1 00:00:12,110 --> 00:00:15,740 Well, all right, well, thank you, Crystal, for the introduction. 2 00:00:15,740 --> 00:00:24,720 I'm just going to tell you a bit about what it is, who we are and what we do, and a lot of what I talk about will be COVID 19. 3 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:33,410 And then if I have time at the end, I'll go through in brief what we do in peacetime in case that's of interest as well. 4 00:00:33,410 --> 00:00:38,420 So the Science Media Centre is an independent press office. We were set up in 2002. 5 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:43,610 That was after there'd been several kind of high profile front page stories that went a bit wrong. 6 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:52,280 So things like the MMR and autism health scare GM crops Franken foods when they were first being discussed and in CJD. 7 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:59,180 So these were the kinds of headlines that we had at the time scary, scary stuff about the harms of vaccines. 8 00:00:59,180 --> 00:01:04,550 Around that time, there was a House of Lords Science and Technology Select Committee hearing on science in society. 9 00:01:04,550 --> 00:01:09,620 Several people who gave evidence not hearing mentioned these fake stories and said that 10 00:01:09,620 --> 00:01:13,550 one of the common factors was that we didn't hear enough from scientists and experts. 11 00:01:13,550 --> 00:01:18,830 We knew what the evidence was, so we heard plenty from campaigners and politicians and people with an agenda. 12 00:01:18,830 --> 00:01:23,660 We didn't hear enough from people who actually knew. Is this something we should be worried about or not? 13 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:30,080 So what was proposed was an independent organisation that would work with the scientific 14 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,030 community and the mass media to put these two groups of people in touch with each other, 15 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:41,720 more often more efficiently within the timescales that are useful to journalists to try and avoid any unwarranted health scares, 16 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:47,370 to try and make sure that media coverage is as accurate and responsible as possible. 17 00:01:47,370 --> 00:01:52,850 And why do we still care about the media in these days of social media and online stuff? 18 00:01:52,850 --> 00:02:01,200 Well, the latest evidence still suggests that most people still get their information from what you would call traditional news sources. 19 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:08,780 So newspapers, of course, that might not be the the Mail Online or the BBC, online TV and radio. 20 00:02:08,780 --> 00:02:12,770 So yes, blogs are great and things like social media are important. 21 00:02:12,770 --> 00:02:18,890 But we say ignore the mass media at your peril because that is still where most people get their information from, 22 00:02:18,890 --> 00:02:25,790 particularly people who aren't seeking out science. So the ordinary members of the public who will in a way hear about science by 23 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:31,310 accident because they're listening to the news or they're reading the newspaper. 24 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:35,780 And we often say to scientists, if you don't speak to the media, then someone else will. 25 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:40,400 We all know at the moment there's there's 24-7 news coverage, 26 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:46,910 and journalists don't wait to hear from the world's number one top expert in a thing before they will cover a story. 27 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:54,050 They have to cover it, then that's the way breaking news in particular works, so they will cover it with or without you. 28 00:02:54,050 --> 00:02:59,810 So if you are an expert in this area, better that they hear from you. But the piece, the piece of news, 29 00:02:59,810 --> 00:03:06,500 and therefore everyone who reads that or hears it will benefit from your expertise as well as Crystal mentioned at the beginning, 30 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:12,560 we always say that we'll help the media to do science better. When scientists do the media better, it's very much a two way thing. 31 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:21,230 Journalists aren't scientists. They can't be expected to get everything right without the help of experts, and the CMC is particularly concerned, 32 00:03:21,230 --> 00:03:24,750 in fact solely concerned with the accuracy and quality of media reporting. 33 00:03:24,750 --> 00:03:31,790 So unlike other press offices, we don't have in-house experts, we don't have our own scientists, we don't publish science. 34 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:37,310 So we're not doing PR for a certain thing. We're not trying to get coverage for a certain thing. 35 00:03:37,310 --> 00:03:45,480 We're just concerned with when the media are reporting about science that they do it in as accurate and as responsible a way possible. 36 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,950 Not expecting you to read this. This is just to remind me to tell you how we are funded. 37 00:03:48,950 --> 00:03:54,590 So I said we're an independent organisation and we are we are funded loosely by the scientific community. 38 00:03:54,590 --> 00:04:03,260 So lots of universities, some industry, some government departments and learnt societies, the fund, the big science funders. 39 00:04:03,260 --> 00:04:09,110 We've also got a couple of media funders in there. So the Daily Mail and the Times, now both funders as well. 40 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:15,860 We cap donations at five percent of our annual income. So we maintain independence from all these places and nobody can tell us to do something. 