1 00:00:00,180 --> 00:00:04,380 Hi, everybody. Thanks very much for joining us for our closing plenary. 2 00:00:04,380 --> 00:00:05,550 We have Francis guy. 3 00:00:05,550 --> 00:00:12,970 He'll be pulling together the different strands of the conference and helping us figure out how he can fit the different pieces together. 4 00:00:12,970 --> 00:00:17,460 And so we are very grateful to her and for helping us with that. 5 00:00:17,460 --> 00:00:25,970 And. Francis guy is currently the UN deep key regional gender adviser based in Amman in Jordan. 6 00:00:25,970 --> 00:00:31,700 She was previously the head of Middle East region at Christian Aid, which was based in London, 7 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:35,240 and she has worked as the representative of the U.N. women in Iraq. 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:43,850 Between May 2012 and December 2014. Prior to that, Francis was a career diplomat in the British Foreign Service, 9 00:00:43,850 --> 00:00:52,130 where she served as ambassador to Yemen and to Lebanon and had a number of other postings, mostly in the Arab region and in the Horn of Africa. 10 00:00:52,130 --> 00:01:02,770 So we are very grateful to her for joining us. And Francis, I hand over to, you know. 11 00:01:02,770 --> 00:01:07,440 Francis, would you like to start? I will, but I'm still seeing you are okay. 12 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:15,940 I'm not myself to make sure I was okay. And I just wanted to start by thanking everybody, all the organisers, 13 00:01:15,940 --> 00:01:25,240 for demonstrating that it's possible to have a wonderfully exciting and inspiring conference online. 14 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,970 I've spent my life on Zoome these days, 15 00:01:27,970 --> 00:01:34,870 and this has been one of the most interesting three hours I've spent in the last eight weeks whilst I'm locked down. 16 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:40,920 So thank you very much for all of that and for proving that it's possible. 17 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:46,860 And for bringing together such a Wide-Ranging group between academics, practitioners and peace builders. 18 00:01:46,860 --> 00:01:53,770 I think that's very important. I'd like to thank also the panellists for their very thoughtful presentations and for 19 00:01:53,770 --> 00:01:59,350 all the preparation that clearly went into them and to all the participants online. 20 00:01:59,350 --> 00:02:05,710 One of the great things about doing stuff virtually, is that we can have participants from all over the world, literally. 21 00:02:05,710 --> 00:02:13,450 I saw that we have people in Australia online. And so thank you for also for your energetic participation. 22 00:02:13,450 --> 00:02:17,700 And however I summarise, there's no way I can do justice to this. 23 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:24,010 And I'm feeling a bit guilty because I was one of the ones who said we can't possibly do more than half a day online. 24 00:02:24,010 --> 00:02:31,090 I think it's probably true. And I'm very torn between thinking that it's a shame that we weren't there. 25 00:02:31,090 --> 00:02:36,190 We aren't in Oxford and we're not able to carry on the conversations in the corridors. 26 00:02:36,190 --> 00:02:41,020 But as I said, the counterbalance to that is we've got people joining us from all over. 27 00:02:41,020 --> 00:02:47,460 And that's obviously a big positive and. 28 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:55,080 One thing I would like to say, because obviously in half a day, you can't cover everything, even if we've covered an awful lot. 29 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:03,570 Because I know I work for the United Nations Development Programme and there are actually ten of these women, Peace and Security Council resolutions. 30 00:03:03,570 --> 00:03:11,850 Now, as we learnt at the beginning, I'm one key part for me, which often is not really highlighted very much, 31 00:03:11,850 --> 00:03:20,290 which appears specifically in as Kids Council Resolution 1889, but does appear often on sometimes in others, 32 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:28,050 is about the role of women in economic and political decision making, in the immediate post-conflict recovery process, 33 00:03:28,050 --> 00:03:36,240 which, as others have pointed out, actually has to start right even before world conflict is going on. 34 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,490 But we haven't talked about that very much. 35 00:03:38,490 --> 00:03:45,900 There are opportunities which are often missed because women, while they've been doing all this great work on the ground, 36 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:55,770 there's a tendency, unfortunately, to return to the the predispositions of power sometimes that existed before the conflict anyway. 37 00:03:55,770 --> 00:04:00,420 And we will have another conference another day, I'm sure. Thank you. 38 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:11,010 We've had great positive inspiration from the grain, from Sudan and from Afghanistan and also from some of them and from Ed Henry, 39 00:04:11,010 --> 00:04:16,060 who have shown that progress has been made over the last 20 years. 