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So, welcome,

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everybody to this,
which is the third meeting of our seminar.

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The Padmasambhava, Uḍḍiyāna and Tibet

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Seminar.

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We apply interdisciplinary approaches
to the Padmasambhava

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in history
and myths and in ritual

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and additional focuses
of the regions of Kashmir, Woody and Tibet

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and the mutual religious, intellectual,
cultural, economic

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and political interactions
through the tantric era

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and I'm very excited today to be able

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to introduce Paul Thomas,

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who will be speaking on tripartite

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lineages and cremation ground revelations,
crossovers between early

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doctrine and coalescing ism.

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This is very central
to the theme of our seminar.

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And, it's a subject which has really been
crying out to be studied for decades.

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And it's wonderful
that Paul has now begun on this.

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Paul Thomas,

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PhD, is an associate translator at 84,000,

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a project to translate the entire Tibetan
Buddhist canon into English

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as part of the project, he's currently
working on a translation into English,

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the main Indian cultural commentary,
The Women of Prabha.

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He recently completed his PhD
at the University of California, Berkeley,

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and his thesis explores the intersections
among the collar chakra, tantric

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chauvinism and doctrine in India and Tibet
during the 10th to the 13th centuries.

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So, Paul, thank you very much
for taking time to speak to us.

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And, over to you.

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Yes. Thank you.

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For the invitation.

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It's really an honor. And I'm

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very glad that, 
people are interested in this topic.

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And, thank you, everyone, for coming.

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I should,

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apologize in advance in case there's
some problem with the internet connection

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here.

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I'm in Kathmandu, and so sometimes there
may be some problem, but it should be.

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Okay.

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So yes, to

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I get this, my slides in order.

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So, yeah, the topic,

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of the targets, the tripartite lineage
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tribal traditions
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particularly the so changing to,

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tradition of Tibetan Buddhism.

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PhD dissertation, I discussed several, 
parallels, and I'd only this parallel that

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we'll discuss now, but, several parallels
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that, in my view, point
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to the latter, from tantric chauvinism.

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that occurred in the 10th
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And the focus, for this influence
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Junction is, much more elaborate
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one of the doctrinal parallels
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which consists of a particular
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of certain Shaver Catholic traditions
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and into which the lineage of that.

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So changing take was organized
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in addition to the other parallel
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is that it is very specific
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found in any other religious tradition
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proof of an influence, direct influence,
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from shape ism to education
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as an additional part of this parallel,
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another parallel,

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which is between one of the shaver,
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the, between the Crum,

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Shaver tradition and the junction.

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with the setting
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from a show of ism and its origin
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of the doctrine and practice
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where the transmitting teacher
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in the case of its opening to.

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about what these traditions are,
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traditions that have this doctrine, teach
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but, on the other hand, it's,
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to the tantric tradition
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the time frame for the development of two
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systems that, we're going to talk about,

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the crumb, cult of Kali,

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the goddess Kali, and the post
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which is centered
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with this
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the goddess Tripura Sundari.

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And that is a little bit later
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It developed probably in the 11th,
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today, widely practiced today
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tradition in India and elsewhere.

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the geographical spread
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both the trauma and the pressure,

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there were current from early on
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of the middle of India. And,

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the this we know
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and from their texts that they originated,
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in the western Deccan, and the ashram
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those same two traditions, the Croma
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from at least the 10th century,
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was not so popular there, as opposed
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very popular in Kashmir at this time
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that there's some evidence for it
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subsequently down to the present day,
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little hints of these traditions here
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traditions, and for the locations
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present is not so meaningful.

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these times, as many of you know,
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Georgian tradition that was already going
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for a general description
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between these systems,
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kind of energies and enlightened beings
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really not relatable
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this first segment of the lineage
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consists entirely of the otherworldly,
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that go through a kind of gradation,
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consists of a set of teachers,

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for in the past from nine and 12
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systems, the term that is used
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each of these three segments
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they use is, dupa 
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triggered by the transmission
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who are being, 
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the reason they get the transmission
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meaning that it's passed through the ear,
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general description of this scheme
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Now, we'll go through
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scheme is taught in its early texts.

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I've had written up
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there should
I need to color and adhere to and so on.

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to 12th centuries,

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however, in the earliest texts
of the Persian Empire,

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from the eighth or ninth century,
there seems to be no clear doctrine

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of the three lineage segments in the form
into which later became crystallized,

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partially crystallized in the later,
approach from the texts and fully,

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crystallized in the tri production.

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In this early texts,
for example, in the subject

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matter Tantra in 3500 verses,

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the divine order, which is otherwise
the name of the first segment in showbiz,

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and it seems to represent
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and is not really, conceptualized.

