1 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:11,270 Hi, everybody. Welcome to the first probe cast of 2023. 2 00:00:11,570 --> 00:00:15,650 I hope everyone has had a good Christmas break. 3 00:00:15,830 --> 00:00:23,500 By popular request, I'm continuing to interview key people around college, 4 00:00:23,510 --> 00:00:33,620 and today I'm interviewing Alyson Leslie, who is an important part of our really strong gardening and grains team. 5 00:00:33,890 --> 00:00:38,690 Alison is particularly here to talk about something we're all interested in. 6 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,200 Worcester, Worcester Wildlife. Yes. 7 00:00:42,260 --> 00:00:45,800 You've made that a very particular interest in my life. 8 00:00:45,950 --> 00:00:49,610 Yes. Yes. Alison, you've been with the college for how long? 9 00:00:49,820 --> 00:00:56,120 16 and a half years. I joined in 2006, October 2006. 10 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:59,210 You were Murton before that? Yes. 11 00:00:59,270 --> 00:01:03,540 And before you were at Merton, you had a life in commercial says. 12 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:12,890 Yes. I started from school in retail banking and then moved into the business and commercial centre in Marlow. 13 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:20,900 I did also do a full five year stint at Lloyds Bank in Halifax, in Oxford as the senior cashier. 14 00:01:21,230 --> 00:01:26,270 So I left in 2003 without a job. 15 00:01:26,540 --> 00:01:32,750 I knew that I wanted to change and I wanted my hobby, which was gardening, to become my career. 16 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:40,400 I had gone part time and gone to Berkshire College of Agriculture doing the general certificate in horticulture. 17 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:46,430 And then it still took a year to pluck up the courage to leave what I'd known since I left school. 18 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:50,570 Like I said, March 2003, I left with no job. 19 00:01:50,970 --> 00:01:59,960 Well, I don't know whether that was a foolish thing to do, but very grateful that months in college gave me my first job in horticulture. 20 00:02:00,170 --> 00:02:05,090 But as soon as I'd seen was to college, I knew that's where I wanted to garden. 21 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:10,820 You walked through the cloisters? Yeah. And you see the front quadrangle, and it's just. 22 00:02:11,060 --> 00:02:14,540 It's just. It just grounds you, really. So that's where I was. 23 00:02:14,870 --> 00:02:19,850 And I think I know the answer to this. But you don't regret having left the financial sector? 24 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,580 No, no, no. Not at all. No. 25 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:29,630 It was the right time for me to leave. Great. Great. Well, I'm glad you made the decision to approach Worcester. 26 00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:37,400 I think we're the beneficiary of your real expertise, along with all the other great guys in the gardening team. 27 00:02:37,610 --> 00:02:42,589 Just by way of context, because what I've discovered from doing these, of course, 28 00:02:42,590 --> 00:02:47,600 is that there are lots of new students who find out about the college this way. 29 00:02:47,870 --> 00:02:56,660 We've got lots of members of staff who are obviously focussed on their own things and are always very pleased to find out more about the college, 30 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,420 its history, but also people who do things here, but also lots of old members who are listening as well. 31 00:03:02,780 --> 00:03:09,200 So to bring us right up to date, how big is garden and grounds team? 32 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:16,100 We have eight members of staff varying in years of experience from Kalam, 33 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:26,390 who is youngest member with 10 to 12 years experience, I think to Adrian Nash, who's been over 40 years. 34 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,530 Once we're here, we don't go. 35 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,089 We just stay. Well, I'm sure on behalf of everybody listening, 36 00:03:35,090 --> 00:03:45,620 we're hugely proud of the garden and grounds here at Worcester and hugely appreciative to all of you for the wonderful job that you all do, 37 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:52,970 how wonderful it is to be in this beautiful college, but also a college that has such amazing gardens and grounds. 38 00:03:53,090 --> 00:03:56,830 That's nice to hear. Thank you. Your particular focus, obviously. 39 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:08,090 I know you're a nice gardener. You do? I can see you out of the lodgings windows doing, you know, lots of pruning and lots of gardening maintenance. 40 00:04:08,090 --> 00:04:18,380 But I also look out and I see you, particularly in the summer, looking at the wildlife with my head and looking up, looking at the sky. 41 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:23,840 But also I know because I've watched you, you know, looking in great detail at the ground. 42 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:34,400 Yes. So tell us, you know, what was it that made you engage, particularly with wildlife at Worcester back in November 2013? 43 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:43,310 I discovered a hole with quite a lot of soil that had been excavated, so I bought myself a camera and brought it in and set it up. 44 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:53,870 And to migrate excitement. I'm not sure about the head of Common Ground when a black and white striped head coaches head out of the hole. 45 00:04:54,050 --> 00:05:00,709 And that then led to me filming the life of that badger for the next six years. 