the 2016 census, out of 18 million inhabitants, only 24 percent were under fifteen. 34 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:24,700 While the proportion of the working age population, age 55 to 64 reached a very high percentage of 70 percent. 35 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:28,780 Those 65 and all they're represented. 36 00:04:28,780 --> 00:04:33,260 Only six percent of the total population. 37 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:47,690 Does the ratio of economically active population to economically inactive population was at a crucial moment of demographic change? 38 00:04:47,690 --> 00:05:00,830 This demographic window or gift thus offers an exceptional historic opportunity to encourage economic growth. 39 00:05:00,830 --> 00:05:06,350 Provided that the states succeed in creating a favour. 40 00:05:06,350 --> 00:05:17,820 Will in I wonder moment for job recovery. But the Islamic Republic was wasting its active population potential. 41 00:05:17,820 --> 00:05:30,810 And instead of recommending the establishment of even pro Missouri policies conducive to taking advantage of this demographic opportunity, 42 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:38,490 the supreme leader has chosen to highlight the ageing of the population. 43 00:05:38,490 --> 00:05:45,880 Of course, this imminent ageing of the population is real and will we'll see. 44 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:52,250 This situation demands the urgent implementation of social convert. 45 00:05:52,250 --> 00:06:01,580 For the Albury, for instance, retirement, part pension, all age insurance and Special K. 46 00:06:01,580 --> 00:06:09,230 In no way this population policy will constitute an adequate response to the 47 00:06:09,230 --> 00:06:19,210 current ageing of the population according the U.S. population projection in 2015. 48 00:06:19,210 --> 00:06:28,220 Iran reached one hundred and three million inhabitants. Remain one of the most populous countries in the war. 49 00:06:28,220 --> 00:06:42,340 It's been seven things and the 19 place. At this date, 20, 50, nearly a quarter of the population will be 65 or older. 50 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:52,120 But the share of working age population will still be the largest at 60 percent. 51 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:59,200 These uncontested data show that in the foreseeable future, 52 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:07,990 Iran will certainly not be threatened, that bit decline their population or Danish generational? 53 00:07:07,990 --> 00:07:20,620 No real new. This confirms the hypothesis that the new population policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran, 54 00:07:20,620 --> 00:07:26,600 initiated by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and confirmed by the supreme leader. 55 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:33,390 Response foremost to political and ideological considerations. 56 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:38,560 So what are these concentration pristinely? 57 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:47,320 Therefore, 14 article decree called General Population Policies are drawn up in a key word, 58 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:54,840 quote, term, which may give rise to different applications depending on the context. 59 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:04,200 For example, the target of reaching a population of one hundred and fifteen million is not specifically state. 60 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:14,580 But the first article stipulates that it is necessary to promote the dynamic growth and youthfulness of the population. 61 00:08:14,580 --> 00:08:27,950 Why an increase in fertility which should be above the replacement threshold without specifying the level of fertility target? 62 00:08:27,950 --> 00:08:33,440 According to certain policymakers, the figure is trade children. 63 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,030 Why? For others, it is five to six children. 64 00:08:38,030 --> 00:08:47,390 Article two, amongst others, insist on the need to remove obstacles to reducing age at marriage. 65 00:08:47,390 --> 00:08:58,070 Yet no practical indications are given. Several of the decrease article referred to the need to cover the cost associated 66 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:05,630 with pregnancy and maternity for infertility treatment for men and women, 67 00:09:05,630 --> 00:09:17,420 and for nutrition and health needs, including lessons in public schooling about funding families and the merits of so doing. 68 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:28,450 And so on and so forth. What is six articles seems to focus on demographic considerations. 69 00:09:28,450 --> 00:09:36,670 Six others reveal the ideology car turner after recommendations. 70 00:09:36,670 --> 00:09:47,290 First one, promoting and institutionalising the Islamic and Iranian way of life to counter undesirable 71 00:09:47,290 --> 00:09:55,720 aspects of Western life aspects to reinforcing the competence of Nasrallah identity, 72 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,880 which are Iranian, Islamic and revolutionary. 73 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:15,610 Three, creating new settlement zones, particularly in the island along the coast of the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman for managing. 74 00:10:15,610 --> 00:10:28,230 Immigration and immigration in concert with general population policies, five, promoting consensus and social integration. 75 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:36,090 Across the territory, in particular, in the border zones and the mark, Iranian expatriates. 76 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:48,760 And finally, six encouraging Iranian expatriates to return and invest in the country and thereby benefit from the possibilities and capabilities. 77 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:59,770 And it being well aware that the predominant family model in Iran is to marry late and have a small nuclear family. 78 00:10:59,770 --> 00:11:08,020 The Islamic Republic's policy makers also know that the prospect of reaching a target 79 00:11:08,020 --> 00:11:17,620 population of one hundred and fifty million Iranians in the near future is utopian. 80 00:11:17,620 --> 00:11:25,780 These, to my mind, is what the decree never explicitly mentioned, this target. 