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It doesn't seem to be conceptualized
as a part of any lineage scheme.

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then when we move to the other later
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that the lineage,
scheme starts to take form.

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So, in these other texts, the Divine
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consists of 18 levels of awakened energy,

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that begins with,

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the kind of mode of awakened

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energy
called the trans mental or lunar mana.

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And then this,
these 18 levels of awakened energy,

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then, bridged into the four narratives

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or Lords, we can translate, who,

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appear in each of the four ages,
the four Yuga.

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So there's one not, for each of the four,
you get the,

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set to you
the or crypto you get as the first

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and then the trade that you get to after
you get and the color you get, the final

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color you get, which is,

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where we are now, according to the,

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to this, tradition.

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that is the makeup of the divine current,
the desire

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that is 18 levels of awakened energy,
and then the four natures

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that appear in the four ages,
and then the, of,

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our color age,
the less the final of the four ages,

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the not of our color age
then transmits the question,

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the teachings to his disciples
who are called the nine.

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And that is,

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and, the nine
others, in turn, have their own disciples

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who are called the 16 sisters.

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So it is, it is this,

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set of figures, the nine narratives
and 16 sisters that make up the second

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segment of the lineage in the batch
from the, the current of sisters.

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And this,

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said, this segment of the lineage is,

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sometimes referred to in the early texts,

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also as the threshold,
or the current of men.

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And,

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also the 16 said those
who are the kind of latter

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part of this second segment,
sometimes they are,

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described as having their own disciples,
several hundred disciples, 250 something.

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I forget the precise number.

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But on the other hand,
I haven't seen any reference

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in any text from their text to the third, 
lineage segment as such,

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you know, being called the man of
God to her human current and so on.

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Although, Margaret

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George Kosky,
in his translation of the Montana Bay,

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wrote to Carmichael
and, he's states in that, huge,

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in that huge work, that,

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the first I had does
teach the current of humans the matter of.

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Okay.

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And the basically in the same form
as it's taught in the, tri production.

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But I myself couldn't see it.

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Didn't find any reference any, you know,

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clear reference to it.

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So in the therefore, in the picture,

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now we have two of the three currents
present, at least the first divine

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current,
consisting of 18 awakened energies

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and the four natus,

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and then the second current

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of sisters,
which consists of the, set of disciples

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and grand disciples
of the night of the Kali age.

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it's unclear, to me at this point
whether the,

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human current is taught there
in the in the form is such.

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And so now for the

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three currents in the tri production.

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This,

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in the, hyper direction,

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the doctrine has become very consistent

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and crystallized
into a very consistent form.

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And it's found in three text
that I have seen so far,

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which, unlike the texts of the posthuman,

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where this doctrine is taught there,

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attributed to humans,
they're authored by humans, they're,

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human authored treatises,
whereas the position on their texts are,

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divinely authored scriptures.

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And also the texts,

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that we find this doctrine
in the tribulation

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that are somewhat later,
generally on average, maybe a century

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later, that the mushroom Day attacks.

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So it makes sense in a way
that the doctrine has become crystallized,

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more consistent.

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So these texts in, of the tribulation
are,

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two commentaries on

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the need to show
that you can't have a tantra,

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one commentary called the of Martini

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by Shiva and, and, and the written
in the middle of the 13th century,

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another

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commentary on the same tantra
called the Art of written, I believe, by,

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Vidya Ananda, also
in the mid 13th century and then there's

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a kind of standalone treatise that's not,
commenting on any texts called this.

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So I guess you don't hear of, return.

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And, from the 14th century
middle of the 14th century.

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So in these, texts, the doctrine

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of the tripartite lineage scheme is,

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quite consistent.

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It's almost identical in all three texts.

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So in here,

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the first members of the first segment

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of the Divine Current

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are, Supreme Shiva, Parama Shiva, her

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who is characterized as highest bliss,

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paramount and election.

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And he has the form of great radiance.

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Maha Pasha rupa.

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And, so

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there is this, form of divine
consciousness, of Shiva consciousness.

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And he is also inseparable
with his Shakti,

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which is referred to sometimes
who is referred to as commercially.

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So these two,

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figures or energies

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and then really are the teachers
of the first age in this,

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in this version of the doctrine,

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the first two krishi Yuga,

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and then following them in the Divine

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Current here,
are the three natures of the latter

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three ages, you know, when,
not for each of the latter three ages.

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And in one version of the doctrine
that's taught in the rigid view.

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Marsh and Eve by Shiva Nanda,

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the sage Agastya and his consort by mudra

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are also included in the divine
current there.

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So they are the disciples of the,
not of the Kali Yuga,

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of the, not of our Kali age,

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and and Shiva and this text,
they are included in the Divine current,

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whereas in the other two texts
they're shifted into the current of Sid.