41 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:25,550 Ask us not to do something, check to us if we if we do something, we make all the editorial decisions ourselves about what stories we work on. 42 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:29,990 So these are the three groups of people we work with. We've got about three thousand scientists from across the UK. 43 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:35,180 Mostly, they are university academics, also a few industry scientists. 44 00:04:35,180 --> 00:04:42,410 Research charity director of research sometimes thinks about twelve hundred press officers from 45 00:04:42,410 --> 00:04:48,030 all the institutes that we work with and then a bunch of journalists who are on our press lists. 46 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:54,950 The journals that we work with are the science, health and environment specialist correspondents at all the UK nationals. 47 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:59,990 So in the UK, we've got obviously the broadsheets, the tabloids, broadcast channels, 48 00:04:59,990 --> 00:05:06,830 notebooks and news wires like PR Reuters, who feeds their Typekit into all the other outlets. 49 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:11,780 And we're lucky in the UK that all of these places still has a science correspondent and health. 50 00:05:11,780 --> 00:05:17,570 First of all, an environment correspondent, that's not the case in other countries, so we're really lucky to have those here. 51 00:05:17,570 --> 00:05:25,760 And we're often saying to scientists if any journalist is going to do a decent job of your research, especially the science correspondents. 52 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:31,880 So just to go through the main things that we do at the on a day to day basis to try 53 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,550 and achieve our aims of increasing the accuracy of evidence based media reporting. 54 00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:43,400 So those three things are rapid reactions, round ups and press briefings. 55 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,400 So first, a rapid reaction is what we do when there's a big breaking story. 56 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,290 It won't surprise you that the one I'm going to talk to you about is this COVID 19. 57 00:05:51,290 --> 00:05:57,350 So we started working on this in mid-January when we were seeing headlines like these, 58 00:05:57,350 --> 00:06:04,450 which now seem slightly surreal, talking about a mystery illness in a few people in China. 59 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:12,440 And we're very media led at the assembly. So when this became a headline for media, that was when we started to work on this. 60 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:18,800 And what we do is when there is a breaking story that journalists are covering or that they are interested in and they get in touch 61 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:28,850 with us and ask us to help with is we go to our database of experts and find those with the relevant expertise and ask them to help. 62 00:06:28,850 --> 00:06:35,210 So usually that is to give us a written comment that we can send out by email to the journalists on our press. 63 00:06:35,210 --> 00:06:39,200 So these are quotes they don't have to be short sound bite sentences. 64 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,480 They can be quite sciencey paragraphs. We make no apology for the fact that we are here for the scientific community, 65 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,460 and scientists are welcome to talk about science and evidence, and that's what we want them to do. 66 00:06:49,460 --> 00:06:56,720 So we ask them to give us written quotes and then we sort of pump these out by email to journalists from all across the media. 67 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:02,120 Journalists are welcome to use those as they wish so they can cut and paste them into their articles, which they often do. 68 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,500 They can use them to to help inform their patients to help their understanding. 69 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:10,490 And then they can get back to us and say, I've seen the comment from Professor Smith. 70 00:07:10,490 --> 00:07:15,080 Can you put me in touch with her and I can ask some more questions about it? So that's what we did. 71 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,150 The first day we worked on this was a Saturday in mid-January. 72 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:28,160 This was when it was called. We had coronavirus, and so we went to our experts in the database and asked journalists, don't ask about this. 73 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,690 Tell us about it. How concerned should we be? How worrying, high worrying is the situation? 74 00:07:32,690 --> 00:07:35,750 By the way, I'm not expecting you to read any of what I'm showing you. 75 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:41,060 These are just kind of I'm just sort of showing you pictures to show you snapshots of the kind of thing that we did. 76 00:07:41,060 --> 00:07:47,150 So these are the kinds of people that we send out comments from so far from the Wellcome Trust. 77 00:07:47,150 --> 00:07:53,390 Ashley McDermott, who is a scientist and clinician based at King's College London. 78 00:07:53,390 --> 00:07:57,980 Other experts in zoonotic diseases from from her bright people who are experts in 79 00:07:57,980 --> 00:08:04,550 global health and experts and immunology modelling experts like Michael Hasse, 80 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:13,640 Edinburgh. Virologists, people at my. So these people, all centres and more all centres comments on that Saturday about what we knew, 81 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,950 what we didn't know, which was a lot, and we sent those out by email to journalists. 