81 00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:38,310 Why? No, the hinting at the idea of people in the entire territory by means other than rising Iranian fertility rate. 82 00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:46,290 The first man could be expectorate Iranians, as mentioned in Article twelve of the decree. 83 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:54,460 Ever given that the majority of this expatriate Iranian oppose the Islamic regime, 84 00:11:54,460 --> 00:12:04,010 assuming they agree to return to Iran, they might instead end up causing political unrest for the regime. 85 00:12:04,010 --> 00:12:10,760 This is why it is unlikely that this policy will be a priority of the regime. 86 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:20,360 Why mention is made of managing immigration and emigration in compliance with 87 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:28,230 general population policies without any practical indication on this matter. 88 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:35,870 It may be supposed that the Islamic Republic could envisage, including within the Iranian population, 89 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:45,810 the couple of million Afghans living in Iran as refugees and or as undocumented migrant. 90 00:12:45,810 --> 00:12:50,440 Especially as since 2014. 91 00:12:50,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Afghans enlisted by their Revolutionary Guards strong as militiamen called for two million to fight alongside the Syrian army, 92 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:10,950 have received Iranian nationality for themselves and their family. 93 00:13:10,950 --> 00:13:25,760 So it is very likely that by Iran and expatriates, the government I mean, Slavic Republic of Iran referred to these Afghans recently. 94 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:43,470 Naturaliste. This mess policy of taking in migrants and integrating them may also concern Shiite militia recruited by the pastor in Pakistan. 95 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:53,200 Called They Love You and fighting alongside the Revolutionary Guards in Syria. 96 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:59,980 This practise by the pastor on seems fairly close to the spread of the twenty fourteen 97 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:07,640 decree and suggest that their immigrant population included in the Iranian population, 98 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:13,010 the prime benefits years, would be Shiite. 99 00:14:13,010 --> 00:14:18,020 Furthermore, these recommendations are for border zones. 100 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:23,950 Thus pay for out regions, people may by Sunnis. 101 00:14:23,950 --> 00:14:35,600 In so far as this one, particularly those boarding Afghanistan and Pakistan in the east and Iraq and Turkey to the west 102 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:45,260 seem porous with intense regular to weigh the circulation of populations from the same ethnic, 103 00:14:45,260 --> 00:14:54,790 linguistic and religious group, the state appears determined to kerb these flows. 104 00:14:54,790 --> 00:15:05,940 In light of this Article 13 of the decree, which calls to reinforce the competence of Iranian Islamic Andrew Woloshin, 105 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:14,410 that a national identity and promote consensus and social integration across the territory, 106 00:15:14,410 --> 00:15:25,170 in particular in the mortar stores and amongst Iranian expatriates, takes on its full meaning. 107 00:15:25,170 --> 00:15:31,680 The objective is, above all, to provide Iran with a large population, 108 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:44,230 but additionally one who adders to the values of the Islamic Republic defined as the components national identity. 109 00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:49,180 It is most likely that the Islamic Republic follows this path. 110 00:15:49,180 --> 00:15:58,940 And for these reasons, the new population policy of the Islamic Republic may be defined as population ist. 111 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:10,790 Does the actual yet concept objective of the new population policy of the Islamic Republic is in reality to boost population growth, 112 00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:20,740 to reach one hundred and fifty million inhabitants with an Iran of one million, 50 million inhabitants? 113 00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:30,040 Tell Rikako the state hopes to cure a demographic weapon to exert influence in the region. 114 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,660 It would indeed be destroy if we open. 115 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:44,530 That would be crucial for it. Regime engaged in this protocol, dispute with the immediate neighbours and with the West. 116 00:16:44,530 --> 00:16:57,760 And one cannot fail to note it, coherence between this population, this direction and Iran's ambitions for a generally hegemony. 117 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:09,730 Because exactly of this ideological and political objective, I must emphasise that the Islamic Republic took some incentive, 118 00:17:09,730 --> 00:17:21,670 Culver City and aggressive measures in order to accelerate the process of reversing the downward trend in fertility. 119 00:17:21,670 --> 00:17:29,140 It goes without saying that these measures were taken in violation of women's right. 120 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:33,910 And, of course, their reproductive rights. 121 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:39,820 In other words, to achieve this new population policy. 122 00:17:39,820 --> 00:17:46,640 The Islamic Republic of Iran sees the women's body. 123 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:59,620 Let's take a look at the most significant and important incentive and aggressive measures implemented in Iran since 2009 10. 124 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:07,780 First, incentive measures encouraging Iranians to marry and found families ladyhawke. 125 00:18:07,780 --> 00:18:10,180 In November 2010, 126 00:18:10,180 --> 00:18:24,940 Ahmadinejad expressed recommended marriage at the precocious age during a meeting in tribute to the actors and benefactors of Marriott. 127 00:18:24,940 --> 00:18:35,960 Hit the glass. I caught for me, the ideal age for women to marry is between 16 and 18. 