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This as the first two members
of the current of Sid.

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This.

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So otherwise,

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when we get to the current of Sid, as

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aside from that discrepancy, the other,

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members of the current cities are shared
between all three texts

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and those other members
of the current of cities.

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Conqueror, Tabitha, Dharma, Chara, Mukta,

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Yoni, and Deepak are Sharia,

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and the second and fourth
of these four figures Dharma, Sharia,

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and Deepika Sharia are identified

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as authors of tribal reduction attacks.

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Within these treatises,

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this described that,
you know, it's stated that

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dharma
Sharia is the author of the Laguna de

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and the Deepika
Sharia is the author of the done the cat.

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And, yeah.

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So then when we move to

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the third segment in the tribal edition,

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called The Current of Humans
or minor vocab,

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it consists of what are all,
by all accounts, historical figures,

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the members of the lineage following
the last member of the current of Cedars

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and ending explicitly

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with the authors themselves in the case
of Shiva Nanda and Amazon Ananda.

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So, in both Shiva and a maternal sex,
they say, the final member

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of the current of humans, Shiva Nanda and

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and then the, the the authors themselves.

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So here, if we compare this, version
of the doctrine

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with that of the Persian Empire
in the Persian, that the divine current,

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consisted of 18,

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kind of enlightened energies
that bridge into the four.

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And that is that
if you're in the four ages

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and here these have been replaced by, 
first of all, Supreme

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Shiva and Shakti in the form of the divine
light of consciousness.

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And it's dynamic energy

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and the three narratives of the latter
three ages.

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So it's been condensed into in a way.

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And then sometimes August in Lodi mudra.

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The next members of the current,
the Divine Current.

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And whereas in the past

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from the current of Cedars
consisted of nine,

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the nine others in 16
cities here in the tribal rotation,

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those, figures have been replaced

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by August, a little by mudra.

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And those four other figures.

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And, the third segment,
the current of humans, as I mentioned, I,

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could not find any reference
to that in the past.

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Remini attacks.

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But in the the, preparation, it
consists of historical figures

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ending with the gurus of contemporary
times

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and, Shiva Nanda in the retrieved March,

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he describes the current of humans
in the following way.

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He says, although the current of humans
has no final member.

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In other words, it's open ended.

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When the latest member then transmits the,

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teachings to somebody else, that
new person gets added on to the lineage.

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Although the current of

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humans has no final member here,
it consists of eight great gurus

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ending with the author
of the origin of emotion eight

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that is to say,
ending with Shiva number himself.

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So when we get to

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the Crum, it's a little bit
the doctrine is, a kind of an outlier

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when compared to the those other two,
kala system.

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It varies, somewhat from them.

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The, Kremlin lineage.

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That's for the criminal lineage
in general.

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At least one
important version of the common lineage.

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One important tradition of Prema lineage

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begins with the yogini Mangala.

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It's basically a goddess

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in the Chavira cremation ground in Oceana.

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And, so this yogini or goddess

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Mangala, is staying in the cremation
ground in Oregon, actually transmits

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the cremate teachings there
in that cremation

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ground to a Kashmiri man
who's named the Gannon Mitra,

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who was,

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active in the latter
part of the ninth century

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and got an archer,
then passed the teachings on to another,

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female, Master Kane Revathi

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and care about the
the the multiverse or not.

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Then from there to chuck her behind
new and shiny

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and proposed
and nada and onwards down through

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another open ended

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lineage.

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So beginning with, again, a netra.

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All of those figures are Kashmiri. Is.

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And the

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the old Kashmiri and behind there Prakash
and his commentary of what,

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are the texts that describe
this threefold lineage doctrine,

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and they

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the old Kashmiri
Mohan Prakash, it assigns,

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these figures that I've just listed

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to the current of status
and to the current of humans.

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So it doesn't talk really about a divine
current as the first current.

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And as for their text,

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the Mohana Prakash, 
the root text, was composed in Kashmir,

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probably in the 11th or 12th century,
and is commentary,

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of course, was composed, subsequently,
but it's not clear

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when.

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When these texts
refer to the yogini Mangala

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in the kavya cremation ground
as constituting the current of centers.

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This in the hoga

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and they,

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describe the three figures
following her gana network here

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and hers
were not as the current of humans.

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The manifold that.

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And In one of his articles,
Alexis Sanderson states

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that the current of disciples

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the show, as he

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stated, 
the such yoga current of disciples

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consists of the rest of the lineage
following them down to contemporary times,

494
00:31:38,875 --> 00:31:40,500
although he does not give a reference

495
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,833
for this definition,
so I am not totally clear about it.