82 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:25,220 And this is the kind of thing that we see later that day or the next day. So media articles using the quotes that we send out. 83 00:08:25,220 --> 00:08:30,710 So this is just an example of one in the mirror, and you can see where the quotes were used. 84 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:36,590 So quite quickly we realised this is this is a big story. We were getting dozens of calls every day. 85 00:08:36,590 --> 00:08:41,930 So within a couple of days of starting to work on this, we arranged our first press briefings, 86 00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:48,140 so physical press conference that we have in our normally in our offices in London. 87 00:08:48,140 --> 00:08:51,260 So this is just what the invitation looks like, that we send that to journalists. 88 00:08:51,260 --> 00:08:56,840 So we gathered a panel of four leading experts who could cover different topics. 89 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,510 So we had a model where we had an infectious disease expert, we had a global disease expert. 90 00:09:02,510 --> 00:09:09,620 We had someone can Wellcome. And the idea is that journalists are ringing us asking the same questions. 91 00:09:09,620 --> 00:09:15,770 Journalists are trying to get in touch with scientists to have their questions answered. Scientists are their phones are ringing off the hook, 92 00:09:15,770 --> 00:09:20,360 so let's get them all together in one room so that scientists can give their take on the situation. 93 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,900 Journalists can ask their questions. All the other journalists can benefit from the answers to their peers questions. 94 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:32,660 So we had loads of journalists attend from across the kind of media spectrum. 95 00:09:32,660 --> 00:09:39,470 So broadcast, tabloid broadsheets, etc. This is what they look like. 96 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:43,660 So these obviously this was before social distancing was a thing. 97 00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:51,050 And so the panellists on a chockablock room full of journalists and camera crews who wanted to hear about the science behind this. 98 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:56,510 And these are just some examples of where comments that were given in the briefing were used to inform the media articles, 99 00:09:56,510 --> 00:10:00,350 which which happens after that. So in the Times in the Express, again, 100 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:06,740 just showing the across the board journalists who are trying to get this right and were really keen to hear from scientists, 101 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:12,360 and then they were all on the news as well. And then within. 102 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:19,300 On the days and weeks that followed that briefing, the the comments that were made by the scientists at that briefing continue to inform the article. 103 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:27,230 So quite a lot of the Mail Online articles, for example, had a little box or fact box, which they'd drawn up from the briefings. 104 00:10:27,230 --> 00:10:29,370 So it full of points from the briefing scientists. 105 00:10:29,370 --> 00:10:35,310 And I think almost all the articles they wrote on on COVID after that have these boxes at the at the end, 106 00:10:35,310 --> 00:10:39,450 so continue to inform coverage, which is great for us because that's what we want. 107 00:10:39,450 --> 00:10:46,400 Is these scientists out there in the coverage informing it so that the public hearing from the experts. 108 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,760 And then these are just a few examples of the early kind of developments which we 109 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,570 gathered these rapid reaction comments to to send out to journalists by email. 110 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:58,670 So this was the first kind of inkling that asymptomatic spread might be a thing. 111 00:10:58,670 --> 00:11:04,920 So when that happened, we have questions from journalists. So we went back to our experts and said, Can you send us a comment about this? 112 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,880 So these are the kinds of experts that we that we send out comments from. 113 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:13,790 This is just what it looks like when journalists receive our emails and they're free to copy and paste these quotes, which they did. 114 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:18,260 So that's just one example in the Mail Online. That's that sort of sandbox thing I was mentioning. 115 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:25,130 So that Blue Box at the end appeared in in scores of articles chock a block full of good scientists talking about evidence. 116 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:33,350 So that's great. Then we had the first case, I think of onward transmission in a country outside of China. 117 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:37,430 Again, we go back to the experts and say, Give us a comment on this. Everyone's asking about it. 118 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:43,190 Let's get some reliable information out there. And again, this gets used in the media. 119 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:49,070 And then, of course, when we had our first two detected cases in England, 120 00:11:49,070 --> 00:11:54,050 that was that was a big one, and journalists were really keen to get expert comments. 121 00:11:54,050 --> 00:12:00,590 So again, we send we send out expert comments and they can use them as they wish and they get used in the media articles like this. 122 00:12:00,590 --> 00:12:08,990 So the idea is that we keep pumping out evidence based quotes from good experts to so as to not to leave a void in the media. 123 00:12:08,990 --> 00:12:16,280 So some journalists are left without any experts that can help them so that the public can hear from good experts. 124 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,740 Because this is such a big story, we kept doing briefings. 