46 00:05:00,710 --> 00:05:03,710 Quite an elderly badger. A one eyed badger. 47 00:05:03,750 --> 00:05:08,470 Right. We could see. On the camera with that one, I was glowing and the other one wasn't. 48 00:05:08,490 --> 00:05:17,010 So we always knew that it was the same budget and it just let me down to the world of trail cameras. 49 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:22,740 At one point, we five had around six cameras around the college filming the badges, 50 00:05:22,740 --> 00:05:34,840 like the pair of deer that turned up in 2018, watching them chasing each other at the bottom of the garden, watching the foxes. 51 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:41,909 We have we've had a breeding pair of foxes here for quite some time in the long grass in the Prophet's Meadow, 52 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:47,930 watching them learn to hunt and just following various wildlife. 53 00:05:47,940 --> 00:05:53,790 It's knowing the signs. It's taught me to to look further than it's so. 54 00:05:53,790 --> 00:05:59,069 It's to look beyond what's right in front of me. It's looking for small signs. 55 00:05:59,070 --> 00:06:06,479 Even small signs like otters spring that you suddenly notice on the edge of the lake and you think, 56 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:12,299 Well, there's got to be an otter coming in somewhere. So you've learned to look really carefully. 57 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:19,800 Yes. And presumably slowly. Yes. What the rest of us, when we're walking around to look at, tend to ignore. 58 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,910 Yes. And listen as well. It's also listening. 59 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:32,790 I always say that most of us will just look, but you need to listen and look up as well instead of looking forwards. 60 00:06:33,180 --> 00:06:42,980 You know, if you look in the middle of my fist to the 11th of May, listen to the little screeching that suddenly start happening in the sky above us. 61 00:06:42,990 --> 00:06:49,350 The Swifts have come back to Oxford and to me that summer, starting if you listen in March, 62 00:06:49,380 --> 00:06:55,140 the middle of March, the little chief, chief, chief song will suddenly start. 63 00:06:55,350 --> 00:07:01,170 That's the sign of spring for me, that if you're not listening, you won't know that that it's there. 64 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:07,230 It was. Simon bought me a book for Christmas one year called Bird Watching with Your Eyes Closed. 65 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:15,360 If you learn a song, two or three songs a Week of the Birds like the Kingfisher, you'll hear it first. 66 00:07:16,050 --> 00:07:19,650 But if you don't know what it sounds like, you won't look for it. 67 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:28,920 But if you suddenly hear and know the kingfisher sound as you walk past the lake, look low and you'll see it flash across the bottom. 68 00:07:29,070 --> 00:07:33,420 Very, very low. Right low over the night before you see it. 69 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:40,710 So you've learnt all this by looking, listening and being interested? 70 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,060 Yes. And the rest of us can actually do the same. 71 00:07:44,090 --> 00:07:54,660 So, yes, very, very simple. I say just then a few bird songs and all of a sudden you'll just hear the whole unfolding of the world will open up, 72 00:07:54,780 --> 00:07:57,780 close your eyes and you'll hear a missile. 73 00:07:57,780 --> 00:08:05,790 THRUSH The song. THRUSH The Jay, the Kingfisher, the great Spotted Woodpecker will be singing at the top of the tree. 74 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:14,310 If you learn that Nuthatch sound. For me, it sounds like if you've left tackle with a slight drip, you'll hear a little drip drip. 75 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:20,970 If you learn it just you'll spot so much more than you would normally you would not see. 76 00:08:21,070 --> 00:08:29,280 No, no, you're absolutely right. And at a time when we're all being encouraged to be mindful, this is a fantastic way of stopping. 77 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:38,430 It's great for using hands and it's for my mental health as well to just take a few minutes and listen. 78 00:08:38,910 --> 00:08:44,160 So I hope everybody walks around the lake on a regular basis and I know most of us do that. 79 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:51,270 Just take Alison's advice and slow down and close your eyes and listen. 80 00:08:52,170 --> 00:08:55,709 Now, it does sound like there are lots of different species of birds. 81 00:08:55,710 --> 00:09:00,930 You've already namechecked a few. How many? I know you've done a bit of an audit, haven't you, Alison? 82 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:05,370 Andy, how many? I've now recorded 65. 83 00:09:05,610 --> 00:09:15,090 Well, not all of them. I hear all the time. The latest one that we had was a mandarin duck that was spotted on the lake back in October. 84 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:20,160 Even a little secret was first seen in February last year. 85 00:09:20,730 --> 00:09:25,650 I only record them as of being in the college if they land. 86 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:32,800 So for years I've been waiting for the red kite to land so I can take it on my list. 87 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:36,120 So the Red Planet has landed. It did land. 88 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,409 They started building a nest in one of the trees in 2021. 