496
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:49,333
But he does centers and does, state that

497
00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:52,666
there's this three fold lineage scheme
in the chromo consisting of the city.

498
00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:56,708
However, the mine I've opened the show
that it's kind of been, shifted downwards

499
00:31:57,083 --> 00:32:00,083
by one.

500
00:32:02,291 --> 00:32:04,916
So we can see there's a variation.

501
00:32:04,916 --> 00:32:08,458
There's some variation here,
from the doctrine, as it's taught

502
00:32:08,458 --> 00:32:11,583
in the testimony and the production of,
first of all, there's

503
00:32:11,583 --> 00:32:15,541
no explicit description
of the first divine current of yoga.

504
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:19,250
And also the current of cities
here in the crema

505
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:22,250
seems to be constituted
by a single figure.

506
00:32:22,416 --> 00:32:24,208
That if you're going to Mangala,

507
00:32:25,375 --> 00:32:27,125
whereas in the other two systems

508
00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:30,125
it consists of several members.

509
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:32,750
And although,

510
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:37,083
there doesn't seem to be much,
there's doesn't seem to be

511
00:32:37,083 --> 00:32:40,916
any clear statement
or description of a divine current.

512
00:32:41,208 --> 00:32:46,041
As such, the six the stage of the chromo

513
00:32:46,041 --> 00:32:50,166
worship, is termed
the divine current day of yoga.

514
00:32:50,166 --> 00:32:52,708
It's given exactly that name.

515
00:32:52,708 --> 00:32:57,041
And furthermore,
that, stage of karma worship,

516
00:32:57,291 --> 00:33:00,291
consists of the

517
00:33:01,208 --> 00:33:04,291
mangala, the yogini mandala, and her 64,

518
00:33:04,666 --> 00:33:07,833
female sisters or yogini is a series,

519
00:33:08,416 --> 00:33:11,458
they have different,
epithets given to them,

520
00:33:11,875 --> 00:33:15,791
different names given to them in the,
Revere cremation ground.

521
00:33:15,875 --> 00:33:18,083
So in a sense, that

522
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:20,666
is that divine current

523
00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:25,041
is somehow
also parallel, to the divine current

524
00:33:25,041 --> 00:33:29,000
and the other doctrines
is taking place at the, the kind of

525
00:33:30,208 --> 00:33:31,583
at a,

526
00:33:31,583 --> 00:33:34,583
prior stage of the transmission,

527
00:33:35,041 --> 00:33:38,791
this kind of primordial, sacrifice
in the current year

528
00:33:38,791 --> 00:33:41,791
cremation, cremation
ground involving bungalow.

529
00:33:43,708 --> 00:33:44,791
And,

530
00:33:44,791 --> 00:33:48,083
there's also other kind of hints
about this threefold

531
00:33:48,541 --> 00:33:52,750
lineage scheme in the Crum,
in that, Ernest Singh,

532
00:33:53,458 --> 00:33:56,666
who, a from a

533
00:33:57,083 --> 00:34:00,083
a teller
from a Shiva who wrote in the latter

534
00:34:00,083 --> 00:34:03,541
part of the 11th century,
he divides up the Cranmer lineage

535
00:34:03,541 --> 00:34:06,750
into three stages using that same word.

536
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:07,458
Cranmer.

537
00:34:07,458 --> 00:34:11,166
Just coincidentally, the,

538
00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:14,875
divine stage
set the stage and the human stage,

539
00:34:15,416 --> 00:34:19,833
the, yoga toga and the Manoogian toga.

540
00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:24,750
So it's there and, the full form
is there in some way,

541
00:34:25,583 --> 00:34:28,583
even though in the minor application it's,

542
00:34:30,333 --> 00:34:36,083
it varies 
more from the other two systems.

543
00:34:38,833 --> 00:34:40,208
So now,

544
00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:45,083
to move to this doctrine is it's,
it's taught in the to,

545
00:34:45,791 --> 00:34:49,333
the first, fully fleshed out form,

546
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:52,500
that is described in detail,

547
00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:56,541
of this doctrine in association
India is taught in the 19th.

548
00:34:56,541 --> 00:34:59,541
You, Lord, you assemble
the great history of the mnemonic,

549
00:35:00,208 --> 00:35:03,208
which is probably written in the,
12th century.

550
00:35:07,041 --> 00:35:10,041
So here,

551
00:35:10,041 --> 00:35:13,166
in the log,
you chamber of the great history of,

552
00:35:13,583 --> 00:35:18,500
the 19th,
the first segment of the lineage is called

553
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:22,083
the transmission of the realization
of the victorious ones or Buddhas.

554
00:35:22,708 --> 00:35:25,333
The gateway gong, you.