125 00:12:18,740 --> 00:12:24,650 We kept running these these press briefings with a sort of panel of experts who could answer all the questions that journalists might have. 126 00:12:24,650 --> 00:12:28,940 So this one we ran a couple of weeks after the first one again, 127 00:12:28,940 --> 00:12:39,620 a really big turnout from across different types of media outlets, lots of camera crews again and then and then again. 128 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:45,950 Another couple of weeks later, we ran a similar one. Crystal was on the panel for this one, and she was great, of course. 129 00:12:45,950 --> 00:12:51,890 So and again, we wanted to have someone who could address modelling and stops someone who could talk about clinical science, 130 00:12:51,890 --> 00:12:59,390 someone who's could talk about virology, somebody to talk about global health, etc. And that was another busy one. 131 00:12:59,390 --> 00:13:03,830 And there you can see a crystal front and centre on the panel there. 132 00:13:03,830 --> 00:13:07,550 And these are just some of the examples of articles that came out of that 133 00:13:07,550 --> 00:13:12,980 briefing or that were informed from information that was given at that briefing. 134 00:13:12,980 --> 00:13:15,710 So that is what a rapid reaction is. 135 00:13:15,710 --> 00:13:23,690 So it's written quotes that we send out from scientists to journalists, and they can use them, and it can be these sort of emergency press briefings. 136 00:13:23,690 --> 00:13:27,500 And these are just some examples of the other kinds of developments that we 137 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:32,060 have said typewritten comments in response to over the last five months or so. 138 00:13:32,060 --> 00:13:38,300 The kind of stats that come out daily from D.H or weekly from the Beyonce or the NHS Test and 139 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:44,090 Trace programme when the government announced something big or bring in policy like lockdown, 140 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:47,390 et cetera, stuff about face coverings two metres. 141 00:13:47,390 --> 00:13:52,940 Anything that's controversial and that there's a kind of either a perceived rather by or that there's confusion about schools. 142 00:13:52,940 --> 00:13:59,030 Should they close, should they open some of the treatments that are coming through now, including the finally, 143 00:13:59,030 --> 00:14:08,120 thankfully some good news with dexamethasone the other day, something like vaccines when sage kind of dump the the evidence online, 144 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:16,280 we get comments in response to that and also new new journal papers in preprints, which which of which there have been hundreds, 145 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,410 of course, because of all the new science, which is which is being done on this and this. 146 00:14:21,410 --> 00:14:30,590 I just thought I'd go through to illustrate one slightly unusual thing which we have now been doing for the last, I think, nine weeks. 147 00:14:30,590 --> 00:14:45,470 This was in the early days when the US first started publishing on Tuesdays their weekly their weekly stance on COVID 19 deaths in all settings. 148 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:51,020 And so there'd been a couple of weeks of this, and each week we had gathered these written comments that we sent out. 149 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:58,640 And then Carl Hennigan from Oxford said, Should we do something on this because you're getting lots called, 150 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,260 let's suppose we're all trying to control the journalists questions. Should we do a sort of online briefing? 151 00:15:03,260 --> 00:15:09,650 So we said, of course, that's a great idea. Let's let's do it. So every Tuesday, since since mid-April, 152 00:15:09,650 --> 00:15:17,030 we have got this excellent group of experts the David Spiegelhalter from Cambridge and Carl Henning, an adjacent bloke from Oxford. 153 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:24,200 And this is a sort of lunchtime briefing. So in the morning, when the stats come out, these scientists spend the morning analysing the stats, 154 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,760 putting together their own graphs, working out what they think the stats show. 155 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,590 And then 1:30 or 1:15, we do an online briefing via Zoom, 156 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:42,230 and these experts present their view of what the owner's data is showing and journalists get to ask their questions there. 157 00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:45,380 They've been well attended, and this is just one example. So this was the. 158 00:15:45,380 --> 00:15:51,110 One loads of coverage, of course, was happening anyway, because the onus had released the stats, 159 00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:56,870 but these were the kinds of headlines that were informed by what the scientist said in the briefing, including that they were talking about. 160 00:15:56,870 --> 00:16:04,220 It looks like the peak in hospitals. At least five deaths had happened in early April. 161 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:08,480 And that's just to show where some of the comments from the briefing were used. 162 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,670 And then the second week that we did this again, lots of journalists came along. 163 00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:26,280 Lots of articles informed by the comments they made in the briefing, including the sort of worry about deaths in care homes. 164 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:32,640 So that's just one example of the briefings that we've done, I think we've done over 40 briefings since January on this. 165 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,430 Obviously since lockdown, we've been doing them remotely on Zoom, which we're very sceptical about at first. 