128 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,710 And for men between 19 and 21. 129 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:47,120 What I remind you, in two thousand and six, the mean age. 130 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:52,760 At first, married for women was twenty two point seven. 131 00:18:52,760 --> 00:19:03,280 And for men, twenty six point five. Ahmadinejad went on to state that I called, okay? 132 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,590 We need to move towards a simple marriage and support it. 133 00:19:08,590 --> 00:19:22,350 I believe a simple and significant marriage has priority over employment and housing issues and got the expression simple marriage. 134 00:19:22,350 --> 00:19:35,470 You was used by the head of government to mean a marriage celebrated by an inexpensive ceremony and a doree of primarily symbolic value. 135 00:19:35,470 --> 00:19:39,920 For example, 14 gold coins. The name of the fourth. 136 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:50,880 Did she write any collates? Ahmadinejad just proposed launching an initiative to conduct pullup hunger. 137 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:59,940 Now four simple early Megahed to this and the minister of the interior set up a foundation called 138 00:19:59,940 --> 00:20:08,490 the National Foundation for Marriage between the ministry's department for women's efforts. 139 00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:17,010 This foundation was tasked with coordinating all the state activities for the marriage of young people, 140 00:20:17,010 --> 00:20:30,540 supporting bodys course activities cause to step in facts indicating marriage and helping set up new structure to monitor these goals. 141 00:20:30,540 --> 00:20:45,980 In addition, since 2009, the government grants and interest free loan to Iran young people in order to entice them to marry very young Yonke. 142 00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:50,390 At the beginning, the amount was about one to three million. 143 00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:59,380 Two months. But today it is between 70 to 100 million plemons. 144 00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:10,510 To assess the impact of this measure, it is necessary to carry out a field survey, which is not possible under current conditions in Iraq. 145 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:21,550 Nevertheless, it is legitimate to assume that these measures, when these financial incentive seems significant, 146 00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:33,330 have encouraged young people from disadvantaged strata, particularly in rural sectors, to get married young. 147 00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:43,620 Indeed, he observed that there probably shouldn't single women aged 15 to 24 in urban sector and 148 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:52,020 aged fifteen to twenty nine in rural sectors after steady rising for three decades, 149 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:58,870 has dropped from 2006 to twenty sixteen. 150 00:21:58,870 --> 00:22:02,570 In this, especially in their rural sectors, the middle age, 151 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:13,790 at first marriage passed far from two twenty three point eight in 2006 to twenty two point seven. 152 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:24,900 In 2016. This can be explained in part by the impact of the state campaigns promoting marriage at very young ages. 153 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:30,060 Moreover, the change in age at Marriott. 154 00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:39,170 Seems to be in line with the fertility trend between 2012 and 2016. 155 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:45,620 Indeed, while their Furtiva deal was stablish it at a fair la Loba, 156 00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:57,680 one point nine children per woman between 2001 and 2011 has started to rise slightly 157 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:09,320 between 2012 and 2016 at around two point one and two point two children per woman. 158 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:19,400 Now we look at Quested said, save an aggressive measures doing this through version of a free contraceptive. 159 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,980 In August 2012, 160 00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:34,100 taking advantage of a speech by the supreme leader during a meeting in which he emphasised that if the population control policy continues, 161 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:42,740 the population will grow. Progress will be older and the population will ultimately decline and muddiness are blocked. 162 00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:50,480 The family planning budget for the purchase of contraceptive in 2013, 163 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:59,240 following recommendations by supreme leader, the Family Planning Centre's budget was drastically reduced. 164 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:12,440 Consequently, these centre definitely halted the distribution of free contraceptives and stopped offering Rezac families and tubal ligatures. 165 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:18,430 As of 2013. Of course, contraceptive. 166 00:24:18,430 --> 00:24:22,430 Admittedly, it's still on sale in pharmacies. 167 00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:35,720 But given the serious economic crisis and soaring inflation data, price rose steadily, making them unaffordable for disadvantaged classes. 168 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:48,110 Additionally, since these state pro-government media, including newspaper, radio, television, together with colourist during Friday prayers, 169 00:24:48,110 --> 00:25:02,560 have started it systematic offensive against contraceptive after and pupil open Yanta, the often very dangerous side effects for women hepped. 170 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,550 The suspension of the distribution of contraceptive affects, 171 00:25:06,550 --> 00:25:14,920 in particular the families from the disadvantaged and mothers as to who ought to then could benefit from their 172 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:23,170 various service of the family planning centre to cultural or programme the calendar of their fertility. 