40 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:21,690 And from Baroness Hell, it is shown that where there's political will, we can make a difference. 41 00:04:21,690 --> 00:04:29,580 Even if she's also hinted that political will might not always be enough and may be brought down to earth by academics 42 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:40,590 who have shown that if we look at the real nitty gritty of what's in peace treaties and and the results of all of this, 43 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:49,290 maybe we haven't actually made so much progress. After all, we've had a lot to think about. 44 00:04:49,290 --> 00:04:57,060 And I wanted to just say a few of the takeaways. I will take away and I hope that we can encourage all of you to do so. 45 00:04:57,060 --> 00:05:04,170 We started at the beginning with a reflection on what do we mean by security? 46 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:05,940 I think now and I think of, you know, 47 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:14,310 how Jordan started the lockdown with military men trying to think that they could that they could deliver food to the whole population. 48 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:21,570 Thank goodness they realised very quickly that that was not possible and they weren't going to have to open a few things up. 49 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:25,410 But, you know, that's what we tend to think of when we think of security. 50 00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:28,970 And we've been reminded right at the beginning that security is something else. 51 00:05:28,970 --> 00:05:35,850 Security is human security. Security is about the qualities of a feminist piece. 52 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:42,480 And so I think even if there was only one thing we remembered, if we remembered that it would be very important. 53 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:48,420 We've learnt that when women join peace negotiations at whatever level, at whatever point, 54 00:05:48,420 --> 00:05:53,980 they open the door for others and bring in other people who are excluded. 55 00:05:53,980 --> 00:06:00,120 And we've learnt about the importance to facilitate inclusion that when women are 56 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:06,630 doing the good work on building the important blocks of peace and informal processes, 57 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:11,520 that shouldn't be an excuse to exclude them from the more formal processes. 58 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:19,350 So we need to work better to facilitate joining up those formal and informal processes. 59 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:24,170 We've heard that it's important to listen to women on the ground. 60 00:06:24,170 --> 00:06:31,710 And yes, we've learnt that it's important to encourage sympathetic women in the military. 61 00:06:31,710 --> 00:06:38,820 I know that a lot of women pacifists would be with, you know, wouldn't maybe be less enthusiastic about that. 62 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:44,430 But I think Sophie showed demonstrated very clearly what an important role that is and how difficult, 63 00:06:44,430 --> 00:06:50,070 unfortunately, will still be for the UN to meet its own targets. 64 00:06:50,070 --> 00:06:59,940 We've learnt that we can keep pushing for change, but that we need to still remember that that mantra of do no harm. 65 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:09,790 So don't force people to repeat the trauma that they've had to is very important as well. 66 00:07:09,790 --> 00:07:14,080 And sorry. There was a good piece on the chat that we didn't talk about. 67 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:21,550 So as well as having more women in the military and somebody raised the importance of bringing more women into the judiciary, 68 00:07:21,550 --> 00:07:26,380 into the court systems as a way of ensuring transitional justice. 69 00:07:26,380 --> 00:07:32,200 I think that's also an angle that could be explored much further. What can we all do as individuals? 70 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:39,280 What can our 100 participants do? We can all keep amplifying these voices. 71 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:47,170 I think that's already very important. We can support Sanam and I can in the Sheep Builds piece campaign. 72 00:07:47,170 --> 00:07:54,430 And if I may do a shameless plug, you NDP with UN women with I can. 73 00:07:54,430 --> 00:08:05,650 And we. The Women's International League for Peace and Freedom are launching a six week online discussion on Tuesday about some of this, 74 00:08:05,650 --> 00:08:12,670 about women in political decision making, about women in economic decision making in post-conflict, 75 00:08:12,670 --> 00:08:23,680 and about the lessons we can learn from women in peacebuilding to help us deal better to respond to the pandemic crisis of today. 