166 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:44,370 We like having press briefings in person, whereas scientists and journalists, you know, meet each other and see the lines of each other's eyes. 167 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:52,590 And great things happen when when that happens, but reluctantly have to admit that the Zoom briefings have worked well and have been popular. 168 00:16:52,590 --> 00:16:59,190 And we're really grateful that we're able to do them because we wouldn't have been able to do anything from the total without them. 169 00:16:59,190 --> 00:17:03,150 These are just some of the other examples of stories that we've done briefings on on COVID. 170 00:17:03,150 --> 00:17:08,790 So stuff about are are we going to have a second wave? How does testing work? 171 00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:15,810 What's the virus test? What's the antibody test? What about the app and contact tracing? 172 00:17:15,810 --> 00:17:20,610 What about children's susceptibility and transmission and disease severity? 173 00:17:20,610 --> 00:17:29,160 And should schools be open? We've run a couple actually with Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance as well when they can explain to the 174 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:35,250 science journalists rather than the political hacks who get who tend to attend the Downing Street briefings. 175 00:17:35,250 --> 00:17:39,750 What is SAGE? How does it work? How does evidence based policy work? 176 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:45,320 How does scientific evidence to government work? So those are just some of the examples. 177 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,300 So that is that's covert. 178 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:54,140 That is what we've been doing almost exclusively for the last five months that we have done similar things on other big stories, 179 00:17:54,140 --> 00:18:02,930 including swine flu and Ebola and Zika. Years ago, Novichok a couple of years ago now cases like Charlie Garden, Alfie Evans, 180 00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:11,840 when they were big in the news at Fukushima, as Crystal mentioned at the beginning, but none has been as big as it has been. 181 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,160 So I'll just spend a couple of minutes before we sort through questions 182 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:21,590 describing what we also do in kind of peacetime when we're not in the situation. 183 00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:25,700 So our main bread and butter really is what we call the roundup. 184 00:18:25,700 --> 00:18:29,870 And that's what we do when there's a new piece of science that's coming out again in normal times. 185 00:18:29,870 --> 00:18:33,320 This happens through peer reviewed journal publication, of course. 186 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:40,190 So normally we thought there's an embargo period, which means the journal or a university will send out a press release to journalists. 187 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:44,060 And then there and then that information is under embargo for 24 hours. 188 00:18:44,060 --> 00:18:50,270 For example, that embargo period gives the journalists time to do whatever research they need to do. 189 00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:55,550 Speak to some other experts. Put their act together before everyone publishes it at the same time. 190 00:18:55,550 --> 00:19:01,580 And actually, most stories that you read in the news in normal times come come from this. 191 00:19:01,580 --> 00:19:06,710 So they will come from the press release, from a journal or from a university or a research college or something like that. 192 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:13,670 And the science and health journals will usually write five to 10 stories today, even even when it's not COVID times. 193 00:19:13,670 --> 00:19:16,070 So we get the press releases from these journals. 194 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:22,130 We try and identify stories that are remnants of the kind of controversial topics I was talking about earlier, 195 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:27,980 or if we see a story that we think that's going to get media coverage and it might be misinterpreted or that could be scary, 196 00:19:27,980 --> 00:19:35,060 we should find out from scientists if if it's warranted, that it's scary or if they can help put it into context. 197 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:43,460 So I've just picked a random one from a few years ago. This was a paper in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine about e-cigarettes and smoking cessation. 198 00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:48,650 E-cigs obviously have been hugely controversial, so that takes the box of an assembly topic. 199 00:19:48,650 --> 00:19:53,660 This press release was saying e-cigarettes aren't helping smokers quit. 200 00:19:53,660 --> 00:20:00,770 We knew that was controversial. We knew from chats with scientists that that perhaps wasn't what all the evidence was showing. 201 00:20:00,770 --> 00:20:03,080 So we got in touch with experts and said, Please, 202 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:08,420 can you read this paper and send us a written comment that we can send out to journalists to help them with their reporting? 203 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:14,540 So these are the kinds of things that we send out to read is just my highlighting to pick out some studies to mention to you. 204 00:20:14,540 --> 00:20:20,350 So here's an expert saying I think it's a failure of the peer review system that this has been published at all. 205 00:20:20,350 --> 00:20:26,170 You know someone else saying that the conclusions are at best tentative and at worst incorrect, 206 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:31,340 and that it was a some sort of systematic review and that the observational studies 207 00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:37,130 that were looked up in this review were not very good themselves and other 208 00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:42,200 people saying that this is really misleading and not not the conclusions weren't 209 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,590 backed up by the evidence and the science is there on McNeil at the bottom, 210 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:51,680 who she'd actually authored some of the studies that this review looks at and just pointing out they haven't, 211 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,670 they haven't interpreted our results correctly. So very strong quotes. 