555
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:30,416
And it consists of transmissions
carried out by the three choirs,

556
00:35:30,416 --> 00:35:33,583
the three aspects of, awakening.

557
00:35:34,583 --> 00:35:37,875
The first of all the Dharma chaos

558
00:35:37,875 --> 00:35:42,083
and under budget, who teaches his retinue
of innumerable Buddhas.

559
00:35:43,208 --> 00:35:46,375
The reality of the unconditioned vajra

560
00:35:46,916 --> 00:35:49,625
within the setting of the pure dharma,

561
00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:52,625
or the pure nature of reality,

562
00:35:53,583 --> 00:35:57,458
and then it moves on from the Dharma
to this symbolic

563
00:35:58,166 --> 00:36:01,000
aspect of awakening,
which is here a form of Varo

564
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
trying to call the number nine
the conjunto.

565
00:36:05,708 --> 00:36:07,666
And, number 90 ganda.

566
00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:11,625
So he transmits the,

567
00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:15,375
awakened reality
to his retinue of innumerable

568
00:36:15,375 --> 00:36:18,625
the innumerable Buddhas of the five clans,

569
00:36:18,625 --> 00:36:21,625
the five Buddha clans.

570
00:36:21,875 --> 00:36:26,166
And then, this third kind of layer

571
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:30,625
of this first segment of the lineage,
this otherworldly seven lineage, is the,

572
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,125
Nirmala teaching,
which is divided into two.

573
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,291
There's the actual
teaching of the mnemonic via the temple,

574
00:36:41,083 --> 00:36:44,750
and on the one hand,
and then the second, is the,

575
00:36:44,875 --> 00:36:49,916
simulacrum
teaching of the mnemonic Gangi temple.

576
00:36:52,083 --> 00:36:54,458
So the actual teaching of the mnemonic

577
00:36:54,458 --> 00:36:57,458
consists of three magical objects,

578
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,375
the, magical Buddha

579
00:37:01,375 --> 00:37:04,416
image, the magical text,
and the magical vajra,

580
00:37:04,416 --> 00:37:08,166
which kind of,
just radiate enlightened energy.

581
00:37:08,166 --> 00:37:11,166
And, you know, in the,

582
00:37:11,541 --> 00:37:14,541
in the kind of otherworldly fashion

583
00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:18,916
that's the actual teaching of the,
the romantic and the simulacrum teaching

584
00:37:18,916 --> 00:37:23,291
of the mnemonic, is, delivered by

585
00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:26,666
12 emanations of Vajra Dara, who,

586
00:37:27,416 --> 00:37:30,791
appear over the course of 12
degenerating ages.

587
00:37:30,791 --> 00:37:34,708
One, the each one appears in one of these

588
00:37:34,708 --> 00:37:37,708
12 generating ages.

589
00:37:39,208 --> 00:37:39,375
Yeah.

590
00:37:39,375 --> 00:37:42,833
So that is the, first segment

591
00:37:43,125 --> 00:37:46,583
in the, associating the consisting

592
00:37:46,583 --> 00:37:49,583
Dhammakaya symbol and the amount of cat.

593
00:37:49,625 --> 00:37:51,625
And now in the second,

594
00:37:51,625 --> 00:37:55,708
the second segment is called
the transmission of the symbols of the,

595
00:37:55,791 --> 00:38:01,208
the others or, awaken
masters reason they give birth.

596
00:38:03,041 --> 00:38:05,083
And this consists of four

597
00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:09,375
Indian masters and one Chinese
master, Georgie Manjusri Mitra.

598
00:38:09,375 --> 00:38:11,583
She's again a sutra.

599
00:38:11,583 --> 00:38:14,541
And, Vimal Mitra.

600
00:38:14,541 --> 00:38:16,583
And the transmission of this transmission
takes

601
00:38:16,583 --> 00:38:19,583
place in India and China.

602
00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:23,666
Going from one to the next.

603
00:38:24,208 --> 00:38:27,208
And the final,

604
00:38:28,041 --> 00:38:29,625
segment is,

605
00:38:29,625 --> 00:38:32,833
in the ocean is called the oral
transmission of human individuals.

606
00:38:32,833 --> 00:38:35,083
Ganga, Yang you.

607
00:38:35,083 --> 00:38:38,083
And this is transmitted
by Vimal and Mitra.

608
00:38:38,208 --> 00:38:43,083
It's, received by, the Emperor
Jason Davidson and his associates,

609
00:38:43,083 --> 00:38:46,666
the translators, Celtic and probably

610
00:38:46,666 --> 00:38:49,666
Galton and, young Yankton example.

611
00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:54,458
They, receive this, transmissions
from the millimeter in Tibet.