89 00:09:40,410 --> 00:09:44,580 They abandoned it, but they did start it. So that is a tick. 90 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:51,149 And I know you've made a particular study of the swans. We're all sad when the swans leave us. 91 00:09:51,150 --> 00:09:55,830 And then that's when they come back. Yeah. You've been looking at them for how many years? 92 00:09:55,980 --> 00:10:00,420 Since 2012. They first started building their nest here. 93 00:10:00,930 --> 00:10:04,290 For five years. They would lay their eggs. 94 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:11,790 And everybody, people waiting 42 days for when the last one was night and nothing ever happened. 95 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:15,410 And it was why? Why is there nothing happening? And it didn't last. 96 00:10:15,420 --> 00:10:24,120 It'll never happen. Right. And it wasn't until one of the swans got ill and we had to call Tiggy when goes out to collect it. 97 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:28,980 And we found out that they were two females. 98 00:10:29,090 --> 00:10:32,969 Oh, right. Yes. And we were never going to get any. 99 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:37,740 It was how they went through the laying, the incubating, but no hatching. 100 00:10:38,010 --> 00:10:46,860 And it wasn't until that one female died, but another swan turned up, paired with the one that was left. 101 00:10:47,070 --> 00:10:50,850 And the following year, x rays and hatching. 102 00:10:51,060 --> 00:10:54,510 Right. And we've been having hatching eggs ever since. 103 00:10:54,810 --> 00:11:03,389 Now they're hatching. We're obviously contributing to the swan population in and around Port Meadow and the canal and so forth. 104 00:11:03,390 --> 00:11:07,120 But sometimes they don't all survive through those now. 105 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:11,250 But 2021 was a bit of a disastrous year. 106 00:11:11,490 --> 00:11:14,460 They made their nest right next to the Sainsbury platform. 107 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:26,520 We had a pair of foxes, had five cubs that year under the tea shed of the Gardens and Grounds team, which was wonderful to watch. 108 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:33,150 Mum would come out, cool out the Cubs and they'd be quite happy to suckle Mum right in front of the garden. 109 00:11:33,930 --> 00:11:38,250 It was wonderful to see. But with that you have five hungry cups. 110 00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:45,810 And just as the swans eggs were hatching, the foxes raided the nest. 111 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:52,230 So last year, the male swans started building that nest back up again. 112 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:57,149 And the female didn't want anything to do with it and did not want to go near that nest. 113 00:11:57,150 --> 00:12:04,610 So after it finished that nest he built to another one, which she was, which is a bit further round. 114 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:10,340 And last year three had hatched and between days ten and 16, 115 00:12:10,350 --> 00:12:18,540 she always takes them off the lake and marches them off to the canal and we don't see them again. 116 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:23,460 Occasionally we might get one visit to see this never come back. 117 00:12:23,790 --> 00:12:31,110 We do have an odd one or two single birds that come back and I like to think that it might be one of the segments have come back. 118 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:36,390 The male swan won't have anything to do with it. Chases them off or it's his like, yeah, yeah. 119 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:45,120 But they mum and dad will take their cygnets away rhythm on the canal, the river, and then they will come back. 120 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,780 Mum and Dad will come back usually around December time. 121 00:12:48,820 --> 00:12:54,330 Yep. And then the whole process starts again. How long do the swans live? 122 00:12:54,630 --> 00:13:03,630 I believe they're quite well fed. Think it's between 15 years, maybe slightly more, if it is the same female. 123 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:08,250 She's had three partners. The first one was the female son that died. 124 00:13:08,670 --> 00:13:17,370 The second one we called Chris because he crash landed outside the front of the college and he went off with her with the cygnets. 125 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:21,030 But he never came back and that's all we've got. Yeah, she don't Chris. 126 00:13:22,110 --> 00:13:25,230 And now we've got Graham recruiting. 127 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,729 I don't know whether it's after one of the gardeners or we just called him Graham Swan after 128 00:13:29,730 --> 00:13:34,840 the cricketer and we know it's him because [INAUDIBLE] hiss at you and you are near him. 129 00:13:34,860 --> 00:13:39,630 So we think she's if it's the same female, she's on her third partner. 130 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:49,140 Good for her. A big theme, particularly from students, but also staff and fellows, is about how we make Worcester much more sustainable. 131 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:57,300 How do you think we could make everything we do, you know, more sustainable, particularly in relation to wildlife? 132 00:13:57,510 --> 00:14:01,290 We have started to create more wildlife. 