76 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:31,080 So I hope we can encourage you all to join that and to spread the word and get other people to join that conversation. 77 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:38,770 A practical reason that we hope to distil some recommendations that we can take to the 20th anniversary of 13. 78 00:08:38,770 --> 00:08:47,770 Twenty five. And because the practitioners amongst us and including in this particular context, you, 79 00:08:47,770 --> 00:08:53,890 NVP, want to take away something that we can really change in our own programming. 80 00:08:53,890 --> 00:08:57,970 And if that's another message we can take from today is that all of us who are 81 00:08:57,970 --> 00:09:04,750 practitioners on the ground can also do something to make sure all these voices are heard. 82 00:09:04,750 --> 00:09:09,270 Thank you very much. Thank you so much, Francis, we really appreciate that. 83 00:09:09,270 --> 00:09:16,740 I think that was a fantastic overview of what was a very interesting conference. 84 00:09:16,740 --> 00:09:22,230 I can only echo France, what Francis said about just how fantastically well all of our panellists had 85 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:27,960 prepared and what a treat it was to listen to everything that you had to say. 86 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:38,160 As he mentioned, we now have a couple of minutes to get sort of 30 second interventions that were a couple of questions that weren't answered. 87 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:45,780 And some of the panellists might like to respond to those questions or to have a sort of final 30 second statement. 88 00:09:45,780 --> 00:10:00,470 So if we can meet the panellists, then if anyone has anything that they would like to to make as a final comment. 89 00:10:00,470 --> 00:10:08,030 I don't want to put anybody on the spot. And now is your chance. 90 00:10:08,030 --> 00:10:16,280 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 91 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,320 From somebody. Oh, yeah. There's a silly idea. Sorry. 92 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,220 Please do. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you. And to you. 93 00:10:25,220 --> 00:10:33,260 Thank you very much for this listing presentations. And to be honest, I just, you know, some of it. 94 00:10:33,260 --> 00:10:42,250 What is going on about submission as a peacekeeping mission that really is this just missions? 95 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:47,510 Do they just come to maintain peace and to keep peace? 96 00:10:47,510 --> 00:10:54,980 Or should they be more engaged with the society and communities and especially this woman to understand what is going on, 97 00:10:54,980 --> 00:11:01,570 films, a woman as himself and also to engage with them and how does come deliver? 98 00:11:01,570 --> 00:11:09,920 There were, of course, 100 questions out there. You know, this kind of engagement between the community and peace forces. 99 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,460 So I would like really to see that seeing this really, you know, 100 00:11:13,460 --> 00:11:22,210 taken into consideration a peace mission that when they come is just to engage with a community that is unguessed to come on. 101 00:11:22,210 --> 00:11:27,170 Got some work in isolation forms. A step shows. 102 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:31,160 Look at this option so far or form in the area. 103 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:37,260 Thank you. Thank you very much, Dr. Mousel, we really appreciate that. 104 00:11:37,260 --> 00:11:45,590 Is there anybody else who might like to have a final word? Me and my company. 105 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:56,960 Yes, please get the set up in response to a question that was posed from online video around sort of 106 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:03,230 the gender equality and finding peace and security and how I want peace and security issues. 107 00:12:03,230 --> 00:12:12,230 Our. I signed up and I think that's that's one of the big challenges that I see, that even in countries where you do have peace and security, 108 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:22,970 national action plans, where you have these forums where the military is Mr. Defence, the police can meet with women's rights organisations, 109 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:28,550 for example, when there is a quote unquote real security issue, 110 00:12:28,550 --> 00:12:34,040 then oftentimes these peace and security mechanisms are completely sidelined and 111 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,470 are not used by those who who are dealing with the so-called real security issue. 112 00:12:39,470 --> 00:12:45,230 And it is something we can, for example, policy in Ukraine with the war in the east or in Kyrgyzstan, 113 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:50,970 where I was looking at the National Action Plan and one piece of security, even though these mechanisms exist. 