173 00:25:23,170 --> 00:25:35,290 Again, in the absence of appropriate data, Michon marriages assume that this aggressive measure has affected fertility and possibly caused 174 00:25:35,290 --> 00:25:42,810 on what that birth and consequently a slight increase in the fertility of married couples. 175 00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:53,130 More importantly, women were deprived of their right to choose whether to have a child or not and their 176 00:25:53,130 --> 00:26:02,430 reproductive health right would have been violated in case of unauthorised abortion. 177 00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:12,380 The second course, active, even aggressive major, is an article of the draught no court population. 178 00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:17,640 And this of the family. It concerns employment. 179 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:30,080 According to this article, the parliament, uranian, parliament gives employment priority in both the public and private sector to first. 180 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:43,610 Married men, Rete Children, Segan, married man out to right and Leslie Leithead to married women with children. 181 00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:52,190 In the absence of married applicant, it is possible to employ qualified, unmarried individuals. 182 00:26:52,190 --> 00:27:04,820 Men first, then remit. Given that the evolution of the main determinants of fertility in Europe is contributing to birth control. 183 00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:18,080 I assume that this this criminally low hitting singles, especially women, has influenced the behaviour of married couples and young singles. 184 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,500 Given the severity of the economic situation in Europe and the high rate of unemployment, 185 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:31,460 young couples are likely to have changed their family project and young men and women may 186 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:38,900 have decided to marry in order to increase the chances of accessing stable employment. 187 00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:46,970 It is possible that couples in particular will have reduced their interval between marriage and the first, 188 00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:53,290 third or between births if they have already tried. 189 00:27:53,290 --> 00:28:00,420 Of course, until now, no data available laws to prove this hypothesis. 190 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:07,720 However, in the current state of knowledge of the social and economic situation of the country, 191 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:19,300 it seems to be the most likely experimentation of the slight increase in fertility between 2012 and twenty. 192 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,750 Since then, the worsening economic conditions, 193 00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:34,540 mainly due to U.S. sanctions having significantly reduced the government's ability to continue both its coercive and incentive measures, 194 00:28:34,540 --> 00:28:47,920 have led to a continued decline in marriage and therefore the decline in birth and fertility after a slight rise between 2012 and 2016. 195 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:59,270 The fertility started falling to one point nine to run in twenty eighteen and to one point seven in twenty nineteen. 196 00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:10,020 To conclude, I would cut the paragraph seven point three of the International Conference on Population and Development Programme of actions. 197 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:18,660 It says, I quote, Reproductive rights are based on the right of couples and individuals to decide. 198 00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:30,090 Free from discrimination, coercion and violence, whether to have children, how often and when to do so. 199 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:36,300 Having been necessary information and means to make such a decision, 200 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:47,070 it is also connected with gay rights to the highest attainable standard of sexual and reproductive health. 201 00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:58,020 So you see, all the measure taken in Iran shows clearly that the Islamic Republic for this tragic take necessary. 202 00:29:58,020 --> 00:30:08,160 I must emphasise the survival of the regime depends on it, did not hesitate to violate once again in a different way. 203 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:21,320 The human rights of women. What Iranian women, by reappropriating their fertility, succeeded in the coming out of the male sphere of the nation. 204 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,860 And they're switching dignity and equality. 205 00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:35,270 They again find themselves subject to injunctions that violate their reproductive health rights and thereby human rights. 206 00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:39,310 Thank you for your attention. Thank you very much, Mary. 207 00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:42,610 Thank you. That's very, very rich. It needs a lot of hope. 208 00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:47,800 And in fact, some people have already asked me whether they could have the script of your paper. 209 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:53,470 If that is available, is there any way where they can access your written text? 210 00:30:53,470 --> 00:31:02,200 I think that the most important things that I talk about, they can find in my article on the Journal of Iranian study I mentioned, 211 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:13,830 it's like the article that the mother is referring to is called The Islamic Republic of Iran's New Population Policy and Recent Changes in fertility. 212 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:22,050 It's on in the issue of March 20 21. So you will get all the figures that we are asking for that article. 213 00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:27,699 Well, I really very much enjoyed the inflammation. Thank you very.