133 00:14:01,290 --> 00:14:04,530 Meadows So we've reduced areas of mowing. 134 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:08,970 We do take part in the plant life. 135 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:11,250 No, mow my campaign. 136 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:22,380 So the orchard it's it's mowed in around September, October time but it won't be mowed this year again until September, October time. 137 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,980 And that's been going on probably before I came. 138 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:33,540 So it doesn't have any fertiliser put on it and it's just left to its own devices. 139 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:38,040 And that means that we have all sorts of we have lots of flies. 140 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:43,500 Yes. Butterflies, moths. You can go and stand in there this last summer. 141 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,660 You could stand in that orchard. And if you close your eyes, you'll hear the crickets. 142 00:14:48,660 --> 00:14:52,680 And I can find that quite soothing, actually, listening to the crickets. 143 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:56,760 You were also showing me some quite rare orchids. 144 00:14:57,270 --> 00:15:01,650 Yeah, so? So in the old secret shipments. Isn't this in the orchards? 145 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:04,900 Last year we had ten pyramid. Little kids. 146 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:08,800 And the year before that was seven. And before that, none. 147 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,310 So where it's not being mowed and not being enriched. 148 00:15:12,610 --> 00:15:16,130 Gradually the wildflowers are coming back and the profits. 149 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:24,400 Top of your garden is now an area of long grass and that hasn't been going quite as long. 150 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:29,410 But bee orchids last year suddenly appeared. 151 00:15:29,540 --> 00:15:38,950 The weather, they've come in on some mowing lawns that we've brought in from outside that have orchid seeds or they've just lay dormant there. 152 00:15:39,190 --> 00:15:46,660 But now we're leaving it long though, of come with your bees at the bottom of the gods to talk about the bees. 153 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,499 Obviously that's a more artificial arrival process than what you were talking about, 154 00:15:53,500 --> 00:16:01,450 but I was really keen to bring the bees and I couldn't quite believe it was they had never really had bees in the past. 155 00:16:01,630 --> 00:16:06,430 And they have flourished, of course. Have they been a good addition to what they have? 156 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:17,050 Because if you walk along the main border by the Nuffield lawn and you walk past the catchment, the Peter, it's covered in honey bees. 157 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,450 They love your honey bees. I think you've found that. Yeah. And that's what they're feeding on. 158 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:34,510 Yeah. Yeah. So much. We planted Daffodil called Minnow towards your bees because they're quite an early flowering, high necked daffodil. 159 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,470 So it's, it's encouraging us to plant. Okay. 160 00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:42,320 Plant is good for you doing that for the bees. Good growth. 161 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:47,230 So when we're looking for certain plants now, is this good for bees? 162 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:52,390 So yeah, it's always kind of been not just for the honeybees, the bumblebees. 163 00:16:52,450 --> 00:16:57,010 Yeah. And for the solitary bees that we've got going around the. 164 00:16:57,210 --> 00:17:06,400 I do have some sad news about my bees because we check them at the weekend and the very cold spell and then the warm spell. 165 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,990 And now this very, very cold spell means that two of our colonies have died. 166 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:17,170 So we know it's also the weather, the love them, and so it's time to wake up. 167 00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:25,210 So when we checked at the weekend to one, certainly our strongest looks like it didn't survive. 168 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,170 And the other one we couldn't quite tell, but we probably lost two colonies. 169 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:41,139 So we're going to have to start with some new colonies in May when things warm up, but rest assured that we will do our best to bring in new colonies. 170 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:50,530 But we were all rather devastated that we lost too. Well, I saw I saw our first queen bumble bee out yesterday feeding on the Monia. 171 00:17:50,650 --> 00:17:54,040 Right. So she's obviously come out for a bit of a feed. 172 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:56,830 You just hope when she goes back into her burrow again. 173 00:17:57,190 --> 00:18:06,160 So there are lots of great things that we're doing not only to introduce more wildlife into Worcester, but also, 174 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:13,990 you know, to encourage the wildlife that sheds and flourish and plants that have been lying dormant to to flourish. 175 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:21,010 Is there anything else that you'd love to do? Well, we're creating dead hedges at the moment. 