114 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:58,640 Women's voices are often sidelined by those key actors when it comes to a real crisis or real perceived security threat. 115 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,360 So I think that's us where there's a lot more that needs to be done to make sure 116 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:08,870 that these existing mechanisms are taken seriously by the different actors. 117 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:14,790 And thank you so much, John. An important and important point and a reference to what a couple of people have said about 118 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:20,790 political will and the importance for these things to really be taken seriously by the leaders. 119 00:13:20,790 --> 00:13:28,740 We have a couple more minutes, I think. Would anybody else like to make a final comment? 120 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:34,130 No, soon as we can, we can sort of draw to a national close there. 121 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:39,400 So thank you very much. I'm going to hand over now to Liz and to to thank everyone. 122 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:46,410 And thank you to our panellists who have made those interventions very interesting. 123 00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:52,740 I just want to be sure that Richard did get a chance to answer that question like. 124 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:58,200 Yes. Did you? I'm not sure that this is getting. 125 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,130 Oh, Richard, sorry. 126 00:14:02,130 --> 00:14:09,070 Or a question to me is, what was that one wrote on Q&A that you wanted to answer a question? 127 00:14:09,070 --> 00:14:13,490 Life. Oh, no, no, sorry. That's an error. 128 00:14:13,490 --> 00:14:23,350 OK. Thank you. Well, I think what we've shown this this morning, morning as it is in Oxford, 129 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:35,290 is that resolution 13 25 has represented a an important benchmark and reference point for action, for measuring progress. 130 00:14:35,290 --> 00:14:38,470 And it still continues to do so. 131 00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:47,920 And another thing that seems to have come out quite clearly is the importance of training of as as tuna put it at the beginning. 132 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Knowledge is fine, but what are we going to do with it? And sometimes that does involves training. 133 00:14:53,920 --> 00:15:00,700 So training of women and men so that women can take a full part in peace making at every level. 134 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:04,940 And another thing that came out was the importance of the local level. 135 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:19,090 And at every level, at national and international level, as well as local and in socio economic reconstruction and development afterwards as well. 136 00:15:19,090 --> 00:15:28,840 And training of women as members of peacekeeping forces and training of investigators in the field of sexual violence. 137 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:39,860 To be sensitive. And the ongoing training and sharing between women and everyday peacebuilding all over the world. 138 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:43,580 So please do look for the podcast. 139 00:15:43,580 --> 00:15:51,890 We hope that the recording has worked and that the files will be able to be uploaded and you can find that via the peace Web site. 140 00:15:51,890 --> 00:15:58,820 You can just Google orks piece and you'll come to lots of network of peace studies and you will come straight 141 00:15:58,820 --> 00:16:06,530 to our page on which you should find a link to talks from previous conferences or something like that, 142 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:15,280 which will take you to the podcast for this conference. When we have got it uploaded, give us a little time to do that. 143 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,670 And please watch our video on your piece video, 144 00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:28,070 which is about box peace and about the hopes for posts and particularly a professorial chair in Oxford. 145 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:40,690 And please do send us in your contacts to millionaires who will be able to endow those posts. 146 00:16:40,690 --> 00:16:46,500 To be on the space mail list, please, just you can e-mail me and several people have. 147 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:52,050 Thanks very much. That's my addresses. Also on the Web site. 148 00:16:52,050 --> 00:16:58,240 So thanks immensely to everybody who's taken part to the organisers again. 149 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:05,890 And until we meet again. Stay well. And our very best wishes from space. 150 00:17:05,890 --> 00:17:21,293 Thank you for taking part. And I declare the conference ended.