212 00:20:55,670 --> 00:20:59,660 That's absolutely fine with us. We want scientists to be honest and frank. 213 00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:08,360 We send these to journalists and this has been widely press release and there was only three articles in the U.K. media and in this guardian one, 214 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:14,000 the word contested is in the headline, and that's from the comments that we sent out. 215 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,900 Also in the mail, they covered it, but again, they use the quotes that we send. 216 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:21,500 So adding that context and as did the Sun. 217 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:31,400 So if you read any of these pieces to the bottom, you would know that U.K. scientists didn't agree with this and they thought it wasn't accurate. 218 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:38,030 And this was a nice comment that we had from one of the journalists on our list who said, thanks to the scientists who commented on this, 219 00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:40,970 I'm not going to cover it or I'm not going to cover it as prominently as I was going 220 00:21:40,970 --> 00:21:45,110 to because I realised that the scientific community doesn't think that it stacks up. 221 00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:51,140 So that's good for us. That's we for us because we care about accurate coverage. 222 00:21:51,140 --> 00:21:55,850 If it would be misleading for something to get lots of coverage, then no coverage is obviously. 223 00:21:55,850 --> 00:22:00,620 Is this just a quick word? Another thing which is called before the headlines, 224 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:07,580 this was this is something that we decided to do on some of the more stats heavy papers that we're getting round of quotes on, 225 00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:13,610 which is when we ask a bank and volunteer statisticians to give a quick, a quick, 226 00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:18,050 quick and dirty stats analysis of the paper and whether it stacks up again. 227 00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:20,390 I'm not expecting to read this. This is just to show you what it looks like, 228 00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:26,840 so it's kind of a format they have to answer specific questions like are the claims supported by the data? 229 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,730 Do the stocks, the stats stack up? What are the strengths and limitations? 230 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:35,180 So for example, whoever put this one together says strength, 231 00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:41,210 it was large limitation that no correction was made for carrying out three different significance tests. 232 00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:44,450 So these aren't really designed to be quoted by journalists. But. 233 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:56,360 Hopefully, a helpful quick digest of whether the study has been done well and whether its stats are kind of methodologically sound. 234 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:05,120 I would think for time. So very quickly, I'll just show a couple of non-COVID briefings just to illustrate what we do normally. 235 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:10,100 So two main types of briefings a news briefing when scientists are publishing data, 236 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:15,110 a new general paper or a background briefing, which is the sort of evidence check on a hot topic. 237 00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:22,280 The reasons for doing these is that scientists get to talk on their own terms, present their work to journalists in their own words. 238 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,960 And journalists get to come and get a story and ask questions of scientists. 239 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:33,470 We do these again, particularly on the kind of controversial topics when briefings can be really good at kind of nipping in the bud, 240 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:42,170 any misconceptions and heading off at the pass, any kind of misinterpretations or inaccuracies that might otherwise be in the media articles. 241 00:23:42,170 --> 00:23:47,930 So this was a paper in nature with data from Kathy Neo-Con Crick, 242 00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:57,000 who had done the first experiments using genome editing in human embryos, so she was presenting her sheet. 243 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:03,920 You have this paper coming out and of course, with with genome editing, we've heard about the slippery slope to designer babies, 244 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,800 and she was concerned that people would get the wrong idea about what she was actually doing and why she why she wanted to do it. 245 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,420 So we said we'll come and speak to journalists and tell them, tell them what it is that you're doing. 246 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:18,350 So we did, and lots of journalists came along and these were the kind of headlines that resulted. 247 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:25,880 So gene that could stop IVF from failing is find similarly in the Guardian and the Telegraph master 248 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:32,210 gene to create a successful pregnancy discovered in the Mirror as well and the times of the Sun. 249 00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:40,970 So no sign of designer babies in the headlines and on the articles were full of really science information and really accurate. 