176 00:18:21,010 --> 00:18:26,260 We put steaks and we fill up between the two states. 177 00:18:26,260 --> 00:18:30,940 We've got a row, two rows, and then we just fill it full of beef. 178 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:35,860 We've had a big storm. We've collected all the wood debris off the the lawns. 179 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:43,179 We fill it full of that apple tree cuttings, any woody material, anything that we can't put through our chipper. 180 00:18:43,180 --> 00:18:50,970 So a lot of the wisteria we've got eight or nine wisteria around the college, you know, is too twisty to go through our chipper. 181 00:18:50,980 --> 00:18:58,060 It's all filled in these hedges, so it's full of dead material which provide shelter during the winter. 182 00:18:58,780 --> 00:19:06,070 We've now got two hedges set up around the college with plans to do another two or three around the college. 183 00:19:06,190 --> 00:19:15,700 And it's just with a saying early, within 20 minutes of us finishing that first one, a wren and a robin were already going in and out of the dead. 184 00:19:15,730 --> 00:19:22,900 HEDGES Now, over time, the insect population and the little microorganisms will be in there, 185 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:28,510 and it's just going to provide shelter and more food for wildlife, particularly the birds. 186 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,100 Great, great. And just for people who are interested to go and look, 187 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:40,089 I know one that hedges behind the tennis court is another one is another one over by 188 00:19:40,090 --> 00:19:47,200 that near the limbrick pass memory go towards our tool sheds by our compost heaps. 189 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:55,450 There's another very short one, but it's already packed the baskets that we the plants support baskets that we make. 190 00:19:55,540 --> 00:20:03,690 You will see us creating in April time, which is from the silver birch trees that we got at Coppice from the heart. 191 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,800 Go Arboretum. They're only good for one season, so one summer. 192 00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:17,860 So when we clear the big flower border and cut it down, all of those silver birch baskets are pulled out and they would have gone through the chipper. 193 00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:25,680 They've now been broken up and put into the dead hatch. So they've gone from the Harker Arboretum to our dead hatch. 194 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,230 So they're being supported by the herbaceous border. 195 00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:36,430 Right. Now, listen, you've made the decision recently to cut down your number of days. 196 00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:45,730 Yeah. So sadly, we're getting less of you in college, but hopefully we're going to be getting an apprentice to make up your absence. 197 00:20:46,150 --> 00:20:52,479 But you're doing something very exciting, which really just expands on your commitment to wildlife and wildlife adventure. 198 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,219 Tell us what you're doing. Well, I'm since the beginning of December last year, 199 00:20:57,220 --> 00:21:08,590 I now go every Friday to help out as a volunteer at the Tiggy Winkles Wildlife Rescue Centre, which is quite close to where I live. 200 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:18,220 Yeah, and it's all down to that black and white nose that came out of that hole back in 2013. 201 00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:23,320 That just started me on this Road to Journey Wildlife. 202 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,130 And Tiggy Winkles, from what you were saying in your on, isn't just hedgehogs. 203 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,300 No, no, it's British Wildlife. Yeah, it's always different. 204 00:21:31,660 --> 00:21:34,720 Great. Well, Alison, thank you so much for joining us today. 205 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:44,370 Thank you. As I said right at the start, for everything you and the team do to look after, but also to generate, 206 00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:52,360 you know, the wonderful new initiatives that are parts of long term gardening and make Worcester so special. 207 00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:56,919 We really appreciate everything that you do, but I think today's conversation, 208 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:02,559 it gives us an insight into some of the less obvious and visible things. 209 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:14,680 And certainly the lesson having talked to you today for me is to slow down, look more carefully, but most importantly, listen, listen, listen. 210 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,060 Thank you. Thank you to all of you who've been listening in. 211 00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:22,120 I'm going to be interviewing the Dean team next week. 212 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:29,770 So I look forward to meeting up with them to find out what they do in relation to welfare support in college. 213 00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:33,250 Please do listen to future broadcasts. 214 00:22:33,670 --> 00:22:42,400 Give me any feedback in relation to anything we've covered or anything you'd like me to cover, particularly who you'd like me to interview. 215 00:22:42,850 --> 00:22:44,980 Alison, thank you. Thank you very much. And keep.