612
00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:59,208
And then it's passed on through
all of the, subsequent masters

613
00:38:59,541 --> 00:39:03,291
who then, form this,
last segment down to the present day,

614
00:39:03,958 --> 00:39:08,583
present day masters of Dogen would be the
present day representatives.

615
00:39:11,291 --> 00:39:13,500
So to get into the parallels,

616
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,250
and, their significance,

617
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:23,250
there is, a closer parallel,

618
00:39:23,458 --> 00:39:28,375
the closest parallels between the name
tick doctrine and the Pastamania doctrine.

619
00:39:29,458 --> 00:39:34,458
So we may recall that the Divine Current,

620
00:39:35,208 --> 00:39:38,208
the first segment of the and lineage

621
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:43,250
consists of 18 successively
grosser levels of enlightened energy,

622
00:39:43,875 --> 00:39:46,333
which would then bridge
into the four natives

623
00:39:46,333 --> 00:39:51,375
who propagate the teachings in the
in the four successively generating ages,

624
00:39:52,791 --> 00:39:55,458
one for each age,

625
00:39:55,458 --> 00:39:57,833
and similarly in the transmission

626
00:39:57,833 --> 00:40:00,875
of the realization
of the victorious ones in the Niantic

627
00:40:01,791 --> 00:40:07,375
the first section of that consists
of the successively grosser

628
00:40:07,375 --> 00:40:11,791
levels of awakened energy of the Dharma
chaos attire, and the mnemonic chaos.

629
00:40:12,833 --> 00:40:15,791
And then that segment culminates

630
00:40:15,791 --> 00:40:19,750
in the simulacrum
teaching of the inner man, a.k.a., which

631
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:24,291
also consists of a set of teachers
each appearing in a degenerating age.

632
00:40:24,291 --> 00:40:26,083
In this case, it's 12, and not for,

633
00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:30,416
but the the idea is basically the same.

634
00:40:30,416 --> 00:40:34,500
And the description of for the,
the generation that takes place

635
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,250
in those 12 ages is more or less,
you know,

636
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:43,000
how it's described in the classical Indian
for you guys.

637
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Right?

638
00:40:46,791 --> 00:40:48,500
So, yeah.

639
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:49,708
So there's this close parallels there.

640
00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:54,083
And then, likewise
in the second segment in the Niantic,

641
00:40:54,083 --> 00:40:57,083
the transmission of the symbols of the,
the gatherers

642
00:40:57,833 --> 00:41:01,166
and, 
as it's described in The Great History,

643
00:41:02,083 --> 00:41:07,333
it consists of a circumscribed
set of quasi historical figures,

644
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,500
the figures that I listed,

645
00:41:12,958 --> 00:41:15,000
and similarly, in the past

646
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000
and the current of Sid,
there's the second segment there

647
00:41:18,083 --> 00:41:23,250
and also in the tribal tradition
that, the current of citizen, those two

648
00:41:23,458 --> 00:41:28,125
systems consist of circumscribed
sets of quasi historical figures.

649
00:41:31,291 --> 00:41:32,125
But here in the

650
00:41:32,125 --> 00:41:35,750
second segment as well,
there's, is seen as a closer parallel

651
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:39,166
between the mushroom diet doctrine
and the torsion doctrine.

652
00:41:40,458 --> 00:41:46,583
In the,

653
00:41:48,541 --> 00:41:52,041
In, the descriptions in the accounts

654
00:41:52,041 --> 00:41:56,583
of the members
of the current of citizens in the ashram.

655
00:41:56,583 --> 00:41:57,583
Now, on the one hand,

656
00:41:57,583 --> 00:42:02,375
and then not as in the 16 sisters
and the per person on the on the one hand.

657
00:42:02,375 --> 00:42:06,583
And of those five figures,
the five visitors in the Niantic

658
00:42:07,458 --> 00:42:10,250
in, both of those accounts,

659
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:15,250
these figures are given, hagiography,
that feature miraculous

660
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:18,250
deeds, superhuman long lifespans,

661
00:42:18,333 --> 00:42:21,333
and also more mundane details,

662
00:42:21,666 --> 00:42:23,583
in both the partially on the text

663
00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:26,583
and in the, great history of the take.

664
00:42:26,833 --> 00:42:31,333
Their parents are identified
and their caste and so on.

665
00:42:34,041 --> 00:42:37,041
So that's quite remarkable.

666
00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:41,375
And then, of course,
for the final segment,

667
00:42:41,375 --> 00:42:47,500
the oral transmission of human
individuals, in the, in the 19th

668
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:50,833
and the, the third current of humans
in the tribal version, in both cases,

669
00:42:50,833 --> 00:42:55,458
which consists of an open
ended, list of lineage figures

670
00:42:56,625 --> 00:42:58,458
down to contemporary times.