250 00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:49,970 So that just shows again the benefit of scientists proactively engaging with the media to help them report things accurately from the off. 251 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:57,080 And then finally, a background briefing is if we see a topic that's kind of covered chronically in the media and we think, 252 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:03,290 Oh, I wonder if that's accurate. So we saw lots of articles about the dangers of screen time, particularly for young children. 253 00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:06,770 So we got in touch with experts and said, Is that right? Is that accurate? 254 00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:10,340 Are you happy with that? And several of them said, No, it's not that simple. 255 00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:11,740 Have the evidence, just isn't there. 256 00:25:11,740 --> 00:25:17,930 And so we again said, Right, come in to see the journals and talk to them about what we what we do and we don't know from the evidence. 257 00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:20,150 So that's what we did. And these were the kind of headline. 258 00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:26,210 Again, these briefings aren't designed to generate coverage, but rather to try and inform the journalists. 259 00:25:26,210 --> 00:25:29,820 So the next time they're probing the topic, they have a kind of better grounding in it. 260 00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:34,190 But it's all on record. So if they if the briefings do generate coverage, that's fine with us. 261 00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:39,890 So with that, one of these was some of the headlines we had. So screen time harmed children is unproven. 262 00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:44,210 WTO gaming disorder is moral panic. Is screen time actually bad for you? 263 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:49,040 Probably not. So that's just an example of what we do in peacetime. 264 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:54,530 These are just some headlines to remind me to emphasise that we don't just do COVID, although we do at the moment, 265 00:25:54,530 --> 00:26:01,700 but we do anything that's controversial, messy, politicised, the kind of big science stories of the day. 266 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:07,470 So we don't do. We don't tend to work on much good news or kind of things like SpaceX and dinosaurs and that kind of thing. 267 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:10,850 Not that they're not interesting, but lots of other organisations work on them. 268 00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:18,830 So we are here, particularly for the difficult, contested issues to which I think arguably is when we need to hear from scientists the most, 269 00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:25,610 when the public need to know what the evidence is and isn't. And and we also do do some slightly other things. 270 00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:27,710 So every once a year, 271 00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:36,290 we arrange for a statistician to come in and spend a couple of hours with the journalists to try to help them get to grips with the science. 272 00:26:36,290 --> 00:26:39,830 And we were amazed when we first started doing this about how well-attended they are. 273 00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:45,380 And I think again, that just goes to show how much the science and health journalists really care about this. 274 00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:49,190 Really want to understand science and science, really want to report it well. 275 00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:55,160 So we've got we had David Spiegelhalter the last time we've had Kevin McCormick from the university before. 276 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,950 And this is just to show us that that's a roomful of journalists giving up two hours of their day not to get a story. 277 00:27:00,950 --> 00:27:04,830 They're not going to get story about, but to learn about stats and to ask all their questions about stuff. 278 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:11,170 So I think that's again, just to champion the the specialist journalists that they do try and report things well. 279 00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:14,630 And those are just some stats on what we've done on COVID. 280 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:21,800 Ignore the June bar that date night, but just to show that our our workload has increased massively. 281 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,750 That's not because we don't care about our workload, but that's to show that the appetite in the media. 282 00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:32,010 I don't need to tell you you'll you'll see this on the TV. You know that this is everywhere. 283 00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:36,560 So normally we do about 300 round up. 284 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,030 So those are the quotes on new papers a year and about 60 or 70 briefings a year. 285 00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:44,260 But we can own the journey of it with the help of scientists and. 286 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:47,290 Next for us, and that's why we love our database of scientists so much, 287 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:51,640 and if any of you are interested in getting involved, then that would be great. 288 00:27:51,640 --> 00:28:02,048 So please do get in touch with me and we'd be very happy to to to help, to help you speak to journalists as well.