671
00:42:58,458 --> 00:42:59,458
Yeah.

672
00:42:59,458 --> 00:43:02,625
So, yeah, those parallels are quite,

673
00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:06,166
it's quite striking. So.

674
00:43:08,583 --> 00:43:10,250
So, that's

675
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:14,416
all for that's, that,

676
00:43:14,541 --> 00:43:18,250
parallel of the threefold lineage scheme,

677
00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:21,625
in general.

678
00:43:21,625 --> 00:43:24,916
And but to add a final point to it,
which connects it

679
00:43:24,916 --> 00:43:29,583
to the theme of this series
having to do with, Oda and

680
00:43:30,666 --> 00:43:31,583
and also Kashmir.

681
00:43:31,583 --> 00:43:35,416
In fact, since the Cranmer was
this Cromwell lineage was

682
00:43:37,375 --> 00:43:38,708
transmitted into Kashmir,

683
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:43,250
the from and the 19th

684
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:46,666
also shared this peculiar,

685
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,666
setting for the revelation
of the teachings.

686
00:43:51,291 --> 00:43:54,500
So you may recall that
the initial revelation of the Cromwell

687
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:58,125
was made in the Caribbean,
a cremation ground in Oceana.

688
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:04,833
And there in one description,

689
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:08,000
the yogini Mangala,

690
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,541
who constitutes the current of said
as she was surrounded by 64 yogini

691
00:44:13,083 --> 00:44:14,333
and she is worshiped

692
00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:18,166
and entreated by by her of 
to reveal the teachings of the Cranmer.

693
00:44:18,166 --> 00:44:23,750
So it's this, kind of, cremation ground
setting with the main goddess

694
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:28,375
is surrounded by these, fierce yogis
and by her voice,

695
00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:31,583
entreating her.

696
00:44:32,791 --> 00:44:35,458
And this is also
the site of the revelation.

697
00:44:35,458 --> 00:44:38,541
This is the setting for the revelation
of the teachings among other then

698
00:44:38,541 --> 00:44:45,666
begins to teach the Cranmer, to again
and in the Kashmiri tradition

699
00:44:46,708 --> 00:44:49,708
and then transmitted from there onwards.

700
00:44:49,708 --> 00:44:52,958
And similarly, each of the transmissions
that takes place in the

701
00:44:52,958 --> 00:44:56,750
the parallel transmission
of the symbols of the Vijaya, others

702
00:44:56,750 --> 00:45:00,291
in doctrine, takes place
in the fantastical cremation ground

703
00:45:01,083 --> 00:45:04,708
where the teacher resides,
surrounded by throngs of guineas.

704
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:08,291
And here again, these are the equivalents

705
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:11,833
in Tantric Buddhism of the yogis
in tantric chauvinism.

706
00:45:11,833 --> 00:45:15,458
The yoga is that, 
we're, surrounding mandala.

707
00:45:16,583 --> 00:45:21,500
The descriptions of this setting
is given in, the Croma on the one hand,

708
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:22,541
and in the great history of the

709
00:45:22,541 --> 00:45:25,583
Ninja on the other,
are strikingly resonant with one another.

710
00:45:26,666 --> 00:45:30,625
And incidentally,
the end of by rivers in treaty

711
00:45:31,791 --> 00:45:34,583
in, the grammar text.

712
00:45:34,583 --> 00:45:37,416
Actually,
I can't remember which one it was.

713
00:45:37,416 --> 00:45:40,375
I think it may have been the
Caligula Punch.

714
00:45:40,375 --> 00:45:40,833
I think that,

715
00:45:41,958 --> 00:45:44,291
in any case, buyer of,

716
00:45:44,291 --> 00:45:48,416
by way of,

717
00:45:48,625 --> 00:45:52,250
describing the, 
as the approach of the Cromwell teachings,

718
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:56,875
he entreated, among other,
to teach them and this, description

719
00:45:56,875 --> 00:46:00,500
that he gives of the common teachings
will be very familiar to those of us,

720
00:46:01,083 --> 00:46:04,250
familiar with Dogen that is,

721
00:46:05,333 --> 00:46:07,625
emphasizing the,

722
00:46:07,625 --> 00:46:10,625
transcendence of ritual, the,

723
00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:15,416
and, other,

724
00:46:15,416 --> 00:46:18,583
aspects of practice
that are seen as kind of,

725
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:24,458
I guess you would say the conventional
and Buddhism, or,

726
00:46:25,625 --> 00:46:27,291
not pertaining to reality. Right.

727
00:46:27,291 --> 00:46:31,166
So what the Bible says
is this make plain ocean grief.

728
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:36,416
Speaking to Mangala, make plain what
remains hidden in the heart of the yogis,

729
00:46:37,333 --> 00:46:41,250
the practice that is free of restriction
by lunar day and auspicious hour,

730
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:45,666
that is without specified place or time,
free of the conventions of sacred sites,

731
00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:50,000
without an address or mantras,
without the colored powders

732
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,291
of the initiation mandala
and all other paraphernalia of ritual,

733
00:46:54,541 --> 00:46:58,291
without the fire sacrifice
and oblations of unhurt grains and sesame

734
00:46:58,291 --> 00:47:01,791
seeds, the summoning of the deities
and other ritual forms.

735
00:47:01,791 --> 00:47:06,958
The post initiatory ascetic observance,
and other ancillary practices,

736
00:47:06,958 --> 00:47:10,083
and above all, three of the exhalations,
inhalations

737
00:47:10,083 --> 00:47:13,208
and retentions of breath
restraint, the pranayama.

738
00:47:14,958 --> 00:47:16,083
So, incidentally, in

739
00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:20,083
this setting, which is quite parallel
to the setting of the transmissions

740
00:47:20,083 --> 00:47:23,125
observing Indic by Rose

741
00:47:23,125 --> 00:47:26,375
candle highlighting this, the

742
00:47:28,291 --> 00:47:31,291
This approach of the Cremo,
which is also a Paradise of gentlemen

743
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:36,833
also as instruction, where the emphasis
is on recognizing the body

744
00:47:36,958 --> 00:47:41,250
at the same in the early, stratum

745
00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:45,833
or the, in the enigmatic, and

746
00:47:47,083 --> 00:47:50,583
simply that is all this is needed,
you know, is the kind of approach.

747
00:47:50,583 --> 00:47:53,000
This is also the approach of the crema.

748
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000
It's simply to recognize the,

749
00:47:56,625 --> 00:47:58,791
consciousness,

750
00:47:58,791 --> 00:48:01,500
which has always been your own nature
and the nature of everything

751
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:04,500
and don't need any rituals and so on.

752
00:48:07,833 --> 00:48:08,625
So to conclude,

753
00:48:08,625 --> 00:48:13,416
I believe that a tantric shave
ism of the non-dual variety of some kind

754
00:48:13,416 --> 00:48:17,250
exerted a direct influence
on the central Tibetan communities

755
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:21,500
that develop the associated Indic,
and also on

756
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:27,666
the stratum of association
that immediately preceded the take,

757
00:48:29,041 --> 00:48:32,000
in the 11th and 12th centuries.

758
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,291
The parallel of the tripartite lineage
scheme is to close and to unique.

759
00:48:36,291 --> 00:48:37,375
To be a coincidence.

760
00:48:37,375 --> 00:48:42,000
I don't, not aware of this doctrine
anywhere else besides these,

761
00:48:42,708 --> 00:48:45,333
four traditions.

762
00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:47,291
And this influence must have occurred

763
00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:52,166
in India and maybe in Kashmir,
where many Tibetans

764
00:48:52,166 --> 00:48:55,333
were traveling at the time
in search of Buddhist lineages.

765
00:48:56,750 --> 00:49:00,000
And the context for the transmission
would probably have been,

766
00:49:00,083 --> 00:49:03,291
closer to the ground context among,

767
00:49:03,916 --> 00:49:08,125
yogis who were not, necessarily involved

768
00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:11,125
with the big institutions like monasteries
and so on.

769
00:49:12,208 --> 00:49:14,166
Where the,

770
00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:16,458
where the sectarian lines
get very blurred.

771
00:49:16,458 --> 00:49:16,708
Right?

772
00:49:16,708 --> 00:49:18,750
So there could be a shape

773
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:21,416
and some shape of the yogis
who are also kind of Buddhist.

774
00:49:21,416 --> 00:49:22,666
Right.

775
00:49:22,666 --> 00:49:26,166
Something like that, I would guess. So,

776
00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:29,458
and the parallel is over discussed here.

777
00:49:29,458 --> 00:49:33,416
Only one component of a larger argument
for this influence

778
00:49:33,416 --> 00:49:36,416
from shape is a association.

779
00:49:37,125 --> 00:49:40,333
And that argument consists
of other doctrinal parallels

780
00:49:40,333 --> 00:49:44,875
as well as parallels in yogic practice,
which I discussed in my dissertation,

781
00:49:45,625 --> 00:49:48,625
that you can find in academia.edu page

782
00:49:49,291 --> 00:49:52,291
if you're interested.

783
00:49:53,208 --> 00:49:55,791
So yes, that's it.

784
00:49:55,791 --> 00:50:00,291
Thank you, everyone, for
your interest and for coming.